Argyll sends his regards

[farmgirl]

Hi all....
Just chatted with Argyll via MSN for about 5 minutes. He didn't have much time, but he wanted me to let you know that he's still doing fine.
He's been in contact with some of our other friends who are in sandbox. They haven't had a chance to get together yet.... things are a little busy, but they are hoping to do so sometime soon.
Things are still shaky, but he's staying safe. :D
He promises pictures soon, and tells me that he'll be back in the UK around May 1st. Then he'll head back out.... not sure when.

That's all I have for now.

[Salty Dog]

good thing, he's okay

[Herrmannek]

I never thought that first official militaryphotos barbeque will be orginised in Iraq woot

[farmgirl]

I never thought that first official militaryphotos barbeque will be orginised in Iraq woot


:D.... we can't have that! Then I won't be able to come.... and who would be hostess???? ;)

[Trigger]

We could always throw a skirt on RussianAmerican... :D

[Herrmannek]

I never thought that first official militaryphotos barbeque will be orginised in Iraq woot


:D.... we can't have that! Then I won't be able to come.... and who would be hostess???? ;)

I'm sure they can orginise some nice arabian speaking hosteses in matter of seconds using only their persuading skills and personal "charm" :)

[Dennis G]

whats Argyll doing (job, serving with who) in Iraq?

[HELEX]

He is an evil Merc. :lol:

[fdt]

He is an evil Merc. :lol:Wild Goose sounds better...

[Ian H]

Glad to hear he's doing OK. Any other prominent members out there?

[Argyll]

He is an evil Merc. :lol:


I was not employed to engage in open hostilities with the enemy,I am here to provide clients the same protection Bremner gets....no fancy **** from us........but If I have to drop a threat I can and will.....and you can take that to the bank!


Some of you guys need to lay off this Merc ****e coz that's what it is!
Cadet numpty..........you have no clue as to the role of a CP/PSD team so I'd keep these opinions to yourself..........bottom line is that "contractors" are very much needed here,every Westerner is a political pawn with the insurgents,all they are doing is their job,trying to administer this country,and I along with the thousands of other contractors are providing them some degree of protection.
The US Army alone does not have the manpower to provide this service,so how about keeping your mouth closed until you actually know ****!!!

[DeltaWhisky58]

Argyll - take care now pal, haste ye back.

[TALOS]

Possible to get some details on things there argyll? :D , nothing hush hush, just a little look into the day in the life kinna idea ;)

[Argyll]

OPSEC buddy...................can't say too much............it's foking hot tho!!

[Herrmannek]

OPSEC buddy...................can't say too much............it's foking hot tho!!
At least photo of your breakfast and AK :)

[HELEX]

And one of your sunburned Nose where the Skin falls off.... :lol:

[TALOS]

OPSEC buddy...................can't say too much............it's foking hot tho!!
:( ok, I understand, be safe tho eh!

[EvanL]

Good on ya mate.
I hope you are doing well and look forward to seeing u back on the boards more often, from the comfort of a safe place.
cheers

[California Joe]

Just talked to him. Says his kilt is itchy and farmgirl is still hot. He has funny hair. Can't show you the pic though cause someone named Paddy is in it.

Carrion.

[obd]

seems Argyl likes to fancy himself a mercenary. Oh well, if thats his angle to the ladies than so be it.........I suppose it does sound a bit more badass that PMC hehehe.....but there is a diff between a mercenary and someone who provide securiy.......Of course, argyl is over there and Im not so....I guess his word trumps mine........It all depends on your motives I guess. For example, if you were to go to the company representative of Blackwater or such then he would tell you flat out that he does not provide mercenaries but he provides people "security personel" as is said in thier mission statement..... I suppose the line is rather blurry but I do see the distinction and I believe its usefull. "Mrcenary" is quite the loaded term these days and has negative conotations, especially after the fiascos in Africa with companies like Sandline and Executive Outcomes..........Again, I guess wether you label yourself a mercenary outfit or a security service depends on what you wish to imply and how you wish to present yourself.... Argyl clearly likes the mercenary mystique........... but according to international law, and wether or not Argyl likes it, he is not considered a mercenary at all..... So Argyl can tell me Im a moron and I havnt been there all he likes but according to international law he is NOT A MERCENARY...... Good luck by the way Argyl. Hope you come home in one piece man, well maybe minus a finger or two so it takes you longer to tell me Im a moron heheh..... Just kidden man. For real, wish you the best of luck and a safe return......and have some fun over there too while your at it....oh and take some pics for us all hehe.....over and out........

[Trident-za]

What the hell are you going on about, obd?

Argyll, hope you doing OK there mate.

[California Joe]

You're an odd little man obd.

[obd]

hehe, well coming from you California Joe, thats the best compliment I'v had all week. heheh.

Oh, and Im not little by the way......

And remmember, I did wish Argyl good luck and I never called him a moron. I wish our "arguments" to remain as civil as possible.....

I repeat: As much as Argly would like to fancy himself a mercenary, according to international law he is not. You see, when he told me his word trumped mine because he was actually there I decided to go find something that trumped his word and thats international law. It provides a clear defintition of a mercenary and unless Argyl is being secretly paid to fight and kill on the side of the coalition than he aint it!!! Technically, it would be illegal for the United States to hire mercenaries to wage war for it.....which is odd that it gives acception to "Foreign Legions" but hey..what can you do? hehe Oh but he did say he was there strictly for protection to help people who needed security.... Thus he aint no merc.........sorry buds. But I feel for Argyl. He must need a lady real real bad...........

[Fox2]

He never called himself a mercenary, man. He said the exact opposite. Jesus, read a little, will ya?

We support your work over there, Argyll. Get back safe now, ya hear? :D

[Trigger]

obd wrote:

seems Argyl likes to fancy himself a mercenary. Oh well, if thats his angle to the ladies than so be it.........I suppose it does sound a bit more badass that PMC hehehe.....but there is a diff between a mercenary and someone who provide securiy.......Of course, argyl is over there and Im not so....I guess his word trumps mine...
1. You could at least spell his name right. :roll:
2. Yes, his word will always trump yours because he has credibility. He's been there and done that, which must just gnaw at your jealous little soul.
3. I bet you've just been waiting and waiting, all the while doing the 'I gotta pee' dance for your chance to spout off about mercenaries and PMCs and how much you know about either. Well you've had your 'piss', now zip up and take off.

Can we get a show of hands?
Who is f**king sick of obd and his childish babbling.
*raises hand*

[obd]

Oh and by the way: When and if I go to the Sudan to help fight the Arabs raiding Chrisitan and anamist villages I will not be a merc either heheh. I will be a volunteer freedom fighter trying to protect those poor people currently being slaughtered wholesale by radical Arab militia in a land grab........ Odd that yet again, the United Nations is impitant to stop the genocide.... Fortunately, I am not......I wish more people were aware of this slaughter... It is akin to the slaughter of Rwanda but it is kept nice and quite by the Muslum government in Khartoum.........Anybody want more info on how to get over there and help feel free to ask...... Im not talking about you have to fight, humanitarian work is needed on a wide scale to prevent famine..........every little bit helps, even if all you do is spread the truth about whats going on over there..........Until the UN gets involved I will be over there doing what I can....I plan to leave after graduation for a visit to get boots on the ground and see for real what its really like....then make a final decision on what I will do....wish me luck.

[obd]

Well Trigger, I hate to break it to you but international code of law trumps both you and Argyl.......sorry man.....

[FRO]

Argyll: Stay safe and let's hope that the greatest danger you face is the danger of the steam that pours out of your ears as you read all the innane, insane babbling on these boards.

God speed.

[obd]

Oh and Fox, actually if you had bothered to read other posts, Argyl very much claims he is a mercenary (In short he argues that a PMC, which is what he is, is the same as a mercenary).......Argyl and I had a bit of a chat about it in fact.....If YOU actually bothered to read, you will notice that in Argyls very first post on this thread he states "some of you need to lay off this merc **** because thats exactly what it is"..... so again, why dont YOU read a bit more carefully.....

[Trigger]

I have no idea what you're babbling about obd, but I think you've reached the end of your little rope.

Your continued veiled insults at Argyll and general snotty/elitist attitude have left a bad taste in the forums since you joined.

