FALLUJAH, a sniper's dream

[snake_eater]

'It's a sniper's dream'
Marine sharpshooters use stealth, high-powered rifles in Fallujah


Tony Perry
Los Angeles Times
Associated Press



FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Taking a short breather Friday, the 21-year-old Marine corporal explained what it is like to practice his lethal skill in the battle for this city.

"It's a sniper's dream," he said in polite, matter-of-fact tones. "You can go anywhere and there are so many ways to fire at the enemy without him knowing where you are."

Sniping -- killing an enemy from long distance with a single shot -- has become a significant tactic for Marines in this "Sunni Triangle" city as three battalions skirmish daily with armed insurgents who can find cover among the buildings, walls and trees.

Marine sniper teams are spread in and around the city, working night and day, using powerful scopes, thermal imaging equipment and specially modified bolt-action rifles that allow them to identify and target armed insurgents from 800 yards or more.

Sniping experts -- there are several here with the Marines -- say there might not have been such a "target-rich" battlefield
for such shooters since the World War II battle for Stalingrad, during which German and Russian snipers dueled for months.

As a military tactic, sniping is centuries old; the first snipers used bows and arrows. Leonardo da Vinci is said to have been a sniper against the Holy Roman Empire.

Weapons change, but the goal of the sniper remains the same: harass and intimidate the enemy, make him afraid to venture into the open, deny him the chance to rest and regroup.

The Marines believe their snipers have killed hundreds of insurgents, although that figure alone does not accurately portray the significance of sniping. A sign on the wall of sniper school at Camp Pendleton, Calif., displays a Chinese proverb: "Kill One Man, Terrorize a Thousand." "Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the morale of his buddies," said the Marine corporal. "Then I'll use a second shot."

In negotiations aimed at ending the standoff in the city, the insurgents have demanded that the Marines pull back their snipers.

A shaky truce exists between the Marines who surround the city and the fighters within the circle. But the cease-fire allows the Marines to carry out defensive operations within the city, which among other things they define as allowing fire on insurgents who display weapons, break the curfew or move their forces toward U.S. troops.

While official policy discourages Marines from keeping a personal count of people they have killed, the custom continues. In nearly two weeks of conflict here, the corporal from a Midwestern city has emerged as the top sniper, with 24 confirmed kills. By comparison, the top Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam killed 103 people in 16 months.

"As a sniper your goal is to completely demoralize the enemy," said the corporal, who played football and ran track in high school and dreams of becoming a high school coach. "I couldn't have asked to be in a better place. I just got lucky: to be here at the right time and with the right training."

The military has asked that sniper names not be published. Insurgents were said to have placed a bounty for the killing of any Marine sniper. A Web site, linked to the insurgents, attempts to provide information on snipers and their family members. During Vietnam, the Viet Cong also put a bounty on snipers.

Marine snipers, whose motto is "one shot, one kill," fire from rooftops in crowded urban areas of Fallujah, as well as exploring the city by foot. It sometimes takes hours to set up a shot, as the sniper hides in the distance, waiting for the opportune moment.

Marine officers credit the snipers, all of whom are enlisted men, with saving Marine lives by suppressing enemy fire and allowing their comrades greater freedom of movement.

"The snipers clear the streets for us," said Capt. Douglas Zembiec. "The snipers are true heroes."

Sniper teams have come under fire and suffered casualties. Marine intelligence suggests that the insurgents -- using Russian- and Chinese-made rifles and optics -- have their own sniper teams, but there have been no reports of Marines killed by sniper fire.

Unlike other infantry troops, the sniper has a greater confidence that his shot is not as likely to hit a civilian or a "friendly."

The corporal hopes to get back home by late fall in time to take his girlfriend to a college football game and go deer hunting with his father.

"When I go hunting for whitetail, it's for food and sport," he said. "Here, when I go hunting, it's personal, very personal."



Excellent work!

[American Patriot]

"When I go hunting for whitetail, it's for food and sport," he said. "Here, when I go hunting, it's personal, very personal."

woot

[FinnishMF]

"When I go hunting for whitetail, it's for food and sport," he said. "Here, when I go hunting, it's personal, very personal."

woot

?? "woot" ?

[Brozozo]

Great story!!! Get some!

24 kills? Wow, that's one motivated, hardcore Marine!

[snake_eater]

Great story!!! Get some!

24 kills? Wow, that's one motivated, hardcore Marine!

That is 24 kills in two weeks!

[duck]

Much less collateral damage than from CAS or artillery. They are saving lives on both sides in the end.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Those are some professional madafakaz!
Semper Fi! woot

[ariweiner]

Of course several reports of Marines shooting unarmed civilians including children doesn't factor into our cheering.

[FinnishMF]

Of course several reports of Marines shooting unarmed civilians including children doesn't factor into our cheering.
**** happens :|

[MaDuce]

Of course several reports of Marines shooting unarmed civilians including children doesn't factor into our cheering.
Remeber kids don't feed the trolls.

[Trident-za]

Good work by the Marine snipers. Definitely a better tactic than CAS and artillery.....

[Dennis G]

In negotiations aimed at ending the standoff in the city, the insurgents have demanded that the Marines pull back their snipers.


good going Marines

[Skaman]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

[fdt]

Of course several reports of Marines shooting unarmed civilians including children doesn't factor into our cheering.You say reports. I say show me sources and confirmations...

Don't hesitate. I promise to believe when I see those.

Every yank bomb is "cluster". Every shot kid is killed by sniper and every dead mofo is a civilian (yeah, sure as they take the rifle from the dead he becomes unarmed victim a minute after death)...

BTW: Do You know the difference between shooting AK-47 and bolt action scoped rifle...?

[ChuckThunder]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

They should be happy, knowing they're removing some sh*thead who wouldn't think twice about killing their fellow servicemen and women.

Go Marines!

[fdt]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!Shooting armed enemy makes more sense to me than shooting deer in forest...

[pAt]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!


maybe this dude is happy about killin the ****ers that killed his fellow marines and paybacks a bitch isnt it?
and another thing why are you in the military and think its sick to shoot anoter human being?

[Damian]

Good Job Marines!

[duck]

Hunting instincts, they are in all of us. There is nothing sinister about them.

[fdt]

Hunting instincts, they are in all of us. There is nothing sinister about them.Once an SF writer S. Lem gave such a definition of the human: "Agressive and predatory hairless ape."

[Skaman]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!


maybe this dude is happy about killin the f*** that killed his fellow marines and paybacks a bitch isnt it?
and another thing why are you in the military and think its sick to shoot anoter human being?



Its NOT a DREAM I cherish

[Brozozo]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...

[spoonman]

This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings.

so? just because socially this is thought to be wrong does not make it so. at it's core the issue may be killing other human beings but there are other factors that prevent this from being a black and white issue that you are refusing to see.

personally i believe that to truly be the best at what you do you need to enjoy it, and i am **** ing ecstatic that the Marines there are enjoying what they do.

[ForceReaper]

The most dangerous person on the battlefield is a Marine and his rifle!
It is one shot one kill not one shot one injury! 8541's kick ass! Ohh-Rah.

[FinnishMF]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah?s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!


maybe this dude is happy about killin the f*** that killed his fellow marines and paybacks a bitch isnt it?
and another thing why are you in the military and think its sick to shoot anoter human being?

No he isn't

[duck]

Not always one shot, one kill. A wounded enemy ties down several others to rescue him. More targets, less combatants.

[FinnishMF]

This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings.

so? just because socially this is thought to be wrong does not make it so. at it's core the issue may be killing other human beings but there are other factors that prevent this from being a black and white issue that you are refusing to see.

personally i believe that to truly be the best at what you do you need to enjoy it, and i am f*** ing ecstatic that the Marines there are enjoying what they do.
You are wrong.

[American Patriot]

It's a few thousand of theirs versus 200,000 thousand of ours. :(

[spoonman]

This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings.

so? just because socially this is thought to be wrong does not make it so. at it's core the issue may be killing other human beings but there are other factors that prevent this from being a black and white issue that you are refusing to see.

personally i believe that to truly be the best at what you do you need to enjoy it, and i am f*** ing ecstatic that the Marines there are enjoying what they do.
You are wrong.

no. i am not. it is your opinion that i am wrong, neither of us have any actual foundation for being right or wrong so there is no argument here but since i do not believe i am wrong i am not.

[Skaman]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.

[American Patriot]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.

Are you in the Army Reserve?

[SeanAshi]

This topic makes me sickYou are Canadian, everything makes you guys sick.

[FinnishMF]

You haven?t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.

Same questions to Spoonman. I don't think that any soldier likes killing, maybe some like it some way, but not so widely or deeply you described.

[Skaman]

This topic makes me sickYou are Canadian, everything makes you guys sick.

Thanks for the generalization. I am sure we deserved it being the bunch of hippie leftie morons we are.

[duck]

If the Iraqi police and defence corps would not just collect pay but also do their jobs the Marines wouldn't be in Fallujah. What should they do about gunmen roaming the streets? They have strict ROEs, but the insurgents are following none.

