germany: cooperation between islamist- and far right wing

[apm]

By Michael Wolffsohn


It´s official now: Extremism islamists and neonazis cooperate to reach their aims as a new axis of evil. Islamists and right-wing extremists strengthen their collaboration after knowledge of the Federal Bureau for the Protection of the Constitution. The question arises, how long the authorities knew about this new axis- and whether valuable time was wasted to find a fitting a counterstrategy.

http://www.welt.de/media/pic/000/601/60106v1.jpg
little Hitler-beard and side parting: A rightist extremist in Seelow
Photo by: ddp


Now it is official: Islamists and German right-wing extremists strengthen their collaboration enormously to conduct anti-israelian policy. The president of the German interior intelligence service, Heinz From, had given this information recently. Until today this fact was publicly taboo. Was it known to the security services for a too long time?
Much valuable time could have been wasted for the development of a surgical counterstrategy - above all, by the former Federal Minister of the Interior, Otto Schily.

In October, 2000 the cooperation of islamists and far-right extremists on German ground was visible for the first time, as unknowns committed an arson attack on a synagogue in the city of Düsseldorf. The suspicion fell immediately on German right-wing extremists, whereupon former Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schröder demanded the "Uprising of the good people". Shortly after the incident it turned out that all tracks led to the Islamic and Anti-Israelian society. Few days later islamists and Arabian nationalists on an anti-Israeli demonstration in the city of Essen pelted the old synagogue with stones and called anti-Zionist slogans. German right-wing extremists stood there with their banners and cheered.

Shortly after this I had created an analysis for DIE WELT where i supposed the coop-work of neonazis and islamists for the first time.
Just after the publication of my article in December 2000, I met the Federal Minister and we had a talk about the recent incidents. He criticised my analysis and called them to have a serious lack of a sensible basis. German authorities would have knowledge about a collaboration between German right-wing extremists and the Arabian nationalist or islamist scene if there were any cooperation, and he added i would invent a not existing content.

Not existing content? What teaches us the contemporary history? During the 30's of the passed century Nazi-Germany supported the political and ecclesiastical leader of the Palestinians, Amin al-Husseini, who received weapons for his anti-zionist fight.(...) He is held responsible to stand behind major uprisings together with Iraqi nationalists and is still counted as an hero in the arab world. Many Nazi heads received important help after the war and were even reported to train fighters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation. And even today we can find connections: Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinedjad is known for the opposite of critizing Hitler. He even invited German far-right politicians to take part in the recent "Holocaust Conference".

The author is a historian at the university of the armed forces in Munich.
long (originally much longer) article, short message. but what do you think about this? isnt that the irony of history, that nazis who feel superior above "minor races" like arabs work together with them? the logic behind this is easy to see, but nevertheless it´s an odd development in my point of view...

[Loki77]

The stupidest article than I read. Germans Neo-Nazi hate muslim immigrants.

[apm]

whats about the popular term "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" ? he uses some proven facts which arent deniable, i´d say...

[Loki77]

whats about the popular term "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" ? he uses some proven facts which arent deniable, i´d say...

I live in the Europe. I know the Germany and I am sure that Neo-Nazi hate Muslim Immigrants.
That article is paranoid. In total non-sense

[Danik]

Israelian? :cantbeli:

[toki]

I live in the Europe. I know the Germany and I am sure that Neo-Nazi hate Muslim Immigrants.
That article is paranoid. In total non-sense


... the cooperation of islamists and far-right extremists on German ground was visible for the first time, as unknowns committed an arson attack on a synagogue in the city of Düsseldorf.
That's were i live and there were 2 more places they planned on burning down. One was a nightclub that is owned by a jewish guy and were mainly jewish barkeepers etc. work. I went there quite often, know a few guys working there from school. Police intel worked and they arrested 2 arab guys. Read the next part in the article and you'll get a clue. It was organized.

