Ranger School

[crazyman]

Just curious, if anyone on this forum has actually BEEN TO ranger school, mind sharing some input with me? im headed there after obc, before i report to ft bragg for my 1st duty assignment. thanks in advance

[Beowulf]

Ask "uncle sam's pissed"

[Michael RVR]

pfft, rangers :P

[Johnnyringo]

haha... don't start that! He just wants some info.

[crazyman]

luckily for me, FAOBC has a pre-ranger program. havent been able to find consitent info on what is actually I this program, but i do know it works. FA officers have the 2nd highest graduation rate from ranger, behind inf officers. who knows...this time next year i'll let y'all know how it went

[MSG Dman]

Earned Tab in Class 12-89.

Ranger school OPFOR Platoon Sergeant.

Ranger Instructor at Benning Phase.

[Mechanical Ambush]

Its best you don't know, Just do it! woot

[Whisper]

Served in 1st/75th from 2000-2002, started the fight in Afghan with the Rangers, best unit in the Army, RLTW!

[Dennis G]

Could someone that just graduated from Ranger school but has never served on the reg. could they do the same missions as Rangers or is their a some type of continuation training for the soldiers that want to be on the regiment? After Ranger school even if you get your tab is their a possibility that you will not not serve with the regiment, even if you want to?

[MSG Dman]

The vast majority of people who earn a Ranger Tab do not go on to serve in the 75th. This unit has incredibly high standards, and are selective about who they accept. It is not for every Ranger graduate. The majority go on to serve in Infantry units around the Army and are very good leaders, having learned a great deal from their experience in Ranger School that they apply to other situations.

[Dmitri]

If no one minds me speaking, Regiment doesn't select from the graduates of the ranger school, they send their own people after some time in the 75th. A lot of people in the school are officers, and soldiers from other units in the leadership positions and SOF people trying to get some excellent training.

[ibstolidude]

I suggest everyone direct your questions to: army cadet_ngcsu
after all:


How many cadets do you know of that train with Army Rangers at Camp Merrill and who have military advisors who are former Delta Force and Green Berets???

However the non-prior service cadet wants to make clear:

Talk to me if you've got a ****load of tabs on your arm

Just remember to refer to army cadet_ngcsu as the "Triple Canopy Cadet"

[Dennis G]

now could a person that just in an infantry unit do as much (spec-ops stuff) as say a two year vet Ranger in the 75th. I think the regiment must keep the high-speed stuff up when the other guy goes back to the infantry.

[MSG Dman]

A Ranger in an Infantry unit couldnt do any Spec Ops stuff. They do not train on it at all, nor do they have the assets or equipment. The 75th is an all volunteer unit. Infantry units contain dirt bags who are in the process of getting kicked out of the Army. It is impossible to train them to the same standard as the 75th. Infantry units train on conventional stuff straight out of FM 7-8. My Infantry platoon of 34 grunts had at least 10 guys who I was trying to boot out.

[NcDeuce]

Question: Does anyone think the Army is eventually going to add another battalion to the 75th Ranger Regiment?


now could a person that just in an infantry unit do as much (spec-ops stuff) as say a two year vet Ranger in the 75th

You train on your specific unit's tactics. If you're in the 82nd, you'll be jumping...if you're in the 101st, you'll be conducting air assaults...if you're in the 3rd, you'll be riding those Bradleys...etc.

[Dennis G]

yeah thats what I thought thanks guys

[Whisper]

I would say the only possibl exception might be a LRSD unit. There are a few special operations units within infantry units, but they consist generally of men who served in a SFG, Ranger Battalion, or similar units. Basically as you may have gotten from the MSG's posts, a units operations stick to what they train on. Most units are focused on certain types of missions, roles, or operations. It would be possible for them to form special teams within the unit, and they often do. However getting the equipment and gear to train on special missions/roles can be almost impossible.

[ibstolidude]

I would say the only possibl exception might be a LRSD unit. There are a few special operations units within infantry units, but they consist generally of men who served in a SFG, Ranger Battalion, or similar units. Basically as you may have gotten from the MSG's posts, a units operations stick to what they train on. Most units are focused on certain types of missions, roles, or operations. It would be possible for them to form special teams within the unit, and they often do. However getting the equipment and gear to train on special missions/roles can be almost impossible.
Most combat arms units have their own specialized mission forces such as LRSU/LRSD, Bde Recon, MP - SRT, etc - they are not however SOF - even those that have the chance to attend Ranger School, or other such schools often associated by outsiders with SOF. It isn't any ding on those well trained motivated soldiers that serve in those units, it is just that facts.