[Brozozo]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.

I'm sure it entails ****-talking other soldiers and preparing banners for the next peace rally... :roll:

...suck it up, buttercup.

[SeanAshi]

Its war...what do you expect?

[Falco]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.

I'm sure it entails ****-talking other soldiers and preparing banners for the next peace rally... :roll:

...suck it up, buttercup.

rofl rofl

[kommando]

im sure at the moment that the snipers training and emotions are kicking in and sometimes they might not even be feeling anything but hate when the shoot an enemy, but i dont think they take delight in it that is sort of morbid.

my grandfather was a sniper in veitnam, and he is still emotionally scarred becuase u have got to remember snipers see the face very clearly of the one theyare about to shoot befor they shoot them.

although what can u say though bar good work. :roll:

[FinnishMF]

Its war...what do you expect?
war :|

[Saint]

Ducimus...sometimes it boggles my mind that your in the Canadian Forces?

[Irish_Man]

This topic makes me sick
You are Canadian, everything makes you guys sick.

Funny thing is that the USMC sniper teams in the Nam drew their inspiration from a Canadian sniper in WW1.

The book was called "A rifleman went to War" and was written by a guy called McBride. This book was like a bible to the likes of Gunny Hathcock (top USMC sniper in the NAM).

Now there's a piece in info I bet you did not know.

http://www.sightm1911.com/bookstore/sniper.htm

woot

[-Max2-]

Good read.

Go Marines ! :)

[Scrim]

Good article. Id be enjoying every minute of it too.
Ducimus- Damn Im soo glad that you are not, or ever will be in my unit.
I really do feel bad for your brothers in arms that have the misfortune of serving with you.
My hat is off to you for the humanitarian work you and your unit have done, but maybe you should have joined the Peace Corps, ehh?

[Saint]

Duci, let me clear it up alittle. I usually remain silent about most topics because frankly I don't give a ****. However, I, like yourself (I think you do anyway?) attend University. I know what university tries to do, especially Canadian universities. Most classes are taught by liberal professors who indirectly lay out the facts of how "evil" the United States is. They also have a tendancy to brag about Canada and how wonderful it is. A lot of people tend to follow this method of thinking and completely ignore both sides of the story. Duci, your a very "matter-of-fact" person...you see black and white and in turn it makes you very blind to the other side of the story. Yes war sucks; yes people die and suffer (innocent people); however this is war. I know if I was that Marine sniper, I would take pride in picking off that mother f***** who would take me and my buds out if giver the chance. This is war. I imagine this is how soldiers deal with the stresses and pains of war. The reason it blows my mind that your in the CF is that I do not believe you would be able to handle conflict if something were to happen and you were called up to serve over seas.
The impression I get when you post is that your a very jealous person. You will more than likely deny this. You seem jealous that the US is a super-power and have all the best"toys" when it comes to warfare. You seem pissed that Canada has no voice when it coms to world issues. You sound like one of those guys who LOVE IT when Canada beats the US in something. I could be wrong but this is what I gather.
Also, I remember making this point awhile back. Im from a border city. We border Detroit, Michigan. And here, no one gives a flying f*** if your American or Canadian...it just seems like those little hick towns south and north of the border are the ones that really care.
If I am wrong, why do you seem to hate everything American?

[SR15]

This topic makes me sickYou are Canadian, everything makes you guys sick.

Thanks for the generalization. I am sure we deserved it being the bunch of hippie leftie morons we are.
not everyone hippie or leftie ,like you :bash:
there is some good people too.

Go Marines !!! woot

[duck]

im sure at the moment that the snipers training and emotions are kicking in and sometimes they might not even be feeling anything but hate when the shoot an enemy, but i dont think they take delight in it that is sort of morbid.

my grandfather was a sniper in veitnam, and he is still emotionally scarred becuase u have got to remember snipers see the face very clearly of the one theyare about to shoot befor they shoot them.

although what can u say though bar good work. :roll:

If a sniper has had proper training, he will not let emotions disturb his concentration too much. Remember even rapid breathing or pulse can make you miss a target. Btw, I believe the Marines prefer to operate at night so the faces are not really an issue. More likely to get nightmares involving moving greenish silhouettes.

[Seraphim]

Is there a link to this story?

[Shake n Bake]

sombody find duci a band aid for his pussy

[MetalBoy]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

You better believe it, HOO-F'in-RAH!!

[Brozozo]

sombody find duci a band aid for his pussy

rofl rofl rofl rofl

[TALOS]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.
Im not in the military but I have a few friends who are and others who were and you dont talk like any of them. What unit you in? what is your job description, are you rear area or actual infantry?
Are you west or east coast? what university do you attend because man, you are so anti military anti us its amazing they let you stay in the unit. I bet you talk back to the non coms or at least mumble under your breath when they turn their backs because I would be shocked if they share your feelings on this subject.

[Jack Mehoff]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

Coming for a conscientious objector like you, I totally understand.

As for me, if ANYBODY takes a shot at me or my friends, then he will ****ing DIE.

[Seraphim]

I think Duci is in The Calgary Highlanders

[TALOS]

I think Duci is in The Calgary Highlanders
Hmmm.... now that does surprise me, most Albertans I have met are quite redneck in attitude.
My brother is into hunting and fishing and all like most of em and they dont tend to be squemish.

[ShotOver]

Great article :D

I enjoyed the part about the Marine shooting one and letting him scream, to scare his buddies, then using the "Second shot" probally to his head.

Good stuff.

[Brozozo]

I think Duci is in The Calgary Highlanders

What makes you say that, I;m guessing he is infantry, but why the Calgary highlanders?

[Skaman]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.
Im not in the military but I have a few friends who are and others who were and you dont talk like any of them. What unit you in? what is your job description, are you rear area or actual infantry?
Are you west or east coast? what university do you attend because man, you are so anti military anti us its amazing they let you stay in the unit. I bet you talk back to the non coms or at least mumble under your breath when they turn their backs because I would be shocked if they share your feelings on this subject.


I shouldn’t have to explain myself to some arrogant civilian with a hard on for the military. Furthermore, your speculations and judgments are completely unsubstantiated and not accurate in the least. This is the last time I am going to do this, so listen carefully. I joined the military in the wake of 911 in response to my heartfelt need to protect my nation, should it need me. I joined the Infantry reserve as I wanted to participate in something hands on, active, and challenging. As the war on terror progressed, I found myself deceived, joining for all the wrong reasons. Nonetheless, the reserves offered me a hefty tuition reimbursement, and excellent job to push myself. I do not regret my employment with the CF, and have enjoyed every minute of my service. In all honesty, my mentality as an infantryman is quite different from others in my unit, and few think in my respect. Few care to talk about politics, and stay focused on the job. I often hear comments like’ blow the rag-heads away’ etc. among my ranks although I say nothing as it is not my place. I maintain my professionalism in the workplace, and keep differences aside, focusing on the job at hand. I cooperate effectively as a collective with my section, and remained focused. Few share my sphere of thought; then again, you may be right that it is attributed to my schooling as not many soldiers among our ranks of NCM’s in the infantry are students. Rather than see my university studies as a burden, or ‘pussification’ it has opened my eyes. I maintain both aspects of my life, yet I never mix the two together. I am proud of my nation, and strive for the best. I am here when my nation needs of me, and I will fulfill my duties as needed. I don’t relish the sight of death, nor do I ever want to shoot another human being if presented with this situation. Would I? Yes, if it is needed of me. One must however draw the line. I am willing to fulfill my duties to an extent…, would I shoot unarmed or wounded man, NO, would I participate in a conflict I saw to be morally unjust? No. I am convinced my nation will lead our Armed Forces with pride and dignity, and if I had speculated the credibility of our armed forces and its direction, I would not have joined. Lastly, I live in Western Canada, attend a University, and am an active participant of my local light infantry unit. I am not a member of the Cal Hi’s. Please show some respect, I am not here to be paraded about and questioned by this forum’s user base.

[duck]

So, have you had or will you have marksmanship/sniper training?

[usa320]

Ducimus, youve lost all credibility here. The insults. The multiple accounts. The disrespect for the rules. Opinions and politics aside, nothing you say here really bears any weight, so dont fill threads with baseless rumors and harsh personal attacks. Dont bother posting page long essays defending your posts or your poor behavior. Everyone here has already formulated their opnion in regards to you, and nothing you really say will change it. Now im not saying that in 10 years you wont make a good infantryman, because people certainly change. But at this point, based on your postings, i really feel that you lack the maturity, stability and dedication to serve in a befitting manner. For an example, you and your squad are taking fire from a building in an urban combat situation. Your squad is pinned down, and your commander orders you to destroy the facility with a missile. Now a soldier would obey that order and would destroy the building. Judging by your attitude, you would be the person instead refusing to follow that order because their might be civilians in side. Now that decision to disregard that order for your emotions, that decision could easily put your whole squad in danger, and someone would wind up killed.
Now, on topic-


Of course several reports of Marines shooting unarmed civilians including children doesn't factor into our cheering

THe only such report was that bull**** blog.