The "intelligentia", the real strategic thinking extremists share bonds. That's so obvious. The german extreme right openly supports iran for example.
Strange? I don't think so. Don't mix your casual racist knobhead with a politically motivated extremist. Don't write "I know Germany, impossible" when you didn't even bother to think for a second. :roll:

Then again, this really is a small proportion of people.

[Loki77]

Don't write "I know Germany, impossible" when you didn't even bother to think for a second. :roll:


I wanted to said that Neo Nazi of all Europe(Germany too) hate muslim immigrants. That is a fact. That article is without logic.

[toki]

I wanted to said that Neo Nazi of all Europe(Germany too) hate muslim immigrants. That is a fact. That article is without logic.

It's not a fact. At least nothing to generalize. Comprende?
Nazism is a political movement, twisted anyway, but they're thinking strategically.

Btw a piece of history. (http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/2-mufti2_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg)

[Resurrection]

Islamists and National Socialists have always been cooperating with each other, this shouldn't come as a surprise. Obviously the reason for this is because they both have a common enemy - the Jews.


http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6526/061125framsidabo1.jpg
Moroccan guest speaker Ahmed Rami from Radio Islam held a much-appreciated lecture about Zionism in front of a class of around 50 National Socialists

http://www.nsfront.info/txt/EEyuZFuZpZEtFUchJn.shtml (in Swedish)

[Loki77]

It's not a fact. At least nothing to generalize. Comprende?
Nazism is a political movement, twisted anyway, but they're thinking strategically.

Btw a piece of history. (http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/2-mufti2_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg)

Ich Zweifel von der Glaubwürdigkeit vom Text.
Es tut ich Leid für meine Dummheit.

But Neo Nazi hate Muslim Immigrants

[fantomas]

Israelian? :cantbeli:


lol


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/Rael.jpg

[fantomas]

yeah right. National Socialists and Muslims, cant cooperate... right

http://www.coranix.com/biblio/mystemps/mufti_brigadefurher.jpg

[apm]

I live in the Europe. I know the Germany and I am sure that Neo-Nazi hate Muslim Immigrants.
That article is paranoid. In total non-sense

of course they do as well as immigrants dont love the rights. strategical partnership, ever heard of this? i am sure you know or even used once the term "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". they connect their resources to reach their targets easyier. and its at least for germany a proven fact due to intelligence work of german authorities. the irony behind this connection was the reason for me to start this topic. if you dont see the logic in that i feel sorry for you.

[khukuri]

There are weird alliances everywhere... The last pic is totally ridiculous. In ww2 all kinds cooperated with nazis, from finns to ukranians and for different local goals.

[Loki77]

There are weird alliances everywhere... The last pic is totally ridiculous. In ww2 all kinds cooperated with nazis, from finns to ukranians and for different local goals.
Good post...

[Thor]

There are weird alliances everywhere... The last pic is totally ridiculous. In ww2 all kinds cooperated with nazis, from finns to ukranians and for different local goals.
Do your homework.

Germany has traditionally always been an ally of arab nationalists.

[apm]

Good post...

what the heck is that supposed to mean?! you call it a good post if it confirms a fact which you deny all the time?

[Hollis]

There are weird alliances everywhere... The last pic is totally ridiculous. In ww2 all kinds cooperated with nazis, from finns to ukranians and for different local goals.


True, But google Muslim waffen SS, Where Mein Kampf is a very popular read. Even with the KKK, David Duke is popular speaker Where?

Or: "Hitler had a cleric broadcasting from Berlin who called for the extermination of the Jews. He was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the viciously anti-Semitic Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who resided in Berlin as a welcome guest and ally of the Nazis throughout the years of the Holocaust"

[Thor]

That cooperation existed already with Imperial Germany. It's wrong to paint it as Hitler sought new allies, he simply cultivated old ties.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I'll chalk up the terrible grammar of the article to the use of an online translator. But beyond that - what evidence does the good professor have, besides his theory that it would make sense? Does he have an informant who has confirmed his suspicions? Has he infiltrated a group, gone to meetings and seen Wolfgang handing off the baton to Mohammad to take a whack at a Jewish pinata? Where is the referenced statement from Heinz From, that makes his hunch "official"? Something like "I, Heinz From, the President of the German Interior Intelligence Service confirm this cooperation". For a supposed university professor, he's really not professing much but his opinion. . . .