[Uncle Sam]

I would say the only possibl exception might be a LRSD unit. There are a few special operations units within infantry units, but they consist generally of men who served in a SFG, Ranger Battalion, or similar units. Basically as you may have gotten from the MSG's posts, a units operations stick to what they train on. Most units are focused on certain types of missions, roles, or operations. It would be possible for them to form special teams within the unit, and they often do. However getting the equipment and gear to train on special missions/roles can be almost impossible.

I have to disagree. I was going to go LRSD in the 82nd, and I never served in a Ranger Batt. I went through Ranger school, but that was it.

[Whisper]

Uncle Sam you misread my post. I wasn't saying LRSD units are generally made up of ex-rangers or SF guys. I was saying the special operations teams within infantry units "generally" are. Also ibstolidude, there are special operations teams/units within the infantry. I think a lot of people get the phrase Special Operations confused with Rangers, SF, and SEAL type operations. The military uses that phrase for many units that train outside of normal mission parameters. Hell even when they captured ol' Saddam, they stated a special operations team from the 4th division found him. Special operations is a rather broad term that a whole lot of special teams, and unit fall under.

[NcDeuce]

special operations teams within infantry units

?

There is only one U.S. Special Operations Command...and these are its only components...

http://www.socom.mil/images/usasoc.jpg

http://www.socom.mil/images/nswc.jpg

http://www.socom.mil/images/afsoc.jpg

http://www.socom.mil/images/jsoc.jpg

http://www.socom.mil/images/jsou.jpg

[MSG Dman]

Let me say this again. There are NO Special Ops teams within Infantry units. A LRSD unit is simply a recon element for Division or Corp level. They are not Special Ops. There are never Special Ops units within Infantry Units in the US Army.

I am speaking from experience. I have been in both Light Infantry, and Special Ops units. Take my word on this.

Yes there are specialized units that work with Infantry. Scout platoons, Pathfinder detachments, and LRS units are examples, but none can even remotely be considered Special Ops. This is not a dig on these fine units, just a statement of fact.

[shrek]

I have seen this subject discussed here so many times and I’m gonna put in my two cents here. Yes, above are listed the only sections that truly fall under the SPEC OP command structure. However, within many other sections of the military are small units that do “specialized missions” not generic to their main unit. Since the word “mission” is not used nearly as much as it used to be and has been instead replaced by the more popular “operation”, these smaller units are then commonly referred to as “special operations” units. I was in a special operations unit that fell under the actual command and I really had no problem referring to my Ranger buddies as Special Operators. Now, if you get a Ranger on here to start picking at me I will tell him to take his infantry a$$ home where it belongs. But, my heart knows that yes, they are “special operations teams”. Clear as mud,no?

[MSG Dman]

I can agree with what Shrek added. If we want to use the termanology that within Infantry units there are sometimes teams which do specialized missions, I think it is a good solid explanation. But we cannot continue to use the phrase Special Operations units within Infantry battalions. That just is not accurate.

In my Infantry battalion at Ft Drum, I was the scout Platoon Sergeant. We had 3 sniper teams that would conduct sniper operations. By Shreks definition, they are conducting special missions within the framework of an infantry battalion. He is right on. But remember they were straight up 11 Bang Bangs, and in no way associated, or called Special Operations.

I think if you combine what both Shrek and I have said, it should clear up the confusion.

[Uncle Sam]

Whisper: Read ya Lima Charlie, out

Special units within the Infantry do specialized missions ie. LRSD, LRSU, Scout etc...

Are they considered "Special Operators"? Dam skippy. Maybe they can be called "Special Missions Units" from now on...That's copywrited by the way...Each time you say it you owe me some push-ups... :lol:


Now, if you get a Ranger on here to start picking at me I will tell him to take his infantry a$$ home where it belongs.