Snipers improve combat effectiveness, and slice civilian casualties in half, if not three fold.

[Skaman]

Ducimus, youve lost all credibility here. The insults. The multiple accounts. The disrespect for the rules. Opinions and politics aside, nothing you say here really bears any weight, so dont fill threads with baseless rumors and harsh personal attacks.




The insults

Show me a healthy supply of insults

The multiple accounts.

Give me proof of multiple accounts, PM the MODS or hood, they can trace my IP

The disrespect for the rules

Which rules am I consistently breaking?

baseless rumors and harsh personal attacks.

Give me a break. Which baseless rumors and personal attacks would you be referring to?

credibility

The last thing I want is your credit or respect.

[usa320]

actually, i wont defend any of my statements. Delete this post please. It only feeds the troll.

[Hydro]

OK, I'm going to go out on a limb on this one. Don't bash Duci too hard. At least he tries to keep mature about it. You may not agree with what he has to say, but isn't that the whole point? There must always be debate. You see something from this side of the fence, he's just on the other side. He's biased, so are you. Am I sticking up for him? Yes, because I believe the view from the other side of the fence is just as important as the view from this side.

There are arguments for what Duci has to say and arguments against. The same applies for anyone else. Don't try to think in black and white. It may seem to make things easier, whereas it only makes things harder. The same can be applied to yourself, Ducimus.

Bear this in mind - Ducimus is a serving soldier. (Reservist I believe? So was I, albeit briefly in the British Territorials . More like playing at soldiers in my case, but there we go.)

[Skaman]

You troll. You know it. Youve insulted people on this forum, not only on occasion, but often. I will not waste time wading through old threads to post exact examples, but you know that you have made crude personal attacks on many occasions.

I cant prove you are using multiple accounts. Neither can moderators. Anyone can use IP cloaking, and many computers use Dynamic IP addresses. But there are multiple account users out there. They know who they are, and the people on this forum suspect who they are.

And i am not here to give you respect. That is the last thing id do.


You can’t even substanitate your own argument, go figure. Speak for yourself, not the entire forum.

[duck]

Have you had marksmanship/sniper training or at least witnessed some?

[usa320]

I can, but i wont. i wont carry this argument on any further. It just adds to trash. It is feeding the troll. And i wont.

[Skaman]

Have you had marksmanship/sniper training or at least witnessed some?

How is this relevant?

[usa320]

the old changing of the subject...

Its relevant because if you have never gone through the extensive training that US Marine corps snipers have gone through, or similar training, you really arent in any position to second guess their actions or criticize them.

[duck]

You are making statements referring to Marine snipers. Do you know how extensive sniper training is?

[Skaman]

I can, but i wont. i wont carry this argument on any further. It just adds to trash. It is feeding the troll. And i wont.


NO you cant, you aren't fooling anyone.

[usa320]

thus he changes the subject again.

[Skaman]

You are making statements referring to Marine snipers. Do you know how extensive sniper training is?


I know of the difficulties and elaborate training process which our own forces are exposed to. I have heard accounts of US marksmanship training, but never witnessed it or participated in it for that matter.

[duck]

If you have the chance why not volunteer for the Canadian? And become the "sniper with a heart" who lets that Albanian/Congolese/Lebanese etc. gunman take a shot at your brothers-in-arms...

[usa320]

Thats exactly what i was pointing to when i said


you and your squad are taking fire from a building in an urban combat situation. Your squad is pinned down, and your commander orders you to destroy the facility with a missile. Now a soldier would obey that order and would destroy the building. Judging by your attitude, you would be the person instead refusing to follow that order because their might be civilians in side. Now that decision to disregard that order for your emotions, that decision could easily put your whole squad in danger, and someone would wind up killed.
Now, on topic-

[Skaman]

I won’t respond to these overly dramatized “if, but, then” scenarios. You know how I feel, leave it be.

[TALOS]

I won’t respond to these ovary dramatized “if, but, then” scenarios. You know how I feel, leave it be.
I am not gonna bash here Duci, I do appreciate your answering my post without hostility(for the most part, the arrogant civilian was unnecessary as I dont think I have ever said I know more than anyone else or that I am always right)
I will just make a couple of points, you said my questions and assumptions were wrong but if you read your reply you confirmed every assumption except for, and I take you at your word on it, that I stated you talk back or mumble under your breath.
Just a suggestion, and heavens I dont in any way say that this is something I figure you HAVE to do, BUT, even you admit that your opinions are not held by the majority in your unit. Maybe then you should not use a military icon to represent yourself if you know your opinions do not rep your unit and you feel that you were betrayed or mislead I believe you said. ;)

[Skaman]

I won’t respond to these ovary dramatized “if, but, then” scenarios. You know how I feel, leave it be.
I am not gonna bash here Duci, I do appreciate your answering my post without hostility(for the most part, the arrogant civilian was unnecessary as I dont think I have ever said I know more than anyone else or that I am always right)
I will just make a couple of points, you said my questions and assumptions were wrong but if you read your reply you confirmed every assumption except for, and I take you at your word on it, that I stated you talk back or mumble under your breath.
Just a suggestion, and heavens I dont in any way say that this is something I figure you HAVE to do, BUT, even you admit that your opinions are not held by the majority in your unit. Maybe then you should not use a military icon to represent yourself if you know your opinions do not rep your unit and you feel that you were betrayed or mislead I believe you said. ;)

I apologize if you were offended. I grow increasingly tired of the consistent questioning, speculations, and judgments. And for my avatar, I have changed it.

Ducimus

[TALOS]

I apologize if you were offended. I grow increasingly tired of the consistent questioning, speculations, and judgments. And for my avatar, I have changed it.

Ducimus
Not offended, just didnt feel it fit my response ;) thx for the apology tho.

As for the questioning and speculation we all get grilled eventually, its just that this is a promarily American site and is military oriented so understandably the pro military people will take offense at things that are anti military, nature of the beast as it were.
I am not military and was raised as a pacifist but feel that the military is a necessity in this increasingly unstable world. Others disagree but if we all try to at least make our posts civil we will get much further, IMHO ;)

[Seraphim]

Ok I think Duci is in the Loyal Edmonton Regiment.

[*Teryan*]

I'd really like to see a link to this article.
Alot of what was said does not sound right with the sniper web sites out their. And I am sceptical about the tactics the sniper said he used. Shooting a guy to have him scream, yes that lowers moral, but why waste another shot on him? More of a chance to have your position given away, and if the guy is screaming more targets will probly go to him, why not drop another guy (what happend to one shot one kill)? Since when does the Marine Core ask their sniper not to keep track of their kills? Carlos Hathcock knew how many kills he had (confimred and unconfirmed). His stance was that he was doing his job. When he started the Sniper School in Nam, he made snipers go thru a psychological test to get in. They really discuraged aginst revenge and making it personal.

Here are some of the web pages:
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/GoodbyeRomance.asp

http://www.5th-marine-snipers.com/

[Midav]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.sniper18apr18,0,2083643.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines

Very simple to look it up. Just surf the biggest library at your disposal: The Internet.

The tactics these guys are using is sound and efficient.

Not all shots are meant to kill. Snipers afflict grievous wounds to attempt to draw buddies out, or as the article plainly states, to lower morale.

Hearing someone screaming in agony, be it a comrade, ally or friend, must be horrible as hell.

Especially you seeing him lying there, mere meters away and there is nothing in the world you can do to help him, sans you sacrifice yourself in the attempt.

If the sniper is pulling out of the area, or perhaps because of other reasons, he usually issues the coup de grais to his wounded victim.

Standard procedure for most any sniper in any military.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Ducimus wrote,

I grow increasingly tired of the consistent questioning, speculations, and judgments.

If thats the case then perhaps you should consider ceasing your constant questioning, speculating and judgeing of others. Or do you prefer double standards?.


I know of the difficulties and elaborate training process which our own forces are exposed to. I have heard accounts of US marksmanship training, but never witnessed it or participated in it for that matter.

So really you 'know' next to nothing about snipers or their tradecraft. Not suprising considering your not a professional soldier. To judge a sniper when you've never been in his position and have no idea of the psychology needed to remain functional is nothing short pompous arrogance.

Why don't you post that portrait of GWB made out of dead US soldiers again. That did wonders for your credibility and reputation.

[Skaman]

Ducimus wrote,

I grow increasingly tired of the consistent questioning, speculations, and judgments.

If thats the case then perhaps you should consider ceasing your constant questioning, speculating and judgeing of others. Or do you prefer double standards?.


I know of the difficulties and elaborate training process which our own forces are exposed to. I have heard accounts of US marksmanship training, but never witnessed it or participated in it for that matter.

So really you 'know' next to nothing about snipers or their tradecraft. Not suprising considering your not a professional soldier. To judge a sniper when you've never been in his position and have no idea of the psychology needed to remain functional is nothing short pompous arrogance.

Why don't you post that portrait of GWB made out of dead US soldiers again. That did wonders for your credibility and reputation.


