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Damian90
07-12-2009, 08:53 AM
Sell as many as M-1 from US Army inventory to Iraq, plus M-60 from your reserve....

Ehh, once again, Arab countries have "Monkey Models" M1's, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt have new produced Monkey Models, only Iraq will recive old, modified to Monkey Models M1A1's from probably ARNG stock piles.

Arab tanks have different armor, in best case with same protection as M1A1HA (660-680mm RHAe vs. KE front turret), in worst as M1IP/M1A1 (450-500mm RHAe vs. KE front turret).

Only really new things they can purchase are electronics, new FCS, FBCB2/BFT (modified, no US standard) etc.

Ammo is also export, KEW-A1/A2, only HEAT are M830 or in best case M830A1 + M1028 etc.


M1A2 you meant.. most US Army units are already equipped w/ the A2 if not all, Marine is still deploying the A1. Correct me if I am wrong.


You are wrong, ARNG and most US.Army HBCT's/Armor Battalions will recive M1A1SA's, weight 63,100kg, new FCS, FBCB2/BFT etc. rest US.Army HBCT's/Armor Battalions will recive M1A2SEP, 63,100kg, new FCS, FBCB2/BFT etc. Both variants have same armor (completely new i think, besides in all infos about modernisation they say about new armor for both variants). M1A2SEP have probably better electronic packadge.

U.S.M.C. Armor Battalions will recieve M1A1FEP, probably same as M1A1SA, with minor modifications that US.Marines need. Same armor as M1A1SA and M1A2SEP.

So US is unificationg it's tank fleet to only 3 types that have most parts as common.

Arab M1's are in best case comparabale to M1A1HA.

Australian M1A1SA's are comparable in armor protection to probably M1A1HA+/HC and M1A2.

Older variantas of M1's in US (M1, M1IP, M1A1, M1A1HA, M1A1HA+/HC, M1A2) are withdrawing from service and be modenise to 3 types mentioned above.

End of history about M1's. :-)

wigon
07-12-2009, 01:18 PM
At least US didn't give them for free
Sell as many as M-1 from US Army inventory to Iraq, plus M-60 from your reserve....So your Army can have all M2 tank regiments in US and abroad

How tank could be useful for Al Qaeda? Insurgent cavalry?
Iraq and Iran are very different, they never be a good friend
The only way Iran could get an Iraqi M1 is through the battle

Its not just about Shiite or Sunni, since 60 pct Iraqis are Shiite, but it also between Arab and Farsi. And this is nothing to do with Al Qaeda
That's why Arab country and US support Iraq during Iran-Iraq war


An M2 tank? The M2 is the Bradley IFV. I don't think the US is replacing M1's and M60's with M2 IFV's. As far as I know, I don't think any variants of the M60 tank are used anymore even in the U.S. Army National Guard.

As for Al-Qaeda, I thought that most readers would catch the idea that I was not being literal about the idea of the US selling tanks to Al-Qaeda. I was using them as an extreme example illustrating my point that the U.S. defense industry has a tendency to sell rather advanced weapon systems to countries that could easily become our enemies in the near future. Those weapon systems may be slightly downgraded, but are deadly nonetheless.

Arab and Farsi? You mean Persian. Farsi is the language spoken by Persians (Iranians). Iranians also happen to be mostly Shi'a.
You don't seem to understand Middle East politics very well. If you look at the history of conflicts in the Middle East it is riddled with betrayal and backstabbing. Middle East politics is about pragmatics. The regional rulers and factions go with the side that benefits them the most and will often form alliances with old enemies if they believe it suits their needs for that time. They just as quickly will betray them or attack them if that suits their needs better. The only thing that unifies Muslims in the Middle East is their hatred of Israel.

Wigon

wigon
07-12-2009, 01:55 PM
Damian, I wouldn't call those Arab M1's "Monkey Models". Those are still extremely lethal and well protected tanks that could give US forces alot of problems if they were ever used against us. They are to be sure, vastly superior then the typical T-72 tanks found in the ****nals of Iran and Syria.

Wigon

IDF-Godzilla
07-12-2009, 04:06 PM
Like we say in our army, it's not the tank, it's the tanker.
I doubt that Iraqi crews will ever achieve the amount of skill and experience like the US tank crews have.
The gap is simply too high, the Iraqi armored force will be no more then a typical security enforcer, not a spear head assault force to be recognized with.

Damian90
07-12-2009, 05:19 PM
Damian, I wouldn't call those Arab M1's "Monkey Models". Those are still extremely lethal and well protected tanks that could give US forces alot of problems if they were ever used against us. They are to be sure, vastly superior then the typical T-72 tanks found in the ****nals of Iran and Syria.

No it's not that way, fo US standars Arab export versions are monkey models, armor protection is in best way the level of second half of 80. So in best way their are protected like M1A1HA, so 660-680mm RHAe vs. KE on turret front, or in worse case like M1IP/M1A1, so 450-500mm RHAe vs. KE, in best case their can fight anything on middle east besides US tanks (their will be superior on armor protection M1A1HA+/HC's, M1A1SA's and M1A2SEP's), UK tanks (FV4034 Challenger 2) or Israeli tanks (older Merkava's and Magach's are vurnabale to export M1's variants for Arab countries, maybe besides Merkava Mk.2D and of course later Mk.3/4 models) + maybe UAE Leclerc's, i don't know it these Leclerc's are downgraded like Arab M1's or not, oh i forget Oman CR2's and possible T-90AS (or SA i don't know how to call it) purchased in future by some Arab countries.

The only really new things that Arab M1's have are electronic packadge and TIGER AGT-1500C GT engine.

AP ammo isn't as good as US M829A2 and M829A3, Arabs use export ammo, KEW, KEW-A1 and KEW-A2 + us standard M830 HEAT and maybe M830A1 MPAT + maybe M1028 Canister.

Arab M1's are superior to any other tank in middle east (and world also) are some simple but effective design solution same on US and Australian tanks, isolated ammo compartments (turret 36 rounds on M1A1's and 38 rounds in M1A2 + 6 rounds in rear hull magazine, ame protected as in turret) with sliding armored doors and blow-off/out panels, so crew survivability is greater than in any other tank in case of ammo cook off.


Like we say in our army, it's not the tank, it's the tanker.
I doubt that Iraqi crews will ever achieve the amount of skill and experience like the US tank crews have.
The gap is simply too high, the Iraqi armored force will be no more then a typical security enforcer, not a spear head assault force to be recognized with.

I'm agree with that.

wigon
07-12-2009, 07:13 PM
Like we say in our army, it's not the tank, it's the tanker.
I doubt that Iraqi crews will ever achieve the amount of skill and experience like the US tank crews have.
The gap is simply too high, the Iraqi armored force will be no more then a typical security enforcer, not a spear head assault force to be recognized with.

Well I'm not just speak of Iraqis. Egypt has over 500 M1A1's and are upgrading many of them to A2 standard. I know that over the years they've been training heavily with US armored units and that overall, the Egyptian military force has been making huge leaps in capability. All thanks to Uncle Sam. A successful coup by the Islamic Brotherhood or some other unforseen event could easily make Egypt, once again, a mortal threat to Israel. For a Merkava Mk4 crew, even a slightly less advanced M1A1 or A2 is still a vastly more dangerous threat (with a competent Egyptian crew) then say, for example, a typical Syrian crewed T-72.
That's not to mention all of the other wonderful advanced helicopters, aircraft, and other equipment that Uncle Sam has provided to the ancient nemesis of Israel.
Too much self-confidence nearly ended in disaster in the Yom Kippur War and as you know better then anyone, Israel can NOT afford to make a similar mistake again.


Wigon

Damian90
07-12-2009, 07:34 PM
Egypt has over 500 M1A1's and are upgrading many of them to A2 standard.

Egypt have 1005 M1A1's, some made in US, some made in Egypt from part delivered from US. They upgrading them by adding CITV, replacing CWS to ICWS and adding new electronic packagde from M1A2SEP, but basically these tanks are still these M1A1's. :-)


I know that over the years they've been training heavily with US armored units and that overall, the Egyptian military force has been making huge leaps in capability. All thanks to Uncle Sam. A successful coup by the Islamic Brotherhood or some other unforseen event could easily make Egypt, once again, a mortal threat to Israel.

Yes, well trained army and if Islamist group take control them then... oh my god, no part for M1's!, No parts fo F-16's!, no parts for AH-64's!

This is simple, train their military, give em good modern stuff (but not so good as yours) and wait, and if they are no peacfull, just cut them from parts, ammo etc.

And re-engeenering M1's, F-16's and AH-64's are not so easy. :-)

Besides there are rumors that big weapons producers instal in i.e. tanks some kind of... "Kill Switch"? That enables them to shut off electronics or something like that. But these are only rumors. :-) And still without parts, tanks don't gonna fight to long. ;-)


For a Merkava Mk4 crew, even a slightly less advanced M1A1 or A2 is still a vastly more dangerous threat (with a competent Egyptian crew) then say, for example, a typical Syrian crewed T-72.

Yeah, i can agree with that, the only problem is:
a)what are real armor penetration values for KEW-A1 and KEW-A2 APFSDS rounds used by Egyptian's,
b)what if frontal turret armor of export M1 variants are in level of M1A1HA (660-680mm RHAe vs. KE), Israeli ammo can penetrate that? I think it can but there always good probability that things are not such easy.


That's not to mention all of the other wonderful advanced helicopters, aircraft, and other equipment that Uncle Sam has provided to the ancient nemesis of Israel.

AH-64A (export variant) and F-16's are so wonderfull? AH-64A is an 80. design, dangerous but nothing wonderfull, this is not AH-64D Longbow Block-III. ;-)

wigon
07-12-2009, 08:30 PM
Egypt have 1005 M1A1's, some made in US, some made in Egypt from part delivered from US. They upgrading them by adding CITV, replacing CWS to ICWS and adding new electronic packagde from M1A2SEP, but basically these tanks are still these M1A1's. :-)



Yes, well trained army and if Islamist group take control them then... oh my god, no part for M1's!, No parts fo F-16's!, no parts for AH-64's!