Pick, pick, pick, pick and pick... :P

[ibstolidude]

Uncle Sam you misread my post. I wasn't saying LRSD units are generally made up of ex-rangers or SF guys. I was saying the special operations teams within infantry units "generally" are. Also ibstolidude, there are special operations teams/units within the infantry. I think a lot of people get the phrase Special Operations confused with Rangers, SF, and SEAL type operations. The military uses that phrase for many units that train outside of normal mission parameters. Hell even when they captured ol' Saddam, they stated a special operations team from the 4th division found him. Special operations is a rather broad term that a whole lot of special teams, and unit fall under.
I can assure you there are not. In the US Military Special Operations Units are under Special Operations. And only SOF owns SOF - anything else = atttached. MEU's are often refered to Special Operations Capable - but for further detail I suggest you ask FR or TP or James - I am no Marine.

[Whisper]

I would like to point out Shrek just agreed with what I had said, and explained better what i was trying to say. To quote him ---
" However, within many other sections of the military are small units that do “specialized missions” not generic to their main unit. Since the word “mission” is not used nearly as much as it used to be and has been instead replaced by the more popular “operation”, these smaller units are then commonly referred to as “special operations” units."
I know the structure of units as well, as I said I served in the 75th as well other infantry units. So don't think i'm talking out of my a$$.

[ibstolidude]

they are Special Mission units.

No matter how many times people will call an apple a banana & no matter how many people call it banana; it is still an apple and will taste like an apple.

US Special Operations are not integral to standard conventional infantry or other units.

No matter how people choose to refer to those units that conduct special missions or have recieved specialized training they are NOT Special Operations Forces.

SOF forces include (specifically for the the Army) those units under USASOC. - and incidently the Ranger Reg is part of Special Operations Forces as compared to the highly trained, superbly versatile, well experienced, and equipped 1st Cav Bde Recon teams currenty depoyed to Iraq - guys that are snipers, pathfinders, AA, Airborne, Rangers and more scare badges than they likley can wear - they are a special mission unit that certainly can perform many of the roles that SOF are called upon to do, certianly many of these men could easily perform in a SOF unit - however they are not part of SOF -

It isn't an insult - those dudes are some bad, bad bubbas - with the best equipment and some of the best training performing everything from target interdiction to recon to CP type escorts for the Bde Cdrs. However regardless of their specialised mission performance they are not a memebr of SOF

Hell TriggerPuller and FR come from Force Recon in the Marines - there is no question it's members heritage and legacy speaks for itself. Their training is highly, highly regarded and prized. They are called upon to perform some of the toughest mission in the military. I would not desire to meet any of their ranks in any alley, much less a darkened one. Ask either of them if Force Recon is a part of SOF.

stating that a special missions unit is Special Operations, as MSG stated, is a misnomer. - call an apple a banana and it is still an apple - they are SMU's all they way to the NATO level.

Because you, and others may choose to call them special operations units does not make it so, the DOD recognizes only those units in the US Army designated by the Secretary of Defense and specifically organized, trained, and equipped to conduct and support special operations as Special Operations Forces, also called ARSOF/ARSOC (for the US Army).

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Beowulf]

I suggest everyone direct your questions to: army cadet_ngcsu
after all:


How many cadets do you know of that train with Army Rangers at Camp Merrill and who have military advisors who are former Delta Force and Green Berets???

However the non-prior service cadet wants to make clear:

Talk to me if you've got a ****load of tabs on your arm

Just remember to refer to army cadet_ngcsu as the "Triple Canopy Cadet"

hehe I love it!..you never stop....brutal.

[ibstolidude]

I suggest everyone direct your questions to: army cadet_ngcsu
after all:


How many cadets do you know of that train with Army Rangers at Camp Merrill and who have military advisors who are former Delta Force and Green Berets???

However the non-prior service cadet wants to make clear:

Talk to me if you've got a ****load of tabs on your arm

Just remember to refer to army cadet_ngcsu as the "Triple Canopy Cadet"

hehe I love it!..you never stop....brutal.
I have amended him to be called "the Triple Threat Cadet"

[California Joe]

But is it ironic?

[Uncle Sam]

I suggest everyone direct your questions to: army cadet_ngcsu
after all:


How many cadets do you know of that train with Army Rangers at Camp Merrill and who have military advisors who are former Delta Force and Green Berets???

