When aircraft dies .....

[nick_ua]

http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2138
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2137
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2136
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2145
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http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2141
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2198
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2196
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2204
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2203
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http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2274
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[TR1]

sad sights......................

[stuntman]

Well they figured they would of been shot down anyway so might as well destroy them ourselves.. HA HA HA..j/k

In all fairness the pic with the Tupolev Tu-20 BEAR hurts the most. I love that wicked grand child of the b-29..

Cool pic http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&ll=13.07030300,79.69555400&q=India&spn=0.00254,0.005193

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Too bad they can't do something useful with them like sticking a couple of them in childrens playgrounds. That would be so cool.

[Grach]

I assume some of those are images of butchered Ukrainian air force...Truly one of the most horrific acts of vandalism.

[TR1]

Too bad they can't do something useful with them like sticking a couple of them in childrens playgrounds. That would be so cool.
sliding down th engine sfat of a Tu-22M would be awesome indeed............although I would hate to think what would happned to those kids arses.....soviet aircraft did not have the finest finish always....rough and ready finish.

[nagant_m44]

Well they figured they would of been shot down anyway so might as well destroy them ourselves.. HA HA HA..j/k

In all fairness the pic with the Tupolev Tu-20 BEAR hurts the most. I love that wicked grand child of the b-29..

Cool pic http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&ll=13.07030300,79.69555400&q=India&spn=0.00254,0.005193

why exactly is it the "grand child of the b-29"?

[stuntman]

why exactly is it the "grand child of the b-29"?
In short USSR kept a US b29 that made a emergency landing some where they controlled (I think?) and the Russians never gave it back. So they made a bomber called the Tu4 and it is a carbon copy of the B29. So every russian heavy bomber is a derivative of a b29..

[nagant_m44]

In short USSR kept a US b29 that made a emergency landing some where they controlled (I think?) and the Russians never gave it back. So they made a bomber called the Tu4 and it is a carbon copy of the B29. So every russian heavy bomber is a derivative of a b29..

Ok, they copied the b-29 to make the Tu-4. How is the Bear anything like the B-29?

[LEGEND]

Ok, they copied the b-29 to make the Tu-4. How is the Bear anything like the B-29?

It has 4 engines and its shiny!!!! You dont see the resemblence?

[goat89]

Pity... sad sad sad... :(

[Hawk of prairie]

for recycle or for wasted steel?

[stuntman]

Ok, they copied the b-29 to make the Tu-4. How is the Bear anything like the B-29?

It's a derivative!!!!!!!!!!:slap: Just like the b52~! But a B29 derives from elsewere but russian heavy bombers do not..

[ArmyJonHall]

Almost like a Russian version of The Boneyard at Davis Mothan AFB in the US.

http://images.google.com.au/url?q=http://www.leadingedgetucson.com/images/Boneyard1.jpg&usg=__zvv8WLrsaJl8FOITIaEC-CLqdFc=

[Basillicus]

I've always wondered why it is ok let those birds rot like that. I suppose they are made of some quite valueable materials, that could be melted down and used again to make new jets. Does anyone know reason why they don't do this? Is it too expensive to disassemble those planes? Hell, they recycle beer cans so why not airplanes that propably contain tons of aluminium, steel, titanium etc.

[nick_ua]

I assume some of those are images of butchered Ukrainian air force...
Nope
Tu 142 and Tu 22m3 from Mongoxto. Nearby Khabarovsk
An12 and An 22 from Ivanov (north)
Tu 22 airbase Belaya

These are from Ivanovo
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2199
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2206

These are from airbase Belaya
Tu 22 before
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2095
after
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2229
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2228
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2227
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2226
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2233
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2230

Tu 16. Belaya
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2044
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2042
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2047
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2045
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2053
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2052
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2049
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2057
http://forum.airforce.ru/download.php?id=2068

[mas-36]

Hell, they recycle beer cans so why not airplanes that propably contain tons of aluminium, steel, titanium etc.


Very good idea! I hope they are doing that. (just imagine how many beer cans are in those aircraft!)


As for the scrapping, it does hurt to see that happen to any plane. However, in the case of bombers, this has to be done. They cannot be sold, lest they are used to change the balance of power in some 3rd world country-countries, like in Africa. Imagine what would happen if a country like Congo had 5 Tupolev bombers!? So I imagine why this is why bombers must be scrapped.