This is simple, train their military, give em good modern stuff (but not so good as yours) and wait, and if they are no peacfull, just cut them from parts, ammo etc.

And re-engeenering M1's, F-16's and AH-64's are not so easy. :-)

Besides there are rumors that big weapons producers instal in i.e. tanks some kind of... "Kill Switch"? That enables them to shut off electronics or something like that. But these are only rumors. :-) And still without parts, tanks don't gonna fight to long. ;-)


I'm not just talking about the Islamic Brotherhood. Anything can happen that will suddenly put pressure on the Egyptian government to take a tougher stance towards Israel. Over 1,000 M1's is alot of heavy metal with serious lethality. That's not something for Israel or America to simply shrug off. Yes its true that parts can be cut off, but more and more of the M1 tank production is being done in Egypt every year. Furthermore the United States is not their only supplier of weapons. They also buy weapon systems from a wide range of other countries. Furthermore their stocks of parts and ammunition is most likely large enough to outlast any embargo with the indigenously built ammunition likely already being made for most of their weapon systems. In other words, if the vital parts (those that break down the most) and ammunition are produced in Egypt, then they have the potential of maintaining their weapon systems for quite some time. At the very least long enough for a short war using overwhelming force and surprise. Of co**** other issues such as SAM coverage, air superiority, etc.. are massive factors, and the IAF is by far superior to the Egyptian Airforce. Still however with innovations in Egyptian SAM technology, that number of M1's could potentially be extremely difficult for the IDF to handle if the IAF could not quickly cope with unforseen SAM capabilities.



Yeah, i can agree with that, the only problem is:
a)what are real armor penetration values for KEW-A1 and KEW-A2 APFSDS rounds used by Egyptian's,
b)what if frontal turret armor of export M1 variants are in level of M1A1HA (660-680mm RHAe vs. KE), Israeli ammo can penetrate that? I think it can but there always good probability that things are not such easy.


Those are all unknowns. Niether any type of M1 or Merkava tank is invincible. What we do know is that several Merkava's variants were knocked out in the 2006 Lebanon invasion by ATGM's and possibly RPG-29.
Likewise with some of the IDF's heavy APC's that turned out to be vulnerable. So its not out of the question that the KEW-A1 or KEW-A2 would be able to penetrate certain areas of the Merkava. It may end up being that only flank attacks insure knock out hits and in such a situation, it could be the formations using superior tactics (or that have superior air cover) that win the day. I had a chance to train with Egyptian Army engineers back in 1997 and even way back then, I was surprised by the professionalism of the Egyptian Army. They were no slacker force of fools.


AH-64A (export variant) and F-16's are so wonderfull? AH-64A is an 80. design, dangerous but nothing wonderfull, this is not AH-64D Longbow Block-III. ;-)

Yes, they are wonderful when compared to similar equipment from other countries. Ah-64D may be more lethal, but a standard A variant can still stick hellfires on target that can give a Merkava Mk4 crew a very bad day.
Likewise with aircraft like the F-16. I don't think that there is a tank in the world that can survive a direct hit from a Maverick AGM or a 1,000 LGB. In addition they have other Western kit like the capable Mirage 2000. I have no idea what level of sophistication goes into the export model, but it likely is not too shabby or they wouldn't have bought them from France.

But maybe you're right. The IDF however, would not be wise to be so confident and sure of themselves. Good military leaders plan for worst possible scenarious.

Wigon

Damian90
07-12-2009, 09:44 PM
Hi.


Over 1,000 M1's is alot of heavy metal with serious lethality. That's not something for Israel or America to simply shrug off.

Yeas of course, but on the other hand this is not some sort of superior armor force if we compare tem to US Heavy Armor-Mechanized Divisions or Israeli Armor Corps.


Yes its true that parts can be cut off, but more and more of the M1 tank production is being done in Egypt every year.

There will be no more M1's in Egypt servie, only 1005 and thats end. Egypt also don't produce parts for M1's only US do this, no one else. This is smart, you produce parts, you control situation, you make money also.

Ha not to mention how offten they need to ship engines to US in order to repair them. They recive engines in TIGER variant, but still after some time they need to ship engines back to US for repair process.

So if US cut off parts to Arab countries using M1's, these tanks will not fight too long. :-)


Furthermore the United States is not their only supplier of weapons.

Shure, but only supplier of M1 parts, AH-64A parts and F-16 parts, so their best equipment can be easy disabled if these will be needed.


They also buy weapon systems from a wide range of other countries. Furthermore their stocks of parts and ammunition is most likely large enough to outlast any embargo with the indigenously built ammunition likely already being made for most of their weapon systems.

This hase something to M1's? Or AH-64A's? Or F-16's?


In other words, if the vital parts (those that break down the most) and ammunition are produced in Egypt, then they have the potential of maintaining their weapon systems for quite some time.

Yeah, but Egypt don't produce vital parts for M1 tanks and other most modern equipment in their army.

Their M1's can do many damage to any one in middle east, until parts were end and then these tanks will be just sitting ducks.

Of course turret can be operated manually and tank can still shoot but in this case you don't have GPS (Gunner Primary Sight), you probably don't have thermals, no laser range finder, only simple GAS (Gunner Auxiliary Sight).

Of course if engine and/or EAPU are not operational.


At the very least long enough for a short war using overwhelming force and surprise. Of co**** other issues such as SAM coverage, air superiority, etc.. are massive factors, and the IAF is by far superior to the Egyptian Airforce. Still however with innovations in Egyptian SAM technology, that number of M1's could potentially be extremely difficult for the IDF to handle if the IAF could not quickly cope with unforseen SAM capabilities.

I'm agree with that, even "Monkey Model" tanks can be real pain in the ass if their are numberous and good operated.


Those are all unknowns. Niether any type of M1 or Merkava tank is invincible. What we do know is that several Merkava's variants were knocked out in the 2006 Lebanon invasion by ATGM's and possibly RPG-29.
Likewise with some of the IDF's heavy APC's that turned out to be vulnerable. So its not out of the question that the KEW-A1 or KEW-A2 would be able to penetrate certain areas of the Merkava. It may end up being that only flank attacks insure knock out hits and in such a situation, it could be the formations using superior tactics (or that have superior air cover) that win the day. I had a chance to train with Egyptian Army engineers back in 1997 and even way back then, I was surprised by the professionalism of the Egyptian Army. They were no slacker force of fools.

I suppose that KEW-A1 and KEW-A2 are really dangerous to Merkava Mk.1A at range over 2000m on frontal arc, same for Mk.2A/B/C.

From frontal arc only Mk.2D, Mk.3A/B/C and Mk.3D and Mk.4A/B are good enough protected. From the sides only turret of Mk.3D and Mk.4A/B are good enough protected, hull side shot will be ended by perforation, same of course fo Arab M1's.

And i'm agree on level of profesionalism in Egypt Army.


I don't think that there is a tank in the world that can survive a direct hit from a Maverick AGM

Well, maybe you don't beelive in that but M1A1HC nickname "Cojone Eh" that have occured a mobility kill in Thunder Run, and then destroyed by crew and other US forces, have been hit in right front turret armor, from what ive no there were no perforation in to inside, only deep penetration.

Besides, all armor protection values vs. CE, gives us a hint that modern tanks frontal turret armor can protect interior from perforation after hit by big CE warhead.


The IDF however, would not be wise to be so confident and sure of themselves. Good military leaders plan for worst possible scenarious.


Yep i'm agree, never underestimate enemy, this is firts step to hell. :-)

Shift Disturber
07-12-2009, 11:57 PM
Not to de-rail this thread or anything, but I just wanted to say that I like what I see from these pictures. I had a coach who once told me "Half of being a hockey player is looking like a hockey player; looking at yourself with confidence and being proud of what you see. looking confident and being confident are closely related. Now go out there and shw me how you can play too."

Those words still ring true in my head, and to a degree, I think they apply here. The Iraq army is starting to look like something of a contender in the mideast. Dont get me wrong, I understand that there are still a LONG ways to go for this army to be a fully trained, skilled and professional army, but as a start, they look every bit the part of a menacing, well trained force.

I wish the best of luck to them, their leaders, and their American military advisory staff and trainers. The tanks, the gear, the confidence is all there... now its time to train them and let them do something with it. Prove to us and their fellow countrymen that they are there to serve and protect.

and now back to your regular schedualed discussion on... Tanks!!

bambu runcing
07-13-2009, 06:28 AM
thanx for correcting me...
I mean M1A2 for M2, and M1A1 for M1




M1A2 you meant.. most US Army units are already equipped w/ the A2 if not all, Marine is still deploying the A1. Correct me if I am wrong.

Race and religious may play some role, but oil and mula have been the main cause of those conflicts.

I wonder why GD does not push M60-2000 series to the Iraqis, since the M60 stock is readily available. The Egyptian is upgrading 1000 of its M60A3s to this version - which many say is upto par w/ the M1A1.

sheytanelkebir
08-14-2009, 04:36 PM
some tidbits of news on the Iraqi military.

27 beechcraft T6 texan II have been ordered by the USAF on behalf of the IrAF.

Also an additional order for 2 C130-J30 aircraft bring the total order for Iraq up to 6 aircraft.

The Iraqi MoD told Gates during his visit to Iraq that he was "discussing with other folks" the acquisition of fighter aircraft for the IrAF.

And finally the Iraqi MoD has confirmed that Iraq is in discussion with Thales and Dassault regarding the acquisition of Equipment for the Iraqi Air Force and Navy.

sheytanelkebir
08-15-2009, 06:03 AM
update on the development of the Iraqi Navy

http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/site/?/blog/view/23/

sheytanelkebir
08-15-2009, 06:09 AM
Anyone know, if there is any progress in supplying Iraq army with 2000 T-72 tanks from east European countries?

that "deal" was promoted by a small US company and involved several Billion Dollars in kickbacks. It has been completely cancelled with both the Prime Ministers Office and the MNF-C saying that no such deal will happen.

