New EU Members: Bulgaria and Romania

[Switek]

I'm curious what are your opinions... Since January 1st, 2007 there will be 27 countries in EU.

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Bulgaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Flag_of_Bulgaria.svg/125px-Flag_of_Bulgaria.svg.png


Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Flag_of_Romania.svg/125px-Flag_of_Romania.svg.png

[signatory]

I'm looking positive on it, hopefully it will bring a higher standard of living for their people and at the same time a better growth and investment posibilities for European Union corporations which is of benefit for all. I remember all the expert posters before the 10 new were added in 2004.. about how east europeans would take French, UK, German jobs and so on but in reality they took the jobs that otherwise would have gone to China and India.

[Sato]

Welcome :hug:

I'm pretty confident Bulgaria and Romania will benefit from it, and the rest of the EU to in the long run.

[TheBelgian]

Still not convinced we should have added the first 10. Very unpopular and overzealous decision. And i dont think these two new ones are ready either.

[joka]

Although there was some speculation whether or not they joined too early I'm all for it. I think they can make the necessary reforms inside the union faster than if they had been left outside for another year or two.

Soon you'll be able to drive from Greece all the way up to Northern Lapland without ever showing your passport, slowly but steadily the borders are coming down. woot

Welcome both Bulgarians and Romanians!

[SHAM]

I'm all for romania and bulgaria joining and free trade for them etc, i think they never should have done away with the borders and work permits etc.
Considering both countries have a reputation for extensive corruption for "gifts" to get people to do there jobs, what controls have the EU put in place to make sure the money is going where it should.
Now we will have to do deal with the bulgarian and romanian recks on the road aswell, i hope there driving is better than the others.

[daily666]

I'm all for it. The entry into the EU will help Bulgaria and Romania develop much better than they used to. Poland and all the other 2004 candidates greatly benefit from EU as well as some older members who, ironically, benefited from influx of Eastern Europan immigrants (i.e. UK & Ireland).

One thing for consideration is that these countries are much poorer that the *big boom* candidates in 2004. Interesting thing is that Poland opened the labour markets for people from those two. Will we have an influx of immigrants from those the new members? It's going to be interesting.

I've been to both countries in 1989 and 1990. Eventhought I was a kid, the level of misery and poorness was astounding even to us, people from a neglected communist country too. I hope all the best for Bulgaria and Romania. Not everyone knows but those two are awesome holiday destinations.

[exarmyguard]

Geographically speaking, its nice to see more allies on the Black Sea. Curious about something, maybe a Romanian would know this, is the romanian language similar to Italian? Thats what I heard from a professor a long time ago. If so, would it be reasonable to expect those two nations to cooperate alot in the future?

[Switek]

Geographically speaking, its nice to see more allies on the Black Sea. Curious about something, maybe a Romanian would know this, is the romanian language similar to Italian? Thats what I heard from a professor a long time ago. If so, would it be reasonable to expect those two nations to cooperate alot in the future?

AFAIK Romanian is very similar to French. Anyway there are two pillars of stability and sfety in Europe: EU and NATO... In further perspective it's good to have as many countries with membership (or associated) as possible.

I'll make, among many more, two toasts, one for Romania, second for Bulgaria....

OMG! I didn't buy Bulgarian wine... :-(

[Five-to-One]

Very good for Romania and Bulgaria I think the economic benefit will be great for them. Sorry for my ignorance but didnt the EU say it had expanded too fast with the last big join and want to consolidate economic stability with those countries first before adding new members?
Also, how is this going to piss off Turkey? Once again ignorance but havent they been trying to join for longer? With much more effort?

[Switek]

Very good for Romania and Bulgaria I think the economic benefit will be great for them. Sorry for my ignorance but didnt the EU say it had expanded too fast with the last big join and want to consolidate economic stability with those countries first before adding new members?
Also, how is this going to piss off Turkey? Once again ignorance but havent they been trying to join for longer? With much more effort?

Well, AFAIK, joing new memers guarantees economic and political stability in those countries.

As for the rest, look here: European Union enlargements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union)

[Sharp]

I'm curious what are your opinions...