[Ddavid]

EU definatly need a fleet of strategic bombers like the Tu-22M.

[kayaker]

for which potential war?

[TheArmenian]

Sad pictures.

[koolkat]

why tu 22m3?

[mas-36]

EU definatly need a fleet of strategic bombers like the Tu-22M.


France had a nice one in the form of the Mirage IV, basically a supersized twin engine Mirage. They were later transformed into reconaissance aircraft, and from what I understand, they've all been retired.

I think the era of long-range strategic bombers may be coming to an end, as multi-role aircraft and ship launched missiles take over this role, and they're a lot cheaper too.

[A13x]

Graphic warning please! :(

[Hawkeye4077]

russian aircraft are the most beautiful in my opinion so its such a shame to see this happen

[nagant_m44]

It's a derivative!!!!!!!!!!:slap: Just like the b52~! But a B29 derives from elsewere but russian heavy bombers do not..

so I guess the Myasishchev M-4 Molot (Nato namie Bison) is a derivative of the b-29 as well? Is the Tu-160 (another Heavy Bomber) also a B-29 derivative?? What do the B-29 and Bear have in common, other then the fact that they are both bombers?

[OzMan]

I've always wondered why it is ok let those birds rot like that. I suppose they are made of some quite valueable materials, that could be melted down and used again to make new jets. Does anyone know reason why they don't do this? Is it too expensive to disassemble those planes? Hell, they recycle beer cans so why not airplanes that propably contain tons of aluminium, steel, titanium etc.

At the boneyard at DM, over a third of the aircraft on site are there for that exact purpose. Store them in a dry, low humidity space to prevent corrosion, and part them out to the active fleet. With the B-52s, most are being destroyed at the chopping block, others are being parted out.

I was at the boneyard in February, I'll post up a few pics whenever photobucket comes back on.

[Nickolai]

the horror!!!!

[MG 3]

Those engines are HUGE!

[helomech]

I'm wondering if there are any 8 day clocks in those aircraft in the pictures.They are highly sought after because of their reliability and they look cool on your desk!

[Prodigal]

Very traumatic!

[kosse]

Interesting pictures..there's something about the rotting machines. Do you have pictures of old soviet fighter planes in similar condition? There must be huge amounts of them out there in the fields. Can anyone say what are those fighters in the US boneyard photograph?

[stuntman]

so I guess the Myasishchev M-4 Molot (Nato namie Bison) is a derivative of the b-29 as well? Is the Tu-160 (another Heavy Bomber) also a B-29 derivative?? What do the B-29 and Bear have in common, other then the fact that they are both bombers?

M-4 was a tanker because it failed as a long range bomber. And you are right about the Tu-160 it is not a copy of the B29 it is a copy of a B1B lancer..

[R.D.]

Very sad indeed. Some pics from Albania.

http://us.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/8/0/1143080.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/1/5/7/1133751.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/4/4/7/1133744.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/8/2/4/1130428.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/4/7/4/1125474.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/3/8/6/1122683.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/2/4/2/1120242.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/2/3/4/1119432.jpg

http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/9/2/6/1052629.jpg

[Quietscheentchen]

i'd buy one of those bears and make a nice and trendy restaurant out of it...although there would still be the question where to place such a restaurant with its size...;)

[nick_ua]

And you are right about the Tu-160 it is not a copy of the B29 it is a copy of a B1B lancer..
please tell me u are joking

[Lefty]

..and how would the Soviets copy a bomber whihc they had no physical access to and only pictures. I have pictures of B1s in my basement, so can we assume safely that I can build one? No. Tu-160 is a similar, but completely different aircraft from the B1, the simple reason aircraft built for the same task look similar is because those similar features were independantly or based on prior experiance found to provide the best performance. Can we assume that since all airplanes have wings, all aircraft are direct copies of the Wright Flyer? :roll:

Great pictures though, I had wondered about how the former USSR axed it's aircraft. Anyone know where this is done so I could spy on it from Google earth?

[LEGEND]

Great pictures though, I had wondered about how the former USSR axed it's aircraft. Anyone know where this is done so I could spy on it from Google earth?

