Italians in Somalia, 1993

[ForzaItalia]

Sorry, most of these photos are pretty small.
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Most of these are of the Folgore paratroopers.

Forza Folgore!

[Baked Alaskan]

Is the Beretta (AR70?) capable of grenade launcher. Is it still the shoulder weapon used today by the IA?

[Marvin!!]

Good pics :)

[KillerBD]

Is the Beretta (AR70?) capable of grenade launcher. Is it still the shoulder weapon used today by the IA?

I may be mistaken but I think the are/have switched over to the H&K G-36 assault rifle.

[devil99]

I've never seen thos pictures before, thanks!

[Oneto15]

Is the Beretta (AR70?) capable of grenade launcher. Is it still the shoulder weapon used today by the IA?

The Esercito Italiano now uses the updated AR70/90 version of the eretta Assault Rifle.

Regards ... Oneto15
"BERETTA" 70/90 cal. 5,56 mm (fucile d'assalto)
http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/equipaggiamenti/img_equip/img_schede_armi/Scheda2a.JPG http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/equipaggiamenti/img_equip/img_schede_armi/Scheda2b.JPG http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/equipaggiamenti/img_equip/img_schede_armi/Scheda2c.JPG

Arma individuale cal. 5,56 mm x 45 NATO
CARATTERISTICHE E PRESTAZIONI PRINCIPALI

AR 70/90
SC 70/90
SCS 70/90
Lunghezza:

998 mm
986 mm
876 mm
Peso:

3,990 Kg
3,990 Kg
3,790 Kg
Serbatoio:

30 colpi
30 colpi
30 colpi
Celerità di tiro:

680 c/min
680 c/min
670 c/min

[Frost]

How many men did Italy loose in Afghanistan? I now they lost a number of men. There's even some photo of an armored vehicle that came under attack if I'm not wrong.

[Lewis]

Nice Pics.......maybe we go back soon..Si

[JackTheRipper]

How many men did Italy loose in Afghanistan? I now they lost a number of men. There's even some photo of an armored vehicle that came under attack if I'm not wrong.

almost 25 man in irak
but no more 10 in afghanistan

[MrJack]

How many men did Italy loose in Afghanistan? I now they lost a number of men. There's even some photo of an armored vehicle that came under attack if I'm not wrong.
I'm off topic, but these are the photos of the attack against an italian patrol in Afghanistan.

(Excuse me for my bad english)

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6882/00827214iw7.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2451/00827209yy1.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3632/00827208yk9.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2032/00827205rv9.jpg

[Con-man]

Great photo's, I didn't know Italy sent any forces to Somalia, then again I haven't read much else on Somalia except for what the US did there.

[goat89]

Nice pics! Thx!

[~center~]

Don't forget that Italian Marines were with us in Somalia in 1995 also. Good bunch of gents.

Semper Fi

[Zeev]

This AR 70 really seems to be a nice rifle, is it a reliable weapon?

[Zeev]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2032/00827205rv9.jpg

What this guy is doing??????????? :lol:

[vehemens]

extracting shrapnels from this soldier's legs?

(no, isn't a rectalscophy! :D )

[exarmyguard]

Didn't Italians help Somali's, or tip off the Somali's, when the US were going to conduct raids or operations? I read that in a book somewhere.

[exarmyguard]

extracting shrapnels from this soldier's legs?

(no, isn't a rectalscophy! :D )

Looks like a sh*tty job!

[vehemens]

Didn't Italians help Somali's, or tip off the Somali's, when the US were going to conduct raids or operations? I read that in a book somewhere.

they had different zone of operation and different ROE

[ForzaItalia]

Somalia was part of the Italian Empire until the allies took Italy, after which it was given as a protectorate to the British, who held it until the 1960s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Italian_empire_1940.PNG

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

Well, actually in 1950 the UN gave Italy a mandate to administrate Somalia that expired when the country became independent, in 1960.

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

Didn't Italians help Somali's, or tip off the Somali's, when the US were going to conduct raids or operations? I read that in a book somewhere.
Maybe, although to the best of my knowledge that's still classifiable as a case of black propaganda. If that was the truth I wouldn't mind anyway because at that time the US were at loggerheads with Italy over Somalia.

