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ForceReaper
04-19-2004, 03:02 AM
Violence in Iraq makes work difficult for contractors
By Laura Parker and Steven Komarow, USA TODAY
President Bush can order more troops to Iraq. But he can't do the same for the private contractors, whose role is critical to the U.S.-led effort to turn that country into a prosperous democracy.
The surge in killings and kidnappings aimed at private contractors is driving up costs and raising doubts even for firms that specialize in tough locales. "The old adage about war, that easy things are hard and hard things are impossible, that applies in Iraq," says Jack Stradley, managing director at Kroll, a worldwide security firm that preps companies for work in Iraq.

The violence means that projects take longer and cost more — much more. Experts say it can double the cost of a project. Convoys must be guarded. Insurance is required and expensive. Companies must buy flak vests and armored cars.

Iraqi labor is relatively cheap, often just a few dollars a day, so the $18 billion for reconstruction still can go far. But a firm that employs 1,000 Iraqi workers might spend hours daily getting them searched and cleared into a work site and then out at day's end.

"For a typical eight-hour day, they're getting three or four hours of work in," says Stan Soloway, president of the Professional Services Council, a trade group with member firms in Iraq.

Bob Band, president of Perini, which has multibillion-dollar contracts to rebuild power plants in southern Iraq, said convoy problems have slowed, but not stopped, work. Shipments from Kuwait are "about 80% of normal, which is adequate," he said.

Perini has worked in Angola, Pakistan, Haiti, Liberia and Nigeria, but Iraq is the most dangerous. "Our people are trained when there's any kind of issue going on to lay low, get out," Band said.

The violence has driven away some. Stephen Heering, who drove trucks for Halliburton in Iraq, returned home to Texas, saying it had become too risky. Heering barely escaped when his truck was blown out from under him.

Security workers, mostly former military, seem determined as ever. There's the money — some ads say up to $1,000 a day — and the mission.

Kirk Brown, 38, of Los Angeles will head for Iraq soon to secure a project south of Baghdad. Rebuilding Iraq "is the right step in getting that part of the world not to be so volatile," he says. "I feel strongly about going over there."

Former Marine John Autenreith, 35, of Houston was proudly ready to return this weekend. "With no children, no wife, I can get my tail over there and hope to do what's right for the country," he said. "There will always be people like myself who are willing to go."

But Stradley, also a retired Marine, says there's a limit. "No one has actually cut and run to my knowledge," he says, but at some point a client will say, "our fun-meter's pegged" and go home.

Trigger
04-19-2004, 03:13 AM
Thanks ForceReaper woot

Prayers for their safety.

ibstolidude
04-19-2004, 08:15 AM
Thanks for posting.

UkrainianAmerican
04-19-2004, 10:14 AM
Good article! woot
Whats TP's name, btw?

Haiw
04-19-2004, 10:17 AM
I should think before opening my mouth... ;)

UkrainianAmerican
04-19-2004, 10:22 AM
:lol:
Hes da man woot

ShotOver
04-19-2004, 10:22 AM
Cheers for Article, good read.

MEGR
04-19-2004, 10:27 AM
Nice and quick.. Great article. BTW I'm looking for another summer job..

farmgirl
04-19-2004, 12:03 PM
TP... you big stud..... ;)


Thanks for the article Reaper.... :hug:

farmgirl
04-19-2004, 12:04 PM
remember PERSEC... k? He might not want too much stuff on the board

Seoulstriker
04-19-2004, 12:13 PM
Is TP really featured in the article? :)

ForceReaper
04-19-2004, 12:15 PM
Get ready for the fallout! He called me and said he is back for a week and is in a very bad mood.
Farmgirl, you are welcome

farmgirl
04-19-2004, 12:19 PM
Get ready for the fallout! He called me and said he is back for a week and is in a very bad mood.
Farmgirl, you are welcome


:D
I chatted with him as well, and I'm sure he'll be around later.

memphiz
04-19-2004, 04:53 PM
thanks for the article

MetalBoy
04-19-2004, 05:08 PM
Nice little article, but he already has my respect and gratitude for doing what he believes in. This articles no big deal IMHO.

TriggerPuller
04-19-2004, 08:23 PM
Im baaack and somebody here is on my **** list!!!

TP

farmgirl
04-19-2004, 08:25 PM
Im baaack and somebody here is on my **** list!!!

TP

I bet it's not me.... ;)

TriggerPuller
04-19-2004, 08:26 PM
Nice little article, but he already has my respect and gratitude for doing what he believes in. This articles no big deal IMHO. Thank you!
It is not the article but PERSEC issue with my name being told by someone. If I wanted to tell this board my name I would do it myself! True that my name is in the article but nobody that doesnt know me would have known which guy I was. Thats all! Its funny I was interviewed for 30 mins and she gives me two little lines and one of them she didnt even get right. Oh well at least I dont LOOK like a bloodthirsty killer it could have been worse!
TP

TALOS
04-19-2004, 08:44 PM
Im baaack and somebody here is on my **** list!!!