[Dasein]

Germany has traditionally always been an ally of arab nationalists.

This is only partly true. The major Arab nationalist movements developed in Syria, which was under French control. Not surprisingly, the Arabs and Germans were able to find common cause against the French. Further, the Arab nationalists, especially Sati' al Husri, were inspired a great deal by notions of German Romantic nationalism put forth by people like Herder and Fichte. It's more accurate to say that the Arab nationalists were admirers of the German school of nationalism and at times found common cause with Germany than to say the Germans were always allies of the Arab nationalists.

However, we need to keep in mind that the Islamists reject Pan-Arabism and Ba'athism.

[Loki77]

I'll chalk up the terrible grammar of the article to the use of an online translator. But beyond that - what evidence does the good professor have, besides his theory that it would make sense? Does he have an informant who has confirmed his suspicions? Has he infiltrated a group, gone to meetings and seen Wolfgang handing off the baton to Mohammad to take a whack at a Jewish pinata? Where is the referenced statement from Heinz From, that makes his hunch "official"? Something like "I, Heinz From, the President of the German Interior Intelligence Service confirm this cooperation". For a supposed university professor, he's really not professing much but his opinion. . . .


2Sheds_Jackson your the man!
x2 what you said.

[Loki77]

what the heck is that supposed to mean?! you call it a good post if it confirms a fact which you deny all the time?
I don't deny that Nazi had alliance with some Muslims in Second War. By example Bosnians(because of the Serbians) were Hitler's allied.

I question the credibility of that post. Neo Nazis don't like muslim immigrants. They can "love" Iran's president but they don't want Iranians living in the Europe. Paradox???

Many muslim in the Soviet Union gave the blood for defeat the Nazism. In the Red Army there was Muslim soldiers.

[Hollis]

I question the credibility of that post. Neo Nazis don't like muslim immigrants. They can "love" Iran's president but they don't want Iranians living in the Europe. Paradox???




Sanity is something I never attributed to neo nazis or any other extremists.

[Ergnkon]

No suprise at all. It's only a strategic move. Neo nazis have worked together with the Kurds against the Turks in Germany before and they still do. Kurds are the best information source for them about Turks.

[toki]

Good post...


2Sheds_Jackson your the man!
x2 what you said.
Parrot


I'll chalk up the terrible grammar of the article to the use of an online translator. But beyond that - what evidence does the good professor have, besides his theory that it would make sense? Does he have an informant who has confirmed his suspicions? Has he infiltrated a group, gone to meetings and seen Wolfgang handing off the baton to Mohammad to take a whack at a Jewish pinata? Where is the referenced statement from Heinz From, that makes his hunch "official"? Something like "I, Heinz From, the President of the German Interior Intelligence Service confirm this cooperation". For a supposed university professor, he's really not professing much but his opinion. . . .

Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung (Federal agency for political education):
http://www.bpb.de/popup/popup_druckversion.html?guid=YN4KP6

There are numerous credible incidents: NPD meetings with Islamist groups.(Hizb at-Tahrir)Well known Neo Nazis in Germany, Horst Mahler for example have been spotted there. I have no doubt there is a mutual respect between those fanatics. It is not a very strong bond, but they do cooperate. This article seems a bit toned down and a bit more credible. It also states the differences. Sorry, only in german though.

And the source is credible.

Prof. Dr. Armin Pfahl-Traughber
Geb. 1963, studierte Politikwissenschaft und Soziologie. Von 1994 bis 2004 wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter und Referatsleiter in der Abteilung Rechtsextremismus des Bundesamtes für Verfassungsschutz, seit 2004 Prof. an der Fachhochschule des Bundes für öffentliche Verwaltung Brühl und Heimerzheim.
Author Prof. Dr. Armin Pfahl-Traughber, scientific enployee of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. Department right wing extremism 1994-2004.