Iraq bought 140M1A1AIM last year, and is buying 140 more this year. This annual buy will continue for the forseeable future until they have sufficient tanks for self defence... perhaps 700 or so..

wigon
08-15-2009, 02:23 PM
700 M1A1's, even downgraded, is vastly superior to 2,000 barebones T-72's. Although it probably would be smart of them to perhaps buy some cheap T-72's for internal rapid reaction forces, or perhaps some type of purpose built urban combat vehicle like the BTR-T designed to take alot of hits from standard RPG-7V rockets.

I'm surprised that the Russians have not made some type of T-72 variant with a heavier caliber, snub nosed assault gun similar to the old American and British CVT's. These are excellent for urban combat because the snub nosed cannon does not hit buildings on narrow streets (huge problem for US Army and Marine Tankers in Iraq). Ideally a dual assault gun/auto-cannon combo like on the BMP-3 would be best mounted on a heavily armored chassis and with a well armored turret.
On the cheap, even slat-armored upgraded BTR-80's (or 90's) and slat armored BRDM-2's would be excellent for Iraqi rapid reaction forces and vastly cheaper then something like the Stryker for example.
Another option is buying urban combat vehicles from the excellent range of urban combat vehicles that Jordan is developing which include heavy APC's similar to Israel's Achzarit through its blossoming KADDB state owned defense corporation.
This would have the double effect of helping to cement relations with a reliable Middle East Muslim partner that is Western friendly. King Abdullah of Jordan is also, coincidently, the current heir of the Hashemite dynasty that actually has the most legitimate claim on the Islamic Caliphate. This is no trivial thing in Islamic cultures.

The Iraqi politicians need to, I think, listen less to American and European arms dealers/contractors and listen more to analysts with urban combat experience regarding how to balance their forces for REALISTIC current combat situations rather then just trying to show off to neighboring countries how awesome their armored forces are. Right now it seems like they just want to develop enough strength to show some muscle towards Iran and Syria. Thats all fine and good....but they still have an insurgency to quell and the Abrams, while a good tank, is not optimized for urban combat.

Wigon

sheytanelkebir
08-15-2009, 02:33 PM
Wigon.

Iraq has bought new Strykers too.

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2009/09-05.pdf

as for urban combat. All the Iraqi M1A1AIM are coming with TUSK.

furthermore Iraq still accepts "donations" of old T72s from whoever gives them away, as well as refurbishing T72s from the local scrapyards. So they will always have a mix of both tanks.

wigon
08-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Ouch...waste of money. That is an example of WAAAAY too much technology for what they are dealing with. It also is an example of corruption and arm twisting. I bet it doesn't even have the latest ceramic armor upgrade on it. A Slat armored BTR-80 or 90 is all they really needed to provide a rapid response from a wheeled armored platform capable of carrying a full infantry squad. The Stryker is a nice vehicle, don't get me wrong. It will do the job. But the cost is many times more then a thoroughly upgraded BTR-80 or 90 that provides a similar protection level and with a heavy 14.5mm HMG or 30mm auto-cannon and a large infantry cargo area.
For the cost of a handful of those Strykers, they could also probably upgrade all of their infantry small arms to M4's with the latest sights (ACOG, Eotech, etc...) along with upgraded body armor and helmets.

Wigon

sheytanelkebir
08-15-2009, 02:41 PM
i agree with you on the Strykers 100%. waay too expensive for what is essentially a battlefield bus. but in typical arab fashion they saw the americans, and wanted the same...

wigon
08-15-2009, 02:51 PM
If they had any common sense, they would follow the top Arab Army (in terms of professionalism and innovation) and follow the Jordanian example. The Jordanians have a small, but highly professional and well armed military. Their new equipment is state of the art and custom designed for realistic conflict scenarios to include urban combat. They were the first Arab army to fully embrace digital camoflage and have integrated body armor and quality small arms fully into their military structures. Much of this is the result of British training that continues to this day (along with American advisors).
They may be small, but they were the toughest opponent Israel faced. Ask any IDF soldier about Jordan's military and they will show respect to them. They fought with honor and made peace with Israel with honor. They now have economic relations with Israel and overall good (but guarded) relations with all those around them. That comes from the Hashemite leadership that has been fortunate enough to have had the last two kings being very wise, politically saavy, and well educated.

If a new Islamic Caliphate was ever formed, King Abdullah would be ideal to lead it and not some idiot Wahhabi Saudi. For the Shi'a, Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani in Iraq, is the one they should turn to. He has been wise, patient, and instrumental in peace in Iraq. Hopefully his protege will be as wise as he is.

Wigon

Nuclear_Warrior
08-15-2009, 03:21 PM
One photo that I found a while ago.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2600/iraqarmy011wv7dotjpg

JohnnyWalker
08-15-2009, 07:32 PM
saw something on BBC Europe, they were showing a new iraqi unit with Abrams tanks. WTF? Why the hell does Iraq have abrams?

Cstafford
08-15-2009, 07:37 PM
saw something on BBC Europe, they were showing a new iraqi unit with Abrams tanks. WTF? Why the hell does Iraq have abrams?
Because we sold them Abrams tanks? I think they are M1's though
Never mind they are M1A1's

JohnnyWalker
08-15-2009, 07:46 PM
Because we sold them Abrams tanks? I think they are M1's though
Never mind they are M1A1's

soooo... members of NATO and best allies of the US don't get to buy the Abrams, but the worst enemy of America gets them, no problem.

Cstafford
08-15-2009, 07:53 PM
soooo... members of NATO and best allies of the US don't get to buy the Abrams, but the worst enemy of America gets them, no problem.
Why do NATO allies need outdated M1A1's when they have new Leopards, Challengers, and Leclerc's. Go back a couple pages and read up on it. Also I dont think Iraq is our worst enemy..... maybe the terror organizations who dont get the tanks we are talking about, but not Iraq.

Also I really dont see where you are going with that, we just sold Australia Abrams and they aren't even in NATO but still a very close ally.

Big Lebowski
08-15-2009, 07:55 PM
soooo... members of NATO and best allies of the US don't get to buy the Abrams, but the worst enemy of America gets them, no problem.
Mate.. they dont want to buy the Abrams. If they wanted im sure America would happily sell them.

larrystarling
08-15-2009, 09:23 PM
Why do NATO allies need outdated M1A1's
I'm sorry Butt munch but the M-1a1 is far from outdated! As a ex-19Kilo and a Plt Sgt. I can assure you that a M-1A1 is more than a match for anything that it will meet on the modern battlefield! AFWIW the Army is always updating the Armor fleet. It happened with the M-60 series and every family of vehicles before that. So before you start calling weapon systems outdated you need to get up from your couch and get some real facts.:bash:

Cstafford
08-15-2009, 09:52 PM
I'm sorry Butt munch but the M-1a1 is far from outdated! As a ex-19Kilo and a Plt Sgt. I can assure you that a M-1A1 is more than a match for anything that it will meet on the modern battlefield! AFWIW the Army is always updating the Armor fleet. It happened with the M-60 series and every family of vehicles before that. So before you start calling weapon systems outdated you need to get up from your couch and get some real facts.:bash:
...When I meant outdated I meant the ones we are giving the Iraqis, and outdated meaning not upgraded to what M1A2's have, or Marines M1A1's


The tanks are 20 year old tech at best (although the do have the Situational Awareness kit and second Gen thermals...).

Simply, if the US said "no" to M1A1SA tanks for Iraq, then the Iraqis would simply have bought some upgraded leclerc's instead (which contain all the same technology, with the same risk of it falling into enemy hands)....

the question was.

the risk of tech leak is the same, whether iraq buys M1s or leclercs.

shall we take the money, or let the french / germans take it (i.e. german powered leclercs for the iraqi army).

well... the US export agencies are not the easiest people to deal with when it comes to arms exports... in fact the Iraqi MOD is looking increasingly to buy large ticket items from France and Eastern European suppliers (and boats from Italy) quite simply because buying weapons from the US via the FMS programme is a long ardous trek with exams and hoops conditions ad infinitum... whereas the french are true salesmen... when the Iraqi MOD went to Paris 2 months ago, the french minister of defence accompanied him everywhere, they gave them rides in Tiger helicpters, leclercs, EC725s etc... they said financing is no problem we can do an oil for weapons deal, delivery when you want, we can fit it with any options you wish etc...

compare that to the treatment you get from the FMS people... and no wonder the "rafale" seems an increasingly likely contender for the IrAFs new fighter...
Sorry for any misleading

Deus Proeliator
08-16-2009, 12:02 AM
saw something on BBC Europe, they were showing a new iraqi unit with Abrams tanks. WTF? Why the hell does Iraq have abrams?

That is a good question Johnny just like why does the iraqi's have the same up armored HMMWV'S that we have with the same .50 cal's that we have and the same M4-s that we have as well as other weapons and the same blackhawk's we have and the list just goes on and on. I find it very interesting that we supply the enemy with the same weapons and armor and equipment that we use to fight with never the less train them the same way. I think its pretty ignorant how do you fight an enemy with the same weapons and trained in the same tactics as you but hey who am i to say i did my time belonging to the government. I guess maybe current enlisted may have a different opinion than me. But i was in iraq in 2004 and i can tell you that wether it is the IA or the IP or whatever you cannot trust them as far as you can throw them (my opinion) not to start a flame war. I do know that things have changed in iraq substantially since my time there so i would figure that the opinions out there may be quite different than mine. I mean no disrespect to the current enlisted with my opinion on the subject. I have nothing but respect for all of the current men and women serving may god bless you all.

