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HELEX
04-17-2004, 02:06 PM
Its unclear is Rantissi is among the Victims, 2 Persons were killed.

More info soon.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,295829,00.html

Tengu
04-17-2004, 02:08 PM
yeah just heared. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

Damian
04-17-2004, 02:24 PM
Rantassi is dead!!!!
:P :P :P :P :P :P

one terrorist less!!!!

Good Job Israel!

S'13
04-17-2004, 02:27 PM
What a coincidence! Today it is 16 years since the assassination of Abu Jihad in Tunis... ;)

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 02:32 PM
I feel like I just won the lottery.

cut
04-17-2004, 02:38 PM
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1148947.jpg


a little something for those who think George W Bush can do no wrong...

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12344410,00.html

cut
04-17-2004, 02:40 PM
HAMAS LEADER KILLED

The leader of Hamas in Gaza, Abdel Aziz Rantissi, is reported to have been killed in an Israeli airstrike on his car.

Rantissi is understood to have died in hospital after his car was hit by two missiles as it travelled through Gaza City.


Rantissi was appointed last month following the killing of Hamas' founder and spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

Reports say Rantissi's two bodyguards were also killed and up to six other Palestinians were injured in the attack by Israeli helicopter gunships.

MaDuce
04-17-2004, 02:41 PM
he got
http://home.houston.rr.com/gopha1/other/sharowned.jpg

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 02:43 PM
he got
http://home.houston.rr.com/gopha1/other/sharowned.jpg
Yes he did. :D

HELEX
04-17-2004, 02:43 PM
Well, it was just a Question of time. He was a dead man walking...

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 02:43 PM
Was it a good car? :(

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 02:44 PM
Can we get some pics of his mutilated body please? :lol:

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 02:45 PM
Can we get some pics of his mutilated body please? :lol:

Shame on you! thinking about his body at this time! Think about the poor 72 virgins who will get it!!!

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 02:46 PM
Can we get some pics of his mutilated body please? :lol:

Shame on you! thinking about his body at this time! Think about the poor 72 virgins who will get it!!!
rofl rofl rofl

cut
04-17-2004, 02:46 PM
http://www.superherophotos.net/batman/batfoes/peguindev.jpg

sharowned indeed

:P

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 02:46 PM
http://www.superherophotos.net/batman/batfoes/peguindev.jpg

sharowned indeed

:P
*screams in terror8
Bad limey, bad

Frens
04-17-2004, 02:49 PM
woot woot woot one terrorist less woot woot woot

Macs.
04-17-2004, 02:50 PM
I love the apache.

StarvingStudent47
04-17-2004, 02:50 PM
Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you...


he got
http://home.houston.rr.com/gopha1/other/sharowned.jpg

LOL!

weedman
04-17-2004, 02:52 PM
woot woot woot one terrorist less woot woot woot woot woot woot one more reason for revenge and a neverending conflict woot woot woot

MaDuce
04-17-2004, 02:54 PM
As you say it will never end no matter what Isreal does so why hold back.

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 02:54 PM
woot woot woot one terrorist less woot woot woot woot woot woot one more reason for revenge and a neverending conflict woot woot woot
If the revenge is going to be the same as it was after Yassin, I think the Israelis can live through it. :)

Javehn
04-17-2004, 02:54 PM
woot woot woot one terrorist less woot woot woot woot woot woot one more reason for revenge and a neverending conflict woot woot woot

Oh , really . Because , i remember (and someone remind me just now woot ) about the "outgoing circle of violence" by CNN , "Israel has opened the gates of hell" by BBC , but hey , arrmagedon didn't came , and hell didn't brake loose upon the earth . I myself thought this way , and i am happy i was wrong . Perhaps it's the only efficient way to dealt with terrorists .

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 02:54 PM
woot woot woot one terrorist less woot woot woot woot woot woot one more reason for revenge and a neverending conflict woot woot woot

The death of the terrorists will end this conflict.

Without leadership Hamas CAN NOT carry out many attacks as before...

Unless you are sorry for that, you should be happy.

M_S
04-17-2004, 02:54 PM
some sources says he died and some say he escaped death..

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 02:54 PM
........and I repeat my post from the other similur thread

Yep we are after them big time!! :D


Oh and I remember last time after Yassin was killed, all the detractors here said it was a terrible thing because now Hamas will revenge blah blah or that it will just create more blah blah blah (as if they weren’t lining up before anyways :roll: )


The bottom line is this.

Hamas has been on a systematic campaign of terror for the past few years now and this whole notion of revenge for them is BS for they attempt and attack regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, the same is for their ominous announcements that Israel will pay big time for that too has been said from the beginning and it is always repeated so nothing new here.

Before the yassin killing they were trying and after they were trying….no difference in the amount of attempts from before and after.

Before Israel went after them a little over two years ago in a bigger way, there was a homicide bombing and shooting attacks almost daily and for sure weekly and now after the IDF actions, it has been dramatically reduced by over fifty percent to where even after yassin is killed and they said that Israel would pay for that immediately they couldn’t pull it off.

Of course I believe there will be another homicide bombing for there is no 100 percent ay to stop everyone, but we have limited them big time and are going to limit it even more with some of the bigger moves that we are making (the completion of the anti terror security fence and a few other things)


Shalom :D

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 02:56 PM
Oh , really . Because , i remember (and someone remind me just now woot ) about the "outgoing circle of violence" by CNN , "Israel has opened the gates of hell" by BBC , but hey , arrmagedon didn't came , and hell didn't brake loose upon the earth . I myself thought this way , and i am happy i was wrong . Perhaps it's the only efficient way to dealt with terrorists .ahh you thought that as well :roll: , well dude in that case you need to listen to me a bit more ;)

Shalom :D

Javehn
04-17-2004, 03:01 PM
Oh , really . Because , i remember (and someone remind me just now woot ) about the "outgoing circle of violence" by CNN , "Israel has opened the gates of hell" by BBC , but hey , arrmagedon didn't came , and hell didn't brake loose upon the earth . I myself thought this way , and i am happy i was wrong . Perhaps it's the only efficient way to dealt with terrorists .ahh you thought that as well :roll: , well dude in that case you need to listen to me a bit more ;)

Shalom :D

I ment , when Yassin was destroyed . RunSissy allready had one go for him , but he escaped then .

I heard now about a version ,that some officials in PA security helped Israel to go for RunSissy . Muhamad Dahlan , the head of PA security service hated RunSissi's , and his Hamas (Hamas and PA security even had some serious firefights between themself) . He probably would condemn Israel , offcorse, but i feel how he is sitting in his office , and masturbating with a joy .

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:04 PM
Oh , really . Because , i remember (and someone remind me just now woot ) about the "outgoing circle of violence" by CNN , "Israel has opened the gates of hell" by BBC , but hey , arrmagedon didn't came , and hell didn't brake loose upon the earth . I myself thought this way , and i am happy i was wrong . Perhaps it's the only efficient way to dealt with terrorists .ahh you thought that as well :roll: , well dude in that case you need to listen to me a bit more ;)

Shalom :D

I ment , when Yassin was destroyed .

No I knew that and I had a similur post like what I said here there as well.

I never belived there was going to be a another armegeden right after or any big wave for I understand that they are trying it anways even before the yassin killing.

The bottm line is that the IDF actions over the past two years and really over the past year have limited them big time!!

Shalom :D

Javehn
04-17-2004, 03:07 PM
I allready can hear the voices comming from Europe leaders ."Rantissi was not leader of military group , he was only spokesman of non military part of Hamas . You had no right for that act .. bla bla bla i am gay politician bla bla " ...

cut
04-17-2004, 03:07 PM
last time round



President Bush said: "I am troubled by the recent Israeli helicopter gunship attacks. I regret the loss of innocent life.

"I'm concerned that the attacks will make it more difficult for the Palestinian leadership to fight off terrorist attacks. I also don't believe the attacks help the Israelis' security.

"I am determined to keep the process on the road to peace, and I believe, with responsible leadership by all parties, we can bring peace to the region.

"I emphasise, all parties must behave responsibly to achieve that objective."

-june 2003

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:08 PM
I allready can hear the voices comming from Europe leaders ."Rantissi was not leader of military group , he was only spokesman of non military part of Hamas . You had no right for that act .. bla bla bla i am gay politician bla bla " ...
Thats what I hear most of the time rofl

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:08 PM
last time round



President Bush said: "I am troubled by the recent Israeli helicopter gunship attacks. I regret the loss of innocent life.

"I'm concerned that the attacks will make it more difficult for the Palestinian leadership to fight off terrorist attacks. I also don't believe the attacks help the Israelis' security.

"I am determined to keep the process on the road to peace, and I believe, with responsible leadership by all parties, we can bring peace to the region.

"I emphasise, all parties must behave responsibly to achieve that objective."

The Israeli attack was greeted with fury by Palestinian prime minister Abu Mazen, who demanded immediate US action following what he called a "terrorist attack."
Thats from a year ago.
Elections are coming up right now...muahahhahahaha.

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:09 PM
last time round


I dont know who you are addresing this too but indeed I have in the past have said that Bush has been hypocrytical as well.


though I will say that is is far less so then any of the dems or the Europeans ;)

Anways what does this have to do with what Israel did?

Shalom :D

MaDuce
04-17-2004, 03:10 PM
Yes RAmerican Christian Zionists are a big voting block that where very helpful to bush.

cut
04-17-2004, 03:11 PM
so was bush a gay president in june 2003? or was that different? :D

MaDuce
04-17-2004, 03:12 PM
so was bush a gay president in june 2003? or was that different? :D
?????

cut
04-17-2004, 03:14 PM
so was bush a gay president in june 2003? or was that different? :D
?????

sorry should have quoted read the earlier posts

cut
04-17-2004, 03:16 PM
last time round


I dont know who you are addresing this too but indeed I have in the past have said that Bush has been hypocrytical as well.


though I will say that is is far less so then any of the dems or the Europeans ;)

Anways what does this have to do with what Israel did?

