Barrett M82 GPMG?

[Jabroni]

Would there ever be an M82 .50 Calibre GPMG?.

I could imagine it to be slow firing and the user to shoot only bursts.

[ShakesFIST]

Would there ever be an M82 .50 Calibre GPMG?.

I could imagine it to be slow firing and the user to shoot only bursts.

Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

[digrar]

GPMGs are not meant to be super accurate weapons, that inbuilt inaccuracy provides what is known as a beaten zone, which helps with supressing a larger area at the impact zone.
Maybe one of the SFMG/ DFSW/ heavy weapons/ knuckle draggers might post here and give a clearer explanation.

[ZoneOne]

Why not just use a m2?

[BillySing]

Would there ever be an M82 .50 Calibre GPMG?.

I could imagine it to be slow firing and the user to shoot only bursts.

why in god's name would that be necessary?
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[Seraphim]

why in god's name would that be necessary?
:cantbeli:


Because it would be SUPER cool thats why! (in ten year old voice)

[Ratamacue]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_Machine_Gun

[Jabroni]

Just a thought about a slightly lighter/more portable form of a .50 cal MG

If the Browning was to be replaced, This could be it, But with spade grips.

[ShakesFIST]

Just a thought about a slightly lighter/more portable form of a .50 cal MG

If the Browning was to be replaced, This could be it, But with spade grips.

God your dumb.

The only thing the two have in common is the round they use. By YOUR logic the M24 would make a great machine gun because its light and more accurate than the M240...

[ZoneOne]

The Browning is being replaced, with the XM312.

1000th post, wohoo.

[gilgoul]

God your dumb.

The only thing the two have in common is the round they use. By YOUR logic the M24 would make a great machine gun because its light and more accurate than the M240...

LOL, admit it would look BAD ASS with the 10X35 leupold sight and an external recoil action and feeding to replace the magazine box ;)

[maple.leaf]

This topic is so dumb that I can barely believe I'm even replying.... but anyways:

A GPMG, or General-Purpose Machine Gun, is by definition a medium-calibre machine gun that can be used in either a light support role (off a bipod) or a sustained fire support role (off a tripod). The usual calibre of these types of MGs is in the 7.62mm range.

A weapon - any weapon! - that fires the .50in (or 12.7mm equivalent) round is classified as a HEAVY weapon. The M82 is a HEAVY rifle - becuase of the size and power of its round, and because of its weight. It could never be used as a "general purpose" weapon because it is too heavy and too powerful.

Putting spade grips on one and converting it to full-auto would simply turn a very useful, precision, heavy support weapon into a very limited, practically useless, cumbersome and pointless Sci-Fi novelty.

[Koskela]

For some years ago, the Swedish army had some problems with theirs Baretts M82. When the sniper pulled the trigger for one shot, the mechanism failed and the gun emptied the whole magazine. Due to hard training and extensive use was the stopage in the loading mechanism teared down. Instead of firing a single shot, it went automatic until the mag was empty....

All the weapons was brought back for a major overhaul. This problem vanished after this.

I´ve spoken with two guys who had experiensed this, and they where not amused!

/Koskela

[Hydro]

The Russian 12.7mm Kord can be fitted with a heavy duty bipod. It's already fitted with a pistol grip and shoulder stock for use on the tripod. It's still very heavy, and bipod use is only really to increase rapid portability and flexibility. It's about as close to a 12.7 GPMG as you'll get.

[maple.leaf]

Really? How many issued to an infantry squad and used in assault mode?

[Hydro]

Really? How many issued to an infantry squad and used in assault mode?





and bipod use is only really to increase rapid portability and flexibility

None, unless the Russian Army is breeding super soldiers.

[Sabre]

Jabroni, just go out and find a gimpy, stick it in a white dress and have your civil partnership recognised....fookin hell....:roll:

And don't forget to wear your corcorans on the big day you fetishist!!!

[silveykyle]

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9043/esw12hbmk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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[Hydro]

WTF!!



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[silveykyle]

WTF!!



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another one of jabroni's great ideas

[ed316]

This thread makes the baby Buddha cry!

[gilgoul]

another one of jabroni's great ideas

dud, your avatar is just sick, beuurk I don't feel well

[lt tahoe]

Koskela--good story, I hadn't heard of that happening but I'll bet it freaked the gunner out pretty good! They must have put a lot of rounds through those things to have the mechanism fail like that.

[HoboWithAK]

God your dumb.

The only thing the two have in common is the round they use. By YOUR logic the M24 would make a great machine gun because its light and more accurate than the M240...

roflroflroflroflrofl

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

Just a thought about a slightly lighter/more portable form of a .50 cal MG
If the Browning was to be replaced, This could be it, But with spade grips.

Replacements for the M2 are already in the works:

M312 .50-Caliber (12.7mm) Machine Gun (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m312.htm)

Currently being developed by General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products (GDATP), the XM312 is a lightweight, portable 12.7mm machine gun that provides increased accuracy, effectiveness, and lethality over current heavy machine guns. GDATP is the prime contractor with total system integration. This new weapon (XM312) offers a significant difference from its predecessor in that the gun and tripod weighs slightly more than 42 pounds compared to the BMG that has a total weight of 128 pounds and can accept belt-fed ammo from either the left or right.