CAV-TROOPER
08-16-2009, 01:34 AM
That is a good question Johnny just like why does the iraqi's have the same up armored HMMWV'S that we have with the same .50 cal's that we have and the same M4-s that we have as well as other weapons and the same blackhawk's we have and the list just goes on and on. I find it very interesting that we supply the enemy with the same weapons and armor and equipment that we use to fight with never the less train them the same way. I think its pretty ignorant how do you fight an enemy with the same weapons and trained in the same tactics as you but hey who am i to say i did my time belonging to the government. I guess maybe current enlisted may have a different opinion than me. But i was in iraq in 2004 and i can tell you that wether it is the IA or the IP or whatever you cannot trust them as far as you can throw them (my opinion) not to start a flame war. I do know that things have changed in iraq substantially since my time there so i would figure that the opinions out there may be quite different than mine. I mean no disrespect to the current enlisted with my opinion on the subject. I have nothing but respect for all of the current men and women serving may god bless you all.

I have a hard time seeing Iraq outfitted with all our equipment as well. I am heading over for my third tour and I will never trust them, I have seen waaaaay to many examples of how corrupt they are. Yes I understand our mission and why me must do it, but I don't like it and heading there again with all the rule changes and security pact fiascos only make it worse. They deserve peace and security but it's like "arming the enemy" to me. Just my opinion, I'm not fishing for some drawn out argument.

Sinchi
08-16-2009, 07:27 AM
Nice to see them making effort.
I have just one question. How do the US/British/Polish... advisors communicate with the Iraqi soldiers?
Do they all speak English yet? But when their on their own they might want to speak Arabic? Somebody clear me up?

Ir@n
08-16-2009, 07:30 AM
Nice to see them making effort.
I have just one question. How do the US/British/Polish... advisors communicate with the Iraqi soldiers?
Do they all speak English yet? But when their on their own they might want to speak Arabic? Somebody clear me up?

Translators.

JohnnyWalker
08-16-2009, 07:35 AM
Mate.. they dont want to buy the Abrams. If they wanted im sure America would happily sell them.


Ohh I see, so Estonia, Czech Repub, croatia, bulgaria, slovakia, slovenia... they don't want the Abrams. DAMN!n I didn't think the Abrams sucked so much

Redmen
08-16-2009, 07:45 AM
Well when you can get barely used German Leo's for a lot less there really isn't a point in getting an Abrams...

JohnnyWalker
08-16-2009, 07:49 AM
Well when you can get barely used German Leo's for a lot less there really isn't a point in getting an Abrams...

Leo's are cheaper? Man... I am soo confused. I thought the Leo was considered the best tank.

Big Lebowski
08-16-2009, 08:06 AM
Ohh I see, so Estonia, Czech Repub, croatia, bulgaria, slovakia, slovenia... they don't want the Abrams. DAMN!n I didn't think the Abrams sucked so much
They may want them, but last time i checked hardware like that cost dollars.

Leo's are cheaper? Man... I am soo confused. I thought the Leo was considered the best tank.
Most expensive doesn't necessarily equal the best.


Btw, calm down a little... you seem a bit excited.

Mork
08-16-2009, 08:57 AM
Leo's are cheaper? Man... I am soo confused. I thought the Leo was considered the best tank.
The German governmant takes very low prices for the "old" Bundeswehr Leos...but that doesnt mean that the Leo is a cheap Tank.

Damian90
08-16-2009, 08:57 AM
Eh, I wrote this in other threads.

Leo2 is not overall better than any other tank. It is cheaper and more fuel efficent.

I suppose that you all don't know what were happening in Sweden in 90's when they test some tanks?

M1A2 was they number one but, US wan't only sell a Monkey Model (Swedens want the best armor they could have, but US want give them tanks with same protection like Arab countries have (min. protection on M1IP/M1A1 level = 450-500mm RHAe vs. KE front turret, max. protection on M1A1HA level = 660-680mm RHAe vs. KE front turret, US 90's variants like M1A1HA+/HC and M1A2 have 880-900mm RHAe vs. KE on turret front). Germans ofered upgraded 120 Leopard 2A5S/Strv122 with another 120-140 Leopard 2A4S/Strv121 in very low price, so obviously Germans win, same with Greece trials, M1A2 win in shooting competition, in mobility was equal to Leo2A6HEL but... again it was armor monkey model.

In Australia opposite situation, US wan't to give Australia M1A1SA's with 3rd. gen. armor like in US M1A1SA's, M1A1FEP's and M1A2SEP's, Australia doesen't wan't DU layers so US designers, design a new armor, so called export armor packadge, I suppose it is on 90's variants protection level. :-)

And that's all, not to mention that M1 have thicker armor than Leo2.

LOS 875-900mm vs. 600-650mm LOS on turret front, side 350-400mm (on full lenght) vs. 200-250 (only over crew compartment, over turret bustle only 100-150mm). :-)


By the way, Iraqi M1A1M's are old basic M1A1's with changed armor (US don't sell them even old Burlington armor I think) with M1A1SA digital packadge (new FCS, II. gen FLIR, FBCB2/BFT) and with T.U.S.K.-I kit.

sheytanelkebir
08-18-2009, 04:46 AM
Hawker Beechcraft Corp., Wichita, Kan., was awarded a $86,575,795.09 firm fixed price contract to provide for 8 T-6A Texan II training aircraft produced by Hawker Beechcraft Corp., including ground-based training systems, aircraft spare parts, technical publications, and two years of contractor logistics support for the Iraqi Air Force. At this time, $69,420,044 has been obligated. 877 AESG/SYI, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio is the contracting activity (FA8617-09-C-6175).


The above order is in addition to Iraq's May order for 20 T6A Texan aircraft.


"Hawker Beechcraft Corp received a $123.8 million firm-fixed-price contract to provide 20 T-6A trainer aircraft (http://www.hawkerbeechcraft.com/military/t-6a/), training devices, and technical publications to the Air Force. At this time, $69.3 million has been obligated. Wright-Patterson Air Force Base manages the contract (FA8617-09-C-6166)....Iraq has different ideas, however, and wants 36 AT-6B armed counter-insurgency variants (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/iraq-issues-rfp-for-coin-aircraft-03281/) to complement a proposed buy of 20 T-6A trainers.


This is in line with Iraq's previous enquiry on the purchase of 20 texan trainers and 36 AT6B armed COIN aircraft variants.

sheytanelkebir
08-19-2009, 07:43 AM
By the way, Iraqi M1A1M's are old basic M1A1's with changed armor (US don't sell them even old Burlington armor I think) with M1A1SA digital packadge (new FCS, II. gen FLIR, FBCB2/BFT) and with T.U.S.K.-I kit.

So the main difference between a "human model" and arab "monkey model" is the RHA equivalent of the armour package (and the remote controlled MG on the TUSK kit)? Also a diesel power pack instead of the gas turbine.

if that is the case the only operational "inferiority" vis a vis the "human model" can be partially solved with additional armour layers where they deem it necessary, and the arab "monkey model" becomes armour equivalent of the "human model"?

Since the Iraqis had also evaluated other options before deciding on the arab "monkey model" M1A1M including T72s upgraded to PT91 (by Bumar) as flogged by "defence solutions", as well as the Leclerc and Pakistani Khalid MBT, I think they probably decided that the arab "monkey model" M1A1M was the best they could obtain?

what do you think? more importantly is the arab "monkey model" with its marginally inferior armour sufficient as a deterent to Iranian/Turkish/Saudi/Syrian incursions to Iraq? (which is the actual operational requirement of the Iraqi Army, and is the primary selection criteria).

Big Lebowski
08-19-2009, 07:50 AM
I thought they where still upgrading their T72's to PT91.

The US must be offering some good deals... seeing as the Iraqi's only seem to be choosing American equipment or American upgrades for Russian equipment. :)

sheytanelkebir
08-19-2009, 08:05 AM
I thought they where still upgrading their T72's to PT91.

The US must be offering some good deals... seeing as the Iraqi's only seem to be choosing American equipment or American upgrades for Russian equipment. :)

nope. the PT91 deal flogged by "defense solutions" was roundly put down by no less than the Prime Ministers Office, Minister of Defence and MNSTC-I spokesman to name but three...

this is the same company that also tried to flog the so-called BTR-3 to the Iraqi military and they used primarily massive kickbacks to the Iraqi parliamentary defence committee to try and get these contracts...

needless to say Iraq is getting M1s and Strykers. Not "upgraded" T72 and "BTRs"

Damian90
08-19-2009, 09:27 AM
So the main difference between a "human model" and arab "monkey model" is the RHA equivalent of the armour package (and the remote controlled MG on the TUSK kit)? Also a diesel power pack instead of the gas turbine.

There are more differences.

FBCB2/BFT software is different. Armor is different etc.

Oh and there are no RWS on any fielded T.U.S.K. kit, this means model I and model II, T.U.S.K.-III will be have RWS for TC and Loader in version for M1A2SEP, for M1A1SA it will have RWS for loader only (because Commander Weapons Station is allready "Remote"). Of course T.U.S.K.-III will be have more changes like special anti-shock seats for all crew members and other upgrades, it is still in development fase so we just need to wait.

There are still no Diesel power pack for M1 tanks, all are powered by AGT-1500C Gas Turbine Engine, there are plans to replace it by AVDS-1790 Diesel upgraded to generate 1500HP or more likely replace GT to a GD-833 a licence version of MB-833 EuroPowerPack.


if that is the case the only operational "inferiority" vis a vis the "human model" can be partially solved with additional armour layers where they deem it necessary, and the arab "monkey model" becomes armour equivalent of the "human model"?

No, the RHA eqivalent is if armor of thickness X have protection of armor with thickness Y but with a much less weight, the newest M1's (M1A1SA/FEP, M1A2SEP) have RHAe vs. KE 940-960mm RHAe and by some sources even say 1000mm RHAe vs. KE... 1000mm RHAe! Think about that!, and 1320-1620mm RHAe vs. CE or more, more do you realize that?! Protection of 875-900mm LOS turret front armor have protection of 1 meter of RHA plate! So if you wan't add and RHA plates to make this equivalent you make turret bigger, heavier etc.There is just no possibility. And newest M1's already weight 63,100kg without T.U.S.K.-I or T.U.S.K.-II!