Shalom :D

It that has to do with Bush, because Israel can't sin.

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:17 PM
so was bush a gay president in june 2003? or was that different? :D
PLEASE do not compare Bush to Euro leaders (and NO I do NOT mean Great Britain ;) )
He said some things here and there, but when it came to acting, he mad eno mistakes.
Btw, Blair was the first world leader to back Sharon's plan for unilateral withdrawal, so.............. :D

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:17 PM
last time round


I dont know who you are addresing this too but indeed I have in the past have said that Bush has been hypocrytical as well.


though I will say that is is far less so then any of the dems or the Europeans ;)

Anways what does this have to do with what Israel did?

Shalom :D

It that has to do with Bush, because Israel can't sin.ahh sorry I am not following, please explin yourself a bit better.

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:18 PM
last time round


I dont know who you are addresing this too but indeed I have in the past have said that Bush has been hypocrytical as well.


though I will say that is is far less so then any of the dems or the Europeans ;)

Anways what does this have to do with what Israel did?

Shalom :D

It that has to do with Bush, because Israel can't sin.
No one said either bush or israel or sharon or anyone else is PERFECt.
But what problem do YOU have with wasting Rantissy?

Javehn
04-17-2004, 03:26 PM
WAW !! WTF !!
Just heard on the news , Rantisi isn't dead , it was false , the ****er is still alive , god damnit !! The biaches talled he is dead to earn some time , ****ing hell !!

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:27 PM
WAW !! WTF !!
Just heard on the news , Rantisi isn't dead , it was false , the f*** is still alive , god damnit !! The biaches talled he is dead to earn some time , f*** hell !!
AWWW...****.
Link me.

Javehn
04-17-2004, 03:29 PM
On Hebrew .

cut
04-17-2004, 03:29 PM
last time round


I dont know who you are addresing this too but indeed I have in the past have said that Bush has been hypocrytical as well.


though I will say that is is far less so then any of the dems or the Europeans ;)

Anways what does this have to do with what Israel did?

Shalom :D

It that has to do with Bush, because Israel can't sin.
No one said either bush or israel or sharon or anyone else is PERFECt.
But what problem do YOU have with wasting Rantissy?

I don't have a problem with it really, it doesn't really matter as much as the Yassin killing and since the Bush/Sharon aggreement this week, you might as well kill all the palestinians you want, as someone said when yassin was killed the palestianians are going to keep sucide bombing regardless now that sharon and push ahve decided to piss them off.

Again this doesn't look good for Iraq too.

Javehn
04-17-2004, 03:36 PM
WAW !! WTF !!
Just heard on the news , Rantisi isn't dead , it was false , the f*** is still alive , god damnit !! The biaches talled he is dead to earn some time , f*** hell !!
AWWW...****.
Link me.

Psich .... rofl
April's fools day ;) ;) .
The sucker is raped by 72 virgin boys in slow motion , right now as i write those lines .

Don't bellieve everything Media telling you , son rofl

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:37 PM
I don't have a problem with it really, it doesn't really matter as much as the Yassin killing and since the Bush/Sharon aggreement this week, you might as well kill all the palestinians you want ahh? :roll: no we are going after ONLY those leaders and those that mastermind and those that purposely and intentionally for the most part ONLY target and kill our citizens and civilians

We aren’t going after anyone else (please offer some intellectual honesty for once and frame this a bit better then how you have done it above :roll: ).

Lets be clear on that!!


as someone said when yassin was killed the palestianians are going to keep sucide bombing regardless now that sharon and push ahve decided to piss them off.what? now that we have?? :roll: ....no man in their eyes we have pissed them off for years now, no change from this action or what Sharon or bush did


I repeat again

........and I repeat my post from the other similur thread

Yep we are after them big time!! :D


Oh and I remember last time after Yassin was killed, all the detractors here said it was a terrible thing because now Hamas will revenge blah blah or that it will just create more blah blah blah (as if they weren’t lining up before anyways :roll: )


The bottom line is this.

Hamas has been on a systematic campaign of terror for the past few years now and this whole notion of revenge for them is BS for they attempt and attack regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, the same is for their ominous announcements that Israel will pay big time for that too has been said from the beginning and it is always repeated so nothing new here.

Before the yassin killing they were trying and after they were trying….no difference in the amount of attempts from before and after.

Before Israel went after them a little over two years ago in a bigger way, there was a homicide bombing and shooting attacks almost daily and for sure weekly and now after the IDF actions, it has been dramatically reduced by over fifty percent to where even after yassin is killed and they said that Israel would pay for that immediately they couldn’t pull it off.

Of course I believe there will be another homicide bombing for there is no 100 percent ay to stop everyone, but we have limited them big time and are going to limit it even more with some of the bigger moves that we are making (the completion of the anti terror security fence and a few other things)


Shalom :D



Again this doesn't look good for Iraq too. Yes us defending ourselves and going after these terrorists pisses off other Arabs……….and?? your point???

Shalom :D

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:39 PM
WAW !! WTF !!
Just heard on the news , Rantisi isn't dead , it was false , the f*** is still alive , god damnit !! The biaches talled he is dead to earn some time , f*** hell !!
AWWW...****.
Link me.

Psich .... rofl
April's fools day ;) ;) .
The sucker is raped by 72 virgin boys in slow motion , right now as i write those lines .

Don't bellieve everything Media telling you , son rofl
YOU BASTARD!
IMA KILL YOU MADAFAKA!
:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

cut
04-17-2004, 03:44 PM
I don't have a problem with it really, it doesn't really matter as much as the Yassin killing and since the Bush/Sharon aggreement this week, you might as well kill all the palestinians you want ahh? :roll: no we are going after ONLY those leaders and those that mastermind and those that purposely and intentionally for the most part ONLY target and kill our citizens and civilians

We aren’t going after anyone else (please offer some intellectual honesty for once and frame this a bit better then how you have done it above :roll: ).

Lets be clear on that!!


as someone said when yassin was killed the palestianians are going to keep sucide bombing regardless now that sharon and push ahve decided to piss them off.what? now that we have?? :roll: ....no man in their eyes we have pissed them off for years now, no change from this action or what Sharon or bush did


I repeat again

........and I repeat my post from the other similur thread

Yep we are after them big time!! :D


Oh and I remember last time after Yassin was killed, all the detractors here said it was a terrible thing because now Hamas will revenge blah blah or that it will just create more blah blah blah (as if they weren’t lining up before anyways :roll: )


The bottom line is this.

Hamas has been on a systematic campaign of terror for the past few years now and this whole notion of revenge for them is BS for they attempt and attack regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, the same is for their ominous announcements that Israel will pay big time for that too has been said from the beginning and it is always repeated so nothing new here.

Before the yassin killing they were trying and after they were trying….no difference in the amount of attempts from before and after.

Before Israel went after them a little over two years ago in a bigger way, there was a homicide bombing and shooting attacks almost daily and for sure weekly and now after the IDF actions, it has been dramatically reduced by over fifty percent to where even after yassin is killed and they said that Israel would pay for that immediately they couldn’t pull it off.

Of course I believe there will be another homicide bombing for there is no 100 percent ay to stop everyone, but we have limited them big time and are going to limit it even more with some of the bigger moves that we are making (the completion of the anti terror security fence and a few other things)


Shalom :D



Again this doesn't look good for Iraq too. Yes us defending ourselves and going after these terrorists pisses off other Arabs……….and?? your point???

Shalom :D


what are all the :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: for?

I was agreeing with you for once! :D

AirZone
04-17-2004, 03:44 PM
OMFG JAVENH ! becuase of you i had to change news while my little sister is watching scobido ! she allmost killed me !!!!

i was so worried :|

mustamato
04-17-2004, 03:45 PM
And that toad Sharon was just in Washington, I guess Bush approved the strike.

http://www.iranvision.com/images/infinitejest/card-ariel_sharon_butcher.jpg

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:46 PM
OMFG JAVENH ! becuase of you i had to change news while my little sister is watching scobido ! she allmost killed me !!!!

i was so worried :|
Yeah lets get together and smack the madafaka around a bit. I will bring some anti-tank stuff :lol:

Elmo
04-17-2004, 03:47 PM
WAW !! WTF !!
Just heard on the news , Rantisi isn't dead , it was false , the f*** is still alive , god damnit !! The biaches talled he is dead to earn some time , f*** hell !!
AWWW...****.
Link me.

Psich .... rofl
April's fools day ;) ;) .
The sucker is raped by 72 virgin boys in slow motion , right now as i write those lines .

Don't bellieve everything Media telling you , son rofl

Among the weirdest stuff I ever came across even on the internet. Evil.

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:47 PM
And that toad Sharon was just in Washington, I guess Bush approved the strike.

http://www.iranvision.com/images/infinitejest/card-ariel_sharon_butcher.jpg
TOAD! rofl rofl rofl rofl
Anyway, what does meat in the poster have to do with anything?

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:48 PM
what are all the :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: for?

I was agreeing with you for once! :DWell these were for the way you framed your statments :roll: ;)

Anways I am glad that now you agree with me, though it didnt seem that way before ;)

In truth, you can agree or disagree with me and thats cool, all I am doing is responding to your statments and frankly I had a bit of a problem with some of yours even if as you say now that we are in agreenment ;)

Shalom :roll: (;))

AirZone
04-17-2004, 03:48 PM
OMFG JAVENH ! becuase of you i had to change news while my little sister is watching scobido ! she allmost killed me !!!!

i was so worried :|
Yeah lets get together and smack the madafaka around a bit. I will bring some anti-tank stuff :lol:

Allright ! i will bring some small arms... :lol:

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:49 PM
And that toad Sharon was just in Washington, I guess Bush approved the strike.

hahaha :lol: yep you seem pissed hahaha rofl rofl

I guess you as well got Sharoned :P

Shalom :D

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 03:50 PM
And that toad Sharon was just in Washington, I guess Bush approved the strike.


