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Xtoisè
12-22-2006, 09:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/oUsuoVm_XKI


Light demolition carrier "Goliath" (Sd.Kfz.302/303a/303b)

In the year 1940 a small demolition carrier, which was developed by the french manufacturer Kegresse, was sunk in the Seine and recovered by the germans, who explored it detailed. Already in November 1940 the order to develop a small, remote controlled, fully tracked vehicle, which should carry at least 50kg of explosives, was given to Borgward. The idea behind that was to destroy enemy bunkers, fortified positions and even tanks from a safe distance with the help of this vehicle. Because the explosive charge was fixed to the vehicle, the whole vehicle was blown up at the target. It was intended to look like that enemy positions were discovered, then engineers, sitting in secure position, drove "Goliath" with remote control to the enemy and there the "Goliath" was blown up.

The prototype (as can be seen in the photo on the left) got four large wheels and was driven by two electric-motors, which were fed by two batteries. The production vehicle then got smaller roadwheels, fixed to leaf-springs, what led to two enough space between the tracks for battery-carrying sponsons on each side. That brought more space for the explosive charge, which was now 60kg! The track was guided above the sponsons by three return rollers and the idler wheel was made as disc-type.

So this was the "leichter Ladungsträger" (light demolition carrier) Sd.Kfz.302 - E-Motor (Electric engine) or even known as "Gerät 67". From April 1942 to January 1944 the manufacturers Borward and Zündapp produced 2650 of this type. It was propelled by two Bosch MM/RQL 2500/24 RL2 electric-motors, each giving 2.5kW. Two batteries gave the energy for the motors. With the overall weight of 370kg a maximum speed of 10kph could be achieved. The driving-range was about 1.5km on streets and 800m cross country. For longer transports there was a two wheeled trailer, on which "Goliath" was brought to the battle zone. At the rear of the vehicle the drum, which carried the wire, was located. It was a three strand wire, where two strands were for driving the vehicle and one for detonating the charge. The "Goliath" was 1.5m long, 0.85m wide, 0.56m high and the hull was made of 5mm steel. The tracks were 16cm wide and made of 48 links each. With a ground clearance of 11.4cm and a track ground contact length of 73cm it was enabled to cross trenches of 60cm width.

The first "Goliath" E-Motor vehicles were given to Panzerpionierkompanien (Goliath) 811-815, which belong to Heerespionierbataillon(mot) zbV600 (Taifun). Also the Pioniersturmbrigade 627 got some of the first "Goliath". Only a few "Goliath" E-Motor came into action, because the charge was too small to make big success and also the price of a Sd.Kfz.302 was about 3000,-RM (Reichsmark), which was expensive and was one of the main reasons to discontinue the production by January 1944 and to speed up the development of a cheaper carrier with a combustion engine. in March 1945 there were 2527 Sd.Kfz.302 ready for action, what shows that the use of this vehicle was very little.

As said before the "Goliath" should become better and cheaper. Already in November 1942 a demolition carrier was demanded, which could carry bigger charges over longer distances. The manufacturers Zündapp and Zachertz built a successor with the base of a "Goliath", which got a combustion engine. The designation was "Leichter Ladungsträger (V-Motor)", "Goliath", Sd.Kfz.303a respectively Sd.Kfz.303b or "Gerät 671" respectively "Gerät 672".

The first version (Sd.Kfz.303a / Gerät 671) was built from April 1943 to September 1944 in a number of 4604. This vehicle could carry a 75kg charge. A Zündapp SZ7 two cylinder, two-stroke-engine with 703cm³ gave 12.5bhp and speeded the 370kg heavy vehicle to 10kph. The petrol tank, located at the rear, contained 6 litre, so the maximum range of 12km on streets or 6-8km cross-country was given. The hull was made of 10mm steel and the vehicle hat a length of 1.62m, a width of 0.84m and a heigth of 0.6m. In contast to the electric-motor version, this version got a new designed spoked idler, only two return rollers, a raised air-intake cowl on hull top and the roadwheels were suspended by swingarms and coil springs. The tracks weighted 25.5kg and were made of 48 links each.
Of the following version Sd.Kfz.303b / Gerät 672 were 325 produced from November 1944 on. This version now could carry a 100kg charge and can be distinguished from version "a" by the dimensions. The length now was 1.63m, the width 0.91m and the height 0.62m. Despite of increased weight of 430kg it could achive a speed of 11.5kph with the same engine. The other technical data is the same as for Sd.kfz.303a.


The sponsons on each side carried now two batteries, the control unit and air filters. At the front of the hullt the charge was placed, while the engine was in the middle compartment. At the rear the wire-drum, which carried 650m of wire, was placed as well as the petrol tank as mentioned before. The ground clearance was 16.8cm which allowed a wade depth of 22cm. The trench crossing abilty of the Sd.Kfz.303a was 85cm and of Sd.Kfz.303b even 1.00m. [

To produce a "Goliath V-Motor" about 542kg of unalloyed and 10kg alloyed iron was needed. The price of this type of "Goliath" was only 1000,-RM, which was more cheap than the "Goliath" with electric motor. Nevertheless this version also wasn't very successful und also not often used in combat. Of all, nearly 5000 produced Sd.Kfz.303, were 3797 still waiting for action in January 1945!

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Source.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b48ddbd1f31.htm


http://worldwar2database.com/images/goliath.jpg

http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2006/mytankisfight/goliath_1.jpg


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Zeke
12-22-2006, 10:05 PM
Extremely interesting post mate, cheers!