Since the Iraqis had also evaluated other options before deciding on the arab "monkey model" M1A1M including T72s upgraded to PT91 (by Bumar) as flogged by "defence solutions", as well as the Leclerc and Pakistani Khalid MBT, I think they probably decided that the arab "monkey model" M1A1M was the best they could obtain?

what do you think? more importantly is the arab "monkey model" with its marginally inferior armour sufficient as a deterent to Iranian/Turkish/Saudi/Syrian incursions to Iraq? (which is the actual operational requirement of the Iraqi Army, and is the primary selection criteria).

Arab countries monkey model M1's are overkill to almost everything in ME. Only UAE Leclerc's, Oman FV4034 Challenger 2's, Israeli Merkava's from Mk.3 up to Mk.4 version, and possible T-90S/SA are equal or better. Damn I love US policie. :-)

sheytanelkebir
08-19-2009, 11:17 AM
so damian do you think iraq would have been better off buying "non-monkey model" Leclercs instead of the M1A1M? Is the extra expense worth it?

Damian90
08-19-2009, 11:27 AM
In my opinion NATO country's shouldn't sold Arab countries modern weapons, but this is just my opinion. We must consider that, Arab countries are unstabale. Religion there is very powerfull weapon for Fanatics and other mindless creaturs, of course US have this power, that when it cutt off supplies, that means also parts for tanks, planes, attack choppers etc. that all stuff will just sitting in the middle of the desert doing nothing.

And what Iraq should buy? Tha what they think is good for them, if they bought M1A1M that good for them, besides this T.U.S.K. is fielded, AZUR not, think about that and what were be priorities for Iraqi Army over some years now.

But still I think that state of the art, high end or high tech weapon systems should stay only on our part of barricade, that means NATO, west, call it what you wan't. In fact, for Arab's modernised M60A3TTS with uparmor, maybe 120mm smoothbore, new engine etc. will be good enough, and if they wan't something better they could buy T-90S (this tank is not that cheap and simple that some people claim, good piece of equipment) or T-72M1M, enough for them, not really danger for Israel, and everybody is happy. :-)

Damian90
08-19-2009, 11:31 AM
But don't get me wrong here, I'm not rasicst, I not against Arab's or anyone, just there are to much danger that modern western equipment get in hands of fanatics and will be used against our soldiers, and even downgraded monkey model M1, Leo2, Leclerc or CR2 is very dangerous, any equipment is, even the oldest one, so I hope you understand.

sp2c
08-19-2009, 12:22 PM
yes, yes ... we've heard all that before

I'd be surprised if the 'point' had not been raised in this topic yet so I suppose there are some sensible responses to it in here as well

in the end we need these governments to hold on to their country and for it they need modern equipment

sheytanelkebir
08-27-2009, 01:45 PM
Lockheed Martin Integrated Systems, Warner Robins, Ga., was awarded a $9,838,299.80 contract for the contractor to perform necessary maintenance on-site and at the heavy maintenance facility in the region; provides for technical assistance and support to the Iraqi Air Force; assists the IqAF in achieving and maintain a 65 precent mission capable rate; maintains the support system; and the contractor will mentor Iraqi technicians toward self-sufficiency (Foreign Military Sales). At this time the entire amount has been obligated. 330 ACSG/GFKA, Robins AFB, Ga., is the contracting activity (FA8530-08-D-0008-0006).



the above contract may possibly indicate that the F16s are being readied for Iraq... but have seen no contract...

Alpha-17
08-27-2009, 04:06 PM
Here's a few from deployment. All are late '07 through to March of '08.
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sheytanelkebir
08-28-2009, 07:16 AM
The Iraqi Military's Border Guards will have started using solar and wind energy to power their remote border posts.

http://www.defencetalk.com/iraqi-border-posts-testing-wind-solar-power-20914/


BAGHDAD: Although Iraq is blessed with one of the world’s largest reserves of crude oil, it has little or no refining capability and the lack of petroleum products makes it difficult to run generators that produce reliable electricity, especially in remote locations.

Every day, major cities and towns in Iraq suffer through prolonged power outages.
Power outages are a particularly critical problem for high-security facilities, such as border-crossing points on the Iranian border. While these facilities need uninterrupted power, they are so remote that it is impossible to connect them to the national power grid.

So the engineering arm (called “J7″ in military speak) from the Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq, in partnership with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, is funding and building alternative-energy systems for these more remote locations. In particular, at the border crossing location near the city of Badrah, a combination of wind turbine and solar panels are being installed to provide reliable power for the mission- critical task of guarding entry into Iraq.

“Even in Iraq, a country that is sitting on an ocean of oil, there is room for alternative energy programs,” said Lt. Gen. Frank Helmick, MNSTC-I commanding general. “Wind and solar could be the answer.”
The MNSTC-I J7 team has designed a unique system leveraging both solar panels and a large wind turbine. Military engineers affectionately referred to the rugged system as “energy in a box.” The wind turbine and solar panel will be connected to the appropriate switch gear allowing either, or both, power sources to generate electricity, depending on the environmental conditions.

The wind turbine will be capable of generating 500 kilowatt hours of electricity at a wind speed of only 12 miles an hour. Additionally, 24 solar panels are being installed that can provide more than 5,000 watts of peak power. Fortunately, Iraq has plenty of sunshine during the summer season when temperatures reach 125 degrees Fahrenheit. During the evening, there is also a surprising amount of wind blowing across the border between Iraq and Iran that can drive wind turbines and charge batteries during the hours of darkness.

The Iraqi Border Enforcement teams will run the systems. The coalition forces (through contractors) will provide in-depth training to the Iraqis on how to both operate and maintain the facilities. Costs vary greatly depending on the amount of electricity needed to power the facility and if solar panels or wind turbines, or a combination of both are used. Much of the equipment is covered by multi-year warranties, so the material should last a long time if properly maintained. In addition, the costs are actually less over the long term compared with the expense of transporting fuel to large generators every week.

“Iraqis will see the benefits of these programs in areas where re-supply of oil to run generators is problematic,” Helmick said.

There are already two sites close to Badrah where solar panels are being used. The first site is a remote outpost, where a solar-panel-array powers a water-well pump.

The second site is a more developed building where a second full array of solar panels is employed, plus a large wind turbine. The two sites near Badrah were a package deal featuring solar panels at both locations and one wind turbine at the larger of the two sites.

The alternative energy strategy at Badrah is actually a test case that will be used to accumulate data so the Iraqis can evaluate the feasibility of establishing similar sites across the country. Coalition forces from MNSTC-I will record the wind and solar data and determine the success of both systems. The engineers can then determine the right mix of solar and wind solutions for other locations in Iraq.

For a very remote site where the border enforcement personnel are in desperate need of drinking water, an even simpler design was created. During the day, solar panels power a pump that forces water from a local well into an elevated water tank. In the evening, when the sun goes down, the pump shuts down, but the elevated tank delivers a continuous supply of water to the Iraqis stationed at the post. Without alternative energy solutions like these, Iraqi border guards could not perform their critical missions.

“These efforts assist Iraqi border guards with an indirect capability that helps with security,” Helmick said.
Later this year, the Badrah facility will become the first fully operational endeavor of its kind in Iraq.

Additional solar/wind facilities will be complete at various times throughout 2010. Depending on the need, J7 can build dozens more.

The J7 team is evaluating various locations on the Iraq border with Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, at points of major access and egress into the country. Through this and other efforts, the trainers and advisors from MNSTC-I are helping Iraqis build capacity and increase capability for their power infrastructure.

With the June 30 movement out of cities, towns and villages by U.S. and coalition combat forces, soldiers have adapted to a critical, non-combat support, such as training Iraqis to operate and maintain basic services. Even as MNSTC-I turns Iraq’s infrastructure over to local government agencies, the J7 will still be able to assist with new alternative energy solutions throughout the country.

Iraq’s infrastructure is being rebuilt and restored. New roads, bridges, highways, electrical lines, and
buildings are being erected. These provide the Iraqi people with essential infrastructure. Throughout Iraq, facilities have been restored to more-normal conditions. Where there was no electricity available, new power lines from a national grid are being installed. Where there was no basic sewer and sanitation available, new septic systems are being built and waste-water treatment plants are being repaired and upgraded.

Through this and other efforts, the trainers and advisors from MNSTC-I are building capacity and increasing capability of the Iraqi infrastructure. As Iraq begins to shoulder more of the responsibility for operating and maintaining their facilities, their dependence on the coalition for assistance will diminish.

(Robert Moore is an officer in the Army Reserve with assigned duties at the Multi-National Security Transition Command in Iraq. He is a registered professional engineer with a bachelor’s degree from West Point and master’s degree from the University of Michigan.)

ZAYYANA
08-29-2009, 01:54 AM
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5927/71217117ba0dotjpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/29/71217062oz0dotjpg
Thats a Iraqi Sniper correct? with a CAMOED SVD?

I don't like this kinds of pic's... Moslem should respect to the Mosque n didn't wear slipper or shoes when inside...

sheytanelkebir
08-29-2009, 04:54 AM
really Zayyana?

you should ask the "muslims" who blow up mosques or use them to plan and construct terrorist bombs to stop first... that's possibly a slightly "worse" thing than wearing shoes inside? what do you think?

Alpha-17
08-29-2009, 09:05 AM
Ah, considering there's a white dude in the background, I'm going to have to say that shoes aren't the biggest offense being committed in these pictures.. And are we sure it is even a mosque? It looks like one of Saddam's Palaces to me.

sheytanelkebir
08-29-2009, 09:38 AM
Ah, considering there's a white dude in the background, I'm going to have to say that shoes aren't the biggest offense being committed in these pictures.. And are we sure it is even a mosque? It looks like one of Saddam's Palaces to me.

1- what "white dude" are you talking about? (do you know what Iraqis look like)?