As long as they will work with and for Europe, and not against, all is fine, Switek. p-)

[exarmyguard]

Whats the property prices for some Romanian beach property?

[Switek]

As long as they will work with and for Europe, and not against, all is fine, Switek. p-)

This why they are joining, aren't they?



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BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6220591.stm)

New EU members prepare to party

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Bucharest's mayor has promised a party to remember

Romania and Bulgaria are getting ready to celebrate their entry into the European Union at midnight with rock music and traditional dancing.

Thousands are expected to attend the concerts in the countries' capitals.

Several European leaders will join in a folk dance in Bucharest, and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso will give a speech in Sofia.

From 1 January the EU will have 27 members - up from to 15 three years ago - and a population of half a billion.

The accession of the two new countries comes amid falling enthusiasm in Europe for the bloc's continuing expansion.

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Watch the EU map grow (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/enlarging_europe/html/eu_expansion.stm)

A Eurobarometer poll in autumn only 41% of people in the 15 states that were part of the EU before 2004 supporting further enlargement.

The two new countries will be subject to strict monitoring after they join, to ensure they make more progress in the fight against corruption and organised crime.

They will face export bans on certain foods, and Bulgaria has been warned that 55 of its aircraft could be grounded unless they reach EU safety standards.

Pyramid of light

Analysts say there is a risk that EU aid will be mis-spent, or just not taken up because the countries' institutions are too disorganised.
"The Bulgarian economy still lacks a certain competitiveness"
Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev
UK imposes stricter curbs (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6220655.stm)

There are also fears that the countries' economies will fail to compete with the rest of the EU's once trade barriers come down.

"The Bulgarian economy still lacks a certain competitiveness," Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev has admitted.

But both countries have big plans for celebrations.

Bucharest mayor Adriean Vidreanu has promised "a traditional party that Romanians will never forget".

European Enlargement Commissioner and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier are among the politicians joining hands for a traditional circle dance in the city.

In Sofia, a pyramid of light will illuminate the sky, with rays emanating from the city's Orthodox cathedral, its Armenian church, a synagogue, a mosque and another church.

Immigration fears

One Romanian factory has been working flat out sewing European flags for the celebrations.

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Bulgaria: Key facts (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6206378.stm)
Romania: Key facts (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6206390.stm)

Both Bulgaria and Romania are much poorer than the rest of the EU, with GDP per capita of about 33% of the EU average, compared with 50% in Poland.

Some Western European member states fear a flood of new immigrants, but officials in both countries say most of those who wanted to work abroad have already left.

Most of the 15 older EU member states have put in place restrictions on the free movement of workers from the two new members - though Finland and Sweden are two exceptions.

Most of the 10 newer member states, including Poland, say they will erect no barriers.

Bulgaria is due to close two reactors of its Kozloduy nuclear power station in the hours before joining the EU - one of the last remaining conditions of membership.

Also on 1 January, Slovenia will become the first of the 10 states which joined the EU in 2004 to adopt the European currency, the euro.

[Switek]

EDIT: double post

[Switek]

Whats the property prices for some Romanian beach property?

Let googling mate, I bet you'll find it p-)

[-Max2-]

Welcome to Bulgaria and Romania. :)

But no more expansion now please...

[Shadow]

I would welcome Norway much more than Bul/Rom...

[Switek]

Welcome to Bulgaria and Romania. :)

But no more expansion now please...

Why?

I'll show you some figures

New members (population)

Bulgaria: 7.7 mln.
Romania 22 mln.

Berlin (city): 3.3 mln

The most probable new candidate:

Croatia: 4.4 mln

Other applicants:

Macedonia 2 mln
Serbia: 7.5 mln
Bosnia and Hercegovina 4.2 mln
Montenegro 0.62 mln
Albania 3.2 mln

EU (25 countries) population 461 mln.

See the proportions? Of course demographic isn't all but very important factor.

[Banko]

Why would the EU let a poor country such as Romania join the EU?