The strike was approved a few months ago

A man who ordered terror attacks was killed today - those who happy are good and those who sad are evil. (J.W.BUSH - and I agree)

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 03:52 PM
http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/photos/data/500/678840600deb16dc4d47.jpg
gotta edit the picture now ;)

mustamato
04-17-2004, 03:53 PM
Yeah toad, sure doesn´t look like a dove to me.

http://midiaindependente.org/icon/2002/07/232381.gif

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 03:54 PM
wow musta now is acting like a whiny child

haha :lol: gotta love it :P

yep he's pissed :D rofl rofl

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 03:54 PM
That looks like something I ate last night

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 03:55 PM
Yeah toad, sure doesn´t look like a dove to me.

http://midiaindependente.org/icon/2002/07/232381.gif
I think the $ sign on his tie, qualifies this as an anti-semetic piece.

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 03:55 PM
wow musta now is acting like a whiny child

haha :lol: gotta love it :P

yep he's pissed :D rofl rofl

I think he is virginophobic - he thinks Sharon won't leave any virgins for him...

AirZone
04-17-2004, 04:01 PM
Musta i have a suggesta.. why not be a blasta for the hamas ? :roll:
(but while you do it... you will have a "work accident")

Elmo
04-17-2004, 04:03 PM
A man who ordered terror attacks was killed today - those who happy are good and those who sad are evil. (J.W.BUSH - and I agree)

Great to hear you have figured it all out! What simplicity, what logic! Let us joy that citizen-k has categorized everyone in his black and white, good and evil, immoral reality.

cut
04-17-2004, 04:04 PM
Yeah toad, sure doesn´t look like a dove to me.

http://midiaindependente.org/icon/2002/07/232381.gif
I think the $ sign on his tie, qualifies this as an anti-semetic piece.

what are you nuts? Anti-sharon anti-israeli (government) maybe, in fact probably, but anti-semite? no-way, that is in no-way a slander on jews.

fdt
04-17-2004, 04:06 PM
One **** less... so what? There comes another ******** and another... and another and another... Palestinian women are fertile... Raytheon can make a ****pile of Hellfires (as paid from FMS)... There comes one year after another... and nothing really changes...

mustamato
04-17-2004, 04:06 PM
http://midiaindependente.org/icon/2002/07/232381.gif

killed ... nine children...



rofl rofl

I fail to see what is so funny with that. I can´t really say that I´m pissed off,
people gets murdered everyday by Israelis, and occasionally Israelis gets
murdered as well. It´s simply something that happens daily. Interesting to see
your reactions though. But I guess it works both ways, few care when jews
gets killed nowadays. Luckily for me, I´m neither a jew or a Palestinian. :)

alexbmn
04-17-2004, 04:11 PM
I'm sorry that the following post isnt in English but ita adressed to the russian(Israeli) speakers here. I thought it was a pretty funny take on the subject.

После ликвидации шейха Ясина Израиль уничтожил его наследника, доктора Рантиси. Он скончался на операционном столе. Об этом сообщил один из боевиков ХАМАСа, находившийся с ним в одной больнице «Шифа». О смерти Рантиси передают все арабские новостные агентства, а ХАМАС уже опубликовал декларации с призывом отомстить за смерть Рантиси.

Вскоре после теракта на КПП Эрез, в ходе которого один солдат пограничной полиции погиб, а трое израильтян были ранены, израильские вертолеты выпустили ракетный залп по машине, в которой ехал в сопровождении телохранителей бывший детский врач, а ныне шахид, Абед Эль-Азиз Рантиси. В полет к гуриям рая доктора Рантиси будут сопровождать его восемнадцатилетний сын Мухаммед и личный шофер Акрам Насар.

Это был первый выезд доктора Рантиси на автомобиле. До этого он передвигался только пешком, и только в сопровождении мощного живого щита. Рантиси был смертельно ранен, и скончался уже в больнице. Сам Рантиси сказал, что предпочитает умереть как мужчина, от разрыва ракеты, а не разрыва сердца. Израиль постарался исполнить его желание как можно скорее. Как поделят в лучшем из миров руководство ХАМАСом шейх Ясин и доктор Рантиси, не сообщается. На земле руководство ХАМАСа приняло решение не назначать главаря этой террористической организации из рядов руководства в секторе Газы. Поэтому временно исполняющим обязанности главаря ХАМАСа назначен Халед Машаль, проживающий в Дамаске.

Как только Рантиси сменил шейха Ясина на посту главаря ХАМАСа, он начал делать грозные заявления в адрес Израиля и обещал нанести смертельный удар по Израилю. «Я прошу Аллаха, чтобы наша реакция стала катастрофой по своим масштабам». Доктор Рантиси полагает, а Аллах располагает.

Вначале с вертолета была выпущена ракета по электрическому столбу, и свет в центре Газы был вырублен. После этого с вертолета выпустили две ракеты по джипу Рантиси. Как сообщают источники ХАМАСа, в этой машине находилась жена Рантиси. Они ничего не сообщают о ее состоянии и местонахождении.

Обгоревшая, разбитая машина осталась на дороге возле дома Рантиси, в квартале Шейх Радуан, в 100 метрах от того места, где похоронен шейх Ясин. Из машины было извлечено одно обгоревшее тело, а сам Рантиси получил ранения, несовместимые с жизнью. Он умер через пять минут после прибытия в больницу.

ХАМАС уже клянется отомстить Израилю и вести бескомпромиссную борьбу до полного уничтожения государства Израиль. На улицы Газы вышли тысячи боевиков, требующих немедленной мести

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 04:15 PM
A man who ordered terror attacks was killed today - those who happy are good and those who sad are evil. (J.W.BUSH - and I agree)

Great to hear you have figured it all out! What simplicity, what logic! Let us joy that citizen-k has categorized everyone in his black and white, good and evil, immoral reality.

Rantisi is BAD - it's not black or white... Ordering to blow up a school bus in order to kill school kids (6-9 years old) is BAD no matter what.

Supporting him/feeling sad that he won't plan any more burning school buses is also BAD.

And yes, I paint it black and white - if you want to have me killed - your bad.

And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Javehn
04-17-2004, 04:15 PM
New news from AP !! Heads up !


Sheyh Ahmad Yassin , the spiritual leader of Hamas movement , has ressurected from death as Saroman , and brought back an army of 72 virgins with him . He constructing the army of crusaders , to reconquer holly Jerusalem , and with Frodo's help . Sauron responded , and condemened the act , saying that it's unprovocted Israeli action ment to conquer the Ring , and rape Golum . Israel should instantly withdraw from shire , and return to mid land borders . The act was also condemned by Elf council .
AP Associated , Reporter /Photographer : Javehn Superjavehn .




BTW Mashal , you are next , and nothing would save you know . Run Tissi Run ...

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 04:18 PM
I'm sorry that the following post isnt in English but ita adressed to the russian(Israeli) speakers here. I thought it was a pretty funny take on the subject.

После ликвидации шейха Ясина Израиль уничтожил его наследника, доктора Рантиси. Он скончался на операционном столе. Об этом сообщил один из боевиков ХАМАСа, находившийся с ним в одной больнице «Шифа». О смерти Рантиси передают все арабские новостные агентства, а ХАМАС уже опубликовал декларации с призывом отомстить за смерть Рантиси.

Вскоре после теракта на КПП Эрез, в ходе которого один солдат пограничной полиции погиб, а трое израильтян были ранены, израильские вертолеты выпустили ракетный залп по машине, в которой ехал в сопровождении телохранителей бывший детский врач, а ныне шахид, Абед Эль-Азиз Рантиси. В полет к гуриям рая доктора Рантиси будут сопровождать его восемнадцатилетний сын Мухаммед и личный шофер Акрам Насар.

Это был первый выезд доктора Рантиси на автомобиле. До этого он передвигался только пешком, и только в сопровождении мощного живого щита. Рантиси был смертельно ранен, и скончался уже в больнице. Сам Рантиси сказал, что предпочитает умереть как мужчина, от разрыва ракеты, а не разрыва сердца. Израиль постарался исполнить его желание как можно скорее. Как поделят в лучшем из миров руководство ХАМАСом шейх Ясин и доктор Рантиси, не сообщается. На земле руководство ХАМАСа приняло решение не назначать главаря этой террористической организации из рядов руководства в секторе Газы. Поэтому временно исполняющим обязанности главаря ХАМАСа назначен Халед Машаль, проживающий в Дамаске.

Как только Рантиси сменил шейха Ясина на посту главаря ХАМАСа, он начал делать грозные заявления в адрес Израиля и обещал нанести смертельный удар по Израилю. «Я прошу Аллаха, чтобы наша реакция стала катастрофой по своим масштабам». Доктор Рантиси полагает, а Аллах располагает.

Вначале с вертолета была выпущена ракета по электрическому столбу, и свет в центре Газы был вырублен. После этого с вертолета выпустили две ракеты по джипу Рантиси. Как сообщают источники ХАМАСа, в этой машине находилась жена Рантиси. Они ничего не сообщают о ее состоянии и местонахождении.

Обгоревшая, разбитая машина осталась на дороге возле дома Рантиси, в квартале Шейх Радуан, в 100 метрах от того места, где похоронен шейх Ясин. Из машины было извлечено одно обгоревшее тело, а сам Рантиси получил ранения, несовместимые с жизнью. Он умер через пять минут после прибытия в больницу.