Why not start bettering the world by not coming back here and generating so much hate.

This is a genuine invitation for you to leave on your own before I start complaining to the mods to disable your account.

[shrek]

Hey, OBD, if your going to be this "international freedom fighting man of mystery" then that means that you "don't" fall under the Geneva convention. Which means when we bump into each other in a dusty Wadi late one night and I relieve you of that mush filled grape of yours no one can b..ch about it. Right, when I'm right I'm right.

You Keyboard Killer You!!

Trump that A$$monkey

[obd]

what the hell is your problem trigger. I simply stated that under international law Argyl is not a merc..... IF you want to be an asshole and snuff out anyone with a ficking opinion counter to your own than go ahead and whine like a little baby to the mods. Whining seems to be what you do best anyway......But I find it odd that you mention my supposed "veiled insults" to argyl while you and he both state very clear and open insults to me!! Dont by a hypocrite man........

First off disagreing with someone is not an insult... Calling them a moron, such as you call me, IS...... I said very clearly I wish Argyl the best yet I disagree with him and the rest of what I said was very clearly in a joking and non serious manner...

So yet again Trigger, if you wish to whine and complain about me than go right ahead....I have backed up my argument with international law and my disagreement with Argyl is nothing personal towards him at all in fact..... As I have said many times, I try to make the best effort possible to disagree with the something presented if I disagree with it and not attakc the person... I fail sometimes but I think if you were to ask Argyl he would tell you that I am not personally attacking him. I have absolutely no grudge against him... whats funny Trigger is that you seem to have a grudge against me and you seem to call me names on virtually every thread I post!!!!!!! Again, dont be such a hypocrite!!!

I also find it odd that you call me an elitist when your the one running around threatening to have people booted for saying things you disagree with: The VERY deifnition of a snobby eilitist.......funny.

[shrek]

mer·ce·nar·y ( P ) ****unciation Key (mûrs-nr)
adj.
Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
Hired for service in a foreign army.

n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies
One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
A professional soldier hired for service in a foreign army

[obd]

haha Shrek, nice. Go ahead and threaten me now....I beleive some people actually did get booted for saying stuff like that.. I wont complain to the mods because Im not that type of person but just for your sake, I would edit that.....it is a thinly veiled threat afterall

[obd]

Very good Shrek, now go one step further and take a look at international law which gives a bit moire specific defintion on the term mercenary and also very clearly makes the distinction between a merc and a security personel....... I suggest you put in more effort than websters online dictionary.....

[jones]

He must now be chuffed to bits to know that Celtic have won the SPL for the third time in 4 years.

[obd]

uh, to the above comment: ???

[shrek]

Ahh obd my boy! Threats, no! We’re talking about war, international law, mercenaries and how and where we would meet. Did I say I would track you down at home, nope, I’m not a murderer, I’m a soldier. Therefore, if you wish to go on and on about how if it comes to that, you will be the “freedom fighter”, then I will go on and on about how many of you “freedom fighters” I have already faced. It’s sort of the “you can’t be first, but you can be next” type of thing. Funny how all of these so-called freedom fighters were always big talking, oppressive b..tards that no one missed. Much like yourself my friend, leave and you would not be missed!!

Oh, and the Webster's dictionary post, that was for all those that have jobs and real lives and don't have the time to sit around and study and rant about international law blah blah blah. Mercenary used to be a fairly benign definition which has gone through a metamorphosis of sorts into an ugly word. Sort of like the word “ain’t”, it didn’t exist at one time, now it’s in the dictionary. Sort of like you, you didn’t exist here at one time, ain’t it a shame that you do now!!

[FuturePara]

I think when he said "Stop with this merc ****e, that's what it is." He was saying calling people like him a merc is ****, not that his job is that of a merc... :bash:

[He219]

How can you call men with guns and military uniforms - civilians? They called - mercsNope. There is international definition of mercenary and those guys don't fit under it.


1. A mercenary is any person who:

(a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an
armed conflict;

(b) Is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the
desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party
to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that
promised or paid to combatants of similar rank and functions in the armed
forces of that party;

(c) Is neither a national of a party to the conflict nor a resident of
territory controlled by a party to the conflict;

(d) Is not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict; and

(e) Has not been sent by a State which is not a party to the conflict on
official duty as a member of its armed forces.

2. A mercenary is also any person who, in any other situation:

(a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad for the purpose of
participating in a concerted act of violence aimed at:

(i) Overthrowing a Government or otherwise undermining the
constitutional order of a State; or

(ii) Undermining the territorial integrity of a State;

(b) Is motivated to take part therein essentially by the desire for
significant private gain and is prompted by the promise or payment of material
compensation;

(c) Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such
an act is directed;

(d) Has not been sent by a State on official duty; and

(e) Is not a member of the armed forces of the State on whose territory
the act is undertaken.

Any questions?
p-)

[oldsoak]

Never mind all that
- Argyll, you just get back to blighty in one piece fella. Good luck and be careful.

[obd]

wow Shrek. Very nice response. Now you come up with the excuse that you dont have time... Well Im not embarrassed to say that I made the time to inform myself and I found the reading very interesting.......I dont blame you then if you are too "busy" to look up aspects of international law and are satisfied with a five second visit to Websters online so dont blame me if I value the information enough to look it up and spend a good bit reading it......

The odd thing is that I seem to get attacked for not backing myself up and then when I do, I get attacked by people like you who seem to look down on me for taking the time to back up what Im saying. Kind of a "damned if I do, damned if I dont" situation.... Oh well, Im still glad I could inform you and take it one step beyond Websters online dictionary.....

Oh, and Im not really an "oppresive bastard" as you call me.... In actuality, 99% of the fights I have been in were to protect the little guys or in response to somebody starting a fight with me......

So no, Im not an oppressor........I value standing up for those who cant stand up fo themselves....kinda why I want to go to the Sudan and help those poor Christians and animists who are being slaughtered for their land and because they arnt Muslum.....

[He219]

Be safe, Argyll.


All the best!
p-)

[obd]

actually Para, Argly and I have had exchanges of ideas in other forums and he has said to me that he considers PMC's mercenaries... So unless he has changed his mind I take his " People need to stop giving me **** about merc because thats what we are" quote as meaning that he fancies himself a merc..........

[obd]

Wow, thank you He 219, Its nice to have the support of a moderator. At least if a mod agrees with me in some small way, I guess that means people like Trigger cant have me booted just because I disagree with him and am willing to say it!!!!!!!!

[Trident-za]

I think when he said "Stop with this merc ****e, that's what it is." He was saying calling people like him a merc is ****, not that his job is that of a merc... :bash:

That's how I read it too - I seriously doubt that Argyll see's himself as a "merc".

[Trigger]

OK obd, I'll break it down one time for you:

obd wrote:

seems Argyl likes to fancy himself a mercenary. Oh well, if thats his angle to the ladies than so be it...
insult

obd wrote:

"Mrcenary" is quite the loaded term these days and has negative conotations, especially after the fiascos in Africa with companies like Sandline and Executive Outcomes...Argyl clearly likes the mercenary mystique.
veiled insult

obd wrote:

Hope you come home in one piece man, well maybe minus a finger or two so it takes you longer to tell me Im a moron heheh..... Just kidden man.
WTF?? 'Just kidden' [sic] MY F**KING ASS!

obd wrote:

I also find it odd that you call me an elitist when your the one running around threatening to have people booted
You find it odd because you have no perception of reality. I didn't threaten anything. I said I would follow the new procedures that the mods have set up for problem children like yourself.

[TALOS]

cant we all just get along and wish Argyll the best, and hope he gets really good pics and at least after his posting will give us details ;) , Just had to add that Argyll!

[shrek]

No obd, no one is attacking you for backing yourself up, they are attacking you because you're attacking their (our) friend. I need no excuses and make none. If you stay on the intellectual level I believe that most here would as well. However, you’ve shown time and time again that you are incapable of this and continually strive to incite the kind of response that I believe you live for. Kick these people, and much like myself, they’ll kick back. Most of them cannot compete with you in a word war, so, they go to the highest common denominator that they can muster and they insult you. You act surprised and angered. BS, you’re waiting on it, if you can’t get it you’ll just continue to push until you do.