2- it IS a mosque... not a palace.

sheytanelkebir
08-29-2009, 09:39 AM
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/08/airforce_iraqi_f16_082909w/


Iraq may get U.S.’s used F-16s



By Bruce Rolfsen - Staff writer
Posted : Saturday Aug 29, 2009 8:16:14 EDT
Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons set for retirement next year could end up flying over Iraq as part of the Iraqi military, a top acquisitions official said.

“There is a lot of work to be done [equipping the Iraqi air force]. ... Our work isn’t done yet,” Lt. Gen. Mark Shackelford, military deputy for the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, told reporters Aug. 27.

Last year, the Iraqi Ministry of Defense asked the U.S. government for permission to buy 36 F-16s, enough to equip two squadrons, from Lockheed Martin Corp. The aircraft manufacturer, though, can’t deliver all the planes by the end of 2011, when U.S. troops are supposed to be out of Iraq.

On a July trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Robert Gates suggested providing used F-16s as an option to speed up equipping the Iraqi air force with its own air defense capability.

“It involves everything from figuring out a way to provide more flexible financing, to seeing if there are some of our aircraft that may be excess to our needs that could be transferred,” Gates said.

The Air Force aims to retire 134 F-16s and 112 F-15s in 2010, if Congress approves the cuts. The Air Force believes taking jets out of service will save money that can be spent on other aircraft needs, such as buying stealthy F-35 Lightning II fighters.

If the Air Force turns over retired F-16s to Iraq, the service will still have enough backup fighters, Shackelford said. He did not say whether the U.S. would lease the planes or give them to Iraq.

The Air Force is also looking at equipping its Iraqi counterpart with a light cargo airplane and a light attack fighter.

Iraq’s fighter priority is a jet fighter, not a light attack fighter that is typically a single-engine turbo-prop airplane, Shackelford said. The turbo-prop T-6 Texans that the Iraqi air force recently agreed to buy are intended as trainers, not attack planes, he said.

The search for a light cargo airplane is just beginning, Shackelford said. In July, Air Force Materiel Command asked aircraft firms to submit information on potential cargo planes.

Alpha-17
08-29-2009, 11:57 AM
1- what "white dude" are you talking about? (do you know what Iraqis look like)?

2- it IS a mosque... not a palace.

1. Yes, I've been to Iraq. Have you?
First picture, behind the IA soldier's left shoulder, dude in western style clothing, and you can make out the arm of a dude behind them. Upon second glance, the person in question could indeed be Iraqi, albeit a rather western looking Iraqi.

2. And your reason for making this claim is? I'm not saying it couldn't be, or even that it isn't, just that it could easily be a palace, or extremely well furnished home. If it is a Mosque, than more than likely it was just attacked, used as a base for an attack, or being used as sanctuary for insurgents (look at all of the debris laying around, stuff knocked off of shelves, etc). Any which way, the IA soldier having his boots on is hardly the most important thing to take from that picture.

Vucjak
08-29-2009, 01:18 PM
Soon they are gonna have brand new Serbian weapons :)

szr
08-29-2009, 02:53 PM
2. And your reason for making this claim is?I can't read the Arabic script on the balconies but those are prayer rugs on the floor and they're aligned towards the minbar.

sheytanelkebir
08-29-2009, 03:12 PM
1. Yes, I've been to Iraq. Have you?
First picture, behind the IA soldier's left shoulder, dude in western style clothing, and you can make out the arm of a dude behind them. Upon second glance, the person in question could indeed be Iraqi, albeit a rather western looking Iraqi.

2. And your reason for making this claim is? I'm not saying it couldn't be, or even that it isn't, just that it could easily be a palace, or extremely well furnished home. If it is a Mosque, than more than likely it was just attacked, used as a base for an attack, or being used as sanctuary for insurgents (look at all of the debris laying around, stuff knocked off of shelves, etc). Any which way, the IA soldier having his boots on is hardly the most important thing to take from that picture.

you need to read some of my earlier posts.

1- i am iraqi (wearing trousers and having lightish complexion isn't such a strange phenomenon there... )
2- its a mosque to anyone who knows what they look like. you need to see some of the earlier comments i made on this topic.

despirit
08-29-2009, 03:56 PM
Soon they are gonna have brand new Serbian weapons :)

Actually they are already using a lot of Serbian made weapons and equipment ;)

DavidDCM
08-29-2009, 04:35 PM
2. And your reason for making this claim is? I'm not saying it couldn't be, or even that it isn't, just that it could easily be a palace, or extremely well furnished home. If it is a Mosque, than more than likely it was just attacked, used as a base for an attack, or being used as sanctuary for insurgents (look at all of the debris laying around, stuff knocked off of shelves, etc). Any which way, the IA soldier having his boots on is hardly the most important thing to take from that picture.

Sorry mate but that's a mosque no doubt. Prayer carpets on the floor, Qibla-wall in the background.

Alpha-17
08-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Well, don't I look like an ass? Oops, my apologies.

Anywho, my root argument remains the same: I think there were bigger problems than the IA soldier wearing shoes in a Mosque.

AL-Khalid
08-30-2009, 11:49 AM
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/photoessay/2007-02/hires_36927dotjpg
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/photoessay/2007-02/hires_36932dotjpg

What model of ak's are these ?

Zeev
08-30-2009, 11:56 AM
Bulgarian AK's made by ****nal weapons company.

Zeev
08-30-2009, 11:59 AM
Actually they are already using a lot of Serbian made weapons and equipment ;)

what kind of serbian weapons they use other than zastava ak's?

sheytanelkebir
08-30-2009, 12:05 PM
what kind of serbian weapons they use other than zastava ak's?

they should be buying some Machine Guns, ammo and possibly some artillery (but don't quote me on that, the Serbian weapons deal was a bit shady).

Also they bought some 20 Lasta 95 primary trainer aircraft, and are evaluating the LAZAR for the Federal Police mechanised units (the army has already selected the Stryker).

Zeev
08-30-2009, 12:43 PM
they should be buying some Machine Guns, ammo and possibly some artillery (but don't quote me on that, the Serbian weapons deal was a bit shady).

Also they bought some 20 Lasta 95 primary trainer aircraft, and are evaluating the LAZAR for the Federal Police mechanised units (the army has already selected the Stryker).

I have doubts about the possibility of a fair competition for the iraki military market with the US just behind, nevertheless, thanks for the news.

Paya
08-30-2009, 01:29 PM
what kind of serbian weapons they use other than zastava ak's?
Aside from what sheytanelkebir mentioned, the Iraqis are due to get a version of "Plamen" MRLS similar to the M-94, the difference being that it has two launchers. Now, I don't know the designation, and I'm sure I've seen photos of it on the net, but I can't seem to find them.

sheytanelkebir
08-30-2009, 03:17 PM
Well, don't I look like an ass? Oops, my apologies.

Anywho, my root argument remains the same: I think there were bigger problems than the IA soldier wearing shoes in a Mosque.

don't worry about it. its just a forum after all. agree with you about the "mosque" of course... funny to hear the righteous indignation about such a triviality when there's a deafening silence from the "muslim brothers" when 100s of thousands were killed by "islamic mujahideen".

sheytanelkebir
08-30-2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.mycity-military.com/thumbs/111758_tmb_69344406_2XplamendotJPG
you mean these.

http://www.mycity-military.com/thumbs/111758_tmb_69344406_2Xplamen3dotJPG

http://www.mycity-military.com/thumbs/111758_tmb_69344406_2Xplamen5dotJPG

despirit
08-30-2009, 05:05 PM
what kind of serbian weapons they use other than zastava ak's?

All things that this guys mentioned... I would add uniforms, bulletproof west's (and other ballistic protection), rifles, MG....

sheytanelkebir
08-31-2009, 03:47 AM
to be specific

CZ99 pistols (18k)

M21 rifles with 40mm grenades

about $130M worth of uniforms.

Lasta95 trainer aircraft (20, with option for 15 more)

Twin-Barrel M94 MLRS (above pics)

and in the future possibly LAZAR and some "heavier" MLRS like Oganj or ORKAN (which was actually originally co-developed with Iraq).

seems like Serbia is regaining its place as the second-third largest arms supplier in Iraq.

Zeev
08-31-2009, 06:19 AM
to be specific

CZ99 pistols (18k)

M21 rifles with 40mm grenades

about $130M worth of uniforms.

Lasta95 trainer aircraft (20, with option for 15 more)

Twin-Barrel M94 MLRS (above pics)

and in the future possibly LAZAR and some "heavier" MLRS like Oganj or ORKAN (which was actually originally co-developed with Iraq).

seems like Serbia is regaining its place as the second-third largest arms supplier in Iraq.

I dont think that the orkan is produced anymore by serbia, maybe NORA?

If the irakis are buying trainer aircrafts, that means that the itend to rebuild an air force, does anyone knows what kind of attack planes could be chosed by their mod?

despirit
08-31-2009, 06:39 AM
I dont think that the orkan is produced anymore by serbia, maybe NORA?

If the irakis are buying trainer aircrafts, that means that the itend to rebuild an air force, does anyone knows what kind of attack planes could be chosed by their mod?

No orkan is not produced any more, but it can be produce if someone wants to buy it ;)
Currently, we are only producing B-56 NORA-b, but iraq showes no intrest in it so far.

Iraq has requested from Serbia retrurnal of some ~21 MiG-21 and MiG-23, that where sent to Yugoslavia for overhauling... So will probobly see Iraqi AF flying jets soon :D

Zeev
08-31-2009, 06:49 AM
No orkan is not produced any more, but it can be produce if someone wants to buy it ;)
Currently, we are only producing B-56 NORA-b, but iraq showes no intrest in it so far.

Iraq has requested from Serbia retrurnal of some ~21 MiG-21 and MiG-23, that where sent to Yugoslavia for overhauling... So will probobly see Iraqi AF flying jets soon :D

yeah I have heard of that returning stuff, wouldn't it be better for irakis to buy brand new planes??

despirit
08-31-2009, 07:00 AM
yeah I have heard of that returning stuff, wouldn't it be better for irakis to buy brand new planes??