[AK74]

someone is definitly pro nazi or pro ismalic-extremist here...

[Russian_dude]

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact anyone?

I agree that SOME neo-nazis can try to ally with the islamofascists. But MOST extreme rightists are not some WW2 revanchists, but are basically average racists, a lot are pro Christian religion. There are many diverse neo-nazi groups. Also in todays Germany, finding a Jew is a whole lot more difficult then a Turk or Arab.

[Satellite Weapon]

Do your homework. Germany has traditionally always been an ally of arab nationalists. Germany was allied with the Ottoman Government of Turkey (which oppressed Arab nationalists)

[Loki77]

Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung (Federal agency for political education):
http://www.bpb.de/popup/popup_druckversion.html?guid=YN4KP6



Arabische Studenten nahmen an einer NPD-Demonstration unter dem Motto "Friede und Freiheit für Palästina" teil. Diese Schlaglichter lassen die Fragen aufkommen: Droht eine Kooperation von Islamisten und Rechtsextremisten? Bildet der Antisemitismus ein einigendes Band? Und weiter: Worin bestehen die Gemeinsamkeiten und Unterschiede zwischen diesen beiden Lagern?
Ok. Both extremists hate Israel. They're capable of form a "Alliance".



By example David Duke (KKK) attended Iran's Holocaust conference. He doesn't like a few other people besides Jewishs, but can appreciate Iran's president agenda.(hypocrisy!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E

[Resurrection]

By example David Duke (KKK) attended Iran's Holocaust conference. He doesn't like a few other people besides Jewishs, but can appreciate Iran's president agenda.(hypocrisy!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E

What? How is he being a hypocrite?

[apm]

I don't deny that Nazi had alliance with some Muslims in Second War. By example Bosnians(because of the Serbians) were Hitler's allied.

I question the credibility of that post. Neo Nazis don't like muslim immigrants. They can "love" Iran's president but they don't want Iranians living in the Europe. Paradox???



:roll: that was what i was talking about! if the nazis set up connections to the militant muslim world sixty years ago, why they shouldnt do the same thing nowadays where it seems useful for their targets again? you do not realize how you contradict yourself in your own statements, do you? good to see you recognized what we meant here all the time...

good read, toki! indeed, there are many points were one can see the links,the irony of history. although horst mahler is a chapter for himself due to his past as an leftiest terrorist and his mutation to a right wing leader. if his comrades had something more than only air behind their eyes, they wouldnt work with him. who knows, maybe he becomes a leftie once again.

[Loki77]

What? How is he being a hypocrite?
Duke is a white supremacist(KKK). The "alliance" of him with the Iran's president is motivated by hate that both have for Israel. But I doubts that Duke will want to live together with Armanidejad and others Iranians.
(a hypocrite!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

[Resurrection]

Duke is a white supremacist(KKK). The "alliance" of him with the Iran's president is motivated by hate that both have for Israel. But I doubts that Duke will want to live together with Armanidejad and others Iranians.
(a hypocrite!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

I know who David Duke is, but what you say hardly makes him a hypocrite. Was it hypocritical for the German government during WWII to be cooperating with the Japanese, which as you know is also a foreign race?

[Loki77]

:roll: that was what i was talking about! if the nazis set up connections to the militant muslim world sixty years ago, why they shouldnt do the same thing nowadays where it seems useful for their targets again? you do not realize how you contradict yourself in your own statements, do you? good to see you recognized what we meant here all the time...

I don't deny that during the Second War the Nazi regime had the alliances with some Muslims. Today it's possible NeoNazi do "alliance" with Muslim extremists.

I contested the credibility of this post. You didn't include a link about the text and the author.
The author Michael Wolffsohn is an Israeli-born German historian and causes controversy in the Germany.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1201346,00.html

In my opinion we shouldn't generalize.
The nazis had alliances with mainly Bosnian Muslims (The Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia). But many Muslims fought with bravery for defeat the Nazism. In the red army there was muslim soldiers.