I know you’re type, I can picture you, and I do not believe that you have ever fought for the little guy. The only person obd would fight for is obd.


Yes, you’re right TALOS, I’ll take one on the chin for that one. Argyl, you f..king….. walk through the fire and don’t get burned baby!!

[memphiz]

Hey Argyll stay safe man, we need you to whip out the 'Ban Stick' and beat people to a pulp with it ;) , i dont care about all the mercenary crap everyones talking about, all i care about is that your doing something you believe in and your doing a great job.

Keep on...uhm..trucking..uhm yeah woot

GO ARGYLL

-Rob

[Haiw]

This threads makes me confused. Still...stay safe Argyll. :)

[Ratamacue]

Keep ye arse doon, laddy. p-)

[mocking_loudly_died]

Send me back a tank......no one will notice.

[Fintin]

in that case ill take one too...maybe a few firearms....

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yeah my local pawn shop offers a nice batch of cash for dem platinum AK thingz.

[MVSpartan117]

Good to hear from you!!! :D

Stay safe!

[xjym2002]

Be safe, Argyll.

Don't be confused with this thread, obd won't forget nothing, either Argyll or Flagg:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11477&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=16
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12501

[hood]

Glad to to see you're safe in the land of the rising sunburn there Argyll. It's always fun to see the ip addresses that are used to post here from you guys over there. Bouncing off all sorts of random communications relays. :) I remember when I used to work for an ISP a while back that was trying to break into the China net space, that there was so much makeshift communications methods employed to get network connectivity to the far reaches of the planet. Effortless satellite pinpointing from the ground these days is a glorious thing.

[Uninen]

There was in todays pics (19.4.2004.. which i cant no longer find... the whole topic..) a picture of Blackwater USA:s helicopter patrolling Baghdad, armed to the teeth....

Very much like the Deltas would have been flying around with the AH/MH-6:s

(the helicopter was of the same basic model "Hughes" [Boeing builds em today..] MD500....)

..........................

[Fintin]

i dont know, but if i had to go into some country that had well a few armys hanging out i would be armed to the teeth too, no mater what

[Uninen]

Yeah,

Me too.. but the point was, THEY WERE THERE IN A HELICOPTER ENFORCING THE "LAW AND ORDER" IN SKIES ABOVE BAGHDAD.... from a thing that was actually a airborne snipers platform...

IE seeking for trouble / trouble makers and taking a active part to the "fighting", or at least hard trying to.

[Fintin]

yeah if i was in a war torn country and had a gun...i would be hunting down the rabble rousers too....sea land or air...you shoot at someone i remotely like ill shoot back

[hood]

Well, there's also other uses for such things such as recon. If they know their asset is going to be traveling through a certain city area, they're going to have eyes in the air to see if there's impending doom.

[Uninen]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040417/capt.sge.hyu30.170404181442.photo00.default-380x259.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040417/capt.sge.hyu30.170404181442.photo01.default-380x254.jpg

Members of the US private security company Blackwater patrol over Baghdad aboard a Hughes 500 helicopter. Private security firms are now the third largest international contributor of forces to the war effort in Iraq (news - web sites) -- after the U.S. and British troops.(AFP/Patrickq Baz)

^ Mercenaries. ^ :petting:

[Fintin]

how bout this....you set up a face to face meeting with TP or Arg and say that to them and see what you think after they prove you wrong....those guys arnt mercs....mercs fight for whoever pays the most...they gaurd people and things....no differnt really then the security gaurd at the mall or the fat guy hiding britny spears....so shut up

[Red]

Guys dont reply to Uninen's post.It is tantamount to feeding a huge ugly troll.Let him argue with himself.He does not know that he and his opinions dont matter in the grand scheme of things.mofo

[Uninen]

Fintin,

READ! (Link!) (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/05/ma_365_01.html)

But if you cant understand what your seeing in there, then i cant help you.


As the U.S. military wages the war on terrorism, it is increasingly relying on for-profit companies like Blackwater to do work normally performed by soldiers.


In recent months, private military companies have also played a key role in preparing for a war with Iraq.


They provide armed guards at a U.S. Army base in Qatar, and they use live ammunition to train soldiers at Camp Doha in Kuwait,


They also maintain an array of weapons systems vital to an invasion of Iraq, including the B-2 bomber, F-117 stealth fighter, Apache helicopter, KC-10 refueling tanker, U-2 reconnaissance plane, and the unmanned Global Hawk reconnaissance unit.


private contractors successfully pressured the government to lift a ban on American companies providing military assistance to Equatorial Guinea, a West African nation accused of brutal human-rights violations.


Because they operate with little oversight, using contractors also enables the military to skirt troop limits imposed by Congress and to carry out clandestine operations without committing U.S. troops or attracting public attention. "Private military corporations become a way to distance themselves and create what we used to call ?plausible deniability,"


Pentagon officials say they rely on firms like Halliburton because the private sector works faster and cheaper than the military.


In 2001, an Alabama-based firm called Aviation Development Corp. that provided reconnaissance for the CIA in South America misidentified an errant plane as possibly belonging to cocaine traffickers. Based on the company's information, the Peruvian air force shot down the aircraft, killing a U.S. missionary and her seven-month-old daughter. Afterward, when members of Congress tried to investigate, the State Department and the CIA refused to provide any information, citing privacy concerns. "We can't talk about it," administration officials told Congress, according to a source familiar with the incident. "It's a private entity. Call the company."


The United States has a history of dispatching private military companies to handle the dirtiest foreign assignments. The Pentagon quietly hired for-profit firms to train Vietnamese troops before America officially entered the war, and the CIA secretly used private companies to transport weapons to the Nicaraguan contras during the 1980s after Congress had cut off aid. But as the Bush administration replaces record numbers of soldiers with contractors, it creates more opportunities for private firms to carry out clandestine operations banned by Congress or unpopular with the public. "We can see some merit in using an outside contractor," Charles Snyder, deputy assistant secretary of state for African affairs, recently told reporters, "because then we're not using U.S. uniforms and bodies."


Troops already rely on for-profit contractors to maintain 28 percent of all weapons systems, and the Bush administration wants to increase that figure to 50 percent.


As the U.S. military wages the war on terrorism, it is increasingly relying on for-profit companies like Blackwater to do work normally performed by soldiers. Defense contractors now do more than simply build airplanes -- they maintain those planes on the battlefield and even fly them in some of the world's most troubled conflict zones. Private military companies supply bodyguards for the president of Afghanistan, construct detention camps to hold suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, and pilot armed reconnaissance planes and helicopter gunships to eradicate coca crops in Colombia. They operate the intelligence and communications systems at the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado, which is responsible for coordinating a response to any attack on the United States. And licensed by the State Department, they are contracting with foreign governments, training soldiers and reorganizing militaries in Nigeria, Bulgaria, Taiwan, and Equatorial Guinea.

:roll:

[Fintin]

i really like ping pong....dont mess

[TriggerPuller]

Glad to see that nothing much has changed here! Some people just really dont have a fvcking clue but want to just stirr the pot cause they have pitiful little lives and havent gotten off their asses and ever done something to help their country just whine and complain like little bitches that they are!! Dont reply and they will just have to listen to themselves. I got to think about survivng everyday either as a bodyguard or teaching CQB tactics to foreign personell on their soil, so I wont waste my energy on these POS anymore! But I will comment on pertinent forums if someone asks a genuine non flame baiting question! Later

TP

[Uninen]

It is not my intention to flame, just showing the facts...... to which many of you seem to be ignorant and even you TP are basicly saying in that post of yours that none of the contractors arent mercenaries..... well thats not simply true.

Cause from all that i can see and hear IE this "Blackwater USA" doesnt differ from South African / UK:s EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES in anyways......

And EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES sure the hell was basicly a mercenary "army".

But whatever, its not like your gonna admit it nor that any of those that actually just dont know are going to belive me, so what do i care.