[M1A2U2]

Maybe, although to the best of my knowledge that's still classifiable as a case of black propaganda. If that was the truth I wouldn't mind anyway because at that time the US were at loggerheads with Italy over Somalia.

could u elaborate on that? I heard the Italians were the first to want to come and the help the US when they heard about the balckhawk crashes. Was it true that they werent actually getting along? If so i would like to see a source.

[Alex-L]

lots of rumors surround the italians in Somalia such as passing intel to the somalis etc about us movment and planned missions

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

they had different zone of operation

No, they didn't.


If that was the truth I wouldn't mind anyway because at that time the US were at loggerheads with Italy over Somalia.

So you wouldn't mind if another country gave the respective insurgency's in Iraq and/or Afghanistan intelligence about security operations the Italian contingents in those countries intended to conduct, just because they didn't agree with Italian policy?

[Frens]

This AR 70 really seems to be a nice rifle, is it a reliable weapon?

heavy but reliable and accurate.

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

Sure that I would, and I did. That's what was happening in Somalia, and not only in Somalia: two or more "allies" each against the other.
Different interests were at clash, and not only at governmental level. There were private, legal and illegal business running there, the picture was very blurred. So ugly things happened.
If I knew for a fact that Italian officers gave Aidid a tip upon US movements I would reprove them, probably. If by doing that they had saved Italian lives, I would approve. If they did it unintentionally or in good faith I might understand.
I only know that both American and Italian officers did unpleasant things to their counterpart, but I don't know the exact motives, their principals, or every movement behind the scenes.

[IsraDani]

lots of rumors surround the italians in Somalia such as passing intel to the somalis etc about us movment and planned missions

Well.. in fact every country had his "favourite" leader in that time.
Italians Aidid, Americans Ali Mahdi, the french maybe another warlorld leader 'cause everyone wanted to do their interests there.
That's why somalia is in deep sh*t now and "restore hope" was a failure.

Btw the Ar-90 seems a nice rifle.. I heard it had lots of problem with sand, is that true?

[Chops]

No, they didn't.



So you wouldn't mind if another country gave the respective insurgency's in Iraq and/or Afghanistan intelligence about security operations the Italian contingents in those countries intended to conduct, just because they didn't agree with Italian policy?

Nicely put mate and dead on the mark.

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

Italians are always divided among themselves. Actually not many Italians supported Aideed, but some. Apparently, the ambassador, for example. The army was more busy to fight his men than to court him.

The Italian AOR was North of Mogadishu and, until Sept. 15, the Northern part of the city, which was largely controlled by Ali Mahdi, of the Abgal clan, but included an important enclave inhabited by people belonging to the Aber Gedir clan.
Italy also retained two camps along the coast, by the port and the airport, and a few units at the embassy. However the Southern part of Mogadishu was not under its direct responsibility. Aideed ruled that part.

[Red Craiola]

I heard those stories too. If I remember well In BHD Bowden (I consider that book quite reliable) states that sometimes pilots from 160th SOAR reported that during the take off they saw flashlights coming from the Italian camp directed to the city in order to alert the militia.Unfortunately those events weren't investigated. It's also reported that Italians forces, as well as Indians, offered their collaboration in the rescue mission of the U.S. forces struck in Mog during the battle of the 3rd October but U.S. preferred Malesyan and Pakistan help due to the need of APCs and tanks.

[Alex-L]

I heard those stories too. If I remember well In BHD Bowden (I consider that book quite reliable) states that sometimes pilots from 160th SOAR reported that during the take off they saw flashlights coming from the Italian camp directed to the city in order to alert the militia.Unfortunately those events weren't investigated. It's also reported that Italians forces, as well as Indians, offered their collaboration in the rescue mission of the U.S. forces struck in Mog during the battle of the 3rd October but U.S. preferred Malesyan and Pakistan help due to the need of APCs and tanks.

First part is majority of what I heard, second part I heard zero of that. It was more of they rquested 10th mtn, but 10th was under UN control and 10th plus other forces were called up, US had no say so on who went and who didnt.

[Red Craiola]

It was more of they requested 10th mtn, but 10th was under UN control and 10th plus other forces were called up, US had no say so on who went and who didnt.

Yep, that's correct, I considered obvious that TFR asked first for the 10th. I was referring to the fact that despite negative episodes like the flashlight ones the Italians, as long as the Indians, quickly offered their help when the story of the two downed BHs spreaded among the city, long before the UN force was assembled at the stadium.