ХАМАС уже клянется отомстить Израилю и вести бескомпромиссную борьбу до полного уничтожения государства Израиль. На улицы Газы вышли тысячи боевиков, требующих немедленной мести
Hehe, even when israelis miss, they still manage to hit something. Cant beat that. rofl
Bwahhahahah, some funky wording.

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 04:19 PM
Yeah toad, sure doesn´t look like a dove to me.

http://midiaindependente.org/icon/2002/07/232381.gif
I think the $ sign on his tie, qualifies this as an anti-semetic piece.

what are you nuts? Anti-sharon anti-israeli (government) maybe, in fact probably, but anti-semite? no-way, that is in no-way a slander on jews.
I dont see how a $ sign could be relevant to sharon, likud or Israel, except for the stereotype that all jews love money, or something like that.
If you have a different interpretation, I would like to look at it.

Pooga
04-17-2004, 04:20 PM
Hey musta, bud pal, what were those nine children doing around a Hamas leader? Drinking KoolAid and eating hotdogs?

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 04:23 PM
mustamato

Wow you linked my laughs to an event that happened over a year ago.

How pathetic :roll:

No get this clear. I was laughing at YOU and not at any event that happened over a year ago. More specificaly I was laughing on how juvenile YOU got to Israels killing today of the hamas terrorist leader

I must say this was pretty pathetic in trying to link my laughs to that event when what I said was clearly addressed to you and only you.

But pathetic from you is what I have come to expect already.


One f*** less... so what? There comes another f*** and another... and another and another... Palestinian women are fertile... Raytheon can make a ****pile of Hellfires (as paid from FMS)... There comes one year after another... and nothing really changes... No it has changed. We have gone after them and guess what, terrorism attacks have been reduced by over fifty percent.

We have limited it big time.

Of course their desire is still there and IMO it was there before and now and always and it would be regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, but we have limited their success big time and that IMO has changed things!!

I repeat yet again....

........and I repeat my post from the other similur thread

Yep we are after them big time!! :D


Oh and I remember last time after Yassin was killed, all the detractors here said it was a terrible thing because now Hamas will revenge blah blah or that it will just create more blah blah blah (as if they weren’t lining up before anyways :roll: )


The bottom line is this.

Hamas has been on a systematic campaign of terror for the past few years now and this whole notion of revenge for them is BS for they attempt and attack regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, the same is for their ominous announcements that Israel will pay big time for that too has been said from the beginning and it is always repeated so nothing new here.

Before the yassin killing they were trying and after they were trying….no difference in the amount of attempts from before and after.

Before Israel went after them a little over two years ago in a bigger way, there was a homicide bombing and shooting attacks almost daily and for sure weekly and now after the IDF actions, it has been dramatically reduced by over fifty percent to where even after yassin is killed and they said that Israel would pay for that immediately they couldn’t pull it off.

Of course I believe there will be another homicide bombing for there is no 100 percent ay to stop everyone, but we have limited them big time and are going to limit it even more with some of the bigger moves that we are making (the completion of the anti terror security fence and a few other things)


Shalom :D

Elmo
04-17-2004, 04:24 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".

usa320
04-17-2004, 04:25 PM
http://home.houston.rr.com/gopha1/other/sharowned.jpg

This man was a dead man walking. The world is far safer now.

The pals said after Yassin got offed that there would be revenge. But there was none.

I think that killing the Hamas Leadership really is making a difference.

Javehn
04-17-2004, 04:25 PM
Alex, can you please translate me what's written on Russian stuff ? Intereresting to know . They are condemning the act ,or not ?

Thanks

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 04:29 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".
Very well worded Elmo...hats off to that.

StarvingStudent47
04-17-2004, 04:29 PM
When Israel's haters run out of legitimate arguments, two things always pop up:

1) Jews are greedy (the dollar sign on the tie)
2) Sharon is ugly (like it matters? Jessica Simpson is hot, but would you want her running your country?)

I'd also be interested in the translation of the Russian stuff.

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 04:29 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".

I defined who my "bad" people are - sick terrorists like Rantisi, Yassin, OBL and Arafat.

I know you hear little voices in your head saying "he said he wants to kill all the Palestinians" - but these are just the little voices in your head... nothing a psychiatrist can't cure.

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 04:30 PM
Alex, can you please translate me what's written on Russian stuff ? Intereresting to know . They are condemning the act ,or not ?

Thanks
Ti che muzhik, po "RUSSIT" ne chitayesh? :D

StarvingStudent47
04-17-2004, 04:30 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".

FDR and Churchill also talked that way. Does that mean they were "no better than the Nazis"? Because that's about as sophisticated as your argument is.

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 04:31 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".
Very well worded Elmo...hats off to that.

little voices in the head? ask Elmo for a good psychotherapist.

(I guess mustamato can assist you as well)

Javehn
04-17-2004, 04:33 PM
Alex, can you please translate me what's written on Russian stuff ? Intereresting to know . They are condemning the act ,or not ?

Thanks
Ti che muzhik, po "RUSSIT" ne chitayesh? :D


Ой .... Я совсем забыл !

:bash:
Щас бы мужик полчаса бы потратил на перевод , а я бы обломал его .

rofl

I am bad madafaka .

Mr. Nielsen
04-17-2004, 04:34 PM
There haven't been a palestinian terror bombing in a long time and the long expected revenge for the killing of sheikh Yassin haven't happened.

Perhaps Sharon has reached the conclusion that Rantissi was incompetent?

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 04:37 PM
There haven't been a palestinian terror bombing in a long time and the long expected revenge for the killing of sheikh Yassin haven't happened.

Perhaps Sharon has reached the conclusion that Rantissi was incompetent?

rofl


No, he reached the (logical) conclusion that killing the leaders (works with every Arab military formation) makes their organization incompetent.

Taking out your personal point of view, it's a funny idea...

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 04:37 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".
Very well worded Elmo...hats off to that.

little voices in the head? ask Elmo for a good psychotherapist.

(I guess mustamato can assist you as well)
Actually I think you are the one with voices in his head. After all we arent the ones defending a cold blooded murderous act that will only incite more violence!

Elmo
04-17-2004, 04:37 PM
I defined who my "bad" people are - sick terrorists like Rantisi, Yassin, OBL and Arafat.

I know you hear little voices in your head saying "he said he wants to kill all the Palestinians".

You brought that up all by yourself.
With your attitude of two extremes, you'll always find new bad guys to replace the ones already killed. You need them in order to define yourself. Sad.


- but these are just the little voices in your head... nothing a psychiatrist can't cure.

Smooth.

Marmot1
04-17-2004, 04:38 PM
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/5093/sharowned.jpg
rofl

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 04:38 PM
There haven't been a palestinian terror bombing in a long time and the long expected revenge for the killing of sheikh Yassin haven't happened.

Perhaps Sharon has reached the conclusion that Rantissi was incompetent?no there has been numerous attempts and plenty of IDF captures and thwartings of those attampts so their attempts under both leaders were at around the same level.

Even before the yassin killings there weren’t too many attacks due to the IDF actions.

Under both it has been at the same level of desire and attempts.

Shalom :D

AirZone
04-17-2004, 04:38 PM
You know why we didnt see any suicide bombing after yassin ? becuase of IDF/ShinBet (Sabach)/Israeli Police

thanks to those guys i sleep well woot woot woot woot

StarvingStudent47
04-17-2004, 04:38 PM
Actually I think you are the one with voices in his head. After all we arent the ones defending a cold blooded murderous act that will only incite more violence!

So I guess you'd oppose killing Osama Bin Laden as well? Not to intrude, but I'm just trying to figure out whether you're a hippie or a hypocrite.

citizen-k
04-17-2004, 04:39 PM
And bad people should be dead. (they even rhyme...bad/dead)

Got a problem with that? join Al-Quida or Hammas, cause thats where you will find others who share your point of view.

Yes, I do have a problem. Your attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Join Al-Qaeda? Hamas? Most definately not, those guys are as disturbed as you are. See, they also categorize people and then wish death to those who they label bad. Just like you -"bad people should be dead".
Very well worded Elmo...hats off to that.

little voices in the head? ask Elmo for a good psychotherapist.

(I guess mustamato can assist you as well)
Actually I think you are the one with voices in his head. After all we arent the ones defending a cold blooded murderous act that will only incite more violence!

Cold blooded murderous act of killing a terror organization leader?

rofl

Forget about therapy, You need a semantics teacher.

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 04:42 PM
Actually I think you are the one with voices in his head. After all we arent the ones defending a cold blooded murderous act that will only incite more violence!

So I guess you'd oppose killing Osama Bin Laden as well? Not to intrude, but I'm just trying to figure out whether you're a hippie or a hypocrite.
If it means we launch a missile at him in the middle of a crouded street,
yes. Both of our countries have the covert capabilities to perform a surgical strike, but then we wouldnt be able to demonstrate our enormous power to the rest of the world.
Look up the word terrorist and then post it on the forum!

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 04:42 PM
When Israel's haters run out of legitimate arguments, two things always pop up:

1) Jews are greedy (the dollar sign on the tie)
2) Sharon is ugly (like it matters? Jessica Simpson is hot, but would you want her running your country?)
Great post!!

Yep as you can see the cartoons and the photoshop on Sharon is in full gear by some already :roll:

oh well it just further proves your point :D

Shalom :D

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 04:43 PM
Alex, can you please translate me what's written on Russian stuff ? Intereresting to know . They are condemning the act ,or not ?

Thanks
Ti che muzhik, po "RUSSIT" ne chitayesh? :D


Ой .... Я совсем забыл !