*EDIT*

Link! (http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/executive_outcomes.htm)


Executive Outcomes

Executive Outcomes, the now defunct mercenary firm based in Pretoria, South Africa, that was manned mostly by former members of the South African Defense Force, proved to be a decisive factor in the outcome of some civil wars in Africa. Involved in forcing rebels to the negotiating table in Sierra Leone and more well-known for contributing to the Angolan government's success in forcing UNITA to accept the Lusaka Protocol in 1994, Executive Outcomes reportedly had a web of influence in Uganda, Botswana, Zambia, Ethiopia, Namibia, Lesotho and South Africa.

Even though the firm's expertise lay in fighting bush wars, it diversified and reportedly operated as many as 32 companies, whose interests range from computer software to adult education. The firm's tactic of quickly regaining control of a client country's mineral-rich regions is well-documented. Within a month of Sierra Leone's hiring of Executive Outcomes in May 1995, government forces had regained control of the diamond-rich Kono district, which produces two-thirds of Sierra Leone's diamonds. In Angola, oil- and diamond-producing regions were the first areas secured by government forces trained by Executive Outcomes. The firm also reportedly mined gold in Uganda, drilled boreholes in Ethiopia and had a variety of interests in the other countries noted above.

Executive Outcomes claimed that its sole purpose was to bring stability to the region by supporting legitimate governments in their defense against armed rebels. Nevertheless, rumors persisted that the firm was connected to either the South African DeBeers Diamond Corporation or the South African government. These claims were denied by all parties, and the South African government tried to restrict Executive Outcomes' business ventures.

The intermixing of paramilitary and commercial ventures made it difficult to determine the number of mercenaries involved in various countries. Most reports indicated there were between 150 and 200 in Sierra Leone, while reports from Angola varied, indicating between 500 and 4,000 members in that country.

:P

[Uninen]

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fmsopubs/issues/merc.htm

:roll:

Even American military source labels EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES as "mercenary"....... and again many of "contractors" arent any different from this "corporation".

[Red]

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fmsopubs/issues/merc.htm

:roll:

Even American military source labels EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES as "mercenary"....... and again many of "contractors" arent any different from this "corporation".
Don't you get the message that others have been trying to pass of to you - SHUT THE FOKK UP

[hood]

Sure, because executive outcomes carried out offensive operations against rebel groups. I'm not sure how you can put defensive asset protection in the same group as offensive military operations.

[Uninen]

benibo,

I know your message.... just dont get that where the hell are you all comming from, cause the smart people that you are, you must know that im telling what is true..... and TP actually has personal experiences about it, his living it... yet he trys to BS me, and at the same time lying to himself.

and Hood,

To begin with any Americans and other foreigners as of now in Iraq are involved in offensive operations, hell they took over the whole nation.....

and also, did you miss the part of certain "contractors" doing "clandestine operations"..... in my experience operations like that usually arent static or defensive, as isnt the Blackwater helicopter functioning as sniper platform over Baghdad...

[Ratamacue]

Uninen, I pray to God that you never breed.

[hood]

Are you paying attention to what you're writing? According to what you just said, private contractors took over Iraq. I must have missed that in all the coverage on tv during the war. As for the helo doing sniper cover, you, nor I, have any clue what those guys are doing. They could be posing for the camera 10 feet above the ground, doing the "Close Protection Men of 2004" pin-up calendar for all we know. What the people on this forum are taking offense to, is your taking of some vague articles, and applying stereotypes to certain contractors. All we see are close-up pictures of these guys, taken very much out of context, and articles about contractors that ultimately give very little away about what they're really doing. Saying that you "know" what they're involved with isn't being honest to yourself and others.

[Fintin]

never forget hood is just a funky way of spelling god

[obd]

hmm well I hate to say it but Im forced to admit that Uninen has a point.. While it would be unfair to lump all PMC's into the category of mercenary forces those who are actually doing offensive actions against resistance targets at the behest of the American provisional authority would have to be classified as mercenary...... This is not to say Argyl is a mercenary. On the contrary according to his posts, he claims he is involved in protective detail and nothing else (although he also claims that its mercenary work but of course I disagree and say there is a distinction between defensive security work and waging war for money).

I did not actually know that some PMC's were actually engaged in offensive operations at the orders of military authority...as Uninen suggests. I was aware they took some " offensive defensive measures" when things went to hell last week but that was of thier own volition.............interesting developement indeed if it is true. I hope it is not true...........

[mustamato]

havent gotten off their asses and ever done something to help their country just whine and complain like little bitches that they are!!

Actually I´m studying at the moment, hopefully that means that I will be a asset
to my country in some way in the future. But of course, yes studying means
that I must keep my ass on the chair quite a lot. I guess that you are more a
man of practical things rather than theoretical TP, so what have I done for my
country lately? Well you tell me, I don´t think Blackwater would want me as a
guard anyway.


I got to think about survivng everyday either as a bodyguard or teaching CQB tactics to foreign personell on their soil

Just curious, were the Iraqis you met grateful?

[Uninen]

Hood,

No i didnt say that "contractors" took the Iraq over, The Americans did, US Army and Marines to be more specific.... with assistance from US-SF....


They also maintain an array of weapons systems vital to an invasion of Iraq, including the B-2 bomber, F-117 stealth fighter, Apache helicopter, KC-10 refueling tanker, U-2 reconnaissance plane, and the unmanned Global Hawk reconnaissance unit.


They provide armed guards at a U.S. Army base in Qatar, and they use live ammunition to train soldiers at Camp Doha in Kuwait,


In recent months, private military companies have also played a key role in preparing for a war with Iraq.


Troops already rely on for-profit contractors to maintain 28 percent of all weapons systems, and the Bush administration wants to increase that figure to 50 percent.

:roll:

But as you can see they certain hepled ALOT before and during the invasion........ they made it possible.

Maintaining some of your most important weapon systems and aircrafts.

and also actually being responssible for security at US Army base.....

[obd]

Also I agree with hood.... Hold on, I must go wash that poop smell of my nose now......ok done. Hood makes sense...... Those guys may look like Delta and may even be former SEALS or Delta for all we know but...That helo mayb be up on "sniper duty" for defensive reasons only...Who knows... Dont just assume things.............

I dont know if Uninens asseritons are true that PMC's are taking offensive warlike actions against militia at orders from the prov. authority but if so than that would be a very bad developement in my view....... I have no problem at all with PMC's taking actions they deem necesarry to defend themselves of thier own volition but when they get so entangled with the military things get grey real quick.....

That is exactly why the military has been slow to respond to PMC's under attack.... Because. they dont want to muddy the waters between the two forces and thier duties.....which I think is smart......

[Flagg]

Glad to see that nothing much has changed here! Some people just really dont have a fvcking clue but want to just stirr the pot cause they have pitiful little lives and havent gotten off their asses and ever done something to help their country just whine and complain like little bitches that they are!! Dont reply and they will just have to listen to themselves. I got to think about survivng everyday either as a bodyguard or teaching CQB tactics to foreign personell on their soil, so I wont waste my energy on these POS anymore! But I will comment on pertinent forums if someone asks a genuine non flame baiting question! Later

TP

TP and/or Argyll:

I'd be keen to learn about the important stuff over there:

Like, how's the chow?

Is there ANY beer there?

If so, do you even have enough downtime to enjoy the odd beer before you're back on?

To Shrek or any other forum member who's been over:

What's the deal with the sand fly lechmiosis? Is it really a big problem?



I see obd has once again tactfully farted all over a good thread

[Royal]

Glad to see that nothing much has changed here! Some people just really dont have a fvcking clue but want to just stirr the pot cause they have pitiful little lives and havent gotten off their asses and ever done something to help their country just whine and complain like little bitches that they are!! Dont reply and they will just have to listen to themselves. I got to think about survivng everyday either as a bodyguard or teaching CQB tactics to foreign personell on their soil, so I wont waste my energy on these POS anymore! But I will comment on pertinent forums if someone asks a genuine non flame baiting question! Later

TP

TP and/or Argyll:

I'd be keen to learn about the important stuff over there:

Like, how's the chow?

Is there ANY beer there?

If so, do you even have enough downtime to enjoy the odd beer before you're back on?

To Shrek or any other forum member who's been over:

What's the deal with the sand fly lechmiosis? Is it really a big problem?



I see obd has once again tactfully farted all over a good thread

Food is generally excellent (although Brit food tends to be better than US -would say that wouldn't I - and avoid the Ukranian, unless you like that sort of thing).