[Alex-L]

I hadnt heard that, ill look around over at bhd93.com and see if that was posted somewhere by one of the vets

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

"Flashlight coming from the Italian camp"... Well, it really means nothing.
An heliborne operation lifts off from the city's airport and the only way for Aidid's men to learn that is to stare at Italian flashlights?
Italians may have committed all the sorts of wrongdoings, but Operation Gothic Serpent was not their fault.

[Alex-L]

"Flashlight coming from the Italian camp"... Well, it really means nothing.
An heliborne operation lifts off from the city's airport and the only way for Aidid's men to learn that is to stare at Italian flashlights?
Italians may have committed all the sorts of wrongdoings, but Operation Gothic Serpent was not their fault.

I dont think anyone is saying Gothic Serpent was "their" fault.

And lets be sensable, if your fighting joe and i tell you "ill flash my lights when joe takes off" your gunna look at me for my signal.

Remember, more then likly before the big operation on 10-3 there were communication links between the camps so the somalis in the city didnt know when the americans were taken off a mile+ away, but the italians staioned closer in the city could signal before the americans made it there

[kenshiroIT]

Italians are always divided among themselves.

all nations are divided among themselves.....unless you are telling me all americans support Bush, all spanish people support Zapatero...all brits T.Blair and so on.....

[kenshiroIT]

we lost around 14 guys in Somalia....by the hand of Aidid, I dont think somebody saw him as "allied", more probably, the blame is a way to lessen the ameircan failure blaiming other people.

[Alex-L]

we lost around 14 guys in Somalia....by the hand of Aidid, I dont think somebody saw him as "allied", more probably, the blame is a way to lessen the ameircan failure blaiming other people.

About 46 in total from Restore Hope and Gothic Serpant.

[kenshiroIT]

About 46 in total from Restore Hope and Gothic Serpant.

sad to know, war is a ugly thing.

[He219]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/DD-SD-00-00864.jpg

Right side front view of an Italian Soldier holding a 9mm Beretta Model 12S sub-machine gun. He stands on a sidewalk next to a wall that is heavily pockmarked from previous gun battles. The street is along the "Green Line", dividing north and south Mogadishu and the warring factions. The Soldiers is providing security as representatives of the warring clans (not shown) dismantle roadblocks along the line in a show of unity. This mission is in direct support of Operation Restore Hope. PH1 R. ORIEZ 19 Jan 1993
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A US Marine Cadillac Gage Light Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle from the 3rd Light Armor Infantry Battalion (left) and Italian Soldiers in a Fiat-OTO Melara Type 6614 Armored Personnel Carrier (right) guard an intersection on the "Green Line" in Mogadishu. The line divides the northern and southern part of the city and warring clans. This mission is in direct support of Operation Restore Hope PH1 R. ORIEZ 19 Jan 1993

[centa]

About 46 in total from Restore Hope and Gothic Serpant.

maybe i didn't understand tour messagebut but.....i think it's not a match between who had lost more brothers....

[easyand]

It's also reported that Italians forces, as well as Indians, offered their collaboration in the rescue mission of the U.S. forces struck in Mog during the battle of the 3rd October but U.S. preferred Malesyan and Pakistan help due to the need of APCs and tanks.


It's true, but US command refused our help, also if we had tanks and lot of APCs, we also had some A129s

[Alex-L]

maybe i didn't understand tour messagebut but.....i think it's not a match between who had lost more brothers....

You misunderstood, no worries.

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

Yes, if we're fighting Joe (the US), but are we? You take for granted that Aidid was supported by "the Italians" (mafiosi?) and that they wanted to get a few rangers dead. The Somali warlord probably did want that, but the Italians!?
The airport area was controlled by Aidid. The Americans certainly had realized that every and each of their sorties was going to be spotted and reported to the big boss of the Heber Gedir, regardless of who would have done that job and how.
Even if those flashlights were what Bowden and his sources think they were (I think that's dubious, at best), it's hard to tell that were "the Italians" who sent out signals to Aidid; it seems more like an attempt of scapegoating to me.