:bash:
Щас бы мужик полчаса бы потратил на перевод , а я бы обломал его .

rofl

I am bad madafaka .

rofl rofl rofl

fdt
04-17-2004, 04:45 PM
One f*** less... so what? There comes another f*** and another... and another and another... Palestinian women are fertile... Raytheon can make a ****pile of Hellfires (as paid from FMS)... There comes one year after another... and nothing really changes... No it has changed. We have gone after them and guess what, terrorism attacks have been reduced by over fifty percent.

We have limited it big time.

Of course their desire is still there and IMO it was there before and now and always and it would be regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, but we have limited their success big time and that IMO has changed things!!
I am happy for You that You feel the difference...
You say attacks have halved... in comparison to what period? Be aware of statistics... 50% of 2003 attacks is how many victims? 100% of 1995 attacks is how many victims? One period is (relatively) calm another blows You in the face... Ups and downs.... for how many years? Don't remember, but it's longer than You and I live... Hopes and disappointments... I must say that I've become numb and indifferent about the situation... I am no longer able to rejoice another dead f*uck, there will be more of them.... so as I can't no longer properly mourn the dead innocents who are on both sides in this conflict. It's year after year... bomb after bomb ... dead after dead. I became to wonder if any of the people on both sides can imagine a different life than You have now. A safe Israel which doesn't need thousands of tanks and airplanes to defend itself. Life where girls and boys don't have to go to draft. Life without seeing the men in uniforms on streets. Life where You don't see hot girls going to park with a beretta or S&W attached to the belt... All this became so common that I bet You don't even notice this.... and that's why I ask if You still can imagine a different life... do You still want it?

hey
04-17-2004, 04:54 PM
you'll always find new bad guys to replace the ones already killed. You need them in order to define yourself. Sad.

I realy can't understand how in your moral values, people (for exmple: Rantisi) that all what they do in their daily life is planning and exacuting terror attckas, that kills intentionly innocent children women and men. how this people aren't bad people.

Sometimes life is simple.

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:06 PM
I realy can't understand how in your moral values, people (for exmple: Rantisi) that all what they do in their daily life is planning and exacuting terror attckas, that kills intentionly innocent children women and men. how this people aren't bad people.

Sometimes life is simple.
Who are you talking about, the IAF?

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 05:06 PM
Both of our countries have the covert capabilities to perform a surgical strike, Indeed and Israel hitting exactly his car IS a surgical strike!!


I am happy for You that You feel the difference...
You say attacks have halved... in comparison to what period? in comparison to before we went back in and acted offensively against the terrorists.

Listen from 2000 to April 2002, Israel had a homicide bombing and shooting attack almost daily and for sure weekly.

After the Passover massacre in april of 2002, Israel finally for the first time went back in and started to go on the offensive in a much bigger way (before that time, except for a few surgical attacks, we never entered into pali’ areas and militarily we were just in defensive positions outside of pali areas)

So from that time till now and especially last year, a fact is that there has been a over fifty percent reduction in the number of successful homicide bombing attacks and even a higher percentage of shooting attacks have dropped (and that wasnt for any lack of them trying for believe me they were!!)

Of course I don’t think we can stop them all and I too believe that there will be another homicide bombing but a fact is that what we have done has worked in limiting it big time.

Their attempts are still high and are still as was before, but their success are not and that is due to IDF actions.

I say we feel a change for if the IDF didn’t act as it did the past two years, the daily or weekly rate (and sometimes it was even twice a day) of homicide bombing attacks would not have stopped but the fact is that, that high rate has stopped and it is ONLY due to the IDF actions that it has indeed been reduced.



and that's why I ask if You still can imagine a different life... do You still want it? of course I want it differently!! Of course I want peace!! And I wish we had it!! But to be honest indeed I am pessimistic for I believe that a lot (not all but IMO alot) of the pali’s do not (and IMO never have) given up on wanting the whole Israel and that no matter what Israel offers them or does or doesn’t do, there is still Large elements that fight (or those that don’t fight, they support) for the whole Israel and till that goal and desire changes there be no chance for real peace, though frankly the incitement and non acceptance of Israel that is taught in schools, even that was the case in the Oslo years, well I cant see it happening any time soon no matter what Israel does or doesn’t do, and as such unfortunately my pessimism will persist.

Shalom

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 05:08 PM
I realy can't understand how in your moral values, people (for exmple: Rantisi) that all what they do in their daily life is planning and exacuting terror attckas, that kills intentionly innocent children women and men. how this people aren't bad people.

Sometimes life is simple.
Who are you talking about, the IAF?no the IAF does NOT purposely and intentionally target civilians as Hamas mostly does.

gees get a grip on reality :roll:

Shalom :D

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:11 PM
Both of our countries have the covert capabilities to perform a surgical strike, Indeed and Israel hitting exactly his car IS a surgical strike!!
NO THE HELL IT IS NOT!!! It's stomping, wrecklesly around NOT GIVING TWO ****S ABOUT WHO GETS IN THE WAY!!

mustamato
04-17-2004, 05:12 PM
Indeed and Israel hitting exactly his car IS a surgical strike!!

Yeah and killing a couple of innocent people that just happens to be there
at the same time when the car passes them and it´s hit by a Hellfire. It´s
like going to the dentist because there is a hole in one tooth, he fixes it but
pulls out 9 other teeths at the same time. Surgical strike. Tactical dentist.

sierraone
04-17-2004, 05:13 PM
Once again, as with the elimination of Ahmed Yassin, my congratulations and joy go out to the Israeli people that now one more murderous savage beast is burning in hell! :) ..from Greece

MaDuce
04-17-2004, 05:13 PM
Ok so they should try to hit his car with spikes next time.

hey
04-17-2004, 05:17 PM
I am happy for You that You feel the difference...
You say attacks have halved... in comparison to what period? Be aware of statistics... 50% of 2003 attacks is how many victims? 100% of 1995 attacks is how many victims? One period is (relatively) calm another blows You in the face... Ups and downs.... for how many years? Don't remember, but it's longer than You and I live... Hopes and disappointments... I must say that I've become numb and indifferent about the situation... I am no longer able to rejoice another dead f*uck, there will be more of them.... so as I can't no longer properly mourn the dead innocents who are on both sides in this conflict. It's year after year... bomb after bomb ... dead after dead. I became to wonder if any of the people on both sides can imagine a different life than You have now. A safe Israel which doesn't need thousands of tanks and airplanes to defend itself. Life where girls and boys don't have to go to draft. Life without seeing the men in uniforms on streets. Life where You don't see hot girls going to park with a beretta or S&W attached to the belt... All this became so common that I bet You don't even notice this.... and that's why I ask if You still can imagine a different life... do You still want it?

from the day Israel was born , the Israeli people wish that peace will come , countless songs were written about it, stories , books. every man woman and children in Israel wants peace! want a calm life!

Israelis CAN imagine life when they dont need do draft , and can go to a calm ride on a bus. we dont need you to help us imagine it.
You dont live in Israel nor in the plestinan terretories, so you DO NOT understand anything , you dont know what Israel did and still do for peace, maybe you dont wanna know.
You look on everything with your Europiens or american eyes.
you dont understand how the thing work in this region.
So, please stop with posts like this, we dont need you to help us know what is good for us.

I belive that some on this board belive they are morally above Israelis, I just wanna see how their nations would act in simmialr conditions as Israel had to face in the last 56 years.

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:17 PM
I realy can't understand how in your moral values, people (for exmple: Rantisi) that all what they do in their daily life is planning and exacuting terror attckas, that kills intentionly innocent children women and men. how this people aren't bad people.

Sometimes life is simple.
Who are you talking about, the IAF?no the IAF does NOT purposely and intentionally target civilians as Hamas mostly does.

gees get a grip on reality :roll:

Shalom :D
OH PLEASE, spare me the excuses! As if you dont know ahead of time launching a rocket into a crowded street will kill inocents!? Are you that stupid? You cant tell me Israel tries to prevent civilian casualties when they go around blowing everything up with missiles! So even though you know ahead of time the attack, that it will kill civilians, you still REFUSE to change tactics to spare inocent lives, so I quess that could be considered intentional!

Fintin
04-17-2004, 05:24 PM
yes its sad that there were casualtys besides the main target....but maybe one day these two groups of people will go Hatefield an McCoy on us and a few will get married, there will be a nice white wedding and boom love all around

Elmo
04-17-2004, 05:26 PM
I belive that some on this board belive they are morally above Israelis, I just wanna see how their nations would act in simmialr conditions as Israel had to face in the last 56 years.

Yes, Israel is the victim here, naturally.

I also wonder how people would act in similar conditons as palestinians had to face in the last 56 years.

ExtraT
04-17-2004, 05:26 PM
Yeah toad, sure doesn´t look like a dove to me.

http://midiaindependente.org/icon/2002/07/232381.gif


Keep up the good work, Musto! It's always good to know who you eally are. And I don't mean a Star Wars fan :)

hey
04-17-2004, 05:27 PM
OH PLEASE, spare me the excuses! As if you dont know ahead of time launching a rocket into a crowded street will kill inocents!? Are you that stupid? You cant tell me Israel tries to prevent civilian casualties when they go around blowing everything up with missiles! So even though you know ahead of time the attack, that it will kill civilians, you still REFUSE to change tactics to spare inocent lives, so I quess that could be considered intentional!

The two poeple killed with Rantisi were his bodygurds, and they were in the car with him.
they are not realy "inocent lives" as you said or "innocent people that just happens to be there
at the same time" as mustamato said.

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:28 PM
Yes, Israel is the victim here, naturally.
Yeah, I feel so much sypathy for the poor helpless Israeli's always getting picked on by the big bad palestinians.