Beer is a no go in the US area (unless you know where to go ;) ) and restricted in the UK area (some units are dry - CO's perogative).

Down time depends on what you're doing ;)

I take it you mean sandfly ecchymosis? It's hardly the biggest environmental worry - especially if you use DEET and maintain good personal hygeine. I'd be far more worried about the mortar rounds or camel spiders (depending on where I was)...

[Flagg]

leishmaniasis was what I was looking for....my mistake

Here's a link to what I'm referring to:

http://www.napanews.com/templates/index.cfm?template=story_full&id=2D5373C7-98D3-4082-8487-C87744AB25F3

On exercises here I've come out of the field with over 100 sandfly bites on my hands after just one week( and that's with fingerless gloves...trust me, I counted! ).

I endeavored to avoid bites as best as possible by doing everything I could to minimize the problem(appropriate dress, covering up, heaps of repellant, and zipped up tight at night), but when patrolling or otherwise in a tactical environment you can't help but let the little vampires do their dirty work.

I guess my question is, with an insect-carried parasite capable of attriting your unit, do you sacrifice your tactical performance in order to maintain the health of the unit, or is the risk of teammates catching it the "cost of doing business"?

[oldsoak]

Lo Flagg, total aside here - First time I went deer hunting in South Westland, I came out looking like a leper despite covering myself from head to foot in Rid. Dont know if you've tried Bushman, but it seems the only stuff to stay on when walking up and down those hills after deer all day. Just my 2 cents.
rgds

[Royal]

The only time I've ever had it was in Florida ;) Aloe Vera worked then (but that was before they'd become running sores).


But with enemy bullets flying, the first concern of most soldiers was not slathering on bug spray every morning.

Shows either the ignorance of the officer quoted, or poor personal admin on behalf of the troops involved. Regular application of insect repellant is just as much a part of good routine as application of sunscreen, hydration or maintenance and cleaning of weapons (to name but a few things).

I'm not aware of it being a problem where I've been. The big camps are sprayed with OP pesticides on a regular basis. Out in the ulu it's down to good personal admin again.

[Beowulf]

Lo Flagg, total aside here - First time I went deer hunting in South Westland, I came out looking like a leper despite covering myself from head to foot in Rid. Dont know if you've tried Bushman, but it seems the only stuff to stay on when walking up and down those hills after deer all day. Just my 2 cents.
rgds

Rid is good but you should also try "clothes"tm

[shrek]

To Flagg:

We didn't have the "Heisshlkdsfasdfasdf-itis" over there. We didin't even have snad fleas. We had regular animal fleas in every friggin' building we tried to sleep in.

We did have something we called the "RECCE death virus"! When you got there you might as well lick the toilet seat because you were GONNA get it. And oh man did it suck. WE also had the RECCE death virus waddle. The sh.tt.r was a long way from our hole!!!

[Flagg]

To Flagg:

We didn't have the "Heisshlkdsfasdfasdf-itis" over there. We didin't even have snad fleas. We had regular animal fleas in every friggin' building we tried to sleep in.

We did have something we called the "RECCE death virus"! When you got there you might as well lick the toilet seat because you were GONNA get it. And oh man did it suck. WE also had the RECCE death virus waddle. The sh.tt.r was a long way from our hole!!!


hahahaha

I was going to ask if anyone got "Baghdad Bum", now I know

It sounds quite funny(from here), but it doesn't sound fun.... ;)

especially if you're low on "macho roll"

[Argyll]

seems Argyl likes to fancy himself a mercenary. Oh well, if thats his angle to the ladies than so be it.........I suppose it does sound a bit more badass that PMC hehehe.....but there is a diff between a mercenary and someone who provide securiy.......Of course, argyl is over there and Im not so....I guess his word trumps mine........It all depends on your motives I guess. For example, if you were to go to the company representative of Blackwater or such then he would tell you flat out that he does not provide mercenaries but he provides people "security personel" as is said in thier mission statement..... I suppose the line is rather blurry but I do see the distinction and I believe its usefull. "Mrcenary" is quite the loaded term these days and has negative conotations, especially after the fiascos in Africa with companies like Sandline and Executive Outcomes..........Again, I guess wether you label yourself a mercenary outfit or a security service depends on what you wish to imply and how you wish to present yourself.... Argyl clearly likes the mercenary mystique........... but according to international law, and wether or not Argyl likes it, he is not considered a mercenary at all..... So Argyl can tell me Im a moron and I havnt been there all he likes but according to international law he is NOT A MERCENARY...... Good luck by the way Argyl. Hope you come home in one piece man, well maybe minus a finger or two so it takes you longer to tell me Im a moron heheh..... Just kidden man. For real, wish you the best of luck and a safe return......and have some fun over there too while your at it....oh and take some pics for us all hehe.....over and out........


Youre foking right my word trumps yours ya ****ebag I'm over here protecting your foking countries assets,MORON is an understatement,I have NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A MERC,and I would not fight some other wankers wars,I do security,there is a huge difference,I have the bottle and the expertise to do this,you have neither,you know nothing of my background,and never will,I tell people enough,and no more ,what a prick you've made yourself out to be!!
Get your chicken **** ass over here and prove me wrong,otherwise do not talk about stuff you clearly have no foking idea about,it is you who is the fantasist........nobody else,by reading your books and talking ****e,you may know the theoretical stuff ,but when it comes to practical.your ass is out the water!.
I do the same stuff as Trigger Puller,I'd love to see youcall him a merc you stupid little **** :fork:

[Argyll]

I think when he said "Stop with this merc ****e, that's what it is." He was saying calling people like him a merc is ****, not that his job is that of a merc... :bash:




Give this man a cigar!!

and it was aimed at HELEX and Mustamoto

[Ghostwolf]

Give this man a cigar!!

and it was aimed at HELEX and Mustamoto

The exploding cigars? :D

[Argyll]

Lets get one thing straight and correct here,I do not remember ever calling PMC's mercenaries,I also have stated that when they were so called by others,I stated That I had friends doing security in Iraq and did not consider themselves Mercenaries,OBD is categorically wrong,and misinformed
There was a post about Scott Helveston,where OBD used the description mercenaries and PMC's In the same context,IIRC stated that to use the wording he did was double standards,and wrong,it was him not I who used the terms Foreign mercenaries working for the USA,there are NO FOREIGN Mercenaries or PMC's carrying out frontline operations within Iraq.
What they have done is protected their base,and their clients,and their countrymen and Allies in places like Najaf and Nasiriyah,it was either kill or be killed,and I have explained all this before.
There are many different contractors of different nationalities,gues why?
That's correct because not everyone in Iraq that needs security is American,Many news networks from different countries the world over prefer to have their Nationals provide security for them for the simple reason.........Language,would a Czec nes team/diplomat want a Scotsman provide CP/PSD?......No he's want a fellow countryman,so that when the **** hits the fan,he knows what the guy is telling him.

OBD may try to twist some stuff I have written,but I think the vast majority of you all knew my views on PMCs especially having mates in country working for them,that I have never considered them anything other than security operators.
Again I have stated since being here that I was providing security,I also told people publically I was going to do security,so where this deadbeat gets off by saying I fancy myself as a bad ass merc is beyond me.
I find it insulting to say the least,sounds more like to me,that he's a little jealous,in that I can do this stuff,and back up all my claims,whereas he's an armchair warrior who plays with **** when Fox news comes on.
I'm an honest person,with no time for ****ters,you can all believe OBD if you want,or you can take the words of the security guys out here doing the **** on the ground.......
Oh and PMC is just a Politically correct term for "Security Firms",such as Blackwater,Olive,ArmourGroup,and Kroll,they all provide the same services..................but then again,I guess you all knew that eh OBD?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Hi Argyll hope they are treating you well and giving you nice scran, getting the fitba I hope, weather is ****e over hear.

[Trigger]

Argyll, TP, Tane: Don't worry about douchebags like obd. We've got your back over here and we know who has credibility.