[Thor]

There were so many connections

After WWII a bunch of germans served as instructors in Syria and Egypt. A few of them fought Israel in their old uniforms.

[Dasein]

After WWII a bunch of germans served as instructors in Syria and Egypt. A few of them fought Israel in their old uniforms.

Unless they were acting on behalf of the German government, this doesn't mean much.

[Mirror]

The stupidest article than I read. Germans Neo-Nazi hate muslim immigrants.

Sun Tzu wrote once 'forget the differences for the greater cause'.

An other example is the co-op between Hezbollah and Al Qaida. Despite one being Sunni and the other Shia.

[khukuri]

Sun Tzu wrote once 'forget the differences for the greater cause'.

An other example is the co-op between Hezbollah and Al Qaida. Despite one being Sunni and the other Shia.

theres no co-op btw the two, you made that one up or read it in some bs blog. Alqaeda declared war on hezbullah not long ago. Other than that hezzies help the shiites in iraq who are in civil war with alqaeda..

[Loki77]

Sun Tzu wrote once 'forget the differences for the greater cause'.

An other example is the co-op between Hezbollah and Al Qaida. Despite one being Sunni and the other Shia.

For the dumb that wrote the text, torture is well lawful. :)
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1201346,00.html

[Wodan]

I understand that some people think its hard to believe, that german nationalists and islamists could ally... but its true, --end of discussion-- :P

[Moledet]

Yeah, what's new? We've been saying that for years now, and it's not just in Germany but in all of Europe.
Many antisemites hide behind anti-Israeli rhetorics .

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Yeah, what's new? We've been saying that for years now, and it's not just in Germany but in all of Europe.
Many antisemites hide behind anti-Israeli rhetorics .This is indeed very true but I feel that it is a minority that are both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic, the term anti-Semite has been widely misused by many pro-Israel groups in Europe including the British Board of Deputies.

[Fazla]

The nazis had alliances with mainly Bosnian Muslims (The Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia).
Nazi protectorate of Bosnia? bosnia didn't even exist as an administrative region in ww2 what are you talking about? Bosnia was given to croatia as a reward. And what "alliance" are you talking about? Maybe the 3 fatwas that bosnian muslim clerics issued for not collaborating with the nazis? What your reffering is the Handschar division, and it's a well known fact that bosniaks joined in it because germans were the only one who gave a full bosniak force to them. The options were ustashe, chetniks and partisans as we know all 3 islam lovers... Bosniaks were tricked to join the division under the promise they'd stay in Bosnia to defend it. Pavelic would complain about the division not following his orders because bosniaks didn't cae much about the swastika and nazi plans - they just wanted weapons to defend themselves. When the unit in 1943 was relocated in France bosniaks felt betrayed and mutinied. Some german officers were executed. The one and only SS division who mutinied in ww2 history. Thus the division was relocated in Bosnia but mass desertions already started as Partisans started to accept muslims into their ranks. When Tito declared he'd give amnesty to any handschar who'd fight with partisans around 2000 soldiers went immediately into partisans.

So much about muslims the nazis.

[strjela]

What your reffering is the Handschar division, and it's a well known fact that bosniaks joined in it because germans were the only one who gave a full bosniak force to them. The options were ustashe, chetniks and partisans as we know all 3 islam lovers... Bosniaks were tricked to join the division under the promise they'd stay in Bosnia to defend it.

No thats false , handschar where refugees from eastern bosnia who escaped chetnik massacre. Some bosnian supported handschar becouse it could be a base to get independent Bosnia from Crotatia.
And for arab involment, grand mufti was unknow person to handsar people, they where Bosnian pesents.

you can visit axisforum for more info:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=47420 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=47420)

So it not all of Bosnia, some where in handschar , some in partisan and some formed their own militias like Fikret Abdics rolmodel huskic:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1985/huskamiljkovic2322th9.jpg

But then again there where so many cooperations and civilian muders , that no side is inoscent.