However the non-prior service cadet wants to make clear:

Talk to me if you've got a ****load of tabs on your arm

Just remember to refer to army cadet_ngcsu as the "Triple Canopy Cadet"

hehe I love it!..you never stop....brutal.
I have amended him to be called "the Triple Threat Cadet"

So what's the deal behind this story?

[Beowulf]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12700&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=16

Read "Army cadet NGCSU"'s posts. That should catch you up.

[Uncle Sam]

My my my...I think CJ summed it up quite nicely...
"It's like an arrogance bomb went off in here. Unbelievable."

I've trained with some "cadets" at Bragg, they told us to salute the officers...ok! They were quite annoying.

[MSG Dman]

Just went back and read some of the cadets original posts. Hes hilarious! I couldnt help but do a search for the ROTC program he is in. This is a link to the cadre page, and includes the e-mail of CPT Duggan, somone may want to drop the guy an e-mail and bring him up to date about how badly one of his cadets is running his mouth.

http://ngcinfo.ngcsu.edu/Military/current/milstaff.htm

Enjoy!

[crazyman]

being annoying is what we do best. just glad i have precisely 64 days left as a cadet, most of them just me finishing off college....unfortunatly for us all cadets live through 4 years of college having "officership" forced down their throats. tends to build up a little bit of a superiority complex..or so ive seen anyways. no worries though, we're not all tore up from the floor up.

anyway back onto topic...of the couple of you whove actually been on down to benning for ranger...any advise? i got a good year to prep, including 19 weeks of pre-ranger at FAOBC this fall/winter, but you know how it is...once that carrot is in front of you, the urge is to start working now

[Uncle Sam]

He kinda reminds me of the character Tom Cruise (or was it Sean Penn)played in the movie Taps.

[Uncle Sam]

being annoying is what we do best. just glad i have precisely 64 days left as a cadet, most of them just me finishing off college....unfortunatly for us all cadets live through 4 years of college having "officership" forced down their throats. tends to build up a little bit of a superiority complex..or so ive seen anyways. no worries though, we're not all tore up from the floor up.

anyway back onto topic...of the couple of you whove actually been on down to benning for ranger...any advise? i got a good year to prep, including 19 weeks of pre-ranger at FAOBC this fall/winter, but you know how it is...once that carrot is in front of you, the urge is to start working now

Pre-Ranger = Good! Geting through Ranger school, You gotta want it...It all depends on you. And if your cocky and arrogant like army cadet_ngcsu, they will peer you out in a heart beat.

[shrek]

I would not go anywhere near Ranger school with anything resembling a shoulder chip, attitude unbecoming or otherwise. As Uncle Sam said, they will peer you out and can. Nothing would hurt worse than failing, except being thrown out by your own men.

p.s. I have never been to Ranger school, so I am merely speaking from conversations I have had with a few steely eyed teenagers that wanted nothing better than to kill......I better digress here ;-)

Rangers lead the way baby!!

I wish yall could see my imitation of Ranger "moving in" on Haji.

"Achmed, there they are, shoot!! Wait, they're shooting back, duck! Look achmed, they are closer now, what the fook. They're shooting again, duck. ohhly ****e, they are closer again. Run achmed run!"

It's a visual!

[SABER 2-3]

being annoying is what we do best. just glad i have precisely 64 days left as a cadet, most of them just me finishing off college....unfortunatly for us all cadets live through 4 years of college having "officership" forced down their throats. tends to build up a little bit of a superiority complex..or so ive seen anyways. no worries though, we're not all tore up from the floor up.

anyway back onto topic...of the couple of you whove actually been on down to benning for ranger...any advise? i got a good year to prep, including 19 weeks of pre-ranger at FAOBC this fall/winter, but you know how it is...once that carrot is in front of you, the urge is to start working now

Once you are actually slotted for the Ranger Course you will receive a course pam. that will have your required individual skills/tasks that your CO must sign you off on. 19 weeks of pre-ranger?!? You should be more than ready. I would have killed myself if my pre-ranger would have gone over 6 weeks. You don't need to practice food and sleep deprivation, they are not recommended in-service programs. Just get your basic Infantry skills down pat (LAND NAV. if your a FNG, butter-bar, ticket-puncher). And if and when you get there make sure you get a Batt-Baby or the like to stand next to you during pair up.