[obd]

haha, hey Argyl. IF you were to go back to other threads, you and I had an arument over whether or nor PMC's were mercs.. You called me a moron because I said PMC's were not mercs.... My my you have a bad memory..... I think someone posted a link to that thread on one of the pages of this thread.... Look it up and be refreshed hehehehehhe......Either way, its nice to see you have forgotten our previous argument, now are denying it, and somehow magically agree with me...........its just odd that before now, you were calling me a moron for taking the EXACT position you seem to claim.....Hold on, I will find the link.....

[shrek]

And the idiot babbles on.........

[obd]

hehe, well Argyl, I guess technically you never caim out and said "PMC's are mercs". Instead you just responded to me saying "PMC's are not classified as mercs" by saying "hey, Im over there, your an idiot, you dont know what your talking about"....... I guess I confused your disdain for me with your disagreement with me.... I guess even if I say something you agree with you will say "obd your wrong and your a moron". I will keep this in mind from now on Argyl and I wont take your comments like "obd your a foking idiot" to mean that what I said was actually wrong, instead I will just chuckle and wish you the best in Iraq mate... But your practice is nice, I call it "plausable deniability".

By the way ,"camel spider" sounds like a big nasty mean spider...Are those things deadly or do they just give you a nasty bite? Personally the "brown recluse" spider is the worst where I live.. One bite can kill you in a few hours and even if you live you will be scarred for life...... The toxin basically erodes your flesh. Victims look similar to survivers of the flseh eating virus.......Anyway, one of my buddies, A Sherrif, took a bite on the foot while on duty... He didnt know what it was at the time so he stayted on duty until he passed out from the pain.....Only when they evac'd him to hospital did they find out... He was VERY lucky...Only the area around his foot was damaged.........Anyway, let me know about the camel spider......If its up there with mortars on the "I should be worried about....." List than it must be a nasty sucker.

[shrek]

And on and on and on.......

[Fox2]

http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/story/images/chap05_energizer_bunny.jpg

[Trigger]

Oh what the hell....completely off topic but...
More bull**** from the master bull****ter:
obd wrote:

Personally the "brown recluse" spider is the worst where I live(La-La Land).. One bite can kill you in a few hours and even if you live you will be scarred for life...

A simple Google search says obd is full of it:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2061.html

The bite of the brown recluse spider can result in a painful, deep wound that takes a long time to heal. Fatalities are extremely rare, but bites are most dangerous to young children, the elderly, and those in poor physical condition.

Wow obd, your credibility is just soaring. :roll:

[shrek]

HA



rofl

[HELEX]

Wow obd, your credibility is just soaring.

You dont know how old he is.... :roll:

[shrek]

Hey HELEX

What?

[cut]

Wow obd, your credibility is just soaring.

You dont know how old he is.... :roll:

13?

[Abolith]

the info on the Brown Recluse isn't completely correct. I live in So. Cal and we have BR's here. I had to get a exterminator to spray my house cause they were all over the friggin place. course I haven't seen one since but still...

and for you obd here is some info on the Camel spider:

Camel Spiders

Camel spiders are one of the fastest running arthropods. Although they have four pairs of legs, they run using only three pairs. The first pair of legs or pedipalpi are held up in front of them and used in a similar manner to the antennae of insects. They have very long, silky setae and are constantly moving in order to locate and pick-up prey. Despite their fearsome appearance and their strong bite, solifugids are unlikely to harm humans. In the past they were considered venomous and extremely dangerous but it is now thought that the only risk of injury resulting from them is caused by shock or infection following a bite. There is no evidence of venom in any part of their body.

Camel spiders are nocturnal predators of other arthropods including scorpions and are voracious feeders. Some species kill and feed on lizards and it is speculated that others kill mice and birds. They rely solely on their speed and stealth to catch their prey. In desert areas they are often attracted to lights at night in search of food and their appearance can cause alarm if they enter tents. It is rare to see them during the winter months and they are thought to hide or hibernate during cold periods.

[MKtexan]

Hey Argyll, hope you are alright over there. Stay safe.

[TALOS]

the info on the Brown Recluse isn't completely correct. I live in So. Cal and we have BR's here. I had to get a exterminator to spray my house cause they were all over the friggin place. course I haven't seen one since but still...

and for you obd here is some info on the Camel spider:

Camel Spiders

Camel spiders are one of the fastest running arthropods. Although they have four pairs of legs, they run using only three pairs. The first pair of legs or pedipalpi are held up in front of them and used in a similar manner to the antennae of insects. They have very long, silky setae and are constantly moving in order to locate and pick-up prey. Despite their fearsome appearance and their strong bite, solifugids are unlikely to harm humans. In the past they were considered venomous and extremely dangerous but it is now thought that the only risk of injury resulting from them is caused by shock or infection following a bite. There is no evidence of venom in any part of their body.

Camel spiders are nocturnal predators of other arthropods including scorpions and are voracious feeders. Some species kill and feed on lizards and it is speculated that others kill mice and birds. They rely solely on their speed and stealth to catch their prey. In desert areas they are often attracted to lights at night in search of food and their appearance can cause alarm if they enter tents. It is rare to see them during the winter months and they are thought to hide or hibernate during cold periods.

check this link out, the legends about it arent true but its still mean
http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/camelspider.asp
there is also a video in one of the links.

[Abolith]

I know that I wouldn't want to crawl into a nice comfy sleeping bag with one of those guys waiting to bite me! May not be venomous, but I bet it has one hell of a bite, just look at those teeth (or what looks like teeth)!

[Haiw]

Argyll, TP, Tane: Don't worry about douchebags like obd. We've got your back over here and we know who has credibility.
Yup...please... Argyll, don't go wasting precious time on the people that escaped when someone left the idiots cage open.

[obd]

Hey Trigger, I read the link about the BR spider you gave out. So what exactly did I say that was wrong then?? Are you saying the BR isnt found in North Carolina? (because it is) Are you saying that when I said thier bites can leave horrible scars I was wrong?(because thay can) Are you saying that it cant kill you? (because it can). Two people in the last 5 years have died in NC from reactions to bites from the BR spider. As I said, and as it also talks about in the link you gave, horrible scars can be left, though rarely, after a bight from necrosis due to the venom...... Also, it fails to mention that in some cases people have a strong reaction to the venom and die from alergic reactions and othe complications..... This was told to me by a doctor when I visited my bud at UNC hospital after his bite. Some are also affected for life with odd symptoms after a bite.....

Oh and if you dont believe me that BR spiders are found in NC, as the habitat range on that little map in the link did not include NC, then I suggest you give University of North Carolina (UNC) hospital a call and ask them how many BR bite cases they have recieved in the last 5 years!!!!!!!

As the article said "the bite can result in a painful and very deep wound". I have seen with my VERY OWN EYES what the aftermath of a BR bite can look like... My freind got bit on the foot by one. His scar looks exactly like he had flesh eating virus.....his flesh basically died off around the would and left a bad scar...

So Trigger, what the hell are you going on about my cred. going down? What I said was true.... The BR spider is a damn dangerous spider...I know because my buddy was bit by one and passed out.... His scars were less extensive than some but still deep......

Trigger STFU.....

Oh and thanx to TALOS for that info on the Camel Spider... Very interesting.... I know I woudnt be too happy if one of those things crawled into mny sleeping bag.....hehe

[Haiw]

So Trigger, what the hell are you going on about my cred. going down? What I said was true....
Okay...you're right there. You never had any credibility. :roll:

[Trigger]

obd, you rile easily. rofl

OK, I won't feed the troll anymore on this thread.

[StarvingStudent47]

Oh what the hell....completely off topic but...
More bull**** from the master bull****ter:
obd wrote:

Personally the "brown recluse" spider is the worst where I live(La-La Land).. One bite can kill you in a few hours and even if you live you will be scarred for life...

A simple Google search says obd is full of it:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2061.html

The bite of the brown recluse spider can result in a painful, deep wound that takes a long time to heal. Fatalities are extremely rare, but bites are most dangerous to young children, the elderly, and those in poor physical condition.

Wow obd, your credibility is just soaring. :roll:

Brown recluse spider bites cause necrosis of the tissue immediately around the bite area (as opposed to, say, black widow bites which just try to kill the whole organism at once). While it won't kill you in a couple hours (that's some wicked nasty trap door spider from Australia), if you don't receive proper treatment, the wounds can very easily become gangrenous or otherwise infected. And THAT is what will kill you.