[Switek]

I would welcome Norway much more than Bul/Rom...

well, byt Norwegians themselves (in referendum) said "no, thank you"... Pity, of course

[Switek]

Why would the EU let a poor country such as Romania join the EU?

the seme question was asked to Irleand in 1973, which was the poorest country in free Europe

[-Max2-]

Why?

Because its difficult for the EU to speak with a common voice when there are so many members. The EU cant continue to "absorb" new countries indefinitely or it will become unmanageable...

[SHAM]

At the end of the day, they are in now, so there is no point moaning about it.
They have the opportunity now like the other new members, in the same way as poor Ireland did in 73 as mentioned.
Now lets see what they can all do with the opportunity.

[Switek]

Because its difficult for the EU to speak with a common voice when there are so many members. The EU cant continue to "absorb" new countries indefinitely or it will become unmanageable...

You got the point. EU needs a reform. It's just impossible to manage EU according rules when they concerned only 10 states...I hope there is no more new members until EU will make new rules of managing...

The nearest date of joining new members is 2010-12 (Croatia and (?) Macedonia). Enough time to make necessary decissions

[SHAM]

From Sky News

UK Work Permit Warning
Updated: 14:37, Sunday December 31, 2006

Bulgarians and Romanians are being discouraged from travelling to Britain without a work permit.

The Home Office has launched a £280,000 campaign before the countries join the EU tomorrow.

The advertising strategy comes amid concerns that the two nations' accession will lead to a surge of migrant workers.

Large numbers came to the UK from Poland and other eastern European nations after the last union enlargement.

The Government has introduced labour market restrictions in a bid to prevent a repeat.

It has also been using television, radio and hoardings to get the message across in Romania and Bulgaria.

Some 8,000 posters have been put up and 40,000 leaflets distributed across the two countries.

The Mail on Sunday reported that one hoarding in the Romanian capital, Bucharest, warned: "Don't come to Britain without a work permit."

A Home Office spokesman said: "This will help to ensure that people won't arrive here under the illusion that they will be able to enter jobs straight away or to claim benefits."

Meanwhile, The Sunday Telegraph claimed that fake qualifications are being sold in eastern Europe to help would-be migrants obtain work permits.

The paper said it had obtained counterfeit documents for jobs including nurses, engineers and lorry drivers.
.............................................................................

The last couple of paragraphs are worrying, claiming benefits and fake qualifications.

[v-twin]

Well gentlemen, thank you for your welcome. In about 3 hours, my country will join the big European family. I can't speak for Bulgarians, but in Romania, there are mixed feelings about the upcoming event. I also understand the Westerners' feelings about us joining. I can't blame all the bad publicity we had on the gypsies but they do most of the harm. I'm sorry to say it, but they do the damage, we have to pay for it.

Most are bothered by the hatred shown in British newspapers, some believe that joining will drive our economy into the ground, will kill our agriculture(the whole 'natural' aspect of it with the European regulations for fertilizers), we don't like the laws on sacrificing animals(I'm sure you lads heard how we sacrifice pigs on Christmas), and some even fear that 'foreigners will steal our country'.

On the other side, there are people like myself who believe joining is a great thing; because we are bordering the Balkans and the Orient, there's a tendency to be more corrupt(little bribes here and there, improvisation, etc). Now with the Union, there will be people watching those fat phucks in the Parliament. Unfortuantely, our legislators are a bit...retarded but they tend to work well under pressure.

Languages: Romanian is part of the Romance languages along with Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, Catalan, etc.

Property: it's expensive as fsk! At the seaside, land goes for about €15-20/square metres. A 2 bedroom apt. in Bucharest ranges from €40 000 to over €150 000.

See you in Europe.

[tsuri]

I am not too happy to see them join under these conditions. We should have waited till they made real progress fighting corruption and improved their justice systems. But well the Union is full now and that is good. No enlargement whatsover before a new treaty.



I would welcome Norway much more than Bul/Rom...

You would not. Switzerland and Norway can not join the EU. Their representatives in Brussels can never give a definite anwser. How can you plan if some states suddenly change their position or have to wait for a referendum all the time?