I am sure the many reservists on this forum would appreciate your idea that we are not “professional soldiers”. How about you tell us what we are, because I am sure you are fully qualified to do so. Enlighten us. I won’t even go into the "psychology" of a soldier in war.

Additionally, in reference to your latter comment, the portrait of GWB is a representation of the image he embodies: "a war president" Bush’s political agenda, and his 'image' will come at the cost of thousands of lives, and in actuality, it already has. Therefore, the artist has depicted the president in this manner.

[springwheat]

He seems happy to be putting his training to real use. He probably also thinks (and rightly so) that by properly employing his skills, he can prevent injury and death to his fellow Marines and many, many Iraqi civilians and combatants alike. Who can blame him for taking pride in doing his job well? As far as his attitude, he cannot begin to sympathize with those he shoots at, less he begin to hesitate and lose his nerve.

Hes probably seen a lot of death lately, and everyone deals with it in their own way.

[snake_eater]

Anyone notice ducimus's new avatar?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/88247168840832c076c9d3.jpg


The fuktard commie comes out of the closet.

The commie POS has no problem with an ideology that has murdered more people than any other, yet condems the USA for fighting Islamic terrorists and those despotic regimes like Saddam Hussien that support terrorists.

He also makes a hero out of terrorist revolutionaries. What a dip****.

[Jack Mehoff]

Ducimus, youve lost all credibility here. The insults. The multiple accounts. The disrespect for the rules. Opinions and politics aside, nothing you say here really bears any weight, so dont fill threads with baseless rumors and harsh personal attacks.




The insults

Show me a healthy supply of insults



Really? :roll: Should I show you?

[Skaman]

Are you confusing oppressive Stalinism with Communism or Marxism? Regardless, Che was not a perfect leader by any means. Many of his actions were well, not admirable.

[Uninen]

snake_eater,

Seriously you are the most hateful person ive ever seen on this forum and the language you use.....

I have nothing else to say than "Oh my ****ing god! I hope that the mods will ban you as soon as possible!"

And also, would you be so kind and shut the **** up, your a broken record with your "commie this", "commie that" bull****, and you have nothing else to give......

Just insults.

:bash:

[MetalBoy]

Anyone notice ducimus's new avatar?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/88247168840832c076c9d3.jpg


The fuktard commie comes out of the closet.

The commie POS has no problem with an ideology that has murdered more people than any other, yet condems the USA for fighting Islamic terrorists and their supporters like Saddam Hussien.

He also makes a hero out of terrorist revolutionaries. What a dip****.

What pisses me off even more is when I see Hispanic college students wearing those Che shirts around campus. Usually they just wear it cuz they think Che was some cool cultural hero, not because they are neccessarily communists. They have no f**ing clue. It's a sad sign of one's culture when their cultural hero was a commie guerrilla/terrorist.

[MetalBoy]

Are you confusing oppressive Stalinism with Communism or Marxism?

Different peas from the same pod. Stalinism was just the worst of the bunch.

[Jack Mehoff]

Ducimus wrote,

I grow increasingly tired of the consistent questioning, speculations, and judgments.

If thats the case then perhaps you should consider ceasing your constant questioning, speculating and judgeing of others. Or do you prefer double standards?.


I know of the difficulties and elaborate training process which our own forces are exposed to. I have heard accounts of US marksmanship training, but never witnessed it or participated in it for that matter.

So really you 'know' next to nothing about snipers or their tradecraft. Not suprising considering your not a professional soldier. To judge a sniper when you've never been in his position and have no idea of the psychology needed to remain functional is nothing short pompous arrogance.

Why don't you post that portrait of GWB made out of dead US soldiers again. That did wonders for your credibility and reputation.


I am sure the many reservists on this forum would appreciate your idea that we are not “professional soldiers”. How about you tell us what we are, because I am sure you are fully qualified to do so. Enlighten us. I won’t even go into the "psychology" of a soldier in war.



I think he meant professional soldiers are FULL time people. I was a professional soldier for 4 years. Now I'm not a professional soldier anymore because it's only my part time job (one weekend drill a month, 2-3 weeks AT a year). So no, you are not a professional soldier.

[snake_eater]

Are you confusing oppressive Stalinism with Communism or Marxism? Regardless, Che was not a perfect leader by any means. Many of his actions were well, not admirable.

There it is, the fuktard is a communist POS.

[snake_eater]

snake_eater,

Seriously you are the most hateful person ive ever seen on this forum and the language you use.....

I have nothing else to say than "Oh my f*** god! I hope that the mods will ban you as soon as possible!"

And also, would you be so kind and shut the f*** up, your a broken record with your "commie this", "commie that" bull****, and you have nothing else to give......

Just insults.

:bash:


And we got another communist POS here too.

[snake_eater]

The only good communist is a dead communist.

[Skaman]

Ducimus, youve lost all credibility here. The insults. The multiple accounts. The disrespect for the rules. Opinions and politics aside, nothing you say here really bears any weight, so dont fill threads with baseless rumors and harsh personal attacks.




The insults

Show me a healthy supply of insults



Really? :roll: Should I show you?


Would you be referring to those TWO quotes of mine in reference to Americanization some eight months ago? As I recall, such outbursts are uncommon, and notably, I apologized for such comments. Nonetheless, you like to bring up the same two statements time and time again.

I would like to reiterate a point made on Hoods front-page:

1. Be civil to your fellow forum user. They'll respect you if you respect them.

[Seraphim]

The only good communist is a dead communist.

You just lost all respect from me.

[Fintin]

anyone up for some ping pong?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Ducimus wrote,

I am sure the many reservists on this forum would appreciate your idea that we are not “professional soldiers”. How about you tell us what we are, because I am sure you are fully qualified to do so. Enlighten us. I won’t even go into the "psychology" of a soldier in war.

"Professional" as in soldiering is your profession. I thought a college boy would be able to figure that out. :cantbeli:


Additionally, in reference to your latter comment, the portrait of GWB is a representation of the image he embodies: "a war president" Bush’s political agenda, and his 'image' will come at the cost of thousands of lives, and in actuality, it already has. Therefore, the artist has depicted the president in this manner.

Your posting of which was obscene and calculated to offend. So don't whine about objectionable material or actions from others. You've proved yourself to no better.

uninen wrote,

"Oh my f*** god! I hope that the mods will ban you as soon as possible!"


Be careful what you wish for.


Seriously you are the most hateful person ive ever seen on this forum and the language you use.....

Cheek of the one who uses generalised insults about Malaysians and Albanians. Shall I dig up some examples of your language?.

[Seraphim]

anyone up for some ping pong?

I Rock at ping pong,

*pulls out calico*...jks, I do enjoy a game of ping pong.

[Skaman]

one weekend drill a month, 2-3 weeks AT a year


Well, my service constitutes more than that.

Week 1. C0's parade(thu)

Week2. Lecture(thu) . Weekend training(Saturday)

Week3. Unarmed Combat, Parade(thu)

Week 4. No Parade, three day exercise or range shoot at end of month(fri-sun)


Frequent taskings and courses through year for up to 12 month periods OF FULL service as a reservist.

[Skaman]

The only good communist is a dead communist.

Do you want to do the honors?

[Jack Mehoff]

one weekend drill a month, 2-3 weeks AT a year


Well, my service constitutes more than that.

Week 1. C0's parade(thu)

Week2. Lecture(thu) . Weekend training(Saturday)

Week3. Unarmed Combat, Parade(thu)

Week 4. No Parade, three day exercise or range shoot at end of month(fri-sun)


Frequent taskings and courses through year for up to 12 month periods OF FULL service as a reservist.

Do you have 2-3 weeks AT each year?

This is the typical U.S. NG/Reserve training days:
2-3 days weekend drill each month
2-3 weeks each summer for AT


It doesn't matter because you are NOT a professional soldier. If you think you are a "professional" soldier, then what do you call active duty soldiers who spend 24/7/365 playing soldiers?

[jizzmonkey]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!

If they cried every time they pulled the f*ckin trigger they wouldn't be Marines. They didn't become snipers in order to avoid killing people, now did they? Getting satisfaction from doing your job can be linked to any profession, I bet Tiger Woods gets a hard-on every time he swings a golf club. Why should it be any different for Marine snipers? Can't handle dropping someone from 800 yards? Find another job.

Maybe you're feeling insecure about your ability or inability to carry out your job in the army...if so, the boy scouts are looking for a few good men...



You haven’t the faintest idea what the military entails. Have you served, are you serving, or will you ever serve? If not, shut it.
Im not in the military but I have a few friends who are and others who were and you dont talk like any of them. What unit you in? what is your job description, are you rear area or actual infantry?
Are you west or east coast? what university do you attend because man, you are so anti military anti us its amazing they let you stay in the unit. I bet you talk back to the non coms or at least mumble under your breath when they turn their backs because I would be shocked if they share your feelings on this subject.