Yea... I realty don't understand them... They will have to pay for new overhauling and probably for parking space (their migs where stored for 20 years)... But looks to me like they are in rush to get some jets in the air... its a political move if you ask me :)

sheytanelkebir
08-31-2009, 07:19 AM
the story if the MiG21/23 from Serbia is a stupid move by some incompetent officers within the Iraqi MoD. Once everything clarifies... some officers are going into early retirement.

Iraqi AF will be getting some ex-USAF F16s that are retired next year (134 to be retired next year), and they have a request for 36 new-build F16s as well. That should clarify what their airforce will look like in the next 5 or so years (F16s, Mi17s, C130J, Trainer aircraft and some small helis...)

Zeev
08-31-2009, 07:20 AM
Yea... I realty don't understand them... They will have to pay for new overhauling and probably for parking space (their migs where stored for 20 years)... But looks to me like they are in rush to get some jets in the air... its a political move if you ask me :)

Indeed, it was my opinion too.

bah! some money for serbia..

despirit
08-31-2009, 10:20 AM
Hey, as long as they pay for them, we are ok whit it :D :D :D :D

BAGHDAD — Iraqi officials have discovered that they may have a real air force, after all.


The Defense Ministry revealed Sunday that it had recently learned that Iraq (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) owns 19 MIG-21 and MIG-23 jet fighters, which are in storage in Serbia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/serbia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo). Ministry officials are negotiating with the Serbs to restore and return the aircraft.
The Serbian government has tentatively promised to make two of the aircraft available “for immediate use,” according to a news release from the ministry. The rest would be restored on a rush basis, the ministry said.
An Iraqi delegation went to Serbia as part of an effort by the government to locate assets stashed abroad by Saddam Hussein (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/saddam_hussein/index.html?inline=nyt-per) to evade sanctions. Serbia had had friendly relations with Mr. Hussein’s government.
During that visit, Serbian defense officials told the Iraqis that Mr. Hussein had sent 19 fighter jets to Serbia for repairs in the late 1980s, during the Iran-Iraq war, but was unable to bring them back after sanctions were imposed on his country.
Iraq immediately sent a technical delegation, led by the air force chief, Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin.
The Web site of the Iraqi Supreme Islamic Council, the leading Shiite political party, quoted the Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed al-Askari as saying that the aircraft had been sent in 1989 “for maintenance, and everything was paid for by Iraq’s money.” Mr. Askari said the discovery was important because Iraq had no jet aircraft with defensive or offensive capabilities. “Our air force only has helicopters,” he said.
“Everyone knows how much we need fighter aircraft,” the ministry statement said. “We have reached a tentative agreement with the Serbian side to rehabilitate the aircraft and deliver them to Iraq in the shortest possible time, in recognition of Iraq’s need for such aircraft.”
The Defense Ministry statement was issued as a rebuttal to Iraqi news reports claiming that secret negotiations were under way with Serbia as part of a corrupt arms deal.
The rebuttal was at times angry, calling the criticism politically motivated and “a broken record which has become boring and funny.”
The American military’s training command has recently arranged for the delivery of Iraq’s first trainer for jet pilots, the propeller-driven T-6, in December (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/weekinreview/30NORDLAND.html). The T-6 is used to train pilots for the F-16 jet, but plans for Iraq to buy F-16s are still in the discussion stage, American officials say.
“We are working for the interests of Iraq,” Mr. Askari said about the discovery of the Iraqi MIGs in Serbia.
Lt. Col. Gary Kolb, a spokesman for the Multi-National Transition and Security Command-Iraq, or M.N.T. S.C.-I., the American military’s training wing, said the discovery of the Iraqi-owned MIGs would not alter any American plans, at least not immediately. “It’s going to take a while to see what impact it has,” he said.
So far, the Iraqi Air Force has only 87 aircraft, mostly transport and reconnaissance planes and helicopters, and only one ground attack aircraft. It has no jets.
Mr. Hussein’s government, which in 1990 had the world’s sixth largest air force with 750 aircraft, lost many MIGs and French Mirages when the United States bombed them during the first Persian Gulf war; nearly 100 were flown to Iran (http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/28/world/war-gulf-battle-report-iraq-s-warplanes-continue-seek-safe-haven-iran.html) to escape destruction, even though Iran was then an enemy of Iraq. Iran has still not returned the aircraft, despite otherwise warm relations between the two countries now, saying they were war reparations for the Iran-Iraq war.
The Serbian discovery would potentially give Iraq a jet fighter capability long before it could develop one with American aircraft.
American officials cautioned, however, that acquiring the MIGs would just be the beginning of a long process. “It’s more than just getting aircraft; there’s maintenance and support structures, training. It’s not going to change what M.N.T.S.C. -I. does,” Colonel Kolb said.
Iraqi officials have been hunting for missing financial and military assets in a number of countries where Mr. Hussein did business, including Egypt, Russia, France and Italy.
They have found two naval vessels belonging to Iraq in Egypt and two others in Italy, and other matériel in France and Russia, Mr. Askari, the Defense Ministry spokesman, said in a telephone interview.
In Belgrade, the B-92 independent news channel quoted officials as saying that Serbia had reached an arms export deal with Iraq that would result in employment for 6,000 workers in six military factories. Last year, the country exported $235 million worth of arms to Iraq.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/world/middleeast/31iraq.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail1=y

sheytanelkebir
08-31-2009, 10:22 AM
i seriously hope that some sense is beaten into these idiots from the "parliamentary committee" before they go and waste millions on gate guards.

khukuri
09-02-2009, 04:37 PM
Yea... I realty don't understand them... They will have to pay for new overhauling and probably for parking space (their migs where stored for 20 years)... But looks to me like they are in rush to get some jets in the air... its a political move if you ask me :)


There have been an increased activity in regaining anything that saddam lost. Its not a concentrated effort on the migs, its anything from sailing yachts to missing art.
The request on the migs wasnt just specifically for them or anything, they are just requesting back everything they lost.

sheytanelkebir
09-05-2009, 02:25 AM
a new twist to the serbian aircraft saga. finally the iraqis seem to be understanding that the planes in serbia are writeoffs and gateguards at best... Interesting that the serbs are using the opportunity to try and offload some of their fishbeds LOL!

BELGRADE, Serbia — Serbia may offer Iraq some planes from its aging air force and train pilots to partly make up for fighter jets sent here for maintenance during the Saddam Hussein era that have now been deemed useless, officials said Friday.
U.S. officials are concerned about Iraq's ability a set up and train a new force by the time most American troops withdraw at the end of 2011. Iraq's financial crisis, caused by plummeting oil revenues, has slowed the process.
Iraq's Defense ministry said earlier this week that it had found during a search of its files that the 19 planes — Soviet-built MiG-21s and MiG-23s — were sent for servicing in 1989 to what was then Yugoslavia.
They got stuck here because of an embargo imposed in 1990 against Iraq following its invasion of Kuwait, and because of the wars in the Balkans in the 1990s.
Iraqi officials said the planes could be critical in helping the country take responsibility for its own defense. But Serbia's army commander said they are dilapidated.
"These planes have not been overhauled and they are not in flying condition," army chief-of-staff Gen. Miloje Miletic told reporters. "I personally believe that when the Iraqi side gets to understand the condition of these planes, they will give up their demand."
He said without elaborating that "another solution" was possible in solving the Iraqi demand.
Serbian air force officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak about the issue to reporters, said the government may offer Iraq a part of its aging fleet, including jets to train Iraqi pilots, to partly make up for the loss.
But Iraqi officials will inspect the jets before giving up hope.
"These jets are Iraqi property and we are the side that decides the fate of the jets," Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Mohammed al-Askari told The Associated Press. "Our teams will evaluate the situation of the jets, then we will decide whether they are useless or not.
"Iraqi Defense Ministry officials are aware that these warplanes are somehow damaged and neglected for a long period of time, but Serbian officials told us that some of them are repairable."
An Iraqi military delegation was in Belgrade, the Serbian capital, last week to negotiate the return of the jets.
But Serbian officials say that, if Iraq plans to use the MiGs to rebuild its air force, their hopes will be dashed: Most of the planes, they said, are useless.
Only two of the jets are still "in one piece," including one that was until recently stored in Belgrade's aircraft museum, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss what they said was a military secret.

sheytanelkebir
09-10-2009, 03:24 PM
The Al Shams.

The Iraqi Navy's first new Offshore Support Vessel.

http://iraqalaan.com/bm/bm%7Epix/--330%7Es600x600dotjpg

The ship "Al Shams" was recently taken delivery. It is an Offshore Support Vessel supporting the channel pilots (http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/33538) and providing medical/security presence at the mouth of the channel approaching Umm Qasr.

sheytanelkebir
09-13-2009, 06:24 PM
The Iraqi Air force is continuing to build up its basic infrastructure.


http://www.defenselink.mil/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4116

Lockheed Martin Corp., Eagan Minn., was awarded a $28,123,449 contract for Command and Control System to be installed at Ali Air Base, Iraq. At this time the entire amount has been obligated. 350ESG/PK, Hanscom, Air Force Base, Mass., is the contracting activity (FA8706-09-C-0004).

BW2
09-14-2009, 12:23 AM
you mean these.

http://www.mycity-military.com/thumbs/111758_tmb_69344406_2Xplamen3dotJPG



Really loving this MLRS

Compact, fast, mobile and easily mistaken for a regular cargo truck. Any idea what vehicle it is specifically or its some sort of Serbian HMMV?

Dark Avenger
09-14-2009, 03:07 AM
It's the Nimr II 6x6.

despirit
09-14-2009, 05:47 AM
Really loving this MLRS

Compact, fast, mobile and easily mistaken for a regular cargo truck. Any idea what vehicle it is specifically or its some sort of Serbian HMMV?