[Schizo]

Europe, prepare for the gypsy hordes!

[Switek]

Europe, prepare for the gypsy hordes!


They already are.... not in hordes... :cantbeli:

[Loki77]

Congratulations???









I hope that Iceland never join to EU. Because we will lose the control of our natural resources and our political's decisions.

[v-twin]

Europe, prepare for the gypsy hordes!
They didn't need this to move around. They're ****ing everywhere :(

[Schizo]

They already are.... not in hordes... :cantbeli:

"Not in hordes"? What do you mean?

[Switek]

"Not in hordes"? What do you mean?

Nothing, they live like we all...

[Schizo]

Nothing, they live like we all...

They do? Please don't make me laugh...

[Switek]

They do? Please don't make me laugh...

yeah, you know better...

[Schizo]

yeah, you know better...

Living of other people's pockets...

[Switek]

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New EU members juggle high hopes
By Ben Richardson
Business reporter, BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6172933.stm), Romania and Bulgaria
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Sofia's bars and hotels are buzzing with the noise of big business

The Bulgaria cafe is full of cigarette smoke as Sofia's new breed of movers and shakers drink brandy, check their expensive watches and do deals.

Pidgin English mixes with broken Bulgarian as the wealthy elite juggle mobile phones and seek a slice of the predicted economic renaissance.

It is a scene that is being repeated across Bulgaria and neighbouring Romania in the lead up to their European Union membership on 1 January.

Make no mistake, business is booming.

Better times
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Agriculture remains a large part of a the economy in transition nations

Growth in Bulgaria and Romania is expected to be close to 5% this year, wages have been rising, and with more money in their pockets and easier access to credit cards and bank loans, many consumers are starting to enjoy themselves.

This expansion is not an abstract concept or a jumble of figures on a page.

You can taste it in the petrol fumes that choke the crowded streets of Sofia and Bucharest, and you can see it in the building sites that dot the cities and countryside.

You can also hear it in the voices of people as they talk about what the future holds.

Maria Lenich is a 32-year-old German from Munich, whose family moved to Romania to set up a hotel in the town of Timisoara.
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"I don't have a lot of money to go around. But business has got better"
Adrian Dumitrescu


Up and running since 2003, Hotel La Residenza has hosted celebrities such as the singer Shakira and looks after a stream of businesspeople employed by firms including Coca-Cola and French telecoms equipment maker Alcatel.

"This was a unique opportunity," she explains, adding that her experience of Romania has been "great".

"People have been helpful, and they want to stay and work in their country," she says. "We have not experienced any of the corruption that many investors are frightened about."

Surrounded by Christmas baubles and pricking his head on a plastic pine tree, Adrian Dumitrescu reckons that his Bucharest gift business will do well, even if EU entry means him paying more for his supplies from China and Turkey.

"I don't have a lot of money to go around," he says as his 70-year-old mother and trading partner looks on. "But business has got better."

Balancing act

Unfortunately, the problem facing transition economies like Romania and Bulgaria is that for every businessperson forging ahead, there are many more farmers, miners, and even doctors and teachers who feel left behind.

Ignoring this fact, lying to voters or spending heavily to improve a population's lot can often cause the type of economic problem and social unrest seen earlier this year in Hungary.

If EU membership is to be seen as a success in Romania and Bulgaria, analysts say, the key will be how the two countries manage the economic expectations of their populations.
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We just want to work and here there are no jobs"
Boris Petrov

No more than a short walk from the swanky leatherette of downtown Sofia - but at the other end of the country's financial spectrum - is the capital's vegetable market.

On a brisk Saturday morning it bustles with life. The stalls are piled high with fresh fruit and vegetables, cheap clothes mixed in with kitchen utensils and bright ceramics.

Vendors shout over the strains of Eastern music and the sound of a couple arguing.

Business is brisk. But the mood is very different.

Boris Petrov is a 28-year-old Roma gypsy who is looking to leave Bulgaria and head for work in the UK.

"We face very strong discrimination," he explains. "I went to work as a taxi driver but they looked at the colour of my skin and said 'no'."