It's a secret, you might see the internal parts and build yourself a copy of the plane!



Here you go this is Belaya AFB, the resting place of Tu-22ms
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=52.899234,103.578908&spn=0.008866,0.019913&t=k&om=1


This is Belaya Tserkov AFB in Ukraine, this is where Ukraine was chopping up heavy strategic bombers:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=402961&t=k&om=1


So sad to see what remains of once proud and mighty Air Force

[IDF-Godzilla]

The great scraped USSR.
Thanks for the photos.

[nick_ua]

So sad to see what remains of once proud and mighty Air Force
Belaya has a lot of new Tu 223m in an active duty. I remeber posting a lot pic from there
So no worry. It's not really about Airforce it's more like getting rid of old stuff.
But still sad

[JVeld]

Man...........it hurts me to see all of those beautiful birds end up like that !!!

[LEGEND]

Il-76 and An-12 storage (God knows where) Thats the most Il-76s i've seen in one place.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php%3FNumber%3D457422&om=1&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=51.707802,55.028071&spn=0.002277,0.004973&t=k

[nagant_m44]

M-4 was a tanker because it failed as a long range bomber. And you are right about the Tu-160 it is not a copy of the B29 it is a copy of a B1B lancer..


yet it was still designed to be a bomber. How is the M-4 in anyway similar to the b-29?? your logic is pretty stupid.:roll:

[TR1]

Il-76 and An-12 storage (God knows where) Thats the most Il-76s i've seen in one place.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php%3FNumber%3D457422&om=1&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=51.707802,55.028071&spn=0.002277,0.004973&t=k
nice find.
thats a ****load of transports.
hopefully not all of them were retired.

[Isbjoern]

M-4 was a tanker because it failed as a long range bomber. And you are right about the Tu-160 it is not a copy of the B29 it is a copy of a B1B lancer..


Except for the copying of B-29/ Tu-4 "Bull", the rest of your copy-ideas are; hmmm... Bull**** as well.

I suppose the Tupolev-team may have used some of the knowledge learnt from the Tu-4 and put it into the Tu-95, but that is as far as that story goes.

I can hardly find any similarities, whatsoever, between the Myasishchev M-4 and the Tu-4, except for perhaps the number of wings ;-) .

And about Tu-160 /B1-B, this just shows how much you know about this. Except for the fact that the Blackjack is 10 meters longer, and weighs almost 40 metric tons more, the two planes has very different carachteristica. While the top speed of the Blackjack is approx Mach 2.2, the topspeed of the B-1B is Mach 1.2 . (Of course, the top-speed of the B-1/B-1A is Mach 2.2, but you told us that the Blackjack was copied from the B-version.)

Why is it so hard to accept that USA isn't the only manufacturer of great airplanes?

[Scrat335]

Il-76 and An-12 storage (God knows where) Thats the most Il-76s i've seen in one place.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:/...7,0.004973&t=k

That pic looks like its from around the Omsk or Samara region.

[LEGEND]

That pic looks like its from around the Omsk or Samara region.

It's in Orenburg.

What other airfields do Tu-22Ms operate from?

[stuntman]

yet it was still designed to be a bomber. How is the M-4 in anyway similar to the b-29?? your logic is pretty stupid.:roll:
The fact that the original russian design(m-4) failed, only reinforced the need to copy western designs. Hence local designed abandoned. Plus I was talking about heavy bombers that derive from the b29, not all russian bombers. If you can't get that LOGIC then maybe I am not the stupid one...:bash:

[stuntman]

Except for the copying of B-29/ Tu-4 "Bull", the rest of your copy-ideas are; hmmm... Bull**** as well.

I suppose the Tupolev-team may have used some of the knowledge learnt from the Tu-4 and put it into the Tu-95, but that is as far as that story goes.
Well I agree. I am sure you agree that the b52 derives from the b29 just like the TU95 no problems here. Just lets not forget the manor on the evolution of the tu95..
I can hardly find any similarities, whatsoever, between the Myasishchev M-4 and the Tu-4, except for perhaps the number of wings ;-) .
I never said that, someone else made made that jump. Talk to them!

