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sferrin
12-18-2006, 11:49 AM
"N.K. reads laundry list of demands
POSTED: 10:47 a.m. EST, December 18, 2006

BEIJING, China (*******) -- North Korea and the United States stood poles apart on Monday as talks on scrapping the communist state's nuclear arms resumed after a year-long hiatus.

Addressing the six-party forum, Pyongyang's chief delegate demanded an end to U.N. sanctions, U.S. financial curbs and a reactor before it would consider disarmament.

In response to this "exhaustive list", chief U.S. envoy Christopher Hill warned his interlocutor that Washington's patience had "reached its limits", said a source close to the first talks session since North Korea tested a nuclear device in October.

North Korea's opening speech took a "department store approach", presenting "an exhaustive list of all its demands" and demanding that Washington end its "hostile policy" before Pyongyang would agree to rein in its nuclear programs, a South Korean official told reporters.

The other five countries at the table -- host China, the United States, South Korea, Japan and Russia -- want to see North Korea take concrete steps to implement a joint statement agreed in September 2005.

In that statement, North Korea agreed in principle to give up nuclear weapons in return for aid and security guarantees.

But North Korean chief negotiator Kim Kye-gwan said his country would not consider implementing the agreement until U.S. and United Nations financial sanctions on it were lifted, the source said.

Washington imposed its financial curbs more than a year ago after determining that Pyongyang was engaged in money-laundering and counterfeiting American currency. The U.N. leveled sanctions in October after condemning the North's nuclear test.

Kim said it was his country's ultimate goal to abandon its nuclear programs, but he also demanded the North be provided with a light-water nuclear reactor to meet its civilian energy needs and substitute energy aid until the reactor is completed in order for it to begin doing so, the source said.

Emboldened North
Analysts had expected an emboldened North Korea, which now calls itself a nuclear state, to stake out a tough position and had cautioned that swift compromise was unlikely.

"The issues to be discussed and addressed by this meeting are complex and profound, and the tasks borne by all the parties are both glorious and arduous," Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei told delegates.

Despite the challenges, the United States and Japan both insisted that they wanted to see progress.

"We demand North Korea take prompt action in line with promises it made in the joint statement," chief Japanese negotiator Kenichiro Sasae told envoys, according to a text given to reporters. "It's up to North Korea to choose what path. The opportunity must not be wasted."

A South Korean official said the U.S. and North Korean envoys were likely to have two-way discussions later on Monday. A separate U.S. Treasury Department delegation is expected to meet the North Koreans to discuss the financial standoff.

But U.S. envoy Hill has urged North Korea to focus on the nuclear dispute, and warned Pyongyang it faces deeper isolation if it fails to keep its disarmament promise.

"If they want a future with us, if they want to work with us, if they want to be a member of the international community, they're going to have to get out of this nuclear business," Hill said on Sunday.

Hill said he hoped to be home for Christmas, avoiding a marathon session at the hexagonal negotiating table. The six teams are accompanied by a throng of interpreters to translate the arcane terminology of nuclear diplomacy."


And people wonder why we need missile defense.

Switek
12-18-2006, 12:00 PM
I quess there is limited stock of cognac in Kim's coctail cabinet and he's getting unpatient...

2Sheds_Jackson
12-18-2006, 12:54 PM
Well we'd better get used to it, we'll be getting a similar list from Iran soon enough..except that the words "Israel" and "Palestine" will be featured prominently.

sferrin
12-18-2006, 01:31 PM
Well we'd better get used to it, we'll be getting a similar list from Iran soon enough..except that the words "Israel" and "Palestine" will be featured prominently.

Well hopefully both Kim and Iran will be given the finger as appeasement has a poor track record. Not that I'm holding my breath though.

Wodan
12-18-2006, 01:39 PM
Nuke Kims ass away!

ElHombre
12-18-2006, 02:16 PM
Well hopefully both Kim and Iran will be given the finger as appeasement has a poor track record. Not that I'm holding my breath though.

What are the options, then?

Dasein
12-18-2006, 03:25 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of diplomacy. I'd think the US would be used to it by now, since nuclear blackmail was the foundation for the Cold War.

sferrin
12-18-2006, 03:29 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of diplomacy. I'd think the US would be used to it by now, since nuclear blackmail was the foundation for the Cold War.

Really? I don't recall the US ever trying to extort nuclear reactors out of the USSR or the USSR trying to extort things out of the US.

sferrin
12-18-2006, 03:29 PM
What are the options, then?

Ignore him.

ElHombre
12-18-2006, 05:04 PM
Ignore him.

And how are we supposed to ignore someone with a nuclear weapon?

Dasein
12-18-2006, 05:39 PM
Really? I don't recall the US ever trying to extort nuclear reactors out of the USSR or the USSR trying to extort things out of the US.