I shouldn’t have to explain myself to some arrogant civilian with a hard on for the military. Furthermore, your speculations and judgments are completely unsubstantiated and not accurate in the least. This is the last time I am going to do this, so listen carefully. I joined the military in the wake of 911 in response to my heartfelt need to protect my nation, should it need me. I joined the Infantry reserve as I wanted to participate in something hands on, active, and challenging. As the war on terror progressed, I found myself deceived, joining for all the wrong reasons. Nonetheless, the reserves offered me a hefty tuition reimbursement, and excellent job to push myself. I do not regret my employment with the CF, and have enjoyed every minute of my service. In all honesty, my mentality as an infantryman is quite different from others in my unit, and few think in my respect. Few care to talk about politics, and stay focused on the job. I often hear comments like’ blow the rag-heads away’ etc. among my ranks although I say nothing as it is not my place. I maintain my professionalism in the workplace, and keep differences aside, focusing on the job at hand. I cooperate effectively as a collective with my section, and remained focused. Few share my sphere of thought; then again, you may be right that it is attributed to my schooling as not many soldiers among our ranks of NCM’s in the infantry are students. Rather than see my university studies as a burden, or ‘pussification’ it has opened my eyes. I maintain both aspects of my life, yet I never mix the two together. I am proud of my nation, and strive for the best. I am here when my nation needs of me, and I will fulfill my duties as needed. I don’t relish the sight of death, nor do I ever want to shoot another human being if presented with this situation. Would I? Yes, if it is needed of me. One must however draw the line. I am willing to fulfill my duties to an extent…, would I shoot unarmed or wounded man, NO, would I participate in a conflict I saw to be morally unjust? No. I am convinced my nation will lead our Armed Forces with pride and dignity, and if I had speculated the credibility of our armed forces and its direction, I would not have joined. Lastly, I live in Western Canada, attend a University, and am an active participant of my local light infantry unit. I am not a member of the Cal Hi’s. Please show some respect, I am not here to be paraded about and questioned by this forum’s user base.

reeeeeeeallly,

If you dont want to be questioned, stop posting stupid ****.
Frankly, I think you are an embarrasment to your country, and especially your military, and lastley.. your unit, and stop saying you ACTIVLEY do anything in your military, you are in the reserves like alot of misguided youth in the U.S too, you join with the thoughts of tuition payments and freeloading, never thinking your going to go to war.... then the day comes and you'll probably piss yourself. Theeeeen you'll question your patriotism and all that education that has obviously gone to a complete waste will start to **** with your head......... all of a sudden you'll question your hetero******ity!!!!! ohhh nooo, hopfully you'll go off to some remote area and shoot yourself in the head and stop contaminating the canadian gene pool.

no offense or anything.... :roll:

[Skaman]

one weekend drill a month, 2-3 weeks AT a year


Well, my service constitutes more than that.

Week 1. C0's parade(thu)

Week2. Lecture(thu) . Weekend training(Saturday)

Week3. Unarmed Combat, Parade(thu)

Week 4. No Parade, three day exercise or range shoot at end of month(fri-sun)


Frequent taskings and courses through year for up to 12 month periods OF FULL service as a reservist.

Do you have 2-3 weeks AT each year?

This is the typical U.S. NG/Reserve training days:
2-3 days weekend drill each month
2-3 weeks each summer for AT


It doesn't matter because you are NOT a professional soldier. If you think you are a "professional" soldier, then what do you call active duty soldiers who spend 24/7/365 playing soldiers?

Everyone who upholds a serious job keeps up a professional occupation. Some are full time, some are part time. Whether you are reg. force, or reserve force, you must act with professionalism at your job.

[AlexNenadic]

<Never mind, turned ugly (hate looking like a fool)>

[Seraphim]

They are human beings but uncivilized human beings.

[Jack Mehoff]

one weekend drill a month, 2-3 weeks AT a year


Well, my service constitutes more than that.

Week 1. C0's parade(thu)

Week2. Lecture(thu) . Weekend training(Saturday)

Week3. Unarmed Combat, Parade(thu)

Week 4. No Parade, three day exercise or range shoot at end of month(fri-sun)


Frequent taskings and courses through year for up to 12 month periods OF FULL service as a reservist.

Do you have 2-3 weeks AT each year?

This is the typical U.S. NG/Reserve training days:
2-3 days weekend drill each month
2-3 weeks each summer for AT


It doesn't matter because you are NOT a professional soldier. If you think you are a "professional" soldier, then what do you call active duty soldiers who spend 24/7/365 playing soldiers?

Everyone who upholds a serious job keeps up a professional occupation. Some are full time, some are part time. Whether you are reg. force, or reserve force, you must act with professionalism at your job.


Coming from a guy who advocates desertion?

[MetalBoy]

They are clumps of cannibalistic bacterium.

[Skaman]

To ducimus19:


2) Who the hell said the terrorists are human beings? Do human beings mutilate the corpses of the dead? When was the last time you saw a human being do such a thing? No my friend, these terrorists we are facing in Fallujah are animals, nothing more. Actually wait, they are LESS than animals (never seen a deer or a bear hang a burnt corpse off some bridge, have you?). Anybody got a name? I can't think of anything.


The theme of terrorism is by no means a new idea amongst the globe and dates back as far the late 1700’s where the origin of the word- ‘terrorisme’ begins. The popular term was first applied by the Jacobins in the reign of terror as a means of achieving political goals through intimidation and violence. Terrorism was primarily applied as a means of instilling fear through the assassination of key political officials, forcing government change. Recent application of terrorism has been used to target civilians, creating panic, still maintaining the objective of political change. However, the actions of the combatants in Iraq are by no means terror; rather they are militia fighting within their nation for a cause which they conceive to be just in accordance with their social norms. Using the word terrorist is a convenient derogatory connotation that individuals use to demean their enemy as a 'lesser' people. Instances of brutality have occurred on both sides of the spectrum in Iraq at the hands of the coalition, and Iraqi movement. This is not terrorism; this is the brutality, and veracity of war. Historically, Japanese soldiers, American soldiers, Iraqi soldiers, German soldiers have all killed enemies within their holding, yet not as a means of 'terrorism', rather this is the result of confusion, and frustration of war. I am pleased to see US soldiers treated well, and their captors adhere to Geneva conventions as they should. However, in the face of war, cruelty and violence are ripe in the face of crowd mentality and collective behavior, particularly among an instable political influential conflict like Iraq. It is not fair of us to call these men 'terrorists'. These are men which risk their lives, and often die fighting for a cause which they see to be morally just. Respect your enemy as you respect your own armed forces.



"If you have some respect for people as they are, you can be more effective in helping them to become better than they are." John W. Gardner

"Being brilliant is no great feat if you respect nothing."
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe-

Bertrand Russell:
Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.

Voltaire:
What is tolerance? -- it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly -- that is the first law of nature.

[Skaman]

Coming from a guy who advocates desertion?

I don’t advocate desertion; I support CO’s taking matters into their own hands when an extreme scenario like the war in Iraq presents itself.

[AlexNenadic]

<Never mind, turned ugly (hate looking like a fool)>

[jizzmonkey]

To ducimus19:


2) Who the hell said the terrorists are human beings? Do human beings mutilate the corpses of the dead? When was the last time you saw a human being do such a thing? No my friend, these terrorists we are facing in Fallujah are animals, nothing more. Actually wait, they are LESS than animals (never seen a deer or a bear hang a burnt corpse off some bridge, have you?). Anybody got a name? I can't think of anything.


The theme of terrorism is by no means a new idea amongst the globe and dates back as far the late 1700’s where the origin of the word- ‘terrorisme’ begins. The popular term was first applied by the Jacobins in the reign of terror as a means of achieving political goals through intimidation and violence. Terrorism was primarily applied as a means of instilling fear through the assassination of key political officials, forcing government change. Recent application of terrorism has been used to target civilians, creating panic, still maintaining the objective of political change. However, the actions of the combatants in Iraq are by no means terror; rather they are militia fighting within their nation for a cause which they conceive to be just in accordance with their social norms. Using the word terrorist is a convenient derogatory connotation that individuals use to demean their enemy as a 'lesser' people. Instances of brutality have occurred on both sides of the spectrum in Iraq at the hands of the coalition, and Iraqi movement. This is not terrorism; this is the brutality, and veracity of war. Historically, Japanese soldiers, American soldiers, Iraqi soldiers, German soldiers have all killed enemies within their holding, yet not as a means of 'terrorism', rather this is the result of confusion, and frustration of war. I am pleased to see US soldiers treated well, and their captors adhere to Geneva conventions as they should. However, in the face of war, cruelty and violence are ripe in the face of crowd mentality and collective behavior, particularly among an instable political influential conflict like Iraq. It is not fair of us to call these men 'terrorists'. These are men which risk their lives, and often die fighting for a cause which they see to be morally just. Respect your enemy as you respect your own armed forces.



"If you have some respect for people as they are, you can be more effective in helping them to become better than they are." John W. Gardner

"Being brilliant is no great feat if you respect nothing."
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe-

Bertrand Russell:
Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.

Voltaire:
What is tolerance? -- it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly -- that is the first law of nature.

dude!!!!
tolerance is what got us into this mess in the first place!

you are young and very missguided.