[Alex-L]

Yes, if we're fighting Joe (the US), but are we? You take for granted that Aidid was supported by "the Italians" (mafiosi?) and that they wanted to get a few rangers dead. The Somali warlord probably did want that, but the Italians!?
The airport area was controlled by Aidid. The Americans certainly had realized that every and each of their sorties was going to be spotted and reported to the big boss of the Heber Gedir, regardless of who would have done that job and how.
Even if those flashlights were what Bowden and his sources think they were (I think that's dubious, at best), it's hard to tell that were "the Italians" who sent out signals to Aidid; it seems more like an attempt of scapegoating to me.

its something we will never know for sure

[kenshiroIT]

its something we will never know for sure

but, we know for sure Aidid was NOT a allied.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Sure that I would, and I did. That's what was happening in Somalia, and not only in Somalia: two or more "allies" each against the other.
Different interests were at clash, and not only at governmental level. There were private, legal and illegal business running there, the picture was very blurred. So ugly things happened.
If I knew for a fact that Italian officers gave Aidid a tip upon US movements I would reprove them, probably. If by doing that they had saved Italian lives, I would approve. If they did it unintentionally or in good faith I might understand.
I only know that both American and Italian officers did unpleasant things to their counterpart, but I don't know the exact motives, their principals, or every movement behind the scenes.

So you would mind another country gave the respective insurgency's in Iraq and/or Afghanistan intelligence about security operations the Italian contingents in those countries intended to conduct, just because they didn't agree with Italian policy.

But if it originated from an Italian contingent that would be okay because there would be some sort of extenuating circumstance that would excuse such conduct such as other countries do "unpleasant" things to us so therefore it's alright that we do it to them...

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

... But if it originated from an Italian contingent that would be okay because there would be some sort of extenuating circumstance that would excuse such conduct such as other countries do "unpleasant" things to us so therefore it's alright that we do it to them...
No, it works both ways. I would mind if your country did "unpleasant things" to our people, you would mind if my country did "unpleasant things" to your people. Neither country would be "excused".
It's the old say "right or wrong, my country".
Incidentally, I was a bit enflating and simplificating the concept, so I apologize if anybody took offense, just as I supposed that a few Italian readers had took offense. Not all of the Italians live on a guilty trip, methinks.

[M1A2U2]

I also know the Italians and US marines worked very closely together at the beginning of UNITAF. So I don't think its fair to say there was any tension between the two that was at all noteworthy. Bowden clearly didnt care enough to look into that allegation any furhter so who knows.

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

Tension was at a political level, at least initially, when US Marines still were the backbone of Restore Hope. Indeed the first discussions (aside from preexistent media gossip) were around why US authorities didn't authorize the first Italian C-130 to land at Mogadishu.

[M1A2U2]

Tension was at a political level, at least initially, when US Marines still were the backbone of Restore Hope. Indeed the first discussions (aside from preexistent media gossip) were around why US authorities didn't authorize the first Italian C-130 to land at Mogadishu.

Curious where youre getting this info from?

[Primus Severus Aemilianus]

It was on every Italian media at that time and, although as far as I could ascertain it was not really accurate, no diplomatic explanation could do much to ease the resulting tension.

[UniformSix]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Italo_beled_weyne.jpg

Bersaglieri on a Check-Point in Belet Weyne 1993

[iam980]

Any photo about today Esercito Italiano

[brad]

Nice pics.

[easyand]

Any photo about today Esercito Italiano

use the serach function, you will find a good numbers of photos

[ghostdog]

Some other pics about italian soldiers in somalia :
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9620/dedicatoatutticolorochevr1.jpg http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7929/a129016ug9.jpg

[ghostdog]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6632/a129013kp2.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8981/a129017hy9.jpg

:)

[tactical73]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/tactical73/scansione0080.jpg

I in Somalia

[tactical73]

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[tactical73]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/tactical73/scansione0031.jpg

[ghostdog]

Nice pics tactical73
tnx :)

[ghostdog]

I think this is a big fake !

You've copied from : http://renjervalour.blogspot.com/

[tactical73]

am a former soldier of the Brigade Parachutists Folgore, 187° Regiment, 4° Company Falchi, of Livorno. From 1992 to 1994 it participate in the mission IBIS Somalia for 6 months, and having participated in different combats of whom those of July 2 1993 to Mogadiscio where lost the life:
S.ten. Andrea Millevoi 8° Rgt Lancieri of Montebello ,
S. Mag. Stefano Paolicchi 9° Parachutists ASSAULT OF BTg "
Col Moschin, Par. Easter Baccaro 186° Rgt Parachutists " Folgore,
besides 22 injured.
tomorrow post other pics

[ggk]

I think this is a big fake !