And about Tu-160 /B1-B, this just shows how much you know about this. Except for the fact that the Blackjack is 10 meters longer, and weighs almost 40 metric tons more, the two planes has very different carachteristica. While the top speed of the Blackjack is approx Mach 2.2, the topspeed of the B-1B is Mach 1.2 . (Of course, the top-speed of the B-1/B-1A is Mach 2.2, but you told us that the Blackjack was copied from the B-version.)
Well i don't disput the performance difference or the size as the soviets didn't have the luck of getting a carbon copy as the b29. So thru clandestine reasons they got as much info as possible. It is even admitted that the tu160 at the time was a response to the lancer just larger and faster. If not the best performance strategic bomber in the world except for the B2. Well that is stealth vs speed..

Why is it so hard to accept that USA isn't the only manufacturer of great airplanes?
When did I say that?? I mean it is true but I never said that..p-)


!@#$%^&*()

[LEGEND]

The fact that the original russian design(m-4) failed, only reinforced the need to copy western designs. Hence local designed abandoned. Plus I was talking about heavy bombers that derive from the b29, not all russian bombers. If you can't get that LOGIC then maybe I am not the stupid one...:bash:

The quote that you said Tu-160 is a copy of B-1b is enough to see the logic.

You are comparing a swept wing turboprop airplane with a world war 2 piston engined bomber. Please let the public know of how you consider the Tu-95 to be a derivative of B-29.

[stuntman]

The quote that you said Tu-160 is a copy of B-1b is enough to see the logic.

You are comparing a swept wing turboprop airplane with a world war 2 piston engined bomber. Please let the public know of how you consider the Tu-95 to be a derivative of B-29.

Well the Russians have made independent advancements over the years. I am just pointing out how it began. Just like most jet engine designs come from German technology. And other countries have advance from the injection of german ww2 tech.. Simple point..

[LEGEND]

Well the Russians have made independent advancements over the years. I am just pointing out how it began. Just like most jet engine designs come from German technology. And other countries have advance from the injection of german ww2 tech.. Simple point..

Thats true that both Soviets and US have used the research done by the German's for the respective Jet programs. But your statement was that Tu-95 is a grandchild and was influenced by the B-29.
A lot of Soviet made planes made it into US hands (a lot more then western planes into the soviet hands), planes like mig- 17,21,23,25,29. All were disassembled down to the last bolt and intensly studied and scrutinized, including flight tests and using them to train USAF crews. You could easely say that capture of those planes had at least equal influence on the current USAF fighter fleet as B-29 made on Tu-95 design.

So lets make a statement "F-35 is a grand child and was influenced by the Mig-21" so according to the logic pattern that you are trying to pursue, is this in accurate statement and if not how is it different from the B-29 and Tu-95 comparison.

[Scrat335]

What other airfields do Tu-22Ms operate from?

I know there's one close to Samara (the same?) and a big base north of Smolensk. That is pasrt of the airlift fleet though.

[stuntman]

Thats true that both Soviets and US have used the research done by the German's for the respective Jet programs. But your statement was that Tu-95 is a grandchild and was influenced by the B-29.
A lot of Soviet made planes made it into US hands (a lot more then western planes into the soviet hands), planes like mig- 17,21,23,25,29. All were disassembled down to the last bolt and intensly studied and scrutinized, including flight tests and using them to train USAF crews. You could easely say that capture of those planes had at least equal influence on the current USAF fighter fleet as B-29 made on Tu-95 design.
Yes this is very true. But all those respective airframes were recieved after comparable US/EU airframes were already insupply. The planes recieved were more used for doctrine not tech. See F86's were no match for mig17 in the Korean conflict. Not until a defection did US Airforce understand how to beat and raise the ratio from 2:1 to about 8:1(unless they were soviet pilots, it was maybe equal) after the fact of recieving the aircraft. Soviet pilots that defected help US aircraft makers understand the envelope that russian planes can reach. Then next gen US aircraft were set to a higher standard. With the russians always playing catch up they didn't want to lag behind so they copied western designs.

So lets make a statement "F-35 is a grand child and was influenced by the Mig-21" so according to the logic pattern that you are trying to pursue, is this in accurate statement and if not how is it different from the B-29 and Tu-95 comparison.
There is no direct link between them so thats the difference.
Don't get me wrong I understand the generic nature of airframes as wings, landing gear, stick, nav CPU and many other natured items but just look at some russian aircraft they are just blatant copies or improved with the luxury of knowing what the rival aircraft and mission specific roles it will carryout.

