new threat to the US?

[Soulhunter]

imagine hundreds of these revenge acts ...


"When the fighting is over in Fallujah, I will sell everything I have, even my home," said a resistance fighter who gave his name as Abu Taif Mashhadani. He wept as he recalled his 8-year-old daughter who he said was killed by a U.S. sniper in Fallujah a week ago. "I will send my brothers north to kill the Kurds, and I will go to America and target the civilians. Only the civilians. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And the one who started it will be the one to be blamed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4767657/

[SeanAshi]

He wept as he recalled his 8-year-old daughter who he said was killed by a U.S. sniper in Fallujah a week agoWhy is it when Iraqis die its automaticly Americas fault? Iraqis fire more indiscriminately then the coalition does.

[seruriermarshal]

imagine hundreds of these revenge acts ...


"When the fighting is over in Fallujah, I will sell everything I have, even my home," said a resistance fighter who gave his name as Abu Taif Mashhadani. He wept as he recalled his 8-year-old daughter who he said was killed by a U.S. sniper in Fallujah a week ago. "I will send my brothers north to kill the Kurds, and I will go to America and target the civilians. Only the civilians. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And the one who started it will be the one to be blamed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4767657/

Perhaps terrorist kill his baby , then lie to him :"Allies kill your baby ." because long time there more people believe US is enemy , so happen this event .

[caleb]

Wait he says Americans killed his daughter? NO WAY, sure it was a badass terrorist maybe even one from al-quaida. Our brave, heroic US-Soldiers don't shhot at children, they also don't shoot at unarmed men. The United states of America CAN'T do anything wrong, even if they want to.

GO, USA, GO!

You ultra-patriotic, uneducated, narrow-minded DUMB****S make me sick. The one who has eyes too see shall see, the one who has ears to hear shall hear. Read what your brave american soldiers are doing in Fallujah.

Ah, well...wasted effort, wasted time, wasted braincells.....

[oldsoak]

I really dont think any US serviceman is going to single out and target a little kid. firstly because of the morality and secondly because getting to grips with blokes shooting at you is rather most uppermost !

[Parzival]

Just words from an angry man.

[Soulhunter]

Just words from an angry man.

Let's hope so. And lets hope that doesn't grow into a trend.

Just imagine what havoc such people could wreck in the US. Those attacks wouldn't be Al-Qaeda style in magnitude, but 'low-level' terrorism could be as deadly.

Imagine such Iraqis flying to the US with tourist visas or whatever. Then, once in the US, they get into revenge mode: they kill randomly people in the street, blow-up local buildings or events, etc. They'll probably die during or after their action, but they won't care.

Is the US really protected against such suicide-people?

It's surprising such attacks haven't happened yet. But it's probably because AQ seems to prefer big-scale attacks?

[Fox2]

It's surprising such attacks haven't happened yet. But it's probably because AQ seems to prefer big-scale attacks?

Thanks to the excellent performance of our law enforcment officers and agents.

*Edit; forgot you aren't American.

[Soulhunter]

Maybe. Let's hope so.

But why are there no reports of these failed attempts?

[California Joe]

What's with every jerkoff throwing the term "sniper" around.

Marine Corps snipers are arguably the best in the world, I said "arguably" don't get your panties in a bunch, if you get shot by one you don't know who shot you. Snipers eliminate threats, they don't target civilians. Their discipline is a matter of pride and survival. Sounds like everyone hit by a stray bullet, of which there are many claims a sniper "intentionally" shot them. The ROE does not allow that.

[Fox2]

Maybe. Let's hope so.

But why are there no reports of these failed attempts?

I know for a fact they have been stopped.

They have no obligation to report anything to the media. It's partly a war of intelligence, the less information the other terrorists in-country have, the better.

This type of thing would be widely overexaggerated in the media (as everything is). People would think "There's tons of terrorists in the country!" and it would cause mass hysteria. The more that can be prevented the better.

[usa320]

I dont believe these reports of US Snipers targeting children...

Through an 8x scope, or evena 4x scope, its quite clear who is a target and who is not. Who to shoot at, and who not to shoot at.

I doubt anyone killed his children, im guessing hes just a bull**** artist.

