ID rifle request

[Rumcajs]

please ID the first one of Nigerian soldier or killer or something of. Some FN?
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2897/nigeriaeu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[flanker7]

L-1 with a 30rds L-4(7,62 Bren) magazine (hope it's correct)

[digrar]

Looks like an L1A1 to me. Or a FN FAL, C1, G1, 1A SLR, depending on which country you come from.

[Pook2]

It has 2 magazines taped together, not a 30rd magazine, and that's pretty ****ing obvious.

[gaijinsamurai]

It's an L1A1. The British inch-pattern equivilant to the FN FAL.

[flanker7]

It has 2 magazines taped together, not a 30rd magazine, and that's pretty ****ing obvious.


:roll: I can see that, but it looks to me that the second mag is behind as we see the photo(to the left of the gun) and that the forward one, the one inserted into the weapon, is very long and looks like the 30rds. Could be wrong though......

[Jk=SWE=]

L1A1. And it´s rusty too. :roll:

What are the men? They look like pirates!

[Rumcajs]

thanx a lot

it´s funny mixture L1A1, UK vz.59, AK, it looks like some have vests with Czech army pattern, the others with Russian? :)

I don´t know who they are. just info that the photo is from Nigeria

[Hydro]

:roll: I can see that, but it looks to me that the second mag is behind as we see the photo(to the left of the gun) and that the forward one, the one inserted into the weapon, is very long and looks like the 30rds. Could be wrong though......



No, it's two 20's taped. The L4 30 rounder has a slight curve to it, and would be obvious.

[Bert]

thanx a lot

it´s funny mixture L1A1, UK vz.59, AK, it looks like some have vests with Czech army pattern, the others with Russian? :)

I don´t know who they are. just info that the photo is from Nigeria

If they're from Nigeria and in river boats, they're probably those Impervious Emancipators of the World-guys. (funny name, can't remember it)

[SAWGunner89]

It could be any FAL copy, it does not have to be an L-1. In fact, it is probably not an L-1 at all. It looks to br a standard Fabrique Nationale FN-FAL 50.00, or possibly the 50.64. It might even be the South African R-1 or R-2.

[SAWGunner89]

P.S. The light machine gun in the back is a Czech vz/52 or M59, not a Bren, although the Bren was itself based on a Czech light machine gun.

[Rumcajs]

P.S. The light machine gun in the back is a Czech vz/52 or M59, not a Bren, although the Bren was itself based on a Czech light machine gun.

It´s UK vz.59 and they have vest with current Czech Army pattern and I don´t understand where they got the vests, I guess it´s not Czech Army vest but only pattern, and the vz.59 must be robbed, I don´t know about vz.59 export... Brent is versin of ZB vz.26 developed in Zbrojovka Brno (both - vz.26 and Bren as well) and produced in GB

[Hydro]

It could be any FAL copy, it does not have to be an L-1. In fact, it is probably not an L-1 at all. It looks to br a standard Fabrique Nationale FN-FAL 50.00, or possibly the 50.64. It might even be the South African R-1 or R-2.


It's an L1A1 (or variant thereof) - 2, rather than 3, cuts in the handguards, and the long flash hider. A lot of L1A1 SLR's were practically given away to African nations.

[gregb]

Those guys have any training ? or just a bunch of rag taggers ? I did notice the fingers were off the triggers.

[devil99]

Most likly the FN FAL or one of it's variants.

[He219]

Those guys have any training ? or just a bunch of rag taggers ? I did notice the fingers were off the triggers.
From Feb. 24th, 2006 (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1497683#post1497683):
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Slightly armed militants wearing body-armor, black masks, military fatigues and carrying assault rifles, general purpose machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers patrol the creeks of the Niger Delta area of Nigeria, Friday, Feb. 24, 2006. Armed militants holding nine foreign oil workers hostage in Nigeria showed one of them to reporters for the first time Friday, a 68-year-old American who said he and his colleagues were being treated well. Three Americans, two Egyptians, two Thais, one Briton and one Filipino have been missing since they were kidnapped Feb. 18 by militants who stormed a barge belonging to a U.S. oil company in the Niger Delta's Forcados estuary. The kidnappers are demanding that people in the country's south receive a greater share of their region's oil wealth. (AP Photo/George Osodi)
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58-year-old Macon Hawkins from Kosciusko Texas, held hostage and surrounded by militants, speaks to journalists in the Niger Delta area Friday, Feb. 24, 2006. Armed militants holding nine foreign oil workers hostage in Nigeria showed one of them to reporters for the first time Friday, a 68-year-old American who said he and his colleagues were being treated well. Three Americans, two Egyptians, two Thais, one Briton and one Filipino have been missing since they were kidnapped Feb. 18 by militants who stormed a barge belonging to a U.S. oil company in the Niger Delta's Forcados estuary. The kidnappers are demanding that people in the country's south receive a greater share of their region's oil wealth. (AP Photo/George Osodi)
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This photograph released by militants in the Niger Delta Friday Feb. 24, 2006 show the militants patrol the river on a boat. The militants released photos showing what appears to be seven of the nine foreign oil workers kidnapped last week in the country's troubled delta region. The photos, sent in an e-mail to reporters, showed seven unidentified men standing with a dozen gunmen wearing black masks and camouflage hats behind them, holding an array of arms pointed in the air. (AP Photo)
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This photograph released by militants in the Niger Delta Thursday Feb. 23, 2006 show what appears to be seven of the nine foreign oil workers kidnapped last week in the country's troubled delta region. The photos, sent in an e-mail to reporters, showed seven unidentified men sitting on a bench with a dozen gunmen wearing black masks and camouflage hats behind them, holding an array of arms pointed in the air. (AP Photo)

[Rumcajs]

ohh thanx for photos!!!
I forgot about Czech president and businessmen visit in Nigeria last week, so the Czech Army equipment and Uk vz.59 export is not unpossible, the Czech export this year to Nigeria was about 75 milion dolars, last year 73 milion dolars, so they can be really legal fighters - soldiers....

