Civilian Kalashnikovs: Saiga Rifles & Shotguns

[TheArmenian]

Saiga Shotguns (12 gauge)

Basic version

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9956/saiga1212td1.jpg


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8651/saiga1214pv4.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9865/saiga1213pk3.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Saiga 12K version
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1970/saiga1211yq4.jpg

Taktika version
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/111/saigataktika18mi8.jpg

EXP version (12 gauge)
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7720/saiga12isp02eu7.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Saiga 12 EXP with Saiga 12K
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2474/saiga12sisp3003oq5.jpg

Saiga 12 EXP Legion (wood)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6054/saigaexpcz9.gif

Saiga 12 EXP (also called SWAT version)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9882/saiga12sisp3009ak8.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Basic 410 version
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7578/saiga41021ae5.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3814/saiga41020rz6.jpg

Saiga MK version in 410
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6545/saiga41005ld8.jpg

[Ghetto Defendant]

Nice...It always made sense to me to have detachable magazines on tactical/combat shotguns. Reloading a tube feed shotgun is too slow.

[TheArmenian]

Basic version

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4638/saiga16do1.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5020/saiga07hs3.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7219/saiga31th1.jpg
Basic version (short barrel) and wood stock version

[TheArmenian]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4150/saiga30818sr2.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3429/saiga30810rv7.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6449/saiga30820bp2.jpg
Version with thumbhole stock

[TheArmenian]

Available only in 308 and 30-06 calibers

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7192/saiga10030804gs5.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9141/saiga10030805rf4.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2656/saiga10030806cc5.jpg

[GazB]

I remember seeing an AK based shotgun with combined semi auto and pumpaction design (note for those that don't know there are some shot gun rounds that are quite useful (to police and paramilitary units) that don't generate enough recoil or enough gas to cycle an auto and must be used in a pump action).
Such a design is reasonably common in the west... even the old SPAS 12 (known as the shotgun in Half Life) can be set to fire as an auto, semi auto, and pump action gun.

[Yimmy]

Hmmm..... British civilian legal RPK light machineguns, kalashnikovs and Tiger sniper rifles....

http://www.decadefirearms.com/images/LMGStraightpull.gif

http://www.decadefirearms.com/images/SPAR.gif

http://www.decadefirearms.com/images/TIGR04.gif

http://www.decadefirearms.com/main.htm

All castrated mind.

[TheArmenian]

The MK series saigas look like the real military version AKs. They can fire only in the semiautomatic mode.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/755/saigamk01bs3.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5651/saigamk05wx8.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2066/saigamk03dt9.jpg

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/4459/saigamk08bv5.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2713/saigamk04nk1.jpg

[AKS]

Thanks for the awsome pics man

Nor Tarinel Shnorhavor Lini

[TheArmenian]

To AKS:
Shnorhavor nor dari



To everybody:
Happy New Year

[TheArmenian]

I remember seeing an AK based shotgun with combined semi auto and pumpaction design (note for those that don't know there are some shot gun rounds that are quite useful (to police and paramilitary units) that don't generate enough recoil or enough gas to cycle an auto and must be used in a pump action).
Such a design is reasonably common in the west... even the old SPAS 12 (known as the shotgun in Half Life) can be set to fire as an auto, semi auto, and pump action gun.

You must be talking about this version

http://www.club.guns.ru/images/symposium/12.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Interesting info about Russian combat shotguns

http://www.club.guns.ru/eng/symposium.html

[pascalywood]

man it makes me wish (by times) that canada has the same firearms law that in the united states

[Roy Batty]

man it makes me wish (by times) that canada has the same firearms law that in the united states

It would be nice but maybe you should look at one of these ( legal in Canada )

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8382/mainimagega4.jpg

It's a Ruger 10/22 with a "Krinker Plinker" conversion kit

http://www.krinkerplinker.com/

[John Crighton]

A saiga in .308 & .30-06!!!!!!!

I have heard of the.308 version but no one has ever been able to answer the my question on the bore diameter. Russian .30 caliber is around .310-.311

U.S. .30 caliber is .308. What diameter do they make this barrel in?

If .308, I must look up both .308 and .30-06 versions. Are they exported to the U.S.?

[Jippo]

Naturally .308 & .30-06 are .308 diameter, it is only that originally Russian calibers like 7,62x53R and 7,62x39 are .311.


-jippo

[MrJack]

The civilian Kalashkinovs have the main caliber of the military version?

[TheArmenian]

A saiga in .308 & .30-06!!!!!!!

I have heard of the.308 version but no one has ever been able to answer the my question on the bore diameter. Russian .30 caliber is around .310-.311

U.S. .30 caliber is .308. What diameter do they make this barrel in?

