Portuguese Army Special Forces

[CannibalSquirel]

They are called "Rangers" in Portugal, but in fact they have nothing to do with the US Rangers. Completly different really.

Portuguese Army Special Forces - Mid 90´s pics.

If anyone has more pic´s post them here.

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE1.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE2.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE3.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE4.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE5.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE6.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE7.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE8.bmp

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE11.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE12.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE13.jpg

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE14.jpg

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nice pics

[Celareon]

cool pics! :D

[stuntman]

AH Portugal Spains Canada! Well nice pics!
I would love to see updated ones though.

[elguapo]

Any plans to replace the G3?

[CannibalSquirel]

Any plans to replace the G3?

Yes.

The new weapon should enter in service by 2005/2006.

Altought no official decision is made, weapons from the following manufacters have been evaluated: Colt (EUA), Diemaco (Canadá), FN (Bélgica), Tavor (Israel), HK (Alemanha), Steyr (Áustria) and Sar (Singapura).

It´s public that the portuguese officials prefer the G-36 ( already in service with special forces and ellite units ), but this is, besides all, a political decision.

[Marsuitor]

Just curious, but what's Portugal's stance on buying stuff from Israel?
We had a big'ish thing here when the local tabloid "uncovered" that Norway had brough ATGM's from Israel for trials on an ERYX replacement. What irritates me is that the guys who were actually going to use it (and perhaps have their lives depend on it) were bollocked because the far-left politicians thought of it as morally wrong to buy weapons from a country at war. Created a lot of sour faces among the people who had found the Spike to be so superior to the Javelin (which won the trials) only to have it taken away due to lobbying and politics. It didn't make it any better when the brass later announced the complete opposite to what the trial conductors had found out and written lots of reports about... :roll:
Anyhow, is Portugal having the same BS over the Tavor?

[goldman]

awsome

[el borracho]

Hell yeah!... I wonder if any of them are my cousins?

[memphiz]

awsome pics man, thanks for sharing

[IDFM203]

Indeed nice pics :D


Just curious, but what's Portugal's stance on buying stuff from Israel?
We had a big'ish thing here when the local tabloid "uncovered" that Norway had brough ATGM's from Israel for trials on an ERYX replacement. What irritates me is that the guys who were actually going to use it (and perhaps have their lives depend on it) were bollocked because the far-left politicians thought of it as morally wrong to buy weapons from a country at war. Created a lot of sour faces among the people who had found the Spike to be so superior to the Javelin (which won the trials) only to have it taken away due to lobbying and politics. It didn't make it any better when the brass later announced the complete opposite to what the trial conductors had found out and written lots of reports about... :roll:
Anyhow, is Portugal having the same BS over the Tavor? Intresting post!

The blind negativity against Israel indeed is never ending by a lot in Europe (or when some buy it they rename it the Euro spike) :roll:

Anyways first of all they chose the Javelin and that is from the U.S which is also a nation at war.

So that simple phrase wasn’t a factor but rather IMO their position on the Israel/Palestinian conflict where they views are heavily biased to the pali’s and they view Israel wrongly and that IMO is the reason why it wasn’t chosen.

Btw what’s somewhat ironic about all this is that actually besides the Israeli spike outperforming the Javelin in trials (and not only in your nation but in others as well) one of the better features of the Israeli spike over the Javelin (from what I have read) is that it has a added remote "fly by video" feature that enables the operator of this to abort the missile after launch or steer it away and that is a safety feature to helps prevent some friendly fire incidents or innocents at the last moment being killed.

But I guess because its from Israel, even that added safety feature isn’t an attraction to a nation (yours and others that rejected it) that supposedly adheres to those types of safety idols :roll:

Anyways here is a repost from me about the Brit trails (of where I read somewhere) of this where I explain in greater detail this added feature (btw they also chose the Javlin after a political outcry from some in their gov. that were against buying from Israel)


Actually The Brits believed the Israeli Spike was slightly better because of the additional remote "fly by video" feature that can be used to "command guide" the spike, (In command guidance mode, the Spike actually sends what it sees back to the soldier over a set of fiber optic wires that trail behind the missile as it flies. The soldier uses the images to "fly" the missile, sending steering commands back through the same fiber optic wire…thus if at the last moment the operator realises that it’s a friendly vehicle or there are innocents there or whatever, he can steer it away) This is a slight advantage over the javelin for the operator can abort the missile after launch. This is a safety feature to helps prevent some friendly fire incidents.

Shalom :D

[kutter]

While Portugal carries out trials for a 5.56mm rifle it looks like that at least the paratroopers have replaced their G3s with Galils since at least the mid 90s (I remember reading about this from an old issue of RAIDS from 94-95). So this at least shows that the Tavor theoretically shouldn't any political bs during the selection process.
http://boinas-verdes.planetaclix.pt/img/foto_sj13.jpg

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

http://militaryzone.home.sapo.pt/paras-3.jpg

http://militaryzone.home.sapo.pt/para-2.jpg

http://militaryzone.home.sapo.pt/paras-1.jpg

[Steve Andrews]

An Ex Portugese Para used to come up to our range. I remeber that he liked my 7.62 Galil ARM and told me that he had used the Galil in the paras.

[CannibalSquirel]

That´s correct. The Portuguese paratroopers use the GALIL since the late 80´s, when they were still part of the Air Force.

The paratroopers were only "incorporated" in the army in 1992 but they maintened the GALIL.

Portugal as a long term relation with Israel in fact. Most of the electronic warfare on the new F-16 MLU is from ISRAEL ( elrisa ), the Litening II pod´s are from RAFAEL ( 6 are on the table ), the ACMII pod´s are from Isreali origin, so, despite Tavor is not the ideal weapon and there are better weapons on contest, there´s no problem to include the Tavor in the competition.