But i wont ignore the possibility that the foreign terrorists are killing children to strengthen anti-US opinion elsewhere in the world.

This war is fast becomming a propaganda war.

And ive said it again and again, the only way to really take away the propaganda is to jam al jazeera's signals or take em offline somehow.

[Soulhunter]

but then you would have to jam Foxnews too. would only be fair.

[American Patriot]

Care factor is at 0% right now. Why is the idiotic media writing such articles?

[Soulhunter]

because some Iraqis are feeling that way?

[A Soldier]

People who post such bull**** only show more ignorance :backhand: close the thread

[Soulhunter]

yes, close the thread.

suppress free speech.

right on.

[A Soldier]

thats not free speech that is slander

[Soulhunter]

says who?

[Salty Dog]

snipers know exactly what they are shooting at. bull**** that this guys daughter was killed by one.

[UkrainianAmerican]

yes, close the thread.

suppress free speech.

right on.
This is a privately owned site. If hood deems it necessary he can ipban you me whoever else, because he is the one paying for the server space.

[Sergeant]

That might be propaganda. But we must not forge we are subjected to propaganda as well. When you do war, you do propaganda on everyones ass, including your own. Yes?

[big_les]

What's with every jerkoff throwing the term "sniper" around.

Marine Corps snipers are arguably the best in the world, I said "arguably" don't get your panties in a bunch, if you get shot by one you don't know who shot you. Snipers eliminate threats, they don't target civilians. Their discipline is a matter of pride and survival. Sounds like everyone hit by a stray bullet, of which there are many claims a sniper "intentionally" shot them. The ROE does not allow that.

Because there is more than one definition of a 'sniper'. One is that which you give; a highly trained professional marksman with an accurised rifle and optical scope moving with skill under cover at mid to long-range eliminating individuals after careful spotting and assessment.

The other is 'some buttmuch with an AKM in an elevated position placing shots, many barely-aimed near friendly forces hoping to suppress them and perhaps hit some of them'. The media in particular refers to all partially hidden gunmen as 'snipers'.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

"When the fighting is over in Fallujah, I will sell everything I have, even my home," said a resistance fighter who gave his name as Abu Taif Mashhadani. He wept as he recalled his 8-year-old daughter who he said was killed by a U.S. sniper in Fallujah a week ago. "I will send my brothers north to kill the Kurds, and I will go to America and target the civilians. Only the civilians. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And the one who started it will be the one to be blamed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4767657/[/quote]
If the liberation / occupation of Iraq lasts for maybe 3 years and things are as ****ty as they are now yes we will see attacks by dissdent Iraqi groups in Europe but I am not so sure about the US.

[Tane Angle]

Do I think that Marine snipers might have fired the shot? No. I've known a good number of Marine snipers in my time, worked with them, seen what they can do-they don't really miss much. And I don't think they would have intentionally fired at her.

However, whether what the man believes is true or not, he believes it. Perception is key. He may be blaming the wrong people, but he's still blaming the US. It doesn't matter what may be true in this situation, so much as what he believes. Revenge is an accepted custom in many parts of the world, and worth keeping in mind. It would not be wise to ignore the potential of threats such as these.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[stuntman]

It's simple! The Iraqi's throw the word sniper like we use the word terrorist. To take away the honor of them being soldiers. Although the Iraqi terrorist have no honor! But thats my opinion.

[Skaman]

I really dont think any US serviceman is going to single out and target a little kid. firstly because of the morality and secondly because getting to grips with blokes shooting at you is rather most uppermost !


American soldiers have to much inherent morality to commit such a crime? Tell that to the women and children of Vietnam.

I have grown tired of the malicious and vengeance remarks in addressing the Iraqi people in response to the current conflict. Many of you are so quick to condemn these people as veracious, horrible and inhumane. One cannot seem to comprehend the fallacy of evangelism you think the Western soldier embodies. War does horrible things to people, Western and Eastern alike, from all corners of the globe. The chaos and mental anguish of war, the sight of suffering and death all drive people to the limits of their rational thought. These people commit crimes beyond civil imagination, yet I want you to take a step back and examine your own troops or ‘evangelists’.