NOt all aircraft but alot of older airframes are copies.

[Hawk of prairie]

Copy means 1:1(from interior to exterior)
Next time you say the word "Copy" you must think carefully!

[stuntman]

Copy means 1:1(from interior to exterior)
Next time you say the word "Copy" you must think carefully!

Yea well generic meaning of copied...

[nagant_m44]

!@#$%^&*()

actually, the B-52 comes from the B-47. It has nothing to do with the B-29. I mentioned the Tu-160 because it is a Russian Heavy bomber. You made the assertion that all russian heavy bombers were derived from the B-29. You still have not explained how the Tu-95 and B-29 are similar. You keep telling us that it was derivd from the B-29, but you don't say what part of it is. Why don't you enlighten us, o brilliant one? :roll:

[nick_ua]

What other airfields do Tu-22Ms operate from?
airbase Belaya. neraby Irkutsk

[stuntman]

actually, the B-52 comes from the B-47. It has nothing to do with the B-29. I mentioned the Tu-160 because it is a Russian Heavy bomber. You made the assertion that all russian heavy bombers were derived from the B-29. You still have not explained how the Tu-95 and B-29 are similar. You keep telling us that it was derivd from the B-29, but you don't say what part of it is. Why don't you enlighten us, o brilliant one? :roll:
My point is not of result after the fact of the b29 decendents(B-36,b47,B-50,Martin XB-51,b52,etc) but more of a point of Lineage in a Anthropology sence of derivative.
Maybe thats a better example to explain to your limited abilities of a upright walking man or should I say WO MAN!rofl Ha ha ha j/k..

Simple point is that only American heavy bombers are allowed to decend from the b29, any other country that does this (ex.USSR) is a copy cat faker..

[nagant_m44]

My point is not of result after the fact of the b29 decendents(B-36,b47,B-50,Martin XB-51,b52,etc) but more of a point of Lineage in a Anthropology sence of derivative.
Maybe thats a better example to explain to your limited abilities of a upright walking man or should I say WO MAN!rofl Ha ha ha j/k..

Simple point is that only American heavy bombers are allowed to decend from the b29, any other country that does this (ex.USSR) is a copy cat faker..

wow, you are totally hopeless...:roll:

[KALIFORNIA]

For those who want to check out the Boneyard :

www.amarcexperience.com (http://www.amarcexperience.com)

Enjoy, there is plenty pics :)

[cepera]

My point is not of result after the fact of the b29 decendents(B-36,b47,B-50,Martin XB-51,b52,etc) but more of a point of Lineage in a Anthropology sence of derivative.
Maybe thats a better example to explain to your limited abilities of a upright walking man or should I say WO MAN!rofl Ha ha ha j/k..

Simple point is that only American heavy bombers are allowed to decend from the b29, any other country that does this (ex.USSR) is a copy cat faker..

Thus going by your logic we can safely conclude that american JSF is a direct copy of a russian Yak-141M prototype..as was the whole STOVL concept. As a metter of fact..
The Yak-141, being the world’s first supersonic STOVL (short take-off/vertical landing) aircraft, has three engines: one lift-cruise R-79 with a thrust of 15500kg and two small-sized RD-41 of 4100kg each. The powerplant allows the plane to lift off vertically with a weight of up to 15800kg. Alternatively, the Yak-141 can perform short take-offs (60-120m) with a weight of up to 19500kg. In the latter case the combat radius increases by 1.5-2 times and patrol time in the combat zone by two times. The pilot can use afterburner even when the nozzles are deflected. The Yak-141’s integral flight-control system sets power and deflection of the nozzles so as to optimise making vertical/short take-offs and landings.
The Yak-141M was meant primarily for ground-basing. Introduction of new flight regimes, as well as new take-off/landing techniques, has entailed changes in the airframe, leading to a new design, the Yak-141M. The Yak-141 had its maiden flight some 25 years ahead of the timeframe set by foreign manufacturers for creation of such a plane. After the show in Farnborough, Yakovlev design bureau worked together with Lockheed on Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme. As a result, Lockheed’s final JSF proposal resembles... the Yak-141M.
www.bearcraft-online.com/museum/museum.htm?mid=89

And so to conclude... wow its a rip, care to argue?