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:29 PM
OH PLEASE, spare me the excuses! As if you dont know ahead of time launching a rocket into a crowded street will kill inocents!? Are you that stupid? You cant tell me Israel tries to prevent civilian casualties when they go around blowing everything up with missiles! So even though you know ahead of time the attack, that it will kill civilians, you still REFUSE to change tactics to spare inocent lives, so I quess that could be considered intentional!

The two poeple killed with Rantisi were his bodygurds, and they were in the car with him.
they are not realy "inocent lives" as you said or "innocent people that just happens to be there
at the same time" as mustamato said.
What about all the other strikes?

hey
04-17-2004, 05:31 PM
hey wrote:



I belive that some on this board belive they are morally above Israelis, I just wanna see how their nations would act in simmialr conditions as Israel had to face in the last 56 years.

Yes, Israel is the victim here, naturally.

those two lines only told you that i just wanna know how you would act.

there is no refrence to "israel is a victim" exprassion.

I dont need your or anyone's sympathy

Fox2
04-17-2004, 05:31 PM
Yeah, I feel so much sypathy for the poor helpless Israeli's always getting picked on by the big bad palestinians.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Fintin
04-17-2004, 05:32 PM
so i had a burger and frys for lunch today...not too good...i got to go feed the dog soon then walk it....then its BOWLING..too cool..so ping pong rocks....discuss this from now on

Operation Ivy
04-17-2004, 05:33 PM
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/5093/sharowned.jpg
rofl

rofl

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 05:33 PM
when they go around blowing everything up with missiles! hey idiot (as you so kindly insiuated that I am one :roll: ) if we did what you just said, there wouldn’t any pali buildings left!! Period!!

Or rather if we dropped bombs like the U.S. did after saddam before they got lucky and arrested him well that too would be a bit harsher then anything that Israel has done.

we dont blow every thing at all!! we surgicly strike!!

The rest I will answer in my response to mustamato



Indeed and Israel hitting exactly his car IS a surgical strike!!

Yeah and killing a couple of innocent people that just happens to be there
at the same time when the car passes them and it´s hit by a Hellfire. First of all on the hamas hit today hit I don’t believe any “innocent” people were killed (though if I am wrong then I stand corrected).

Secondly it’s like this. Indeed when an innocent person is killed it is tragic and unlike a lot of pali’s when one of our innocents are killed, none of us celebrates an innocents death, however this is a war (and unfortunately civilians die in war even if one tries thier best to avoid it) and these terrorists need to be taken out before they can target or plan more innocents death which they mostly ONLY target.

Secondly we don’t target innocents at all (if we did there wouldn’t be any left), and when hamas surrounds themselves with civilians we try our best to avoid it (and indeed a lot of operations are called off when it is very crowded etc. I my self-have not shot at any pali gunman when I saw civilians around.) but frankly its impossible at times to avoid it at all times and indeed it is tragic when an innocent is killed, but the blame is on them for shielding themselves amongst civilians while planning and sending out more homicide bombers to purposely and intentionally target civilians.

Anyways I leave you here with this pic (this is just one of many) to show how thse “innocents” always end up near these killers.
http://www.israel-wat.com/abuse.jpg

Shalom :D

Fintin
04-17-2004, 05:39 PM
wheres the love...wheres the ping pong.....why cant you people just not yell....it makes me sad....the world is a jacked up place....no one is perfect, leaders do dumb stuff some times....on both sides....if we could all just sit back for a second and relize we all still have our lives...we shouldnt be complaining.....

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:39 PM
when they go around blowing everything up with missiles! hey idiot (as you so kindly insiuated that I am one :roll: ) if we did what you just said, there wouldn’t any pali buildings left!! Period!!

Or rather if we dropped bombs like the U.S. did after saddam before they got lucky and arrested him well that too would be a bit harsher then anything that Israel has done.

we dont blow every thing at all!! we surgicly strike!!
LMAO sure...HAHAHAHAHAaaa that was funny.

Fox2
04-17-2004, 05:41 PM
I'd like to remind the Israelis here that certain Americans do not represent all. ;) So, please, regardless of what certain less knowledgeable Americans will allege, don't give in and slander the rest of us. Thanks.

chauncy republicans
04-17-2004, 05:43 PM
hey idiot (as you so kindly insiuated that I am one :roll: )
I couldnt have came to that conclusion without your help. ;)

Fintin
04-17-2004, 05:44 PM
hey idiot (as you so kindly insiuated that I am one :roll: )
I couldnt have came to that conclusion without your help. ;)

play nice or you dont get a beer next time i buy.....

IDFM203
04-17-2004, 05:44 PM
when they go around blowing everything up with missiles! hey idiot (as you so kindly insiuated that I am one :roll: ) if we did what you just said, there wouldn’t any pali buildings left!! Period!!

Or rather if we dropped bombs like the U.S. did after saddam before they got lucky and arrested him well that too would be a bit harsher then anything that Israel has done.

we dont blow every thing at all!! we surgicly strike!!
LMAO sure...HAHAHAHAHAaaa that was funny. :roll: Yep and here I thought id give it a try and engage in a conversation with the kids here.

Big mistake!!

ok go flame me more with your stupid one liners for I am done with you here.

or rather I'll perhaps try again with you when you make any effort on acting intelligent or at least acting like an adult.

Until then Shalom to you :D

fdt
04-17-2004, 05:48 PM
I am happy for You that You feel the difference...
You say attacks have halved... in comparison to what period? Be aware of statistics... 50% of 2003 attacks is how many victims? 100% of 1995 attacks is how many victims? One period is (relatively) calm another blows You in the face... Ups and downs.... for how many years? Don't remember, but it's longer than You and I live... Hopes and disappointments... I must say that I've become numb and indifferent about the situation... I am no longer able to rejoice another dead f*uck, there will be more of them.... so as I can't no longer properly mourn the dead innocents who are on both sides in this conflict. It's year after year... bomb after bomb ... dead after dead. I became to wonder if any of the people on both sides can imagine a different life than You have now. A safe Israel which doesn't need thousands of tanks and airplanes to defend itself. Life where girls and boys don't have to go to draft. Life without seeing the men in uniforms on streets. Life where You don't see hot girls going to park with a beretta or S&W attached to the belt... All this became so common that I bet You don't even notice this.... and that's why I ask if You still can imagine a different life... do You still want it?

from the day Israel was born , the Israeli people wish that peace will come , countless songs were written about it, stories , books. every man woman and children in Israel wants peace! want a calm life!

Israelis CAN imagine life when they dont need do draft , and can go to a calm ride on a bus. we dont need you to help us imagine it.
You dont live in Israel nor in the plestinan terretories, so you DO NOT understand anything , you dont know what Israel did and still do for peace, maybe you dont wanna know.
You look on everything with your Europiens or american eyes.
you dont understand how the thing work in this region.
So, please stop with posts like this, we dont need you to help us know what is good for us.

I belive that some on this board belive they are morally above Israelis, I just wanna see how their nations would act in simmialr conditions as Israel had to face in the last 56 years.Wher did I write that I understand everything? I don't. Your problem seems to be that You Mr hey seem to believe that You understand everything. "European and American eyes" are bad... tell it to Yanks...
:cantbeli:
Where did I preach You about anything. Where did I write anything about morality? I got my eyes not Yours so I watch and see it my own way. Don't expect me to jump of joy only because of another f*ckn' terrorist has been killed... there is and will be many more to eliminate... Your personal problem seems that You are hypraggressive and You choose to preemptively attack people who don't (and didn't had even a intention) attack You. Go and have a cool shower.

Fintin
04-17-2004, 05:49 PM
^hey you play nice too....if you think he is below average intelligence...then let him be...its not nice to pick on people...to defend myself...im sure he is a smart guy...just miss informed or has a different angle of understanding

hey
04-17-2004, 06:06 PM
fdt,

I'm sorry if it looked as I attacked you, maybe i got a bitt angry because of some members here. sorry again.
I just wanted to clearfy that sometimes , people say things about Israelis when they haven't realy talked with them on their opinions and etc.
you asked:
"I ask if You still can imagine a different life... do You still want it?"

I belive this qeustion is a bitt odd.

Do you think we want war? death? man with uniform on the street?
what I tried to say in that post is this:
When you asking this kind of qeustions it's obevies that you dont know about most of what Israel did and still do to make peace. or what is the avrage Israeli state of mind. that's all.

about the eye issuie.
that thingy is because you are far from the conflict. that's why its hard and almost immposible to jduge things that happen here. because you dont have the full picture. only the picture the the middia help you to see.

Flagg
04-17-2004, 06:12 PM
Maybe it's all a big misunderstanding.......

Maybe Mantissi was riding in one of them exploding Ford Pintos:

http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/hartfamily/game/~pictures/pinto.jpg

Fintin
04-17-2004, 06:14 PM
mmm pinto barbaque....tastes like chicken but looks like aunt edna

Mr. Nielsen
04-17-2004, 06:16 PM
about the eye issuie.
that thingy is because you are far from the conflict. that's why its hard and almost immposible to jduge things that happen here. because you dont have the full picture. only the picture the the middia help you to see.

Being in the area will of course give you insights, into the events and experiences of one the two sides, which can't be reached from afar.

But getting close to events, also carries the risk, of loosing the bigger picture.

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 06:18 PM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Yassin/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/06/26/hamas/story.yassin.hamas.jpg
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Rantisi/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/cpress/20040323/capt.w032355a.jpg
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Abu+Shanab/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://images.tvnz.co.nz/news/mideast/Ismail_Abu_Shanab.jpg
The Three Stooges

fdt
04-17-2004, 06:36 PM
STRAIGHT FROM AL-F*CKZEERA!!!