Xtoisè
12-22-2006, 10:07 PM
2 images i provided dont seem to show anymore, if anyone has more please post them.

Xtoisè
12-22-2006, 10:13 PM
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1167/goli4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1167/goli6.jpg

1: wire-drum carrying 650m three-stranded control-wire
2: Petrol-tank for combustion engine containing 6 liter petrol
3: 2-cylinder two-stroke combustion engine with 703cm³.
4: engine cooling ventilator; air supply through air-intake cowl on hull top.
5: room for explosive charge 75kg / 100kg

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1167/goli2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1167/egoliath.html

Xtoisè
12-22-2006, 10:20 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Mini-tanks-p012953.jpg/781px-Mini-tanks-p012953.jpg

Use in warsaw uprising.

Goliaths were used on all fronts where the Wehrmacht fought, beginning in spring 1942. They were used principally by specialized Panzer and combat engineer units. Goliaths were used most notoriously in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, as Wehrmacht and SS units were deployed to crush fierce Polish resistance by the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa). As the Poles had only a small number of antitank weapons, volunteers were often sent to cut off the command cables of the Goliath before it reached its intended target. A few Goliaths were also seen on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day, though most were rendered inoperative due to artillery cutting their command cables.

Although a total of 7,564 Goliaths of both models were produced, the single use weapon was not regarded as being successful because of its high unit cost, slow speed (less than ten miles per hour), poor ground clearance, thin armour that did not protect it from any kind of modern antitank weapons and vulnerable command cables. Fighting during the Warsaw Uprising showed that if the Goliath was not covered by suppressive fire its command cables could be easily-severed by a single determined combatant armed with nothing but a shovel. The Goliath did, however, help lay the foundation for post-World War II advances in remote-controlled vehicle technologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_tracked_mine


"Here's a piece of Goliath, a small remotely controlled Nazi tank full of explosives, used in 1944 (World War II) to destroy the church of St. John the Baptist. These days the piece can be seen on the external wall of St. John the Baptist church. "

http://p.vtourist.com/898962-Warsaw_Uprising-Warsaw.jpg

goat89
12-22-2006, 10:28 PM
Wow. Interesting! Thx!

mas-36
12-22-2006, 10:33 PM
Very interesting post! Fascinating device. I wonder if any photos exists of the original French concept? I understand some were used in D-Day against Allied troops, but their effectiveness was practically nil, as none of them blew up. They did seem to have limited succes on the eastern front from what I've read. I believe they were nicknamed "beetle" by Allied forces.

On another note, what really surprises me is that this comes from a post in freerepublic, where objectivity takes a seat behind French-baiting. Only one surrender joke for that thread, a record.

Hypno85
12-22-2006, 10:34 PM
Remind me of company of heros. But they look massive in real life.

goat89
12-22-2006, 10:36 PM
Remind me of company of heros. But they look massive in real life.
Yes... build them from bunkers... place them on either bridge in the Vire River Valley map... wait fro Allies to come and shoot...then... BOOM! There goes bridge, Goliath and the squad of Allied infantrymen trying to kill the Goliath.

rolls
12-22-2006, 10:44 PM
Yes... build them from bunkers... place them on either bridge in the Vire River Valley map... wait fro Allies to come and shoot...then... BOOM! There goes bridge, Goliath and the squad of Allied infantrymen trying to kill the Goliath.


Ahhh but at 125Munitions id rather upgrade some stormtroopers, or wait itll ihave 150 for Mechanized Stukas :) hehehe


Good Post!

Xtoisè
12-22-2006, 10:45 PM
Remind me of company of heros. But they look massive in real life.

They've been introduced just recently in other ww2 games.

firdaus_84
12-23-2006, 04:22 AM
the title of this thread really full with sense of provocation....interesting..

Cpt. Spaulding
12-23-2006, 07:46 AM
I have a book about, is called

Unusual Panzers
"Goliath" - Recovery - Engineer - Minesweepers - and others
Sawodny - Shiffer Military History

It have a lot of b/w photos and very good info

Württemberg
12-23-2006, 08:18 AM
Definitely one of the coolest "toys" during ww2.

Zielony
12-23-2006, 08:46 AM
I have seen it in Military Museum in Wroclaw :)
cool toy

Niels
12-23-2006, 09:18 AM
Took this one at a museum in Normandy.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6046/1001321gb7.jpg

Canuck Farrier
12-23-2006, 09:47 AM
Good posts thanks,I have the first Vid on the old VHS.

minimus
12-23-2006, 12:08 PM
I have seen it in Military Museum in Wroclaw :)
cool toy

A cool toy???? Are you really that stupid??

KillerBD
12-23-2006, 12:35 PM
Good post, interesting stuff.

He219
12-23-2006, 12:59 PM
http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80142&highlight=goliath


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/more/04212b2b.jpg

U.S. Navy men take apart a Nazi German "Goliath", a miniature tank loaded with explosives, during the Allied Normandy landings in France, in June 1944.

Hypno85
12-23-2006, 05:56 PM
Yes... build them from bunkers... place them on either bridge in the Vire River Valley map... wait fro Allies to come and shoot...then... BOOM! There goes bridge, Goliath and the squad of Allied infantrymen trying to kill the Goliath.

Yup exactly blow the brigdes and keep AT gun and bunker on them and then hold the middle sending the goliaths in, To weaken the defence of the allies then rush with all your armor and knight cross vets.

devil99
12-23-2006, 06:36 PM
Very intresting, thanks.