PS
Does anyone have photos of the Portuguese A-7P in Israel in the late 80s? (Squadron Exchange )

[Marsuitor]

Well, good to see at least one country in Europe still has it's common sense intact... p-) I think the amount of hypocrisy going around here at home at times is starting to get to me, and i'll have to move somewhere else soon before i go postal!:lol:

Anyhow, on the note of the Spike, i was told this setup by a mate of mine who's in the heavy weapons platoon at the local infantry-disco doing the trials. Had himself done some test firings on the thing and had lots of praises of the system. Especially mentioned the fly-by-camera and a FAF mode that worked just as well on static targets as tanks and armored vehicles. The Javelin reportedly had some difficulties during GW2 where the troops had to "prepare" some of the buildings for a missile by shooting at it with small-arms and LAW's to give it more contours around the edges and thus enable the onboard computer to recognize it as a target. As for quoting a source on that, i'll see if i can dig one up... I'm also hearing that the US is planning to phase it out. True, or?
Bottom line is, IMO this entire deal is rotten through and the lads on the ground actually doing the fighting are getting themselves a mediocre system at best, while suit-clad civvies higher up are praised for their determination not to deal with an "evil" country. You'd be amazed at how bad the journalistic integrity on the whole mideast conflict is here at home, and it probably isn't helping the forces... :cantbeli:

[M1A2U2]

id like to buy some of that portugese kit

[Benny]

I wonder where were taken those pictures showing a ski patrol - There's no snow in Portugal, unless we count the Serra da Estrela?!

[CannibalSquirel]

The rangers normally train in Serra da Estrela, but that picture that I presented was taken in Norway. ;)

[Marsuitor]

http://www.falcoes.net/rangers/OE13.jpg

I'm quite certain the guy to the right here is a Norwegian, especially if these pictures are taken mid-90's.
Do you know what year and excercise they were taken?

[CannibalSquirel]

Actually I don´t know the year, but I´m pretty sure that guy in spite of looking norwegian is a portuguese soldier.

You can tell by his gear. The year I don´t know but i think it was 1997 ir 1998. I´ll try to find out more about this photo.

[Marsuitor]

Actually I don´t know the year, but I´m pretty sure that guy in spite of looking norwegian is a portuguese soldier.

You can tell by his gear. The year I don´t know but i think it was 1997 ir 1998. I´ll try to find out more about this photo.

Sure, thanks for that ;)
I was actually looking at his gear myself, it pretty much matches excactly what most Norge soldiers would be wearing mid/late-90s, and seeing as the photo was taken in Norway, i'm thinking it might be an instructor or some guy attached for a SUE...

Cheers,
Marcus

[Jose Le Baron]

That´s correct. The Portuguese paratroopers use the GALIL since the late 80´s, when they were still part of the Air Force.

Make that since the early 1980's... joined up in January 1983, and although us recruits used old G3 to drill and look mean, the operational component was already all-Galil. Looked and felt like a toy side-by-side with the G3, but I saw it blast some big holes on the targets.

[2SARPQ]

That´s correct. The Portuguese paratroopers use the GALIL since the late 80´s, when they were still part of the Air Force.

Make that since the early 1980's... joined up in January 1983, and although us recruits used old G3 to drill and look mean, the operational component was already all-Galil. Looked and felt like a toy side-by-side with the G3, but I saw it blast some big holes on the targets.

Portuguese Paras.....using the 5.56mm Galil.... ;)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12630&start=16

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Beret_Sargeant.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Beret.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Berets.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Galil%20-%205%2056mm%20-%20Portuguese%20Green%20Berets.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Berets%20in%20East%20Timor.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Berets%20in%20East%20Timor%202.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Berets%20in%20East%20Timor%203.jpg

[CannibalSquirel]

Very nice pics.

Thanks for that m8.

[Ria]

woot woot
Thanks so much for the awesome pics. Muito obrigado! :D

[2SARPQ]

Very nice pics.

Thanks for that m8.
It´s 2SARPQ, not M8...... ;)

[CannibalSquirel]

Ora bolas, e eu que pensava que "m8" era um termo porreiro. :lol:

1 grande abraço 2º sargento paraquedista!
É com muito gosto que vejo aqui um para nacional visto que, embora eu numa vertente civil, seja também apaixonado pelo paraquedismo. Queda Livre é único. :D

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Berets%20in%20East%20Timor%202.jpg

Aonde é isso????

[CannibalSquirel]

East-Timor I think.

[2SARPQ]

Ora bolas, e eu que pensava que "m8" era um termo porreiro. :lol:

1 grande abraço 2º sargento paraquedista!
É com muito gosto que vejo aqui um para nacional visto que, embora eu numa vertente civil, seja também apaixonado pelo paraquedismo. Queda Livre é único. :D
Ex-sargento Pára.....já lá vão quase 10 anos desde a incorporação....bons tempos.... :)


http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/SANDRO.BRAVO/images/Portuguese%20Green%20Berets%20in%20East%20Timor%202.jpg

Aonde é isso????
Esta foto foi tirada em Timor-Leste, numa carreira de tiro e o Pára a fazer tiro de pé é um amigo meu ainda no activo. Eu sou o das primeiras fotos.

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

Quem é tu???
E qual dos que estão de pé é teu amigo?

[2SARPQ]

Quem é tu???
E qual dos que estão de pé é teu amigo?
Sou o das 3 primeiras fotos e o meu amigo é o que está a fazer tiro de pé, mais à esquerda da foto, em grande plano.