New Chinese amphibious vehicle

[dragon2w]

Does anybody have any info about this vehicle?


http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2811/01rz7.jpg

[Dark Avenger]

There was a thread on that one. See here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95802&highlight=chinese+amphibious

Wasn't there a short reference on it in the latest issue of "Hellenic Defense and Security" magazine?
As the author wrote there, it looks tailored to our Marines' requirements. I just imagine it in MERDC camo with IBD or Rafael EAAK applique armor being launched from the stern ramps of Samos class LSTs (Maybe not the FSV version, but the IFV one, preferably with a Kuka or BMP-3M turret) *sigh*

[arkley]

Maybe it is a track version of the 8X8 Terrex APC which was designed and built for Singapore by an Irish company. The Singaporean fail to market it and to recover the cost I am sure that the chinese bought the design from them.
It was supposed to be powered by caterpillar C9 engine.

[Dark Avenger]

If you look at the earlier thread, you'll see that the hull configuration does not match that of the Terrex.

[arkley]

It is definitely a modified terrex APC.
The original design for the terrex was also icluding the track version.
It is a lot lower than the wheel version.

Here some clear picture

[dragon2w]

There was a thread on that one. See here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95802&highlight=chinese+amphibious

Wasn't there a short reference on it in the latest issue of "Hellenic Defense and Security" magazine?
As the author wrote there, it looks tailored to our Marines' requirements. I just imagine it in MERDC camo with IBD or Rafael EAAK applique armor being launched from the stern ramps of Samos class LSTs (Maybe not the FSV version, but the IFV one, preferably with a Kuka or BMP-3M turret) *sigh*

Yes.
Any specifications for instance how many marines can the IFV variant carry except the crew. What kind of turret, one man, two man and with what cannon can the IFV variant mount.

[arkley]

Ooooh Boy ... you are going to get me into trouble now. :cantbeli:

Max Crew 16
Combat loaded weight 24000 kg
Unladen weight 13000 kg
power to weight ratio 25.8hp/ton (C9 engine)
Width 2.70 m
Height 2.10 m
Length 6.880 m
apprroach/depart angle 45 degree
max speed 125 kph
max speed on water 10 kph
fuel tank 400 ltr
range 800 km
gradient 82%
vertical obstacle 1 m

Yes in comparison to the Mowag Piranha III, this chinese tank performance is much better.
6 ton ammo on piranha against 11 ton ammo on the chinese tank
gradient 60% on piranha against 82% on the chinese.
500km range on the piranha against 800 km range on the chinese. :oops:

But it is understandable whilst the piranha is 90's technology ... the chinese is using 2000 technology. Furthermore the technology is supplied by the west and the engine is supplied by the good US of A

I have explained that there are no borders in engineering.
the engineeer will always try to use the best regardless :roll:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98639

cheers :)

[Dark Avenger]

Yes.
Any specifications for instance how many marines can the IFV variant carry except the crew. What kind of turret, one man, two man and with what cannon can the IFV variant mount.
Complement: unknown. Turret: looks like a two-man with a 30mm cannon and coax MG (IFV variant).

[arkley]

Man ...
I tell you the chinese is winning a big lottery by getting the design of the Terrex. The basic design of the terrex is modular, it can be anything and you can mount anykind of gun on it.
The Top can be taken out without compromising its structure and re welded again with different top for different job.
There is no other vehicle like it anywhere in the world, because it is an accountant nightmares to produce.
The chinese can get away with it because they have a rediculously low labour cost.
Here is two extreme example away from its main purpose that is KILLING.
:)

[Praet]

There is no other vehicle like it anywhere in the world
Actually, there are many, no, hordes of AGPCs not only being versatile enough allowing different variants to be produced, but also several designs comprising a common base vehicle and an field-interchangeable mission module (Boxer, SEP).
The Terrex is just another of the plenty wheeled AGPCs currently being fielded or developed. Its only distinctive feature is a quite advanced suspension system. Other than that, nothing special.

[arkley]

Yes, you are right about the modular design, even looking back at the 80's the Taiwanese produced the amphibious CM31. Modular design, endless possibilities ... but in reality only the basic variant ever produced in quantity.
I wonder why ...

[IAS]

The CM-31 was actually designed by Timoney and they built the first prototypes in Ireland.

IAS

[Praet]

Modular design
You are mixing up modularity and versatility.

[Magister]

It has the same looks as the AMX-10P Marines (esspecially the PAC 90 version with its angular turret) as used by Indonesia and Singapore. The front of this vehicles is very similar, as is the layout, but this Chinese vehicle is higher at the rear and has 6 roadwheels on each side.

[arkley]

The CM-31 was actually designed by Timoney and they built the first prototypes in Ireland.

IAS


Correct.
It is fitted with double wishbone, double coil over shock suspension just like the Indonesian PT44. But Timoney took different approach, putting the suspension on lower A-arm.

[999999]

In China, it is called "amphibious Tank" , because it's developing was based on Soviet PT-76 Tank.

[eATS]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90502

[bilbo baggins]

Maybe it is a track version of the 8X8 Terrex APC which was designed and built for Singapore by an Irish company. The Singaporean fail to market it and to recover the cost I am sure that the chinese bought the design from them.
It was supposed to be powered by caterpillar C9 engine.


What? :cantbeli:

What on Earth makes you deduce that? :roll:

Terrex had design assistance and suspension design from Timoney the Irish company. Subsequently Timoney has been acquired 100% by Singapore Industries, the people who design and build the Terrex.

Terrex is the WHEELED element of a whole new range of armour which now includes Leopard 2 (just bought from Germany for delivery during 2008-2010), BIONIX II also built by Sing Ind, BRONCO their interpretation of the the lovely Bv206 and the small(er)-than-usual 155mm SPG "PRIMUS".

Last incident I heard, you'll get 25 years hard labour if the Singaporeans catch you passing info to the PRC! Try it and find out what happens................(this is not a serious recommendation!)

Your later comment about carrying 16 people is arrant nonsense. The only way you'll get that number of people is to have them climb on top AND be inside...............:roll: The whole vehicle would have to be FAR bigger than it is to get that many people inside.

The hull of that vehicle is related, by all appearances, to the new IFV which at least owes some design leads to the BMP-3. The IFV of course has a copy of the BMP-3 turret c/w 100mm cannon and co-located 30mm cannon.

Regards,

BUG

[IAS]

Where did you hear Timoney was 100% owned by Sing Tech, last I heard they were 25% owned by Sing Tech and Sing Tech has an option to purchase another 26% until March 2008?

Also, the first prototype of the Terrex AV81 was built and tested in Ireland by Timoney for Sing Tech.

IAS

[bilbo baggins]

My apologies you are quite correct ST owns 25% currently and gets the other percentage in 2008 - an error on my undertanding.

Just to clear up one thing, Timoney designs vehicles such as the Terrex and the ADI Bushmaster and the Taiwanese CM31/32 and usually builds the prototype and sometimes the pre-production vehicles at least in part. The country that has chosen Timoney's design then tends to complete development and final design itself, hence has rights to sell the vehicle to whomever without recourse to Timoney.

[Dark Avenger]

New photos of the PLA's AAAV family surfaced in China Defense Blog (http://www.china-defense.blogspot.com/)
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Variants included 30mm Chaingun, 105mm tank gun and HMG engineering.