[gaijinsamurai]

SAWgunner89: I suggest you do a little research BEFORE you post.

[Young-kiwi]

It's an L1A1 (or variant thereof) - 2, rather than 3, cuts in the handguards, and the long flash hider. A lot of L1A1 SLR's were practically given away to African nations.


Plus it's got Bolt carrier sand cuts, the Folding rear sight is commonweath, the gas selection, plus Large tab on the front of the magazines, etc.

To skirt the topic a bit, I see the guys with the AK's have cable tied 3 magazines together to to get the full effect. :roll:

[SAWGunner89]

I have only seen L-1 with wooden furniture. Glad they eventually moved on to synthetic. It wasn't a light rifle by today's standards, and that wood could not have helped.

Did the Israelis ever have synthetics on their FALs, or did they always have that wood furniture? Anyone know.

That doesn't have to be an FN-MAG, since they have L-1s, it could also be an L-7.

Gaijunsamurai, I do know a fair amount about small arms, however, it is impossible for anybody to know everything, and that includes you, so take it easy okay.

[gaijinsamurai]

Okay, i'll take it easy (kind of difficult right now-I've got a hangover and my wife's being a bitch), but it IS an L1A1.
The guy who started the thread asked a question, the answer was provided, and because of your obvious ignorance on the issue (L1A1s have had plastic furniture since the early 1970's at least-all you have to do is check out a few photos of Brit troops in Northern Ireland or the Falklands to see for yourself), the issue was confused.
The rifle is obviously an L1A1, as anybody with any experience or knowledge of the wepaon and other FAL variants can see. I know because I've had one for over ten years.
Sorry if I'm being a **** about it. I'll try to take it easy. Even with the hangover.

[SAWGunner89]

Sorry you failed, you are still being a **** about it. I think you could have phrased your comments a little differently and it wouldn't make you sound like such an as*hole. FAL's are not my speciaility, ask me practically any other question about firearms and I can tell you it. I can identify the nationality of most military issue AKs with some examination of a photo (that is just one strength). I am not so strong with FALs and their derivatives. Just as you have 10 years experience with the FAL, I have experience with many other weapons.

Just because someone has knowledge in a different area then you does not make them ignorant. Would you call a mathmatician ignorant just because he did not know what derivative of FAL it was. I doubt it.

One reason I don't visit militaryphotos.net's forums so often in my fairly long time here is because of the confrontational nature of many of its users. You have only compounded that gaijun. (It is a shame too, it looks like a fine forum with many interesting topics.)

[zvezdah]

It's an L1A1. The British inch-pattern equivilant to the FN FAL.

Yep L1A1,
Note the taped mag you can see the mag housing lock lug on the front of the mag. On the L1A1 and C1 for that matter has a big lock lug whereas on the FNs they have a small dimple type lug stamped out of the mag housing

[lankan_tiger]

a bullet proof vest with no shirt ???

i guess they r pro's

[Young-kiwi]

I have only seen L-1 with wooden furniture. Glad they eventually moved on to synthetic. It wasn't a light rifle by today's standards, and that wood could not have helped.


I wondered about this..... What is the weight of an SLR
So a quick trip the the bathroom scales..... and this is what I got
(the scales have proved fairly accurate in the past for people, not so sure about little weights like a rifle)

1x Lithgow L1A1 SLR, 1x Trilux, 1x Loaded 20 round magazine

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If (a big if) a convert correctly that's 12.6 lbs. - Not a light weight

[gafkiwi]

Yeah, she ain't light, but the weapon is very well balanced. I just got a suppressor thrown on my SLR and already have a bushnell 3-9x and bipod but I still find it better balanced than a AUG/IW Steyr.

Mind you I don't put 20rd mags on it because that would be "illegal" on an Acat firearms licence.

NZ army never really got into the plastic furniture and majority of the weapons retained there wood until they were phased out in the late 80s.
Like zvezdah said the mags had the little lug or "bump" on the top similar to the ones found on AK mags, a sign of a commonwealth (inch pattern) SLR, Good to know just in case you try to put an inch mag on a metric FN the lug will not allow the magizine to fit in the mag housing of the rifle.

[gafkiwi]

Having just checked upon a few things, Lithgow Small arms Factory (now ADI) in Australia produced SLRs for the following nations Ghana, Uganda, Rhodesia, Zambia, Kenya, Gambia and Nigeria to name a few, These were supplied from the factory new and not war stores or old weapons governments wanted to dispose of so not including illegal arms trade there were or are a fair few aussy SLRs in circulation, thats not counting what the rest of the commonwealth sent over too. A few L2s were sold over those ways as well.

[muttbutt]

you know your in trouble when the "militants" look more professional then the army, in Nigeria:|