"In the UK we won't face discrimination. We just want to work and here there are no jobs."

European question

This pessimism about the opportunities within Bulgaria may be amplified by Mr Petrov's alleged treatment, but he is not alone in expressing the fear that a future within the EU will do little to improve the lives of the majority.

Questions about the impact of EU development funds - some 32bn euros ($42bn; £21.5bn) to be distributed in Romania by 2013 and another 11bn euros in Bulgaria - are more often than not met with raised eyebrows and snorts of derision.
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"What does it mean to be European?"
Svetla Todorova

Corruption will stop the money filtering down, people say; it will take decades for any significant change to come in the most neglected parts of the country where unemployment is often 50%.

In the meantime, survival is getting harder as prices rise more quickly than wages, something that the majority of people believe will only get worse with EU entry.

"What does it mean to be European?" asks Svetla Todorova, a former commissioner of economic regulation who is helping her husband sell shirts from a stall at the Made in Bulgaria trade fair.

"These are concepts that are put together by people on high. Ordinary people are worried about daily problems - is it safe, can they afford to buy food."

Top table

At the Bulgaria cafe, middle-aged men and beautiful young women are enjoying all the trappings of a free-market economy as the lunchtime rush calms down.

There is no doubt that Romania and Bulgaria have come a long way in a short time but the key will be ensuring that the majority feels as if they are benefiting from everything that Brussels can offer.

And not just the people sitting in the prime seats.

[Limeyfellow]

They didn't need this to move around. They're ****ing everywhere :(

Thats the truth. While doing work when I was on break from University just about every other worker was a Romanian, illegally there. This will cause one big mass exodus to places like Britain.

[v-twin]

You know what's funny? There's a shortage of workers in Romania. National unemployment rate is 5%. We need workers! It's unfortunate that illegals are going over, but you know what? There has to be a demand for those people otherwise they wouldn't be there.

LE: please remember to make a clear distinction between Romanians and gypsies. If you are so much better than us as some of you claim, understand the differences and respect us the way we respect you.

6 minutes guys. Last chance to change your minds.

[Switek]

You know what's funny? There's a shortage of workers in Romania. National unemployment rate is 5%. We need workers! It's unfortunate that illegals are going over, but you know what? There has to be a demand for those people otherwise they wouldn't be there.

You face with a problem called low labour price in your country... what means relatively low payments..

[v-twin]

Wages have gone up significantly. I know there are problems... **** it, I wish I was home right now :(

(Too late to change your minds now, we're in the EU)

[Switek]

Wages have gone up significantly. I know there are problems... **** it, I wish I was home right now :(

(Too late to change your minds now, we're in the EU)

I do not get you man. Romania always was an still is a part of Europe... Jesus... Carpatia isn't the end of the world p-)

[v-twin]

I live in Canada right now and I only visit during the summers. The whole 'New Year' things kinda got me melancholic.

Indeed Romanians have always been European. :)


Happy New Year for those on CET

[signatory]

Well gentlemen, thank you for your welcome. In about 3 hours, my country will join the big European family. I can't speak for Bulgarians, but in Romania, there are mixed feelings about the upcoming event. I also understand the Westerners' feelings about us joining. I can't blame all the bad publicity we had on the gypsies but they do most of the harm. I'm sorry to say it, but they do the damage, we have to pay for it.

Most are bothered by the hatred shown in British newspapers, some believe that joining will drive our economy into the ground, will kill our agriculture(the whole 'natural' aspect of it with the European regulations for fertilizers), we don't like the laws on sacrificing animals(I'm sure you lads heard how we sacrifice pigs on Christmas), and some even fear that 'foreigners will steal our country'.

On the other side, there are people like myself who believe joining is a great thing; because we are bordering the Balkans and the Orient, there's a tendency to be more corrupt(little bribes here and there, improvisation, etc). Now with the Union, there will be people watching those fat phucks in the Parliament. Unfortuantely, our legislators are a bit...retarded but they tend to work well under pressure.

Languages: Romanian is part of the Romance languages along with Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, Catalan, etc.