Recent quotes by Abdel Aziz Rantisi
- 17/04/2004 20:30:00 GMT

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=1462

Recent quotes from Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi, who was assassinated Saturday in Gaza Strip.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/pics/1462.jpg

"We knew that Bush is the enemy of God, the enemy of Islam and Muslims. America declared war against God. Sharon declared war against God and God declared war against America, Bush and Sharon. ... The war of God continues against them, and I can see the victory coming up from the land of Palestine by the hand of Hamas." — Last month, after the United States vetoed an United Nations Security Council resoultion condemning Israel for assassinating Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.

"We will be unified in the trenches of resistance. We will not surrender, we will never surrender to Israeli terror." — Last month, after being selected Hamas leader in Gaza after Yassin was killed.

"Yassin is a man in a nation, and a nation in a man. And the retaliation of this nation will be of the size of this man. ... You will see deeds not words." — Last month, after Yassin's assassination.

"We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache." — Last month, after Yassin's assassination

"This operation, whoever is behind it, is a natural reaction for the bloody aggression against our people." — Last September, after deadly suicide bombings at a bus stop crowded with Israeli soldiers near Rishon Letzion and five hours later at a Jerusalem nightspot.

"They think that targeting leaders will stop Jihad (holy war). They are mistaken. ... All of us in Hamas from top to bottom are looking to become like Abu Shanab." — Last August, after Israel killed Yassin aide Ismail Abu Shanab.

"The word cease-fire is not in our dictionary. ... Resistance will continue until we uproot them from our homeland." — Last June, as Egypt tried to work out a truce.

"The Zionists will pay an expensive price for all of their crimes." — Last June, from his hospital bed after a deadly bus bombing in Jerusalem that followed Israel's attempt to kill him.

Macs.
04-17-2004, 06:38 PM
"We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache."
rofl

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 06:43 PM
A comprimise!

hey
04-17-2004, 07:31 PM
Being in the area will of course give you insights, into the events and experiences of one the two sides, which can't be reached from afar.

But getting close to events, also carries the risk, of loosing the bigger picture.

Yes it's a risk.
But it's a risk you must take if realy want to understand whats going on here.

Seoulstriker
04-17-2004, 07:33 PM
"We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache."
rofl

i was going to mention that earlier. looks like he got exactly what he wanted. ;)

seruriermarshal
04-17-2004, 07:55 PM
woot woot woot one terrorist less woot woot woot

woot woot woot woot woot

Flagg
04-17-2004, 08:09 PM
IMMEDIATE VACANCY

Currently seeking applicants for the exciting short-term position of Hamas CEO.

Previous experience not required as it's expected to be only a temporary assignment.

Most competitive terrorist salary and benefits package being offered(please note: excludes life & disability insurance).

All prospective applicants should bring resumes/CVs in person to AMAN HQ, Israel.

Irish_Man
04-17-2004, 08:12 PM
Well, I suppose there is truth in the old saying;

those who live by the sword die by the sword

or would it be more apt to say;

those who live by the suicide bomber die by the hell-fire missile fired by a AH-64 Apache ! :lol:

ShotOver
04-17-2004, 08:41 PM
haha, jeeezz.. didn't see this comming.
That guy really had it comming, haha.

Hooray for IDF woot

Ghostwolf
04-17-2004, 09:18 PM
Now that these animals are "retiring" as fast as they've
become Hamas' fearless leaders, who else is left in the senior
Hamas leadership? I think I am gonna need a list......

Romulus
04-17-2004, 09:18 PM
"Bush has Rantissi's blood on his hands," said Khamis Saadi, among tens of thousands who swept into Gaza's shabby streets.

"All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried.

Hey why not blame the US and Bush. As we all know, we are the reason there is starvation, sickness, hate, and baby puppies being run over in this world.

Good for the IDF. Hope the next 'leader' runs his yapper as much as the last two.

Romulus
04-17-2004, 09:22 PM
EU Slams Rantissi Killing as Unlawful, Provocative
STRAFFAN, Ireland (*******) - Israel's killing of top Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi was unlawful and "not conducive to lowering tension," European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana said Saturday.

"The European Union has consistently condemned extrajudicial killings," Solana said in a statement issued during talks between EU and Asian foreign ministers in Ireland.

"Israel has a right to protect its citizens from terrorist attacks, but actions of this type are not only unlawful, they are not conducive to lowering tension."

Guess the killings of Israeli citizens is considered lawfully OK in his book?

usa320
04-17-2004, 09:24 PM
"All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried.

TRY HIJACKING THIS FAGBAGS!


http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/predator4.jpg

[/quote][/b]

UkrainianAmerican
04-17-2004, 09:29 PM
"All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried.

TRY HIJACKING THIS FAGBAGS!


http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/predator4.jpg

[/b][/quote]
rofl

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 11:09 PM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=AH-64+Apache/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/boeing/ah-64_apache/ah-64-apache9910.jpg
Khalid Mishaal!

J-10
04-18-2004, 12:58 AM
one more reason for revenge and a neverending conflict

I am worried.

J-10
04-18-2004, 01:05 AM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=AH-64+Apache/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/boeing/ah-64_apache/ah-64-apache9910.jpg
Khalid Mishaal!

What kind of the air-to-ground missile? Killed Rantassi.

vikingblade
04-18-2004, 01:18 AM
Rest in Pieces.

Another One Bites The Dust.

citizen-k
04-18-2004, 01:23 AM
"We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache."
rofl


He did not say Apache, he said "Abache" rofl

S'13
04-18-2004, 01:26 AM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=AH-64+Apache/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/boeing/ah-64_apache/ah-64-apache9910.jpg
Khalid Mishaal!

What kind of the air-to-ground missile? Killed Rantassi.

If this assassination was carried out like many other assassinations which were in the past then it's a Hellfire...

http://hometown.aol.com/ah64info/hf_inflt.jpg

S'13
04-18-2004, 01:28 AM
He did not say Apache, he said "Abache" rofl

rofl :lol: rofl :lol: rofl

SeanAshi
04-18-2004, 01:28 AM
What kind of the air-to-ground missile? Killed Rantassi
hellfire, anti-tank missile
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hellfire+anti+tank+missile/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/agm114.jpg

J-10
04-18-2004, 01:44 AM
What kind of the air-to-ground missile? Killed Rantassi.

If this assassination was carried out like many other assassinations which were in the past then it's a Hellfire...

http://hometown.aol.com/ah64info/hf_inflt.jpg




What kind of the air-to-ground missile? Killed Rantassi
hellfire, anti-tank missile
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hellfire+anti+tank+missile/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/agm114.jpg

Thanks you!

Ghostwolf
04-18-2004, 01:53 AM
He did not say Apache, he said "Abache" rofl

Or is it "death by Cobra bite"?? :D

What's "abache" ? Is it a real word or is it made up to sound like
Apache? :D


If this assassination was carried out like many other assassinations which were in the past then it's a Hellfire...

Well it could be, but it could also be a TOW missile.

IDF still uses TOW missiles fired from AH-1 Cobra gunships,
but unfortunately those media reporters always mistaken the
helo gunship for Apache.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/hellfire_01.jpg

citizen-k
04-18-2004, 01:57 AM
He did not say Apache, he said "Abache" rofl

Or is it "death by Cobra bite"?? :D

What's "abache" ? Is it a real word or is it made up to sound like
Apache? :D


He said "Abache" but ment "Apache" - Arabs are saying b's instead of p's... so it sounded like "Abache"...

S'13
04-18-2004, 02:02 AM
Well it could be, but it could also be a TOW missile.

IDF still uses TOW missiles fired from AH-1 Cobra gunships,
but unfortunately those media reporters always mistaken the
helo gunship for Apache.

True, I wonder if the IAF ever used or will use the Israeli made SPIKE-ER (NTD) System in these kinds of operations...


http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/air-spike-ER1.htm


SPIKE-ER (NTD) System for Helicopters

In the Fire and Forget mode and the Fire, Observe and Update mode the SPIKE-ER's seeker dictates lock-on before launch. In the Fire and Steer mode, there is no need to lock-on target before launch; the pilot has the ability to choose the target after launch and steer the missile to the most vulnerable part of the target or lock-on and proceed with the Fire and Forget. In both, the Fire, Observe and Update, and and Fire and Steer modes, a bi-directional fiber-optic communication link transmits target images back to the launch platform enabling the pilot to update aim point or change targets mid-flight. The link also enables precision maneuvers within urban areas, mask down capability and real-time surveillance. the SPIKE-ER can be installed in the AH-1S Cobra, Agusta A-129, MD-500 Defenders, Gazelle, Mi-24 Hind and many more.


The SPIKE-ER helicopter-launcher, equipped with full helicopter interface, hosts up to four missiles within their canisters. It implements all aspects of missile operation including missile selection and activation, down and uplinks and firing sequence. The launcher is connected to the fixed helicopter pylon via 14" standard lugs on each side on each side of the helicopter and requires no helicopter modifications, other than software integration.

The launcher provides the following functions:

-Hosts up to four rounds

-Supports operational and training missiles

-Provides an electrical interface via 1553 Mux-Bus between the rounds and the helicopter

-Provides gas coolant to IIR missile seekers

-Allows rapid round loading and unloading

-Provides full electronics, power supply and mechanical interface, allowing easy customization for any modern combat helicopter.

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/weapon/spike-er1.jpg

J-10
04-18-2004, 02:36 AM
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/images/SPIKE-ER1.jpg

SPIKE-ER Anti-Tank Missile

Effective range: 400 - 8,000 meters
Length: (Missile in canister) 1670 mm
Diameter (Missile in canister) 170 mm

S'13
04-18-2004, 04:03 AM
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1082190341632


Hamas appoints new Gaza leader following Rantisi strike
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH


The Hamas leadership has appointed a new leader following the assassination of Abdel Aziz Rantisi Saturday night in the Gaza Strip, Israel Radio reported.