TP

???? care to elucidate?


edit: damn Im slow, never mind.

ibstolidude
04-19-2004, 08:53 PM
Nice little article, but he already has my respect and gratitude for doing what he believes in. This articles no big deal IMHO. Thank you!
It is not the article but PERSEC issue with my name being told by someone. If I wanted to tell this board my name I would do it myself! True that my name is in the article but nobody that doesnt know me would have known which guy I was. Thats all! Its funny I was interviewed for 30 mins and she gives me two little lines and one of them she didnt even get right. Oh well at least I dont LOOK like a bloodthirsty killer it could have been worse!
TP
Check PM.

Haiw
04-19-2004, 08:59 PM
TP check PM.

Haiw
04-19-2004, 09:01 PM
fack

memphiz
04-19-2004, 09:03 PM
TP check PM.
?

sup TP, hows it going

ChuckThunder
04-19-2004, 09:11 PM
TP,

On tonight's O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly was talking **** about PMCs, mostly Blackwater. He was saying stuff like, "Blackwater is hiring people without experience just so they can throw more guys in Iraq to get more money". He also said, "We asked the president of Blackwater to come on the show, he declined so he can hide under his desk".

MetalBoy
04-19-2004, 09:15 PM
TP,

On tonight's O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly was talking **** about PMCs, mostly Blackwater. He was saying stuff like, "Blackwater is hiring people without experience just so they can throw more guys in Iraq to get more money". He also said, "We asked the president of Blackwater to come on the show, he declined so he can hide under his desk".

I usually agree with O'Reilly on foreign policy, but I believe he's way off with that remark. How does he back up statements like this?


Blackwater is hiring people without experience just so they can throw more guys in Iraq to get more money

I thought Blackwater mostly hired ex Special Operators.

ChuckThunder
04-19-2004, 09:23 PM
TP,

On tonight's O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly was talking **** about PMCs, mostly Blackwater. He was saying stuff like, "Blackwater is hiring people without experience just so they can throw more guys in Iraq to get more money". He also said, "We asked the president of Blackwater to come on the show, he declined so he can hide under his desk".

I usually agree with O'Reilly on foreign policy, but I believe he's way off with that remark. How does he back up statements like this?


Blackwater is hiring people without experience just so they can throw more guys in Iraq to get more money

I thought Blackwater mostly hired ex Special Operators.

They do along with other very professional LE guys, he had no room to talk but was going off like he was working for them. He wouldn't let **** Couch (former Navy SEAL) even reply to what he was saying. I think he is just trying to piss off the guys at Blackwater so they come on the show.

MetalBoy
04-19-2004, 09:34 PM
Dude, if he treated Captain Couch with anything but the utmost respect he's lost a lot of credibility in my opinion of him.

HooyahCQB
04-19-2004, 10:06 PM
I like O'Reilly too, but he really didn't know what the hell he was talking about when talking to Couch about Blackwater.

From Blackwater


We employ only the most highly motivated and professional operators, all drawn from various U.S. and international Special Operations Forces, Intelligence and Law Enforcement organizations.

Not average Joes like O'Reilly speculated

TriggerPuller
04-19-2004, 10:24 PM
Yeah I saw it too.Everyone on my QRF are former SoF types. The guards that work below us are at the very least former Grunts(Army and Marine).
I believe O'reilly's point was that if PMC's need bodies so bad and there are no real rules out there why not just fill those slots with just anybody.
I didnt like what he was getting at either and I felt bad for D. Couch,damn good man!!
Guys who have not been in the Military at least in some capacity will not be able to get the proper clearances to get these jobs at least with the top companies that do PSD work for the high ranking officials.Just today one of my best friends(retired SEAL) and SEAL CQB instructor at Niland was dropped from training from one of the most well known PMC's because they said they thought that his head was not in the game even though he was the top shooter in the training. drivers and construction types are a whole nother matter and I dont even deal with that ****!
The roads to where my Team needs to get are closed and we will try again later this week or early next.

TP

Fintin
04-19-2004, 10:27 PM
how does one get a job as a driver, or doing the construction?

xjym2002
04-19-2004, 10:51 PM
Be safe, TP.

Btw, all Marines have nickname like TriggerPuller or ForceReaper? ;)

MetalBoy
04-19-2004, 11:13 PM
Be safe, TP.

Btw, all Marines have nickname like TriggerPuller or ForceReaper? ;)
Only the coolest :D .

ibstolidude
04-19-2004, 11:32 PM
TP,

On tonight's O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly was talking **** about PMCs, mostly Blackwater. He was saying stuff like, "Blackwater is hiring people without experience just so they can throw more guys in Iraq to get more money". He also said, "We asked the president of Blackwater to come on the show, he declined so he can hide under his desk".
Unlike the highly proffessional outfits like KBR, CB and DC???