Not all Chechens are ruthless Islamic extremists, The Iraqis of Fulluju are not terrorists, the Americans of the Vietnam War are not all ‘baby killers’. War draws the worst out in man, and often creates a horrible image for the rest of the collective. Enough of this retribution bull ****, and raw raw America payback crap. Take a look back at some of the actions your own countrymen subjected during these horrible days of war.





We were walking some grunts out on a beachhead. And there was some fisherman out on the ocean and a couple of our sergeants thought it would be good sport to use them as target practice. So they swung the 50 caliber around and they just shot the **** out of them for no reason, I guess.

SP/4 Gary Keyes, American Division (VVAW 1972)

Also, we threw full C-Ration cans at kids on the side of the road. Kids would be lined up on the side of the road. They’d be yelling out: “Chop, Chop, Chop”, and they wanted food. They knew we carried C-Rations. Well, just for a joke, these guys would take a full can and if they were riding shotgun and would throw it as hard as they could at the kids head. I saw several kids’ heads split wide open, knocked off the road, knocked into the tires of vehicles behind, and knocked under the tanks traps.

SP/4 Sam Schorr, Eighty Sixth Combat Engineers

I saw one case where a woman was shot by a sniper, one of our guys. When we got up to her she was asking for water. And the lieutenant said to kill her. So he ripped off her clothes, they stabbed her in both breasts, they ripped hear eagle and shoved an E-Tool up her ******, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for water. And then they took that out and they used a tree limb and then she was shot.

Sgt. Scott Camil, First Marine Divison

I was a prisoner of war negotiator. I was in Vietnam from ’66 to ’67. Being an interrogator the way I was, you definitely don’t win hearts and minds. I’ve heard about these ‘Bell Telephone Hours’, where they would crank people up with field phones. I guess we did them one better because we used a 12-volt jeep battery and you step on the gas and you crank up a lot of voltage. It was one of the normal things…The basic place you put it was the genitals…The major that I worked for had a fantastic capability of staking prisoners, utilizing a knife that was extremely sharp, and sort of filleting them like a fish. You know, trying to check out how much bacon he could make of a Vietnamese body to get information.

Lt. Jon Drolshagan, Twenty-fifth Infantry


Testimonials from: The Spitting Image, Myth, memory and the Legacy of Vietnam by Jerry Lembcke

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11694&highlight=

[Fox2]

Ducimus19, does that statement encompass Canadians as well? Do you think Canadian snipers in that situation might be capable of intentionally targeting children?

Because if not, you are a hypocrite.

[Skaman]

Ducimus19, does that statement encompass Canadians as well? Do you think Canadian snipers in that situation might be capable of intentionally targeting children?

Because if not, you are a hypocrite.

I think they are. Does anyone recall the human rights abuses of the Somali children back in 93' by the airborne? I don’t want to sound pretentious, but these war-crime abuses are far more common among the ranks of American soldiers than Canadian. Perhaps due to the fact that American soldiers frequent volatile war zones more often I am not sure, but that trend cannot be denied.

[Pooga]

Don't bring Vietnam into this.

[stuntman]

I really dont think any US serviceman is going to single out and target a little kid. firstly because of the morality and secondly because getting to grips with blokes shooting at you is rather most uppermost !


American soldiers have to much inherent morality to commit such a crime? Tell that to the women and children of Vietnam.

I have grown tired of the malicious and vengeance remarks in addressing the Iraqi people in response to the current conflict. Many of you are so quick to condemn these people as veracious, horrible and inhumane. One cannot seem to comprehend the fallacy of evangelism you think the Western soldier embodies. War does horrible things to people, Western and Eastern alike, from all corners of the globe. The chaos and mental anguish of war, the sight of suffering and death all drive people to the limits of their rational thought. These people commit crimes beyond civil imagination, yet I want you to take a step back and examine your own troops or ‘evangelists’.

Not all Chechens are ruthless Islamic extremists, The Iraqis of Fulluju are not terrorists, the Americans of the Vietnam War are not all ‘baby killers’. War draws the worst out in man, and often creates a horrible image for the rest of the collective. Enough of this retribution bull ****, and raw raw America payback crap. Take a look back at some of the actions your own countrymen subjected during these horrible days of war.