According to the report, however, the new leader's name will not be publicized. Army Radio reported Mahmoud Zahar, second in command to Rantisi, had been appointed to oversee the group in Gaza, but Hamas officials refused to confirm the report.

Rantisi, 56, was killed along with his son Muhammad, 27, and bodyguard Ikram Nassar, 35, when missiles fired from IAF helicopters slammed into his car not far from his home in central Gaza City on Saturday night.

Five other Palestinians were wounded in the attack that occurred just hours after a suicide bomber blew up at the Erez industrial zone north of the Gaza Strip, killing a border policeman and wounding three other Israelis

Following the missile strike, Hamas spokesmen were too busy issuing threats to avenge the killing of than to discuss the issue of who would succeed him as Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip.

Rantisi was killed less than one month after his predecessor, Ahmed Yassin, was assassinated near his home in the Sabra neighborhood of Gaza City. The departures of Rantisi and Yassin have created a vacuum in Hamas leadership.

Yassin and Rantisi were among four Hamas leaders who founded the movement in 1987. The other two, Ibrahim Makadmeh and Salah Shehadeh, were also killed by Israel during the past two years.

Today Hamas has three more senior officials in the Gaza Strip, though none of them matches Rantisi or Yassin in status or popularity. They are Ismail Haniyeh, Said Siam, and Mahmoud Zahar. Siam is the only Hamas official who has not been targeted yet by Israel. Zahar and Haniyeh escaped separate attempts on their lives in the past year.

It's not clear whether any of the three would agree to become Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip in light of Israel's threat to go after the movement's entire leadership. Sources close to Hamas in Gaza City said it is premature to talk about a successor for Rantisi.

"Hamas is in a state of shock," said one source. "All of its top officials are in hiding." Rantisi was far more radical in his views than most Hamas leaders in the Gaza Strip. He will mostly be remembered for his appearances on al-Jazeera and other Arab TV stations following suicide bombings in Israel, where he would call on all Jews "to leave Palestine and return to where they came from."

By comparison, Haniyeh, Siam, and Zahar are known for their pragmatic rhetoric and views. While the three continue to support suicide bombings against Israel, they have never been heard referring to Jews as "sons of monkeys and pigs," a phrase Rantisi used freely.

Rantisi's hard-line approach was also evident in the recent discussions between the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian factions. He was the only Hamas official who opposed PA Chairman Yasser Arafat's offer to join a "unified national leadership" that would administer the Gaza Strip after Israel's withdrawal from the area.

Rantisi and Arafat were sworn enemies and never hid their disgust for each other. In 1997, Arafat ordered Rantisi held without detention after the latter criticized the PA in public.

If Hamas fails to elect a successor for Rantisi in the Gaza Strip, it will be left with an outside leadership whose representatives sit in Damascus and Beirut.

Khaled Mashaal, head of Hamas's political bureau, is now the uncontested leader of the movement.

Ironically, the killing of Rantisi ended a three-week dispute between him and Mashaal over the distribution of authority.

While Mashaal saw himself as the natural successor to Yassin, Rantisi made it clear to all that he was in charge. And in a move that is said to have enraged Mashaal, Rantisi sought and won the backing of the movement's armed wing, Izzadin Kassam.

Earlier this month, Mashaal met with Hizbullah secretary-general Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut and agreed with him on coordination between the two groups in escalating the fight against Israel. Mashaal has also been in contact with Iran, asking for financial aid.

In the absence of Yassin and Rantisi, it is most likely that Mashaal's grip on the movement will now strengthen. The result would be that Hamas's armed wing would continue to function in the Gaza Strip without a local leader, while the new leadership would be based in Beirut, Damascus, and Teheran. This could mean that the ayatollahs in Iran and Hizbullah's Nasrallah will be calling the shots from now on.


Terrorize the terrorists, that's our motto. p-)

gilgoul
04-18-2004, 04:50 AM
WAW !! WTF !!
Just heard on the news , Rantisi isn't dead , it was false , the f*** is still alive , god damnit !! The biaches talled he is dead to earn some time , f*** hell !!
AWWW...****.
Link me.

Psich .... rofl
April's fools day ;) ;) .
The sucker is raped by 72 virgin boys in slow motion , right now as i write those lines .

Don't bellieve everything Media telling you , son rofl


wwaarrfff,


i just wonder, where is the UE that condemn faster than light?
Are we this time repugnant provocateurs or genocidal zionists?
And what about the two "poor bystander", just bodyguards but who are going to turn civilians for sure.

But now, who is the next :D

J-10
04-18-2004, 05:11 AM
Sharon vows to continue killing Hamas leaders

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-04/18/content_1426022.htm

Ghostwolf
04-18-2004, 05:17 AM
i just wonder, where is the UE that condemn faster than light?
Are we this time repugnant provocateurs or genocidal zionists?
And what about the two "poor bystander", just bodyguards but who are going to turn civilians for sure.

But now, who is the next

I just heard from the BBC saying that Hamas has already named another
successor as the leader, but this time Hamas is not announcing the name.
Ha ha!! I mean is that going to make a difference? The Mossad will seek
out the identity sooner or later.

There should be an Israeli TV show similar to "The America's Most
Wanted", and instead of listing criminals wanted for the crimes they
committed, terrorist suspects are announced on the air and there should
be bounties on their heads for capturing alive or dead.

MetalBoy
04-18-2004, 05:48 AM
HAMAS: Hiding Assholes Make Allah Sad :(

Javehn
04-18-2004, 06:09 AM
Probably the next head of "PDF HAMAS" would be Mahmoud Zahar , or Muhamad Deff . Any way , think they soon would be ready to call for second Hunda . Something liek that caused the firsy Hunda - seaze fire something like year ago .

*PDF - Palestinian "Defence" forces .


just wonder, where is the UE that condemn faster than light?
Are we this time repugnant provocateurs or genocidal zionists?
And what about the two "poor bystander", just bodyguards but who are going to turn civilians for sure.


We have our own insiders , like Yosi Beylin to do that .

J-10
04-18-2004, 06:37 AM
Maybe Yassin's former assistant Ismail Haniyah is another possible successor to Rantisi.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-04/18/content_1425997.htm

UkrainianAmerican
04-18-2004, 06:50 AM
Hehe, since HAMAS is not publicising the new leaaader, I guess there will be no more CNN interviews...... woot

seruriermarshal
04-18-2004, 06:57 AM
Maybe Yassin's former assistant Ismail Haniyah is another possible successor to Rantisi.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-04/18/content_1425997.htm

Need more messages .

big80a2
04-18-2004, 08:19 AM
Hehe, since HAMAS is not publicising the new leaaader, I guess there will be no more CNN interviews...... woot

than it's also the beginning of the end of the media war woot

UkrainianAmerican
04-18-2004, 08:27 AM
Hehe, since HAMAS is not publicising the new leaaader, I guess there will be no more CNN interviews...... woot

than it's also the beginning of the end of the media war woot
YEP! :D

Fox2
04-18-2004, 08:39 AM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=AH-64+Apache/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/boeing/ah-64_apache/ah-64-apache9910.jpg

I've never seen a picture of an Apache firing an AIM-9 before! Thanks!

Mark_Aspen
04-18-2004, 09:07 AM
WANTED:

Large Palestinian organization seeking dynamic, ugly Executive Director, CEO.

Benefits may include secret villa, company car, executive bodyguards, and burian insurance. Must be media savvy.

Position has high turnover.

mustamato
04-18-2004, 09:08 AM
WANTED:

Large Palestinian organization seeking dynamic, ugly Executive Director, CEO.

Benefits may include secret villa, company car, executive bodyguards, and burian insurance. Must be media savvy.

Position has high turnover.

Where do I apply?

/McH\
04-18-2004, 11:25 AM
Run Tisi Run!

LoL :lol:

citizen-k
04-18-2004, 11:58 AM
The mothers of the virgins are happy: "We have an engineer and a doctor - now all we need is a lawyer"

citizen-k
04-18-2004, 11:59 AM
WANTED:

Large Palestinian organization seeking dynamic, ugly Executive Director, CEO.

Benefits may include secret villa, company car, executive bodyguards, and burian insurance. Must be media savvy.

Position has high turnover.

Where do I apply?

Don't call us - we will call you.

(If I were you I'd be getting away from cellular/public phones in the near future...)

UkrainianAmerican
04-18-2004, 12:01 PM
The mothers of the virgins are happy: "We have an engineer and a doctor - now all we need is a lawyer"
Hey, watch your mouth. Why are you wishing death to jews? rofl

AirZone
04-18-2004, 01:57 PM
The mothers of the virgins are happy: "We have an engineer and a doctor - now all we need is a lawyer"
Hey, watch your mouth. Why are you wishing death to jews? rofl

rofl rofl rofl rofl good one ! :lol:

born_to_kill
04-18-2004, 02:05 PM
I bet all those suicide bombers are waiting for Yassin and rantissi in hell with baseball bats, "you lyed to us mother****er"

UkrainianAmerican
04-18-2004, 02:45 PM
I bet all those suicide bombers are waiting for Yassin and rantissi in hell with baseball bats, "you lyed to us f***"
I bet they are too busy getting ass-raped by Satan, but thats up to debate. ;)

SeanAshi
04-18-2004, 06:39 PM
Mahmoud Zahar the new man in Gaza?

citizen-k
04-18-2004, 06:51 PM
Mahmoud Zahar the new man in Gaza?

It looks like it...we will know in a month or so rofl

W(M)D
04-19-2004, 05:45 AM
The mothers of the virgins are happy: "We have an engineer and a doctor - now all we need is a lawyer"

They should have never of given up their daytime jobs :D

I am sure that it will be a surveyor next :D