You've copied from : http://renjervalour.blogspot.com/

yes i copied it...thats why it was quoted...so what?
no its not fake...its the real thing. Search at wiki about the incident.

wiki


One of the known foreign operations involving this regiment was an attack by Somali militia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somali_militia&action=edit) on a convoy transporting UN Intelligence Chief in UNOSOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNOSOM) II on 18 July (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_18) 1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994). In the action, 2 members of the regiment were killed in action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killed_in_action) while another 4 were wounded. One of the injured men was taken hostage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage) by the militia and was released 9 hours later.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

So the Malaysians were "taken prisoner" as opposed to everyone else present who "sheepishly surrendered"

You hold the New Zealand Warrant Officer equally to blame for not giving clear directions when the Malaysian Warrant officer didn't give any either?

Nationalistic biased sh!t.

[theholeinthedonut]

Nice pics tactical73! Thx for posting!

[ggk]

So the Malaysians were "taken prisoner" as opposed to everyone else present who "sheepishly surrendered"

You hold the New Zealand Warrant Officer equally to blame for not giving clear directions when the Malaysian Warrant officer didn't give any either?

Nationalistic biased sh!t.

the officer were lightly armed....and with the civillian tangle during the attack...its obvious they had to surendered. One can imagine how confusing at that time, and how frustrating it was when it hits them that the situation were out of hand.

anyway i did not express my opinion or emotion on what happen there...obviously someone screwup. Like i said i have nothing against the Italian. What i did is just sharing this journal writen by the soldier involved in the incident. As the tense writing style , my guess is the person who wrote it just angry for the death of his comrade.

[ggk]

the malaysian warrant officer were a 'spook'. Hes not in command and the spec forces were not under him. The Italian Colonel was in command.

Colonel Fulvio Vezzalini snatch this team from Captain Rizal without his knowing, because if he know they were going into the Matchstick Factory area, Capt Rizal will surely stop this convoy, as per strict instruction by malaysian comander Major Len Olivero. Especially since the reason for him going there is just to visit his birth place.

Im not flaming or what ever you think im doing. As far as im concern New Zealand were malaysia ally. But screwup did happen in any conflict...in any country. Instead of take offence on the article we should think on how this incident should be avoided in the first place.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Hey, I don't give a sh!t who wrote it, you posted the article, sport.

You don't like the response then you should consider what you post.

The New Zealand Warrant Officer wasn't in command nor was he a combat trade either.

[ggk]

Hey, I don't give a sh!t who wrote it, you posted the article, sport.

You don't like the response then you should consider what you post.

The New Zealand Warrant Officer wasn't in command nor was he a combat trade either.


suite your self....

[ggk]

Hey, I don't give a sh!t who wrote it, you posted the article, sport.

You don't like the response then you should consider what you post.

The New Zealand Warrant Officer wasn't in command nor was he a combat trade either.

no body blame everythin entirely to the New Zealand Warrant Officer, dufest. In the article it only say this..


There was no clear Leadership in this group, if there were Leaders, the Italian Colonel, two Captains from Italy and the New Zealand Warrant Officer did not give clear directions. There were mixed orders from them to stay cool and not fight back. Ghani hesitated because of this screw-up, one of the Somalis yanked the rifle from his hands and another pumped some rounds into Corporal Ghani’s head. He fell down dead.

if you dont like the article, with your attitude like that, i dont give a sheet either. screw you.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

suite your self....


Yeah, thanks I will.



no body blame everythin entirely to the New Zealand Warrant Officer, dufest.

Oh, so it's not entirely his fault?

Only partially?


if you dont like the article, screw you.

Aw, poor baby. :petting:

Can't handle it when someone calls you on a sh!t post?:backhand:

[ggk]

Can't handle it when someone calls you on a sh!t post?


im ok....how about you?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

im ok....how about you?

I'm laughing at your little temper tantrum.

[ggk]

I'm laughing at your little temper tantrum.

same here...you sound childish

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

same here...you sound childish

Which part?

The one where I clearly pointed out the nationalistic, biased smearing of anyone who wasn't a Malaysian on that patrol?

Or the part where a New Zealand warrant officer was 'partially' to blame for not providing command to the patrol whereas the malaysian warrant officer who was doing the exact same job on the patrol was completely blameless?