In the XM312 the gun barrel moves and not the bolt, reducing the recoil of the weapon, and with the slower rate of fire the gun can function for an indefinite period without damage and does not require headspace or timing adjustments. The 312 is nine times more accurate than the M2.

check out this thread: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92865

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6525/m3124qa4.jpg


Also:
M307 Airbursting Weapon System
Advanced Crew Served Weapon (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m307.htm)

The XM307, in development with General Dynamics, is a lightweight, two-man portable machine gun that fires precision airbursting munitions. It is equipped with a target acquisition fire control sight and is the first automatic weapon to fire a 25mm thermobaric round at the intended range of 450 meters. Compared to the MK19 40mm grenade launcher that fires its rounds in a high arc, the XM307 fires on a flatter trajectory, boosting their velocity and letting Soldiers put three rounds on a target at 1,200 meters in the same time it takes the MK19 to send just one.

The weapon has dual hand grips which allow the gun to be raised or lowered and moved laterally with a touch of a button. This means the gunner never has to take his hands off of the weapon. It uses a Direct View Optics similar to the OICW.

The biggest advantage over the MK-19 is the weight. A MK-19 weighs about 140 pounds. The OCSW weighs 50 pounds with the tripod. Its light-weight could increase the number of mission roles the OCSW could handle over the MK-19. A two man team could easily carry it into combat and it takes about a minute to set up.

The M307 system can be quickly and easily converted to a 12.7mm / .50-caliber machine gun. The XM312 can be converted from a .50-caliber machine gun to the M307 firing 25mm airburst ammunition in two minutes by changing four parts. Being able to convert the 312 to 307 while in field will give the front-line Soldier flexibility in choosing weapons to meet the mission.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2888/xm3071ne5.jpg

[Durandal]

Too bad they can't get that 25mm round down pat. It would be a sweet system, but the programmable/fuseable system is still broken.

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

Too bad they can't get that 25mm round down pat. It would be a sweet system, but the programmable/fuseable system is still broken.

Are they having problems? I haven't been paying attention.

[Durandal]

Are they having problems? I haven't been paying attention.

Yeah. Its one of the reasons, besides weight, that the cut the OICW too...

From what I have read and gleamed from some Engineers who are either working on the project or have drinks with guys working on the project, they are having fusing problems.

Bscially, all fuse, currently are impact, proximity, or rotation based (or a combination of both...like impact fuses requiring a certain number of rotations before they arm as a safety measure).

The rounds are shot through a rifled barrel and/or have fins. The cause rotation. Its possible based on the feet per second the round is traveling to determine how far the projectile travels PER rotation. Say 1 per 30 ft travelled. Now there is supposed to be a targeting computer that not only has a range finder and "smart aim" (allowing for fall/ballistic path, air, heat etc) but you can dial in exactly where you want to round to explode, which means the 25mm round has a programmable fuse that tells it after so many "rotations" you detonate.

That is where the problems are. Affordability, compactness, and robustness, of the chip and fuse. There is a LOT of force being applied to the round. Not as much as a 120mm tank round or a 155mm artillery round, but enough to cause lots of problems.

Oh, yeah, I have all sorts of fun stories like that.

I dated around with a couple army brats for a bit early on in life, the daughter of an engineer for the Comanche, and my uncle was good friends with Eugene Stoner, program officer on several Army projects, and an engineer for AAI before they started bidding on law care for Army bases.

I have some VERY interesting stories...

[Catch22]

Then please share them Durandal, that's what the MP.net is for! C'mon! :-)

[Thor]

The Russian 12.7mm Kord can be fitted with a heavy duty bipod. It's already fitted with a pistol grip and shoulder stock for use on the tripod. It's still very heavy, and bipod use is only really to increase rapid portability and flexibility. It's about as close to a 12.7 GPMG as you'll get.
Russians have traditionally employed opposite thinking with GPMG compared to the west.

[Durandal]

Then please share them Durandal, that's what the MP.net is for! C'mon! :-)

Some I cannot...

My favorite though is dating this women, while I was a Sophomore in college. This was about 12 or 13 years ago. Her family lived in Conn. (the 5th plane of hell). She told me her old man was an engineer. One night over dinner, I ask him what kind of engineer he is, thinking it might civil or something. Nope. He was one of the lead engineers at Sikorsky working on the Comanche. He was all happy about how they had dropped a fair amount of weight to fit the main gun in.

I broke up with her a year later...

Then I was on vacation. I was chatting it up with my uncle who's West Point buddy was sitting on the development team for the gun bitching about how the gun would never be used in the helo with a full load and was coming on something like a 1000lbs over weight budget and it wasn't their fault.

Later I asked, after watching all the A&E, Military, and History Channel stuff on the project, what had happened since I had seen a video of missiles and gun tests.

He said they were taking it up with missile loads and then testing the gun with no missiles. Everything worked fine but they could not use both.

One of my favorites...Mr. Nobody looking in on defense contractors and the BS they either go through or lie about. Its rather amazing.

:)

[Laworkerbee]

Thanks for the laughs

great thread!