Property: it's expensive as fsk! At the seaside, land goes for about €15-20/square metres. A 2 bedroom apt. in Bucharest ranges from €40 000 to over €150 000.

See you in Europe.

Nice to have you with us :) I remember when Sweden and Finland was about to join the EU in the 90's, how French, UK and other Europeans were bitching about how we would complicate everything and steal jobs and force new (evil socialist) laws upon them...

I remember the UK tabloids in 2003/2004 before the 10 new est-euro state joined.. and I've seen how dumb they are now again. I also remember times when people called on expelling Italy from the Union because of their bad economy and political scene... still things work out nicely.

Think whatever you want about the EU, but the expansions has been a big success.. of course it's difficult to say had it been better/worse if that one state had stayed outside.. a country like Hungary has trippled its GDP/Capita since the 90s.. a lot of headaches is removed if a country join and even small nations can have a big say on trade issues. The EU can be pretty brutal against non-member states if it really see a need to be so.

Norway is using a middle-solution, technically outside but they still pay a EU partnership fee to access the market but still has to worry abt if the EU will suddenly say "Eh no your salmon is too cheap or *cough* too toxic to sell in our union.. sorry!" and we also know their government really adapt their laws to the EU anyway... so.. it's kind of silly actually. :)

Might as well be in than out.

[Loki77]

Norway is using a middle-solution, technically outside but they still pay a EU partnership fee to access the market but still has to worry abt if the EU will suddenly say "Eh no your salmon is too cheap or *cough* too toxic to sell in our union.. sorry!" and we also know their government really adapt their laws to the EU anyway... so.. it's kind of silly actually. :)

Might as well be in than out.

It looks Iceland!!:)

Happy New Year signatory!!!

[perdurabo]

fine by me, now we have to stop and ask ourselves what is EU, who we are, where are we going, modify structures before we welcome another new members.

[roland]

Welcome to our European brothers :hug:woot

[kinghk]

Soon you'll be able to drive from Greece all the way up to Northern Lapland without ever showing your passport, slowly but steadily the borders are coming down. woot


That's because of the Schengen Agreement, not the EU.

[*^*]

EU sucks.

...

[daily666]

EU sucks.

...

Oh!

Would you elaborate on a subject?

[juliuspret]

EU sucks.

...


I could take a guess on your nationality, but that would be generalising then....wouldnt it!!!

[Switek]

I could take a guess on your nationality, but that would be generalising then....wouldnt it!!!

He's an eurosceptic... There are plenty of them in whole Europe. Not surprised, couse of its socialist nature p-)

[DaGreatRV]

Welcome to our club! :) New poor members give growth potential. woot

Next round is for Switzerland/Norway/Iceland. (me hopes!:roll:)

[tsuri]

>Next round is for Croatia/Macedonia/Albania/Montenegro/etc.

Fixed ^^

Switzerland,Norway and Iceland are in EFTA, therefore in the EEA, therefore won´t join.
They got all the duties without any word in the decisions but if their people think it´s a good idea, they can do it ;)


He's an eurosceptic... There are plenty of them in whole Europe. Not surprised, couse of its socialist nature

The EU gets frequently criticized for being too liberal, i.e. too close to American style capitalism.

[Doublethinker]

That would be one of the worst mistakes for the EU, I think. Bulgaria is for one in such a deep ass in terms of economic development, so it seems like another dead weight to be put on German shoulders, which already seems to act like a locomotive for most of the EU.

[Schizo]

>Next round is for Croatia/Macedonia/Albania/Montenegro/etc.


Haha, and I thought that Romania and Bulgaria in the EU was a funny idea rofl

[Resurrection]

Yes, the borders are coming down - increasingly weakening our nation-states in the process. Which in turn opens up for even more multiculturalism, thus supporting the further dissolution of people and country. Many here don't seem to understand the seriousness of mass immigration and its consequences for the national identity. People from all over the world have travelled for thousands of years, yet despite this mass immigration hasn't had much of a significant role in history. Not until the political reforms of the 1970s came into play.