[kenshiroIT]

ggk what is the reason for you to post slanderous and doubfull articles?

And since everybody can edit wikipedia, it doesent make of it a reliable source.

[ggk]

Which part?

The one where I clearly pointed out the nationalistic, biased smearing of anyone who wasn't a Malaysian on that patrol?

Or the part where a New Zealand warrant officer was 'partially' to blame for not providing command to the patrol whereas the malaysian warrant officer who was doing the exact same job on the patrol was completely blameless?

nope the part that you said " i dont give a sh!t.."

[ggk]

ggk what is the reason for you to post slanderous and doubfull articles?

And since everybody can edit wikipedia, it doesent make of it a reliable source.

Well its not like there were any other acounts of this anywhere in the net nor media.

the reason i post it not for slandering or make fun of anyone. Im just curious, and hope that i can get more information here, view from the other side. But what i get is...some one writinng in anger...an full of flaming and ranting.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Oh, so you're having a whinge because I didn't accept your excuse "i didn't write it, I only posted it".

Seems like you were intentionally trying to flame/derail about Italians in Somalia with some of your own personally held grudges.

[ggk]

i have no grouch against italian. But i post this just to share the story.


first i said this


anyway i did not express my opinion or emotion on what happen there...obviously someone screwup. Like i said i have nothing against the Italian. What i did is just sharing this journal writen by the soldier involved in the incident. As the tense writing style , my guess is the person who wrote it just angry for the death of his comrade.

then this ...in which your reply was you dont give a sh!t.

so which part that said i have a grudges against anyone?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I pointed out, quite clearly, that the article that you posted was biased, nationalistic sh!t.

I also pointed out, quite clearly, that to hold accountable one soldier for an action and not another soldier of the exact same rank, role and even country of the protection detail is also sh!t.

To which you replied,


no body blame everythin entirely to the New Zealand Warrant Officer, dufest.

And I replyed with the questions,


Oh, so it's not entirely his fault?

Only partially?

Which by the way was after you fired the first personal insults and you still haven't answered them.

[kenshiroIT]

yes i copied it...thats why it was quoted...so what?
no its not fake...its the real thing. Search at wiki about the incident.

wiki

can you plz post the link?

[eihdo]

I think this is a big fake !

You've copied from : http://renjervalour.blogspot.com/
here's the link

[kenshiroIT]

here's the link

no I mean the link from wiki...

[eihdo]

click the words with underline
One of the known foreign operations involving this regiment was an attack by Somali militia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somali_militia&action=edit) on a convoy transporting UN Intelligence Chief in UNOSOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNOSOM) II on 18 July (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_18) 1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994). In the action, 2 members of the regiment were killed in action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killed_in_action) while another 4 were wounded. One of the injured men was taken hostage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage) by the militia and was released 9 hours later

[tactical73]

after the fighthttp://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/tactical73/scansione0039.jpg

[tactical73]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/tactical73/scansione0034.jpg

[tactical73]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/tactical73/scansione0029.jpg

[ghostdog]

Belle foto tnx

[ggk]

I pointed out, quite clearly, that the article that you posted was biased, nationalistic sh!t.

I also pointed out, quite clearly, that to hold accountable one soldier for an action and not another soldier of the exact same rank, role and even country of the protection detail is also sh!t.

To which you replied,



And I replyed with the questions,



Which by the way was after you fired the first personal insults and you still haven't answered them.

actually you are the first to insult....all right since you are so agitated with the article...and so convinced that the newzealand oficers were the best and profesional...i ll remove the article. bye bye....sweet drem.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

actually you are the first to insult

Actually, I wasn't.

All I said was I don't give a ****. Which isn't an insult because I was talking about myself.

You on the other hand directly insulted me.


and so convinced that the newzealand oficers were the best and profesional

Where did I say that, exactly?

If you can't post without twisting words and outright lying, then don't post at all.


..i ll remove the article. bye bye....sweet drem.

Good. Next time try thinking before you post.

[ggk]

what ever ... sooo sensitive...

[theholeinthedonut]

what ever ... sooo sensitive...

If it really turns you on to insult people why don't you switch to PM's !! You're ruining this brilliant PHOTO thread!

THX to those posting the good pics!!!!!!

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Problem solved.

Oh, btw, I was in Mogadishu at around that time. Conducted joint patrols across the green line with Malaysian rangers on several occasions.

Carry on.