I remember my college days, and I saw the guys who thought the world could change,
but thats not whats going on in this case, your liberal ideas are exactly what they want.
Why do you think they were able to de-rail an election in Spain?
because of people that think like you!
And I could see what your saying IF the insurgents in Iraq were indeed nationalist's, but they arent.
90% of the insurgents in Fallujah arent even Iraqi you ****ing ****!
they ARE in fact syrian's, egyptians and jordanian extremists with the simple goal of an Islamic state!
They dont give a **** if your Canadian or American, If you arent Muslim with thier cause, then they want you dead!
they dont give a rats ass if you tolerate them, the simple fact is that they WONT tolerate you
and niether will I.

[AlexNenadic]

<Never mind, turned ugly (hate looking like a fool)>

[American Patriot]

Ducimus, you are a very dirty **** but I respect that. :( :( :(

[Uninen]

Do human beings mutilate the corpses of the dead?

Remember Vienam? US troopers running around with "VC" heads and ears........ all **** like that.............. :P

[American Patriot]

I think you need to STFU Uninen. There's nothing wrong with cutting off Charlie's ears and doing other sick stuff during a prolonged war. That's how healthy civilized human beings deal with stress.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I think you need to STFU Uninen. There's nothing wrong with cutting off Charlie's ears and doing other sick stuff during a prolonged war. That's how healthy civilized human beings deal with stress.
You are either joking or you have the morals of a dog. :|

[snake_eater]

The only good communist is a dead communist.

You just lost all respect from me.

You had not yet earned mine. That you defend those commie turds makes you an asshole.

[snake_eater]

I think you need to STFU Uninen. There's nothing wrong with cutting off Charlie's ears and doing other sick stuff during a prolonged war. That's how healthy civilized human beings deal with stress.
You are either joking or you have the morals of a dog. :|

Look at the marijuana leaf he has for an avatar. Surely this is Uninen's or some other commie fuktard's troll account.

[gilgoul]

'It's a sniper's dream'


This topic makes me sick; it seems to indicate the Marine Snipers take delight, and derive pleasure from the shooting of other human beings. All the while, our forum members cheer on with their Hoorah’s!


'dream'-[n] a cherished desire; indulge in a fantasy, a fantastic but vain hope


Who would have known shooting people could be so much fun!Shooting armed enemy makes more sense to me than shooting deer in forest...


LOL, but deer is good to eat, while iraki insurgent is tasteless :P

[M_S]

Damn cannibal! p-)

[martinexsquaddie]

now a slightly brighter bloke would go to the journalist "i regret the death of every human being even and enemy combatant as we here to build democracy and every death is to be regerreted blah blah ;) "
looks good in PC world.
then whoop it up in private :lol:

[big_les]

The most dangerous person on the battlefield is a Marine and his rifle!
It is one shot one kill not one shot one injury! 8541's kick ass! Ohh-Rah.

Except of course for the deliberate woundings to induce fear in the enemy that the article refers to.

[Tygryssek]

Hunting instincts, they are in all of us. There is nothing sinister about them.Once an SF writer S. Lem gave such a definition of the human: "Agressive and predatory hairless ape."

My friend agree with Stanislaw Lem.

[M_S]

The most dangerous person on the battlefield is a Marine and his rifle!
It is one shot one kill not one shot one injury! 8541's kick ass! Ohh-Rah.

Except of course for the deliberate woundings to induce fear in the enemy that the article refers to.


Sounds like barbaric methods to me.

[MEGR]

Dude.. You beat me to the story. I was gonna post it because it was in our local Newspaper (The Times Union).. Great article nonetheless.

[Haiw]

The most dangerous person on the battlefield is a Marine and his rifle!
It is one shot one kill not one shot one injury! 8541's kick ass! Ohh-Rah.

Except of course for the deliberate woundings to induce fear in the enemy that the article refers to.


Sounds like barbaric methods to me.
Sounds like warfare... :roll:

[MEGR]

The most dangerous person on the battlefield is a Marine and his rifle!
It is one shot one kill not one shot one injury! 8541's kick ass! Ohh-Rah.

Except of course for the deliberate woundings to induce fear in the enemy that the article refers to.


Sounds like barbaric methods to me.
Sounds like warfare... :roll:

You couldn't be more right.

[Stavka]

The most dangerous person on the battlefield is a Marine and his rifle!
It is one shot one kill not one shot one injury! 8541's kick ass! Ohh-Rah.

Except of course for the deliberate woundings to induce fear in the enemy that the article refers to.


Sounds like barbaric methods to me.

Efficiency my dear sir.
Speaking almost cynically objective, wounding the enemy is more cost-effective than killing him.
A: Wounded enemy requires at least two men to get him off the field, hence 1 wounded = 3 out of action.
B: Wounded enemy strains the medical chain towards the rear as well as logistics, forcing the enemy to adapt his advance to the extent of his medical and logistical capabilities.

Yes, its barbaric, but war isnt pretty.

[California Joe]

This thread is bizarre. Very bizarre. Sniper is an MOS. It is their job to kill people with precision. They do a job. They kill people that would otherwise kill their comrades. They are selected because of mental toughness as well as shooting ability. They are not serial killers. They do not randomly shoot civilians. They are very professional. A civilian child is much more likely to die from a stray round at a wedding celebration than at the hands of a Marine sniper.

[Stavka]

This thread is bizarre. Very bizarre. Sniper is an MOS. It is their job to kill people with precision. They do a job. They kill people that would otherwise kill their comrades. They are selected because of mental toughness as well as shooting ability. They are not serial killers. They do not randomly shoot civilians. They are very professional. A civilian child is much more likely to die from a stray round at a wedding celebration than at the hands of a Marine sniper.

There you go. Well put Joe. ;)

[M_S]

Wounding an enemy and letting him live is military smart, yes!
But wounding an enemy, letting him have some pain and then finish him off with another shot to scare his buddies sound barbaric to me. I guess every one is a predetory hairless monkey in a war no matter what culture you come from!

I hate assholes who want to make war sound very clean and just.

[Denat]

Are you confusing oppressive Stalinism with Communism or Marxism?

Boy don't you dare to talk about things you have no ****in idea about. You haven't lived or even been in any communist country, have you boy?
You know **** about it. My country, Poland was ruled by the communists and we remember those times as the times of terror and fear. In 1940 soviet NKWD executed 10,000 of polish officers taken as POW. After the WWII hundreds and thousands of Poles were imprisoned or executed by the communists only because they wanted our fatherland to be free and independent from the soviet rule. During the time of martial law 1981-1983 the communists were killing innocent people on the streets, so as they did in 1956, 1970 or 1976. So don't you dare to say that communism or marxism is something better than stalinism. Don't you dare to talk about things you have no ****in idea about. That's the tragedy of the free world that it allows to exist such people like you, who believe in communism or marxism, although they have no idea about it. You are a leftist liberal who should visit North Korea before talking what is communism. Or maybe you should go there and stay forever. I hate those pacifists, socialists and all other leftist scum - I just hate all those motherf*****s. Good communist is dead communist. They just deserve to die.

[TALOS]

I think you need to STFU Uninen. There's nothing wrong with cutting off Charlie's ears and doing other sick stuff during a prolonged war. That's how healthy civilized human beings deal with stress.
Hmmm... I would have to disagree, I think that that would be considered a sure sign of someone losing touch with humanity and if I am remembering correctly said actions were repudiated by the military command at the time. Someone who was there could please answer to that if they so wished to take the time.

[Stavka]

Wounding an enemy and letting him live is military smart, yes!
But wounding an enemy, letting him have some pain and then finish him off with another shot to scare his buddies sound barbaric to me. I guess every one is a predetory hairless monkey in a war no matter what culture you come from!

I hate assholes who want to make war sound very clean and just.

Oh, I agree with you to some extent, but as Alexandre Dumas said: "All generalizations are false, including this one."
By defining evryone who takes part in an armed conflict as a predatory hairless monkey you discredit yourself.

The soldier must walk a thin line between being a professional and a predatory hairless monkey (which is one of our primal instincts, I give you that), striving of course to stay on the professional side of things.

However, deep down inside, soldiers are human (well, no the marines, those guys are just too uncanny) and human error is the cause of practically everything going wrong. it is regrettable that soldiers cross these lines, bu in a sense understandable.

[obd]

I hate asshole who bitch and complain about war being unjust, unfair, and violent.........War is hell.

The sniper who would shoot to wound, let him scream, and then finish the job was simply using proper tactics. He was fulfilling one of the many task of the sniper as best he could. In this case he was waging a form of psycholgical warfare on the enemy and you know something, it seems to be working at the former "brave martyrs who will cut off the Marines heads and baith in thier blood" are now begging the Marines to pull out the snipers..... and you know whats odd about that: In the long run, that supposedly sadistic tactic that so demoralized the enemy probably saved lives by ending the conflict sooner!!!!

I find it odd that people are complaining about his inhumane and sadistic tactics and ignoring what also mentioned in this article: Mujahideen websites are offering rewards and providing adresses and names of snipers family to be killed. Killing innocent relatives of soldiers who have nothing to do with the fighting...now thats sadistic in my view......