[crazyman]

the 19 weeks of pre-ranger is only before/after classes at OBC, not the whole time. and why does everyone assume 2Lts are so horrible at land nav...just kidding, ive seen how bad some of my peers are. actually I keep up on land nav on my own, via a course my rotc program setup in a state park here. ive every intention of doing the same thing at sill, either going to their land nav course and getting all the info on it, or setting up my own. from what ive heard, the pre-ranger at obc is mostly PT and individual skills for a few hours a day, and on weekends.

as far as wanting it? hey turn on the news, we all know where i'll be going within two years, and ranger could well keep me and my platoon alive. damned well better believe my irish ass will be paying attention

[shrek]

Best piece of advice I ever got from an old SF MSG. He said "you know, the land that they do land nav on is open to the public". Go there, walk it, memorize it. I backpacked in Dahlonega (sp?) Georgia before and after I was ever there officially!

[10thvet]

the best advice I can give you is that you need to read...read...read...and walk in the boots(3 pair) that you plan to go to Ranger school with, but not to the point where they will be wore out..
Read the Ranger Handbook and know the operation orders format, back and forward... Not only will this help you out, but it will help your Ranger buddies who are going to have a more difficult time..

What worked for me is that I walked alot without shoes on... NOT ROADMARCHING.. Just normal everyday around the house and outside. just walk around. It helped me toughen up my feet... I did not have a problem with blisters at all when I went... Class 9-91(and that was 72 days then).

Know the Ranger Creed before you show up, If an RI walks up to and asks you to recite the 5th stanza of the Ranger creed, show him that you know it, he will move on to easier pray

If you show up with a chip on your shoulder or with an "I know everything since I am an officer" you will be peered before you can memorize your roster number... Not accusing you of it, but I have seen it before and you will see those officers in your carreer..

the most important is to not let a set back kill you mentallly... There will be problems outside of your control..
move on and dont ever quit

[ibstolidude]

If you show up with a chip on your shoulder or with an "I know everything since I am an officer" you will be peered before you can memorize your roster number... - that is one of the best lines I have ever read.

[crazyman]

i know youre not accusing me of it, no worries. im well aware that I'm being commissioned a 2Lt, not a Field Marshall.

[Uncle Sam]

Well, it looks like we have guided you through the trials and tribulations of going to Ranger school, young Grasshopper...

You owe us, atleast...


...$20 each.

Beer money! :lol:

Good luck.

[10thvet]

not accusing anyone, but in my 20 years I have seen it all...
Lt's who are being prometed to General, LT's who are the PVT's BEST BUDS, LT's who are lazy and Stupid(there is a big differance) Lt's who are better that every enlisted SLIMEBALL, LT's who refuse to learn from anyone enlisted....
Stay around long enough and you too will see it all...

Now go have fun storming the castle :)

[crazyman]

tell ya what, any of you who can track me down once im setup at Bragg, i'll be more then happy to hit a few bars and buy a round or two. Just ask around divarty for a crazy irish 2Lt...by then everyone will know what that means

[Uncle Sam]

tell ya what, any of you who can track me down once im setup at Bragg, i'll be more then happy to hit a few bars and buy a round or two. Just ask around divarty for a crazy irish 2Lt...by then everyone will know what that means

I know my way around Ft. Bragg. ;)

[SABER 2-3]

tell ya what, any of you who can track me down once im setup at Bragg, i'll be more then happy to hit a few bars and buy a round or two. Just ask around divarty for a crazy irish 2Lt...by then everyone will know what that means


If you are going to be one of the "good" officers, you won't have any money left to buy us beers. You will have spent it all on your Plt. Sgt., 1SG and SGM for letting you serve in THEIR unit. Also, be smart enough to include your Squad Leaders and Fire Team Leaders in any "retribution" you give.

[justuser]

34125hope that´s not a repost
34126

[Blowin' Dros On 24s]

I heard people from other Nations have been to Ranger School. How does someone NOT in the US Army go to Ranger School? invitation?

[justuser]

yes, US Army offers other nations possibility to send certain amount of their soldiers to RS, almost in every class is couple of foreigners. It can be even more difficult for them, because some of them are not familiar with US equipment and weapons.