That's because we were concerned with bigger issues, but what do you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was, if not a blackmail attempt gone bad?

Switek
12-18-2006, 05:51 PM
And how are we supposed to ignore someone with a nuclear weapon?

It's simple he needs nuke to get supplies of luxury goods for him an his fellows...

sferrin
12-18-2006, 08:50 PM
And how are we supposed to ignore someone with a nuclear weapon?

Didn't think you'd take me so literally. Basically keep an eye on him but cease responding to him. Let him sabre-rattle til hell freezes over.

VetsandVettes
12-22-2006, 11:36 AM
Didn't think you'd take me so literally. Basically keep an eye on him but cease responding to him. Let him sabre-rattle til hell freezes over.


Nope. The US will buckle AGAIN and give him the cash, goods and anything else he wants. They have done this repeatedly in the past. Fact is, Kim has the world dancing to his tune, no matter how f*cking busy he is. Just pony up and he will shut up for a bit. Funny how this joke of a midgit has the world's #1 superpower sucking his ****...

Mastermind
12-22-2006, 11:54 AM
"Missile defense" is nothing but a silly attempt to build a wall. Sure, it's great for one or two attempts...but, eventually, one will get by...and it will only take one. The real soution is guts to take action to deal with these petty monsters before they grow into something we can not handle. But, then, the modern world has a dangeorus shortage of guts lately.MM

reya
12-22-2006, 06:33 PM
"N.K. reads laundry list of demands
POSTED: 10:47 a.m. EST, December 18, 2006

BEIJING, China (*******) -- North Korea and the United States stood poles apart on Monday as talks on scrapping the communist state's nuclear arms resumed after a year-long hiatus.

Addressing the six-party forum, Pyongyang's chief delegate demanded an end to U.N. sanctions, U.S. financial curbs and a reactor before it would consider disarmament.

In response to this "exhaustive list", chief U.S. envoy Christopher Hill warned his interlocutor that Washington's patience had "reached its limits", said a source close to the first talks session since North Korea tested a nuclear device in October.

North Korea's opening speech took a "department store approach", presenting "an exhaustive list of all its demands" and demanding that Washington end its "hostile policy" before Pyongyang would agree to rein in its nuclear programs, a South Korean official told reporters.

The other five countries at the table -- host China, the United States, South Korea, Japan and Russia -- want to see North Korea take concrete steps to implement a joint statement agreed in September 2005.

In that statement, North Korea agreed in principle to give up nuclear weapons in return for aid and security guarantees.

But North Korean chief negotiator Kim Kye-gwan said his country would not consider implementing the agreement until U.S. and United Nations financial sanctions on it were lifted, the source said.

Washington imposed its financial curbs more than a year ago after determining that Pyongyang was engaged in money-laundering and counterfeiting American currency. The U.N. leveled sanctions in October after condemning the North's nuclear test.

Kim said it was his country's ultimate goal to abandon its nuclear programs, but he also demanded the North be provided with a light-water nuclear reactor to meet its civilian energy needs and substitute energy aid until the reactor is completed in order for it to begin doing so, the source said.

Emboldened North
Analysts had expected an emboldened North Korea, which now calls itself a nuclear state, to stake out a tough position and had cautioned that swift compromise was unlikely.

"The issues to be discussed and addressed by this meeting are complex and profound, and the tasks borne by all the parties are both glorious and arduous," Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei told delegates.

Despite the challenges, the United States and Japan both insisted that they wanted to see progress.

"We demand North Korea take prompt action in line with promises it made in the joint statement," chief Japanese negotiator Kenichiro Sasae told envoys, according to a text given to reporters. "It's up to North Korea to choose what path. The opportunity must not be wasted."

A South Korean official said the U.S. and North Korean envoys were likely to have two-way discussions later on Monday. A separate U.S. Treasury Department delegation is expected to meet the North Koreans to discuss the financial standoff.

But U.S. envoy Hill has urged North Korea to focus on the nuclear dispute, and warned Pyongyang it faces deeper isolation if it fails to keep its disarmament promise.

"If they want a future with us, if they want to work with us, if they want to be a member of the international community, they're going to have to get out of this nuclear business," Hill said on Sunday.

Hill said he hoped to be home for Christmas, avoiding a marathon session at the hexagonal negotiating table. The six teams are accompanied by a throng of interpreters to translate the arcane terminology of nuclear diplomacy."


And people wonder why we need missile defense.
Its an another agitation speech, from another evil dictator.

giggler
12-23-2006, 02:29 PM
What does NK think there doing they know this new stunt won't fly with Bush.

ElHombre
12-23-2006, 07:10 PM
What does NK think there doing they know this new stunt won't fly with Bush.

:lol: Bush is the poker player who doesn't realize that the other guys at the table know all of his cards. NK has watched Bush and his admin roll over so many times, it's ridiculous.