You make a good point on that some early Soviet technology was copied..like the engine on a Mig-15 was bacically a Rolls-Royce. But at the same time americans claimed to have developed an atomic bomb and accused soviets of copying it when it was germans that came up with such concept. Same goes for rotary wing aircraft, fuel injection systems, all german made concepts. They're simply universal.. that why both yanks and russkies used them.

[LEGEND]

Simple point is that only American heavy bombers are allowed to decend from the b29, any other country that does this (ex.USSR) is a copy cat faker..

I thought you already agreed before that Tu-95 could have influence of the experience of Tu team having to copy the B-29, now you are coming back to the "copycat faker"?

Like I said before, any argument that you show that Tu-95 is based on B-29 I can reverse and show you how F-35 is based on Mig-21.

[Gluten]

EU definatly need a fleet of strategic bombers like the Tu-22M.

now thats just bullsh!t, why??

[PrinzEugen]

For those who want to check out the Boneyard :

www.amarcexperience.com (http://www.amarcexperience.com)

Enjoy, there is plenty pics :)

Good link, thanks.

[stuntman]

I said heavy bombers not yaks or mig 21 or medium bombers just heavy bombers. NOW understand you guys are wrong (all of you!) and stop disagreeing with me or I will have to point out how the Hind was copied!!!

[cepera]

^thats your way of escaping an argument when you got no ground to stand on???

[Scrat335]

and stop disagreeing with me or I will have to point out how the Hind was copied!!!

Was it copied because it has a tail rotor and the main rotor? The Hind follows the same set of rules all helos did when it was designed. Yeah you can say it was copied from the Huey or that French design but it's still just the normal way of doing things. The Hind is very unique in many ways from other choppers.

You don't make a lot of sense dude.

[stuntman]

^thats your way of escaping an argument when you got no ground to stand on???

NOPE, you are again completely wrong. I have already explained myself thoroughly. It is not my fault people here have trouble with context:cantbeli: ..

[stuntman]

Was it copied because it has a tail rotor and the main rotor? The Hind follows the same set of rules all helos did when it was designed. Yeah you can say it was copied from the Huey or that French design but it's still just the normal way of doing things. The Hind is very unique in many ways from other choppers.

You don't make a lot of sense dude.

I was actually kidding about the hind..

[Scrat335]

I got in late today. The fact that you're not making a lot of sense still applies IMO.

[nagant_m44]

NOPE, you are again completely wrong. I have already explained myself thoroughly. It is not my fault people here have trouble with context:cantbeli: ..

no, we have trouble with understanding what you say simply because you are an idiot.

[Ordie]

My point is not of result after the fact of the b29 decendents(B-36,b47,B-50,Martin XB-51,b52,etc) but more of a point of Lineage in a Anthropology sence of derivative.
Maybe thats a better example to explain to your limited abilities of a upright walking man or should I say WO MAN!rofl Ha ha ha j/k..

Simple point is that only American heavy bombers are allowed to decend from the b29, any other country that does this (ex.USSR) is a copy cat faker..

The Soviets reversed engineered the impounded B-29.

[Ordie]

The Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty between the Soviet Union and the United States mandated that bombers were to be chopped for a period of time. Enough time for satellites to confirm that the bombers had been destroyed.


B-29 Family Tree in the Soviet Union
TU-4
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/ru_monino_aircraft_tu4_02_s.jpg (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/ru_monino_aircraft_tu4_02.jpg)

TU-70 Passenger
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu-70-sh2p371a-prev.jpg (http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu-70-sh2p371a.jpg)

TU-85
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu-85-sh2p373-prev.jpg (http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu-85-sh2p373.jpg)

TU-95
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu95-5-prev.jpg (http://www.totavia.com/pacman/images/pn_w0217.jpg)

TU-114 Passenger
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu114yak-prev.jpg (http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu114yak.jpg)

[Ordie]

While in the US

B-29
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress_USAF.JPG/250px-Boeing_B-29_Superfortress_USAF.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boeing_B-29_Superfortress_USAF.JPG)

B-50
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/USAF_Lucky_Lady_II.jpg/250px-USAF_Lucky_Lady_II.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USAF_Lucky_Lady_II.jpg)
C-97
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Boeing_C97.jpg/250px-Boeing_C97.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boeing_C97.jpg)
Guppy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/SuperGuppy-F-BPPA.jpg/250px-SuperGuppy-F-BPPA.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SuperGuppy-F-BPPA.jpg)

[Rumcajs]

only 1,5 year ago they flew over Čáslav AB with gripens for the last time, a lot of people spoke that they must go and will go to a museum for sure. At this time their former now gripen pilots get these photos from a man....
I so want to punch some fuc....ing ......