The discontent among people is only going to become stronger and as a result we have the rapid growth of nationalist parties witnessed today. I yearn for the day when this sick experiment is halted and those who refuse to assimilate are kicked out.

[Switek]

Yes, the borders are coming down, thus weakening our nation-states. Which in turn opens up for even more multiculturism, supporting the further dissolution of people and country. Many here don't seem to understand the seriousness of mass immigration and its consequences for the national identity. People from all over the world have travelled for thousands of years, yet despite this mass immigration hasn't had much of a significant role in history. That is until the political reforms of the 1970s came into play.

The discontent among people is only going to become stronger and as a result we have the rapid growth of nationalist parties witnessed today. I yearn for the day when this sick experiment is halted.

Yeah, but Europe tries to bulit up new identity, european. There are two symbols of it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/European_flag.svg/240px-European_flag.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/CO1EURO_50.JPG/180px-CO1EURO_50.JPG

It's gonna last years... but who knows? ;)

[Loki77]

Yes, the borders are coming down, thus weakening our nation-states. Which in turn opens up for even more multiculturism, supporting the further dissolution of people and country. Many here don't seem to understand the seriousness of mass immigration and its consequences for the national identity. People from all over the world have travelled for thousands of years, yet despite this mass immigration hasn't had much of a significant role in history. That is until the political reforms of the 1970s came into play.

The discontent among people is only going to become stronger and as a result we have the rapid growth of nationalist parties witnessed today. I yearn for the day when this sick experiment is halted.

Nice reading...

I am not right-winger and neither racist but i agree with you that the problem at present time is the multiculturalism's bankruptcy.
READ (http://www.metamute.org/?q=en/Dis-integrating-Multiculturalism)

However, I find that EU is about economy and money.

[Schizo]

However, I find that EU is about economy and money.

Jews and money go well together. OI VEY!

p-)

[*^*]

I could take a guess on your nationality

Please, take.

[Schizo]

Please, take.

I'll take his position - Polska redneck! p-)

Did I win?

[Lazy Lob]

EU sucks.

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x2x4x5x6x1xz2x3x=mc2

is I a redneck hick?

[*^*]

Polska redneck! p-)

I've already complained to your rabbi. You are going to be spanked, little Jew. :-(

[*^*]

x2x4x5x6x1xz2x3x=mc2

is I a redneck hick?

:roll:

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[Schizo]

I've already complained to your rabbi. You are going to be spanked, little Jew. :-(

Gangsta Vova wouldn't be too happy...

[*^*]

Gangsta Vova wouldn't be too happy...

You are working for "Russia strong !!!11" crew too ?

[Schizo]

You are working for "Russia strong !!!11" crew too ?

Ve Azk Ze Questions!

[fourenziks]

They are getting their hopes up for nothing...

[daily666]

They are getting their hopes up for nothing...

We'll see. If you look how some countries benefitted from joining the EU, I wouldn't be so sure about that statement.

[Knutsen]

However, I find that EU is about economy and money.

That's the politicians' EU. Peoples' EU is still being built. Just wait some years until those who decide are the Erasmus generation, then things will change.

The EU is being built in the streets by people, not in some office in Brussels.
If fast results are what you guys are expecting you won't get them. Be patient and you'll see a brand new EU.

[Banko]

Well gentlemen, thank you for your welcome. In about 3 hours, my country will join the big European family. I can't speak for Bulgarians, but in Romania, there are mixed feelings about the upcoming event. I also understand the Westerners' feelings about us joining. I can't blame all the bad publicity we had on the gypsies but they do most of the harm. I'm sorry to say it, but they do the damage, we have to pay for it.

Most are bothered by the hatred shown in British newspapers, some believe that joining will drive our economy into the ground, will kill our agriculture(the whole 'natural' aspect of it with the European regulations for fertilizers), we don't like the laws on sacrificing animals(I'm sure you lads heard how we sacrifice pigs on Christmas), and some even fear that 'foreigners will steal our country'.