And yes, you will be scarred for life from a brown recluse bite, even if you do receive medical treatment. You lose a hefty chunk of flesh around the bite mark.

[Trigger]

SS47: I know about that stuff. I was an exterminator.

I was just rattling his cage because this:

One bite can kill you in a few hours and even if you live you will be scarred for life...

made it sound like something out of 'Arachnophobia'.

Funny, he still didn't realize what I was talking about...

-T

[TALOS]

Oh what the hell....completely off topic but...
More bull**** from the master bull****ter:
obd wrote:

Personally the "brown recluse" spider is the worst where I live(La-La Land).. One bite can kill you in a few hours and even if you live you will be scarred for life...

A simple Google search says obd is full of it:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2061.html

The bite of the brown recluse spider can result in a painful, deep wound that takes a long time to heal. Fatalities are extremely rare, but bites are most dangerous to young children, the elderly, and those in poor physical condition.

Wow obd, your credibility is just soaring. :roll:

Brown recluse spider bites cause necrosis of the tissue immediately around the bite area (as opposed to, say, black widow bites which just try to kill the whole organism at once). While it won't kill you in a couple hours (that's some wicked nasty trap door spider from Australia), if you don't receive proper treatment, the wounds can very easily become gangrenous or otherwise infected. And THAT is what will kill you.

And yes, you will be scarred for life from a brown recluse bite, even if you do receive medical treatment. You lose a hefty chunk of flesh around the bite mark.
But interestingly enough Black widow bites dont always kill either. When we took the kids to bug zoo in Victoria and they said that it causes alot of pain but rarely actually kills you.

[obd]

Actually Trigger what I was tallking about was how it can kill you due to allergic reaction in a few hours... and the odd thing about BR venom is that for some reason more people than expected have allergic reactions to BR spiders and do die.... Also for some reason a few biten people have recurrent symptoms for life..... Those are two things scientists cant as of yet explain.... Funny how you didnt pick that up. I should be more clear..

[FuturePara]

Only here can a thread dedicated to wishing one of the moderators stay safe warp into an arguement over spider bites...
:cantbeli:

[Trigger]

Only here can a thread dedicated to wishing one of the moderators stay safe warp into an arguement over spider bites...
:cantbeli:

Yes, sadly that's what happens when a guy like obd has to have the last word, and has to be right about the insults he tosses about. He has to! He has to! He has to!!! p-)

[Argyll]

Oh how stupid you looked.....didn't you!
lets get this back on topic and no more of this spider ****!

[Fintin]

you doing ok arg...im looking for a summer job...got any open spaces over there?...i can cook, drive, and fart....good to know your still ticking....stay safe....keep up the good work...

[Haiw]

Oh how stupid you looked.....didn't you!
lets get this back on topic and no more of this spider ****!
Yeah! Let's stop talking about spiders and get back on topic: bashing obd! :D

[shrek]

Lose any weight yet Argyl. I hear it's about 2200 degrees out there right now. Keep your foking head down and arse in one piece!

[obd]

Ok Argyl back to the topic. I have a question for you: What sort of gear are you carrying about? Can you give any initial impressions of how its all holding up in Iraq? I assume your using some sort of Ar-15 variant but anyway, what sort of firearms are you lugging about with you?

[Haiw]

Some sort of AR-15 variant? Wrong again! :P

[Whisper_44]

I believe he posted in a previous thread that he is in fact carrying and Short AK47 & a Glock....

Oh yeah and Argyll, do what Shrek said X2 your skillz are missed stateside


shrek wrote:

Keep your foking head down and arse in one piece!

[Uninen]

Some sort of AR-15 variant? Wrong again! :P

Wasnt he talking about having "short 7.62mm:s" and "9mm:s"?

IE AK/AKM? And a pistol......

[obd]

Haiw, I was just taking a guess you retard

Anyway, thats interesting that he is using an ak variant... By far most PMC's are using Ar-15 variants but I have also seen some Italians with Ar70/90's, some Germans with Swiss Stg series rifles and carbines, and some Americans/British with AKMS and all manner of other variants..... Interestingly, I did see a pic of one PMC with an Iraqi Tabuk variant of the AK47.......

[HELEX]

Question, do PMCs buy their Weapons on the local free market or do they get them from the US Authoritys in any way?

[Haiw]

Haiw, I was just taking a guess you retard

Anyway, thats interesting that he is using an ak variant... By far most PMC's are using Ar-15 variants but I have also seen some Italians with Ar70/90's, some Germans with Swiss Stg series rifles and carbines, and some Americans/British with AKMS and all manner of other variants..... Interestingly, I did see a pic of one PMC with an Iraqi Tabuk variant of the AK47.......
First I was just saying your guess was totally off you mentally challenged child.

Second, have you seen a statistic breakdown of the weapons used by PMCs? No? Then why do you say that by far most PMCs are using AR-15 variants.

Uninen, I believe he said a shorty AK and a Glock. He also said the amount of ammo but I can't remember. Just dig it up if you really want to know.

[Milkman]

Haiw, I was just taking a guess you retard

Anyway, thats interesting that he is using an ak variant... By far most PMC's are using Ar-15 variants but I have also seen some Italians with Ar70/90's, some Germans with Swiss Stg series rifles and carbines, and some Americans/British with AKMS and all manner of other variants..... Interestingly, I did see a pic of one PMC with an Iraqi Tabuk variant of the AK47.......
AK47 = easy to find ammo, easy to take care of, kills stuff good. Besides if it break all you have to do is pick up one off your local street corner. If I was over there I would love to get a hand on a RPK or PKM, although they might be a bit impractical for a PMC to carry around.

[shooter0311]

could be a Bushmaster Shorty AK. (AR15 Variant -7.62x39 - M4 config.)
D@mn nice wpn. I love mine p-) Argyll, I'm new here(lurker for awile)
Stay safe and keep up the good work.

Semper Fi
Shooter

[cqbrdy]

:cantbeli: obd sounds like a guy over at ghostrecon.net
who only liked to reply to threads to start an argument
and had no clue what they were talking about, about any of it
no matter what the topic was about.

It seems that jealousy is everywhere,
and so is the ignorant :cantbeli: .

Keep up the good work ck,
once i get off this FP Mission
i hope to meet you over there and
put aside a shorty ak for me too!!!!!

and shrek have u ever painted your face green
around the hodgies?

[Argyll]

Haiw, I was just taking a guess you retard

Anyway, thats interesting that he is using an ak variant... By far most PMC's are using Ar-15 variants but I have also seen some Italians with Ar70/90's, some Germans with Swiss Stg series rifles and carbines, and some Americans/British with AKMS and all manner of other variants..... Interestingly, I did see a pic of one PMC with an Iraqi Tabuk variant of the AK47.......

Not so mate,most US CP/PSD's have the M4's,the rest have either MP5's or AK's,some Iraqi and Jordanian variants,plenty of Glocks and Sigs on the go too.
Dress code is Beige,Body armour over a shirt,with an Ops vest(5.11)on top of that.
No Gucci stuff for us either.
I seen plenty of guys wearing Strike Gear webbing too,but they had too much **** hanging off their weapons for PSD work,there is no need for Surefire's or Laser illuminators and ACOGs,a clean M4 is way better,lighter too,as it has less to catch when exiting a vehicle fast!

[cqbrdy]

tell me about it ck,
trying to get in and out of these stupid trucks
wearing the old overall straps
with that shiznit hanging off my belt,
Plus lugging around that 16, just plain sux.
I dont know why they trik out their rifles like that,
u only need flashlights at night
acogs on a m4 style is only good for target id
and whatever is going to happen wont be that far away
from you at the time.
I would however go with a reddot on a flattop m4 style,
with a comffy tac sling.
How is that 5.11 gear?
i was interested in getting some.
also its funny how youre now dressed like the .chrs
i wanted you to make me, huh :D .
good luck ck, remember target accusition.
move shoot communicate

i forgot........
whats the style of glocks and sigs they got there?
p226, g17, 9mm, .40? is it issued or personal?