[Uncle Chô]

Look at the marijuana leaf he has for an avatar. Surely this is Uninen's or some other commie fuktard's troll account.

:D SIXGUN : the Return, Episode VII.

Welcome back! rofl

[usa320]

This needs to come to a harsh end.

Every single thread that is made with regards to the war is instantly, within minutes, hijacked by these leftists. Instead of being a thread about the war, it becomes a thread about how george bush sucks. Then a thread about how Bush is stupid. Then How evil America is.

Its annoying.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Every single thread that is made with regards to the war is instantly, within minutes, hijacked by these leftists.
Considering this thread was kicked off by someone who appears to be on the extreme right I don't see you complaining about that. ;)

Instead of being a thread about the war, it becomes a thread about how george bush sucks. Then a thread about how Bush is stupid. Then How evil America is.
Here I can agree with you a lot of these threads seem to become anti-American rants


Its annoying.
Yes its really annoying no doubt about that. :|

[M_S]

I hate asshole who bitch and complain about war being unjust, unfair, and violent.........War is hell.

The sniper who would shoot to wound, let him scream, and then finish the job was simply using proper tactics. He was fulfilling one of the many task of the sniper as best he could. In this case he was waging a form of psycholgical warfare on the enemy and you know something, it seems to be working at the former "brave martyrs who will cut off the Marines heads and baith in thier blood" are now begging the Marines to pull out the snipers..... and you know whats odd about that: In the long run, that supposedly sadistic tactic that so demoralized the enemy probably saved lives by ending the conflict sooner!!!!

I find it odd that people are complaining about his inhumane and sadistic tactics and ignoring what also mentioned in this article: Mujahideen websites are offering rewards and providing adresses and names of snipers family to be killed. Killing innocent relatives of soldiers who have nothing to do with the fighting...now thats sadistic in my view......

Well obd, I will put as you did "War is hell" so complaining about anything is useless right?

[khukuri]

Oh common

plz why dont you read what he wrote at the beggining!

he was writing about people liking and beeing amused of killing other people.

And yea, all of us are happy that terrorists gets killed, even ducimus, he wasnt talking about that. He was talking about the man doing the job during that moment.

If you think its a pleasure to blast someones brain off you maybe should visit a shrink. Wether its a right or wrong its not a pleasure to do it.
Ask several people who killed, ask them what they dream about the night after.

Where not saying its wrong to kill people. whre not saying people should regret what they did, but liking the killing it self is something different.

I know several people who would proudly mention that they served in a war and defended theyre country and make the anemy lose, but the killing itself, that moment when you shot somebody or put a knife in somebody is nothing they remember with joy!

If you say you should be happy doing your proffesion when shooting somebody or puting a bayonnet in them youre nothing else than sick sick sick sick sick person!

Its one thing enjoying to serve your country and another thing enoying the killing itself. I wouldnt doubt killing someone if I were ordered or found my self in combat, I would do everything I could to win the fight, but dont think I would leave the place smiling.


It doesnt matter if youre sniper, marine, seal or normal infantry you probably wont feel good when you see a corpse, whether its your enemys or somebody else. What differs is maybe how you handle it at the moment and how react.

why dont we ask

It feels that you guys that write "sniper heaven" have playing to much counter strike


Go ducimus

[khukuri]

I hate asshole who bitch and complain about war being unjust, unfair, and violent.........War is hell.

The sniper who would shoot to wound, let him scream, and then finish the job was simply using proper tactics. He was fulfilling one of the many task of the sniper as best he could. In this case he was waging a form of psycholgical warfare on the enemy and you know something, it seems to be working at the former "brave martyrs who will cut off the Marines heads and baith in thier blood" are now begging the Marines to pull out the snipers..... and you know whats odd about that: In the long run, that supposedly sadistic tactic that so demoralized the enemy probably saved lives by ending the conflict sooner!!!!



I agree with what you write considering sniper tactics

And yes, WAR is hell, but I dont need to like it do I.

[Skaman]

Oh common

plz why dont you read what he wrote at the beggining!

he was writing about people liking and beeing amused of killing other people.

And yea, all of us are happy that terrorists gets killed, even ducimus, he wasnt talking about that. He was talking about the man doing the job during that moment.

If you think its a pleasure to blast someones brain off you maybe should visit a shrink. Wether its a right or wrong its not a pleasure to do it.
Ask several people who killed, ask them what they dream about the night after.

Where not saying its wrong to kill people. whre not saying people should regret what they did, but liking the killing it self is something different.

I know several people who would proudly mention that they served in a war and defended theyre country and make the anemy lose, but the killing itself, that moment when you shot somebody or put a knife in somebody is nothing they remember with joy!

If you say you should be happy doing your proffesion when shooting somebody or puting a bayonnet in them youre nothing else than sick sick sick sick sick person!

Its one thing enjoying to serve your country and another thing enoying the killing itself. I wouldnt doubt killing someone if I were ordered or found my self in combat, I would do everything I could to win the fight, but dont think I would leave the place smiling.


It doesnt matter if youre sniper, marine, seal or normal infantry you probably wont feel good when you see a corpse, whether its your enemys or somebody else. What differs is maybe how you handle it at the moment and how react.

why dont we ask

It feels that you guys that write "sniper heaven" have playing to much counter strike


Go ducimus


Good post. Hopefully these kids will understand the context of this thread after a second spoon feeding. All the best Lenin.

[duck]

Your feelings on a roof in Fallujah at night might be a little different than spamming here on militaryphotos. The gunmen can actually kill you and your brothers around you, unlike the flamers here.

[khukuri]

Your feelings on a roof in Fallujah at night might be a little different than spamming here on militaryphotos. The gunmen can actually kill you and your brothers around you, unlike the flamers here.

no **** sherlock
still I wont think it would be "fun" and "amusing"

[Royal]

I know of the difficulties and elaborate training process which our own forces are exposed to. I have heard accounts of US marksmanship training, but never witnessed it or participated in it for that matter.

As Ngati has already pointed out, unless you have gone through some kind of sniper selection and training, you have no idea of what it takes to do the job of a sniper. The statement is on a par with saying "I've read B20, so I know what it's like to be in the SAS".


I am sure the many reservists on this forum would appreciate your idea that we are not “professional soldiers”. How about you tell us what we are, because I am sure you are fully qualified to do so. Enlighten us. I won’t even go into the "psychology" of a soldier in war.

I've had the pleasure to work with many professional reservists, as well as a good few full-time arseholes over the years, so I have no problem with your statement. Many if not most reservists are professional, but judging by your posts, you are while undoubtedly intelligent, neither professional nor a soldier.

On the other hand I get the feeling that most of those Hooah-ing have no idea what the job of a sniper entails either. The USMC snipers in Fallujah and elsewhere are doing a sterling job and are certainly reducing civilian casualties, but despite their youth I struggle to believe that they celebrate their kills - a true sniper is too objective for that.

I also know that no matter how justifed their actions, they will come back to haunt them in later years, whether they admit it or not. Short of killing with a knife (or maybe a pistol) there is no more personall way of killing than with a rifle and a scope.

Semper Fi

[khukuri]

I also know that no matter how justifed their actions, they will come back to haunt them in later years, whether they admit it or not. Short of killing with a knife (or maybe a pistol) there is no more personall way of killing than with a rifle and a scope.

Semper Fi

what I was trying to say

[Uninen]

Look at the marijuana leaf he has for an avatar. Surely this is Uninen's or some other commie fuktard's troll account.

:D SIXGUN : the Return, Episode VII.

Welcome back! rofl

1. Still im not anykind of "commie", not by long shot.
2. I have never, not even once tryed anykind of drugs. Im tollally clean.
3. snake_eater, only "fuktard" around here is you.

:P

[FDF_Hemppis]

Oh common

plz why dont you read what he wrote at the beggining!

he was writing about people liking and beeing amused of killing other people.

And yea, all of us are happy that terrorists gets killed, even ducimus, he wasnt talking about that. He was talking about the man doing the job during that moment.

If you think its a pleasure to blast someones brain off you maybe should visit a shrink. Wether its a right or wrong its not a pleasure to do it.
Ask several people who killed, ask them what they dream about the night after.

Where not saying its wrong to kill people. whre not saying people should regret what they did, but liking the killing it self is something different.

I know several people who would proudly mention that they served in a war and defended theyre country and make the anemy lose, but the killing itself, that moment when you shot somebody or put a knife in somebody is nothing they remember with joy!

If you say you should be happy doing your proffesion when shooting somebody or puting a bayonnet in them youre nothing else than sick sick sick sick sick person!

Its one thing enjoying to serve your country and another thing enoying the killing itself. I wouldnt doubt killing someone if I were ordered or found my self in combat, I would do everything I could to win the fight, but dont think I would leave the place smiling.


It doesnt matter if youre sniper, marine, seal or normal infantry you probably wont feel good when you see a corpse, whether its your enemys or somebody else. What differs is maybe how you handle it at the moment and how react.

why dont we ask

It feels that you guys that write "sniper heaven" have playing to much counter strike


Go ducimus

Best post of the thread! woot

I completely agree with this guy; I too would without hesitation kill every fu*ker who would try to hurt my country or my fellow citizens, but I very much doubt I would enjoy it.