On the other side, there are people like myself who believe joining is a great thing; because we are bordering the Balkans and the Orient, there's a tendency to be more corrupt(little bribes here and there, improvisation, etc). Now with the Union, there will be people watching those fat phucks in the Parliament. Unfortuantely, our legislators are a bit...retarded but they tend to work well under pressure.

Languages: Romanian is part of the Romance languages along with Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, Catalan, etc.

Property: it's expensive as fsk! At the seaside, land goes for about €15-20/square metres. A 2 bedroom apt. in Bucharest ranges from €40 000 to over €150 000.

See you in Europe.
You sure that is expensive, just letting you know in the center of Kiev an apartment costs $20,000 per square meter.

[MOSTEAKA]

You sure that is expensive, just letting you know in the center of Kiev an apartment costs $20,000 per square meter.

Now that is the funniest thing I've heard this year so far.
$20,000 per square meter..................rofl rofl rofl rofl

[kosse]

Is it good thing that you can't afford to buy a home in the big cities with normal salary? Because I don't think it is.

[Switek]

Is it good thing that you can't afford to buy a home in the big cities with normal salary? Because I don't think it is.

With normal slary not but there exsist something like black or grey zone - unofficial system of earning money outside supervision of the state. This is not crime activity but something like black market of goods and services plus private import, export...

[daily666]

You sure that is expensive, just letting you know in the center of Kiev an apartment costs $20,000 per square meter.

What? Are you sure it's the right data? The most expensive apartaments in Poland cost 5.000-8.000EUR for a square meter.

[Switek]

What? Are you sure it's the right data? The most expensive apartaments in Poland cost 5.000-8.000EUR for a square meter.

he propably add one zero by mistake... I've made small, quick research (http://www.res.com.ua/eng/catalog.php?action=2&firstTry=0&aptType=3&rayon=%25&rooms_min=&rooms_max=&total_min=&total_max=&price_min=&price_max=&x=57&y=18), average "official" price is from 1.500 to 2.500 USD per square meter. But I can imagine special offer for even 20.000.

AFAIK I know that there are penthouses in Poland for more than 10.000 EUR...

[Insektor]

Another treason of the criminal regime in Sofia...

[Switek]

Another treason of the criminal regime in Sofia...
:roll:


share your ideas with us...

[kosse]

With normal slary not but there exsist something like black or grey zone - unofficial system of earning money outside supervision of the state. This is not crime activity but something like black market of goods and services plus private import, export...
Sounds criminal to me.

[Switek]

Sounds criminal to me.

in violence of civil and tax laws - yes...

but this very far from "hard core" crimes p-)

[Insektor]

:roll:


share your ideas with us...

Our bunch of criminals only want to steal money from the EU funds, like they stole the savings of our parents. Bulgaria is not ready for EU membership and this will have devastating effect on our economy.
Personally, I don't like the idea of living with bulgarian salary on european prices.

BTW
How many countries joined EU without referendum?

[Switek]

Our bunch of criminals only want to steal money from the EU funds, like they stole the savings of our parents. Bulgaria is not ready for EU membership and this will have devastating effect on our economy.
Personally, I don't like the idea of living with bulgarian salary on european prices.

BTW
How many countries joined EU without referendum?

I've hardly idea what's up in Bulgaria. Anyway I realy do not like current govrnment in my country but I'm quite calm couse we are in EU what makes some limitation on their decissions.

Sooner or later I believe that all will be ok. Besides all corruption and stupidy couse EU have some supervision tools and have influence when some common rules are violated. From my perspective I see some positive changes even in my nearest neighbourhood, new investments and so on. Some of are subdided from EU funds. Abuses happens but this is a general problem of all EU countries.

Head up! This decission is good fol all Bulgarians not only for polititians who currently held a power...

[Rune_X2]

Here's a late welcome to Bulgaria and Romania.

[perdurabo]

from my own expirience -i worked with PHARE CBC and Interreg funds in Euroregion- corruption is lowering with EU standards - of course i know what goes on regional level in town and viliges it is possible that on national level members of parliment, ministry workers etc will be stealing and cheating as usuall. Don't expect fast reforms, and changes you will see them in 10 years or even more.