We were walking some grunts out on a beachhead. And there was some fisherman out on the ocean and a couple of our sergeants thought it would be good sport to use them as target practice. So they swung the 50 caliber around and they just shot the **** out of them for no reason, I guess.

SP/4 Gary Keyes, American Division (VVAW 1972)

Also, we threw full C-Ration cans at kids on the side of the road. Kids would be lined up on the side of the road. They’d be yelling out: “Chop, Chop, Chop”, and they wanted food. They knew we carried C-Rations. Well, just for a joke, these guys would take a full can and if they were riding shotgun and would throw it as hard as they could at the kids head. I saw several kids’ heads split wide open, knocked off the road, knocked into the tires of vehicles behind, and knocked under the tanks traps.

SP/4 Sam Schorr, Eighty Sixth Combat Engineers

I saw one case where a woman was shot by a sniper, one of our guys. When we got up to her she was asking for water. And the lieutenant said to kill her. So he ripped off her clothes, they stabbed her in both breasts, they ripped hear eagle and shoved an E-Tool up her ******, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for water. And then they took that out and they used a tree limb and then she was shot.

Sgt. Scott Camil, First Marine Divison

I was a prisoner of war negotiator. I was in Vietnam from ’66 to ’67. Being an interrogator the way I was, you definitely don’t win hearts and minds. I’ve heard about these ‘Bell Telephone Hours’, where they would crank people up with field phones. I guess we did them one better because we used a 12-volt jeep battery and you step on the gas and you crank up a lot of voltage. It was one of the normal things…The basic place you put it was the genitals…The major that I worked for had a fantastic capability of staking prisoners, utilizing a knife that was extremely sharp, and sort of filleting them like a fish. You know, trying to check out how much bacon he could make of a Vietnamese body to get information.

Lt. Jon Drolshagan, Twenty-fifth Infantry


Testimonials from: The Spitting Image, Myth, memory and the Legacy of Vietnam by Jerry Lembcke

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11694&highlight=

You obviously have a anti American agenda please remember these reports are from another time by different soldiers!
I even read war crime from ww2 captive German soldiers talking about the brutality of Canadian soldiers over them! So we judge Canadian soldiers to be the same?? Please your a grown up no matter how much you kick and scream your being imature! The training is different there not conscripted and this is not vietnam!

[caleb]

Thu Apr 15,12:47 PM ET Add U.S. National - AFP to My Yahoo!


Hours later, on the same spot where the deer roamed, one of Long's men sees an Arab male walking with his hands in his pockets near their position. Long asks the marine to move out of the way. He wants this kill himself.

He aims his M-16 rifle through the thin wood boards and sandbags providing cover and shoots the man dead.

"I think Blake this is for you. I hope this is the f*** who got you," Long says.

He defends his actions.


An example from Iraq.....

Do you really believe that this war is so clean, so totally different from Vietnam? Then, my young friend, have you never seen what war can do to people... even to "brave" american soldiers.

[Skaman]

Thu Apr 15,12:47 PM ET Add U.S. National - AFP to My Yahoo!


Hours later, on the same spot where the deer roamed, one of Long's men sees an Arab male walking with his hands in his pockets near their position. Long asks the marine to move out of the way. He wants this kill himself.

He aims his M-16 rifle through the thin wood boards and sandbags providing cover and shoots the man dead.

"I think Blake this is for you. I hope this is the f*** who got you," Long says.

He defends his actions.


An example from Iraq.....

Do you really believe that this war is so clean, so totally different from Vietnam? Then, my young friend, have you never seen what war can do to people... even to "brave" american soldiers.


Agreed.

[hood]

Since Soulhunter has decided to fill up the general discussion forum with mindless posts, I've disabled his account. Let's get one thing straight here. There is no free speech here. If you think there is, you should leave now. If you're going to come in here and fill up the forums with unsubstantiated propaganda, your time here will be very short. This board is not for making statements and seeing how much of a reaction you can get from other members. We're starting to lose some very respectable and intelligent military people from this forum as of late because of this type of behavior. The disable account function has a new hotkey on my keyboard.