And please tone the communist-**** down a bit! This isn’t the cold war no more, and not everyone who happens to disagree with the US foreign policy is a red-flag-waving SOB. Don't get me wrong, I think the commies were a threat to everyone, and I'm glad they're pretty much gone! I also think that US is, while not perfect, a great country which I dream of visiting some day

Also, I wish for all the soldiers to stay safe and that this war would end soon. :|

[Haiw]

This thread is bizarre. Very bizarre. Sniper is an MOS. It is their job to kill people with precision. They do a job. They kill people that would otherwise kill their comrades. They are selected because of mental toughness as well as shooting ability. They are not serial killers. They do not randomly shoot civilians. They are very professional. A civilian child is much more likely to die from a stray round at a wedding celebration than at the hands of a Marine sniper.
Sniper is a MOS yes, but when used by clueless civies it doesn't necessarily mean what we mean by it. They just mean someone who shoots from a somewhat hidden position... (in the Netherlands there's two different words for the two descriptions)

[AlexNenadic]

<Never mind, turned ugly (hate looking like a fool)>

[Royal]

Actually (without having any killing experience to go on) I think I would quite enjoy killing these assholes.

Which suggests that either;

a. you're a psycopath

or

b. you havn't got a clue what you're talking about...

[Fargin]

"The dead only knows one thing, it's better to be alive."

[AlexNenadic]

<Never mind, turned ugly (hate looking like a fool)>

[California Joe]

Actually (without having any killing experience to go on) I think I would quite enjoy killing these assholes.

Which suggests that either;

a. you're a psycopath

or

b. you havn't got a clue what you're talking about...

It suggests that I am somebody who is pissed at seeing his personal friends ambushed in Iraq, and would he extremely happy to dispose of those who did it.

It also suggests that you are a pussy.

You might want to do your homework a little better before you tell a Royal Marine officer who incidentally does have "killing experience" that he's a pussy you incredible imbecile.

[dacanadianbomb]

Here comes the fresh portion of flame.

If you are extremely pissed off about you friends being attacked, to provide them with security along with many other a fine man/woman, I suggest you go find your local army recruitment station and sign up to serve what you believe in.

A little less conversation a little more action, as I think Elvis put it.

[AlexNenadic]

<Never mind, turned ugly (hate looking like a fool)>mestu.

[Jack Mehoff]

Here comes the fresh portion of flame.

If you are extremely pissed off about you friends being attacked, to provide them with security along with many other a fine man/woman, I suggest you go find your local army recruitment station and sign up to serve what you believe in.

A little less conversation a little more action, as I think Elvis put it.

what if someone already been in for 6 years?

[Haiw]

Oh did I mention the fact that I was born in Yugoslavia, and did see the war first hand? Just never killed anybody (didn't want to, still don't. Which is a lot different from these assholes in Fallujah).

Samo se vi preseravajte, ja sam gotovo siguran da niko ovde nije pravi vojnik. Da jeste, bili bi na tanknet ili nekom drugom poznatom mestu.
Guess what... the 'Royal Marine officer with the weird attitude' saw that war first hand as well. :roll:
And that 'weird attitude' is called professionalism. :backhand:

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

If he indeed is a Royal Marine, 'Royal' displays a very weird attitude for a professional soldier. Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.


There is nothing 'weird' about Royals attitude. On the contrary it extremely sane and reasoned, especially for a professional soldier. In the 'heat of battle' if you killed someone who was doing their level best to kill you it would be natural to feel exhilarated about that. It would also be natural to be sickened and guilt ridden immediately afterwards or later on.

If you enjoyed it then you would be a psycopath.

If you felt no emotion at all then you would be a sociopath. According to my unit field psycologist.

If you haven't been in a given situation then don't bother makeing definitive statements about what you would or would'nt do. If you haven't been 'there' then you don't know. And unless you do go 'there' you never will.

[Royal]

If he indeed is a Royal Marine, 'Royal' displays a very weird attitude for a professional soldier. Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Oh did I mention the fact that I was born in Yugoslavia, and did see the war first hand? Just never killed anybody (didn't want to, still don't. Which is a lot different from these assholes in Fallujah).

Samo se vi preseravajte, ja sam gotovo siguran da niko ovde nije pravi vojnik. Da jeste, bili bi na tanknet ili nekom drugom poznatom mestu.

I'm not on Tanknet becuase I waste enough time on the net anyway, if you'd looked closely though you'd have found me on Socnet...

Along with a few others here (as Haiw says) I too saw the wars in Yugoslavia first hand. There are certainly a few 'real' soldiers on here, from the US and elsewhere - and I'm not the only one of them that speaks Serbian (if you're not a Serb, why are you spelling 'place' that way?).

The ROTC thing seems to have been resolved elsewhere this evening so I won't add to the flames there.

[XASA]

Thank God there is psychological screening at every step of military training, especially sniper training; otherwise, I would dread the day when some of the wannabe misfits that are now trolling militaryphotos.net enlist or join the reserves :(

[TALOS]

Thank God there is psychological screening at every step of military training, especially sniper training; otherwise, I would dread the day when some of the wannabe misfits that are now trolling militaryphotos.net enlist or join the reserves :(

I wanna Snipe, I wanna, woot Oh damn, whered I put my pills, the doctor keeps sayin dont lose em! :oops:

[Red]

Here comes the fresh portion of flame.

If you are extremely pissed off about you friends being attacked, to provide them with security along with many other a fine man/woman, I suggest you go find your local army recruitment station and sign up to serve what you believe in.

A little less conversation a little more action, as I think Elvis put it.


Here comes the fresh portion of flame.

If you are extremely pissed off about you friends being attacked, to provide them with security along with many other a fine man/woman, I suggest you go find your local army recruitment station and sign up to serve what you believe in.

A little less conversation a little more action, as I think Elvis put it.

You just proverbially poked me in the eye, thanks bud! Over the past 1 year in college (freshman) I have been trying to find a way to join Army ROTC and begin serving in 4 years, but I am not allowed to because I do not have US citizenship. I can't even enlist, no Green Card. Sucks huh? Tell you what, you find me a way to get permanent residency here in the US and I will sign up tomorrow. PM me, I'll give you contact info.

If he indeed is a Royal Marine, 'Royal' displays a very weird attitude for a professional soldier. Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Oh did I mention the fact that I was born in Yugoslavia, and did see the war first hand? Just never killed anybody (didn't want to, still don't. Which is a lot different from these assholes in Fallujah).

Samo se vi preseravajte, ja sam gotovo siguran da niko ovde nije pravi vojnik. Da jeste, bili bi na tanknet ili nekom drugom poznatom mestu.
First of all,i see that you are a newbie so what gives you the perogative to call Royal "weird"?Dont they teach you manners where you come from?Royal is a well respected member of this board.You better get that into your head.And secondly,until you have been in a combat situation where you have very fanatical enemy who is trying his very best to kill you despite the fact that you are there to help them,i suggest that you hold your mouth cause as it turns out,you dont really know ****.Do you?

[Beowulf]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.

[California Joe]

Tell them you know me Beo. Then you can be cool too.

Your pal, the heat.

[Red]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
Do you know anytime i see Jack Black,i think of Beowulf? :oops:

[ibstolidude]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
Well this one time at ROTC camp.........

[farmgirl]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
Well this one time at ROTC camp.........

rofl I wish everyone was as funny as Stoli.

[Haiw]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
Do you know anytime i see Jack Black,i think of Beowulf? :oops:
As long as you don't have a ***** while reading Beowulfs posts that's perfectly fine... ;)

[Red]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
Well this one time at ROTC camp.........

rofl I wish everyone was as funny as Stoli.
I joined before, you how come you have more posts than me?Hood is cheating :slap:

[Red]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
Do you know anytime i see Jack Black,i think of Beowulf? :oops:
As long as you don't have a ***** while reading Beowulfs posts that's perfectly fine... ;)
:oops: I swear i dont :oops:

[Haiw]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
I know guys that know guys that are in the know. Does that make me at least semi-cool? :(

[Beowulf]

Certainly a lot different from the US Army SF cadre who are ROTC instructors here at the school.

Another "cool by association cadet" what is it with these guys.
I know guys that know guys that are in the know. Does that make me at least semi-cool? :(

As long as you have a ***** when you talk to them p-)

[Haiw]

So much for being cool then. :(
Please support my family after I suicide by jamming my ***** into my desks drawers.

[Red]

So much for being cool then. :(
Please support my family after I suicide by jamming my ***** into my desks drawers.
rofl rofl rofl

[TALOS]

:oops: wow, this thread is gettin weird :roll:

[Flagg]

wow, this thread is gettin weird

In a word.....quite :|

[Ichhabe]

I don't know much about snipers, sharp shooters or marks men. But every time I pass one of them, I get the shivers.
Just by seeing them on my side I get the creeps. One thing is sure, I could never be a sniper. Ain't got what is needed.