If .308, I must look up both .308 and .30-06 versions. Are they exported to the U.S.?

Saigas rifles come in various calibers 7.62x39 , 223 , 308 etc

The Saiga 100 models come in 308 and 30-06 . Yes they are available in the USA, just look here http://raacfirearms.com/Saiga_100.htm

[Gremlin29]

I have a Saiga in 7.62x39 (yes this is the military cartidge MrJack) and it is a great weapon. I easily and legally converted it to military configuration with black polymer stock, pistol grip and fore grip. It can also accept any AK type mags after the conversion. These provide a great and inexpensive way to own a quality Russian made AK which are way better than the WASR's, Madi's and the flood of AK clones on the market. The .308 version fires the standard 7.62x51 Nato round, the 30.06 fires the standard 30.06 round used by the US military through WWII. 308 (not Win 308) and 30.06 are totally different cartridges.

[TheArmenian]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2607/saiga12k0400213pz0.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/681/saiga12k04002legion06jm1.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3606/saigataktika05ch4.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2645/saiga21ad3.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8280/saiga38mb4.jpg

[mannelig]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1369/saigaek8.jpg

[yiorgo]

converting saiga AKs is very easy....my last gun show here had the 308 and 762x39 for sale under $300....should have jumped on one but I really am holding out for the SCAR H

check out these sweet conversions...Tromix does awesome work

http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm

click to the left saiga rifles and saiga shotguns

[Proud American]

wow. too bad I have no money, otherwise I would go squirrel hunting with a saiga on my farm

[n_shanygin]

wow they look badass

[sct1886]

Saiga 12 with Chinese side folder. IMOP more functional than left side folder. The right side folder allows optics to be mounted while stock is folded. Grenade launcher buttplate greatly reduces felt recoil.

[aartamen]

the shotgun looks uglier than the AK and that's an achievement in itself

[John Crighton]

Saigas rifles come in various calibers 7.62x39 , 223 , 308 etc

The Saiga 100 models come in 308 and 30-06 . Yes they are available in the USA, just look here http://raacfirearms.com/Saiga_100.htm

Thank you!

Jippo, I know the calibers and bore diameters, I have just never been given an answer as to whether the Russians re-tooled for the "American" bore diameter or stuck with the Russian .30 cal. diameter and chambered for an "American" round. It would work, but accuracy would suck.

[Jippo]

It's a standard (SAAMI in the U.S., C.I.P in Europe), and cannot be changed like that. Normal ammunition factories follow these and that's it.

I know that it is possible to use .308 bullets when home reloading certain .311 calibers, but doing it the other way will be very dangerous because of the chamber pressure. But certainly this is only for a certain weapon and in certain limits, a risk that ammunition manufacturers can not take.

Same goes for weapon manufacturers, you can not call a weapon with .311 bore diameter a .30-06 since it is not. It would be a wildcat.


-jippo

[kapela]

http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/english/civilni.htm

Zastava arms

[mannelig]

http://www.youtube.com/v/_XDNvSXP8W0 (http://youtube.com/watch/v/_XDNvSXP8W0)

Hmm... why it doesen`t want to work?

[sct1886]

Thank you!

Jippo, I know the calibers and bore diameters, I have just never been given an answer as to whether the Russians re-tooled for the "American" bore diameter or stuck with the Russian .30 cal. diameter and chambered for an "American" round. It would work, but accuracy would suck.

I have never slugged my Saiga .308, but it will shoot 1.25" groups all day long. Most will, I can assure you the Ruskies are very capable of making barells in any caliber. (They retooled for .308) The Saiga line in general are all top shelf quality.

[DizBukHaPeter]

Do saigas have rib sights for bird hunting?

[Cstafford]

The MK series saigas look like the real military version AKs. They can fire only in the semiautomatic mode.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/755/saigamk01bs3.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5651/saigamk05wx8.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2066/saigamk03dt9.jpg

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/4459/saigamk08bv5.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2713/saigamk04nk1.jpg
can you find these in the U.S. i want one!

[mannelig]

Could anybody say which one is better Vepr-12 Molot or Saiga 12-Exp? Cause I heard different opinions.
Anyway here is Vepr-12 Molot (WildBoar-12 Sldgehammer) based on RPK.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7633/vpo20500fm5.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5661/vpo20501jh7.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1187/vpo20502tv4.jpg
http://www.molot.biz/product/molot205.php

[GazB]

Check out this link:

http://www.guncity.co.nz/content.asp?syscmd=picview&picID=147474

and

http://www.guncity.co.nz/content.asp?syscmd=picview&picID=108256