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/ostatni/2005/odlety/011.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr9.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/ostatni/2005/odlety/001.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr10.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr1.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr2.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr3.jpg
http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr4.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr5.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr7.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr8.jpg

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2006/bahno/obr10.jpg

it´s a crime

[perdurabo]

I wonder why didn't they just sell them on free market in USA, Australia or anywhere? (of course without weponary and all other stuff that is forbiden) They did same thing with our 21s and 23s, Su20, Su7 ;( only larger numbers of our Lim's(licensed MiG15 and 17) and Iskra's survieved

[perdurabo]

I said heavy bombers not yaks or mig 21 or medium bombers just heavy bombers. NOW understand you guys are wrong (all of you!) and stop disagreeing with me or I will have to point out how the Hind was copied!!!
hmm so Halifax, Stirling, Lancaster, Manchester, Whitley, Do-19, He-177, G10N, Ju-290, Me-264, Ju-89, Ju-390, He-274, Pe-8/TB-7... come from B-29 right?

[LEGEND]

only 1,5 year ago they flew over Čáslav AB with gripens for the last time, a lot of people spoke that they must go and will go to a museum for sure. At this time their former now gripen pilots get these photos from a man....
I so want to punch some fuc....ing ......

http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/ostatni/2005/odlety/011.jpg
it´s a crime
Why does it say "Spasibo" in russian on this one?

[Rumcajs]

Why does it say "Spasibo" in russian on this one?

it means "thank you" and pilots and technicians wanted to thank to Migs for good service in CzAF in this way, they were made in Soviet Union, so in Russian "thank you" ( they wrote "spasibo" on every MiG-21 that day) . The photos are from last MiGs service day before flight to depot. Some fuc.....ing ministry clerk or who had to admit this crime
http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/ostatni/2005/odlety/odlet.htm


I wonder why didn't they just sell them on free market in USA, Australia or anywhere? (of course without weponary and all other stuff that is forbiden) They did same thing with our 21s and 23s, Su20, Su7 ;( only larger numbers of our Lim's(licensed MiG15 and 17) and Iskra's survieved

4 MiG-21MFNs from the last Czech MiG-21 batch, as these on junkyard, were preserved on Čáslav AB as memorials, a lot of MiG-21s of all versions used by CzAF are in Prague museum Kbely (15,17,19, 23 as well), several are on further bases, a few were sold out to Africa (Mali?), but I don´t understand why somebody let give these to junkyard... (as you have said, they can use them for selling or for museum changing)

bwt MiG-29 selling/changing to Poland was a crime as well, because according to a Czech law every air force discarded aicraft type must be preserved in Prague-Kbely of one piece minimally

[LEGEND]

it means "thank you" and pilots and technicians wanted to thank to Migs for good service in CzAF in this way, they were made in Soviet Union, so in Russian "thank you" ( they wrote "spasibo" on every MiG-21 that day) . The photos are from last MiGs service day before flight to depot. Some fuc.....ing ministry clerk or who had to admit this crime
http://www.afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/ostatni/2005/odlety/odlet.htm


I guess this is another testament to the fact what a good plane Mig-21 is that crews took such a step as a gratitude to the plane:)

[stuntman]

hmm so Halifax, Stirling, Lancaster, Manchester, Whitley, Do-19, He-177, G10N, Ju-290, Me-264, Ju-89, Ju-390, He-274, Pe-8/TB-7... come from B-29 right?

Right!:bash:

[artinist]

http://www.mil.be/def/window_defense_preview.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=window_defense&ID=645


http://www.mil.be/def/window_defense_preview.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=window_defense&ID=617

http://www.mil.be/def/window_defense_preview.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=window_defense&ID=41