[obd]

Well, by "Ar-15 variant" I was including carbine versions Argyl.....but thanks for the info. And for Haiw: have you seen a breakdown of the weapons? No you foking **** because there isnt one....But I have seen reports from hmm lets see Soldier of Fortune (whose very own editor is acutaully a PMC in Iraq and gives them stories) who personally saw a wide variety of guns used by PMC's (and even one Armani suit hehe) such as Beretta Ar70/90, Stg series, he said a few G-36 variants, some Mp-5's, Ak-47, but vast majority was Ar-15/M16 variants of some kind.

He stated that he didnt see very many Mp-5's because many PMC's he spoke with felt it was "too little gun" for Iraq duty...... Some still did carry them however, for obvious reasons...

So Haiw, why dont you at least waite until I actually say something stupid instead of attacking me and everything I say because you dislike me... IT really is a bit childish....

Either way, I based what I said on about 5,0000 pics I have collected on PMC's in Iraq, including some from this forum.. I find the variety of equipment used by different PMC's fascinating.... You dont even find this degree of personal choice in units like Delta and it interests me to find out what people are using......thats all Haiw..... Oh and by the way, in my 5,000 pics nearly all of them are carrying some sort of M16/Ar variant....So why dont you just STFU Haiw.... I know you dislike me and frankly I really dont give a Fok. Its only anoying when you act like a baby and feel you have to show every post I make......

[obd]

Haiw. in this case you are stuping below my level mate..... You dont see me bashing people for asking questions that others are also clearly interested in do you? Nope. You need to lay off the caffiene and speed brother.....

[obd]

Oh and Argyl, Really mate, thanx for the info... So it sounds like some of the PMC's you seen have the "dhiny kit syndrome" where they hang everything off thier M4's hehe........ I ounce read an Army report from A-stan off of FAS.org that said some operators were even having problems with barrels bending under the weight during rapid fire drills......interesting indeed.....

By the way, are you opting, or do you have acces to anyway, a free floating barrel handguard? What sort of Ar-15/m16 variant are you carrying (16" barrel??) and I suppose from what you said yours is rather "clean"? (no bits attached)?? Are you using scope or iron? Mag cinch? What sort of stock? etc....

Also, are you keeping some sort of daily or weekly diary? Like a shorthand version so you can type up a longer one later?? I know many who do that...... Its a good way to preserve memories... If you are, I mean if you have time, maybe you could start posting it weekly or something?? I think it would be great for us stuck at home and wanting info on the life of a PMC......... You know "Argly Journal #1, Argyl Journal #2. etc etc etc.... I dont know if you like this idea, and Haiw will probably call me a "stupid babling mentally challenged baby" for even typing the first letter of this post, but I was just wondering...no harm in asking right?

[Trigger]

obd wrote:

By the way, are you opting, or do you have acces to anyway, a free floating barrel handguard? What sort of Ar-15/m16 variant are you carrying (16" barrel??)

Argyll has already stated that he is carrying a short AK and a Glock. :cantbeli:

[California Joe]

Argyll = ck=Calvin Klein.

Pretty motherf*cker.

[cqbrdy]

obd,
it seems that u are taking this way to seriously,
dont get so upset if alot of people question you
its basicly how u react to this thread
that people dont like you and dont want you here.
just state your opinon and say i agree to disagree
thats all m8.
personally id like to see these 5,000 pics you have
of civi protection guys, could u pm me some?

ck btw,
i found out what my parent unit is doing there,
theyre doing mp stuff.

[Gordon]

Either way, I based what I said on about 5,0000 pics I have collected on PMC's in Iraq, including some from this forum

Well, why don't you post some of them here then. It is after all militaryphotos.net (apparently), so why don't you share some of these pics with us.

[obd]

Im actually going to hehe.... I was planning to post them all as my first picture post on this forum...... I was debating posting eitheer PMC's or some pics I have from my uncles days in Vietnam which I got after he died......The problem with those is I need to find a scanner I can use. I have never posted pics before and I dont exactly know how... Oh well, I wil give it a shot in the next few days. It cant be that hard...hehe

[California Joe]

We'll wait with baited breath there Giggles.

[Haiw]

Bla bla bla I was ripping on you for A never reading and still asking stupid questions, and B drawing conclusions you have no credibility to draw (and they were proved wrong later...).

And I'm really starting to doubt your reading skills.

Oh BTW you got one thing right; I've started to dislike you as of late. :D

[cqbrdy]

@haiw,
i think he got the point ;)
you beat that dead horse enough.

ck heres a question i have for you
lets say your in a compound and are awakend by 7 armed men
whos beating a guard senseless.
these 7 armed men breached the compond walls and are now inside beating this guard.
Would you:
A. grab your gun, then decide to leave it and go hand to hand with these guys taking on a few of them.
B. grab your gun and fire off a few rounds letting them know theyre in a world of hurt
C. shoot them untill they run away or give up?
its a heated topic over at gr.net very heated.

[Argyll]

Drop the lot of them............no questions.
Armed men inside the green zone,who are NOT ICDG/Police have no authority carrying weapons,plus they'd have to be pretty fokin stoopid as we live next door to the secrets,and on the other side the're is a large military compound. ;)

[ibstolidude]

@haiw,
i think he got the point ;)
you beat that dead horse enough.

ck heres a question i have for you
lets say your in a compound and are awakend by 7 armed men
whos beating a guard senseless.
these 7 armed men breached the compond walls and are now inside beating this guard.
Would you:
A. grab your gun, then decide to leave it and go hand to hand with these guys taking on a few of them.
B. grab your gun and fire off a few rounds letting them know theyre in a world of hurt
C. shoot them untill they run away or give up?
its a heated topic over at gr.net very heated.
If I have a compound and 7 armed men scaled my wall, sneak past my defense forces and are man handling my guard, they are not on a socia visit,likel, kill all of them. How can there be a debate??? Fire all warning shots center mass. If any choose to toss the weapon and lay down before they are shot, then they live, I would not waste any initiative by yelling to them or calling their surrender (they are seven, I am but one)
I must protect my own as I would expect them to protect me, my guards (it appears you mean locals) must trust me and I them. One should not be in the habit of allowing people to wander into your "safe haven", besides the obvious letting them escape creates confidence in the aggessors ability to attack you, reflects your weakness.
hasty secure/cover the living and dead - consolidate organize defenses (are they but 7 or many?) - treat friendlies - search/tend to/aid/properly secure living & dead aggressors.
Find out why there was a failure in the base defense.

[cqbrdy]

thanx m8,
my thoughts xactly and heres the post over @gr.net
http://www.ghostrecon.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17874

[California Joe]

"This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine..."

[cqbrdy]

whats its name?

[ibstolidude]

whats its name?
for CJ - it's "woody"

[Jack Mehoff]

What is the maximum age to work as PMCs again? :|

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8141/dad.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8141/teamsters_boss.jpg

[cqbrdy]

:cantbeli: what kind of name is woody :cantbeli: ??????????????

[MaDuce]

What is the maximum age to work as PMCs again? :|

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8141/dad.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8141/teamsters_boss.jpg
They are Delta

[cqbrdy]

thats a pic in front of the oldfolks home delta reunion 1967 rofl

[memphiz]

What is the maximum age to work as PMCs again? :|

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8141/dad.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8141/teamsters_boss.jpg
Your dads in Iraq Jack?

[mocking_loudly_died]

A couple of old dudes there.

[Jack Mehoff]

What is the maximum age to work as PMCs again? :|

image

image
Your dads in Iraq Jack?


No, i stole these pics from another forum.

[memphiz]

What is the maximum age to work as PMCs again? :|

image

image
Your dads in Iraq Jack?


No, i stole these pics from another forum.
ok I just thought that because the " My dad> J00 " writen in there.

[Argyll]

You'd be surprised at the "age" of some of the operators here,and the *** too........ ;)

[memphiz]

You'd be surprised at the "age" of some of the operators here,and the *** too........ ;)
eewww old people having ***....eeeewww











p-)

[Milkman]

:roll:

[TALOS]

You'd be surprised at the "age" of some of the operators here,and the *** too........ ;)
eewww old people having ***....eeeewww











p-) rofl p-)

[cqbrdy]

hey ck,
have you seen any looting over there from the coalition
specificly US troops?