All Serbian MRLS are made like that so you cant distinguish them from regular trucks when they are in marching positions ;)

BW2
09-14-2009, 03:26 PM
It's the Nimr II 6x6.Thanks Dark Avenger.

Dark Avenger
09-14-2009, 07:36 PM
You are welcome, Bluewings!
Another pic of the Nimr:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1306/jordannimrii6x604dotjpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/jordannimrii6x604dotjpg/)

sheytanelkebir
09-24-2009, 08:15 AM
Bell Helicopter Textron Inc., Hurst, Texas, was awarded on Sept 18, 2009 $6,931,530 firm-fixed-price contract. This contract is for the production of three Bell 407 commercial helicopters to be used as the training system platform for the Iraqi Armed 407 program, as described in pseudo Foreign Military Sale E4-B-UBY. Work is to be performed in Fort Worth, Texas, (55 percent), Mirabel, Quebec, and Canada (45 percent) with an estimated completion date of Dec. 31, 2010. One bid solicited with one bid received. U.S. Army Aviation & Missile Command, CCAM-AR-B, Redstone ****nal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W58RGZ-09-C-0249).

and related to that....


Iraqi Air Force Expands Deployment of Guardian Mobility Tracking Services

$1.3 million deal doubles the number of aircraft being tracked. The aircraft tracking and flight following system provides critical operating information on the whereabouts and status of aircraft for the Iraqi Air Force.

Duxford, UK (PRWEB) September 22, 2009 -- At Helitech today, in booth FTE 1717, Guardian Mobility announced the Iraqi Air Force has expanded its deployment of Guardian aircraft tracking solutions for its air fleet. It added an additional 60 aircraft, for a total of more than 125 aircraft - both fixed wing and helicopters -- being tracked in real time by Guardian 3x and 3i aircraft tracking devices.

The agreement has an initial value of US$1.3 million over a five-year term.

The system has been in place for more than two years now, and it has provided critical operating information, on demand, as to the whereabouts and status of aircraft, on fleet utilization and on any incidents as they arise in Iraq.

About Guardian products

Guardian Mobility offers three main aircraft tracking devices. The Guardian 3i runs on the Iridium network and allows for internal mounting and remote configuration of tracking options, and the ability to poll the device for current location and status. The Guardian 3x leverages the Globalstar satellite network, and incorporates integrated radio and antenna components in a single compact unit designed for quick installation on the exterior surface of fixed and rotary wing aircraft. Guardian SlimLine (Globalstar) offers aircraft tracking in a fully portable device. Guardian devices are easy to install and offer flexible airtime packages. Added services include advanced web-based mapping geared to aircraft operators, and customizable warnings and alerts.

About Guardian Mobility

Guardian Mobility offers a full range of GPS tracking solutions for aircraft. Lightweight, portable and easy to set up and install, Guardian's products are changing the way fleet operators manage their aircraft, allowing them to know the status and location of their aircraft at any given moment. Guardian's products are approved and widely used for Automatic Flight Following (AFF) by forestry contractors worldwide. For customer inquiries, please contact (613) 225-8885.









L-3 WESCAM to Support U.S. Army’s Iraqi Air Force Reconstruction Program

L-3 WESCAM, a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3 Communications, announced today that that it has been awarded an indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract to provide more than 50 MX-15D electro-optical and infrared (EO/IR) imaging turrets with designating capability to the U.S. Army. The contract is in support of the Army’s Iraqi Air Force Reconstruction Program.




The MX-15D has been configured to meet the Iraqi Air Force’s requirements. Its integrated Master Control Unit (MCU) results in an installed weight savings of up to 50 pounds compared to similar sized turrets. The integration of these external control electronics into the turret enables lightweight laser designation and range-finding capability.

“We are proud to participate in this important reconstruction program for the Iraqi Air Force,” said Paul Jennison, L-3 WESCAM vice president, government sales and business development. "The Aviation branch of the U.S Army has relied on WESCAM for a highly stabilized sensor system to support ISR operations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. This order further enhances our position with the Army as a leading, world-class supplier of designator systems."

The first unit was delivered in June 2009 under a separate, but related contract from Yulista Management Services in Huntsville, Alabama.

About L-3 WESCAM
L-3 WESCAM is a world leader in the design and manufacture of stabilized, multi-spectral airborne imaging systems. MX® is a registered trademark of WESCAM Inc.

About L-3 Communications
Headquartered in New York City, L-3 Communications employs over 66,000 people worldwide and is a prime contractor in aircraft modernization and maintenance, C3ISR (Command, Control, Communications, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance) systems and government services. L-3 is also a leading provider of high technology products, subsystems and systems. The company reported 2008 sales of $14.9 billion.

tornadoss
09-24-2009, 08:25 AM
New American Puppet.

ayanami_tard
09-24-2009, 09:54 AM
^i see your prospect in this place already

tornadoss
09-24-2009, 10:09 AM
What is my prospect???

Strongie
09-24-2009, 12:21 PM
a new twist to the serbian aircraft saga. finally the iraqis seem to be understanding that the planes in serbia are writeoffs and gateguards at best... Interesting that the serbs are using the opportunity to try and offload some of their fishbeds LOL!

BELGRADE, Serbia — Serbia may offer Iraq some planes from its aging air force and train pilots to partly make up for fighter jets sent here for maintenance during the Saddam Hussein era that have now been deemed useless, officials said Friday.
U.S. officials are concerned about Iraq's ability a set up and train a new force by the time most American troops withdraw at the end of 2011. Iraq's financial crisis, caused by plummeting oil revenues, has slowed the process.
Iraq's Defense ministry said earlier this week that it had found during a search of its files that the 19 planes — Soviet-built MiG-21s and MiG-23s — were sent for servicing in 1989 to what was then Yugoslavia.
They got stuck here because of an embargo imposed in 1990 against Iraq following its invasion of Kuwait, and because of the wars in the Balkans in the 1990s.
Iraqi officials said the planes could be critical in helping the country take responsibility for its own defense. But Serbia's army commander said they are dilapidated.
"These planes have not been overhauled and they are not in flying condition," army chief-of-staff Gen. Miloje Miletic told reporters. "I personally believe that when the Iraqi side gets to understand the condition of these planes, they will give up their demand."
He said without elaborating that "another solution" was possible in solving the Iraqi demand.
Serbian air force officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak about the issue to reporters, said the government may offer Iraq a part of its aging fleet, including jets to train Iraqi pilots, to partly make up for the loss.
But Iraqi officials will inspect the jets before giving up hope.
"These jets are Iraqi property and we are the side that decides the fate of the jets," Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Mohammed al-Askari told The Associated Press. "Our teams will evaluate the situation of the jets, then we will decide whether they are useless or not.
"Iraqi Defense Ministry officials are aware that these warplanes are somehow damaged and neglected for a long period of time, but Serbian officials told us that some of them are repairable."
An Iraqi military delegation was in Belgrade, the Serbian capital, last week to negotiate the return of the jets.
But Serbian officials say that, if Iraq plans to use the MiGs to rebuild its air force, their hopes will be dashed: Most of the planes, they said, are useless.
Only two of the jets are still "in one piece," including one that was until recently stored in Belgrade's aircraft museum, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss what they said was a military secret.


I think that Serbia could donate a squadron of active Mig 21-s as a good will gesture considering that they had the obligation to service and return those jets. It would foster good relations as well considering Iraq is without an airforce at the moment.

LibertyUnites
09-24-2009, 12:37 PM
What is my prospect???


I'd be surprised if you last out the year with comments like that last one.

Hyde
09-24-2009, 12:38 PM
The obligation of servicing and overhauling has been completet in 1991. It's not serbias fault that Iraq could not get its Migs back and that the planes had to be stored for almost 20 years.

tornadoss
09-24-2009, 01:00 PM
I'd be surprised if you last out the year with comments like that last one.

It's rememberd me a song
Metallica-Sad BUT TRUE"
Btw there is no insult in my comments...
And you may be suprised

sheytanelkebir
09-24-2009, 01:02 PM
The obligation of servicing and overhauling has been completet in 1991. It's not serbias fault that Iraq could not get its Migs back and that the planes had to be stored for almost 20 years.

in fact they were not completely "stored". The Serbian air force used the MiG21s during the war there (only briefly though), and some items have been *****ped from them for use on serbian planes...

but that's all nitpicking really, iraq will never use a MiG21 again, if they want a few of these back its mostly for the museums and gate-guards at bases.

when your poorest neighbour is throwing away its F5s (jordan) and your smallest neighbour has a fleet of hornets, you're not going to be the joke of the region with some fishbeds.

With the slowness of the F16 procurement there's a lot of noises coming out of Iraq about wanting to get Rafales or some "russian types"... (only rumours mind you).And to be honest Iraq needs an aircraft with more legs than the F16 and a better BVR platform, and hence both the rafale and SU30 types seem right up their street (though the americans are resisting strongly Iraqi attempts at buying non-US combat aircraft... as you can imagine).

sheytanelkebir
09-25-2009, 05:57 PM
more info on Iraq's new SOC at Ali Air Base,


DID »
Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors – Tactical Systems in Eagan MN received a $28.1 million contract to install an air command and control (C2) system at Ali Air Base, an airbase located near Nasiriyah in southern Iraq. The Electronic Systems Center at Hanscom Air Force Base, MA manages the contract (FA8706-09-C-0004).

Under the contract, Lockheed Martin will deliver a sector operation center (SOC), a SOC training suite, a ground-to-air transmitter and receiver (GATR) site, communication network infrastructure, and a long-range radar system…

The SOC is a real-time air defense/surveillance center that will provide improved situational awareness, as well as C2 capabilities that are interoperable with NATO assets, explained Lockheed Martin’s Tierney Helmers.

Features of the SOC include:

* sensor management
* aircraft tracking and identification
* data exchange
* generation of an integrated air picture
* threat evaluation
* weapons assignment
* intercept control
* initiation and monitoring of surface-to-air (SAM) missile engagements

Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors – Tactical Systems will provide the SOC capability. The company’s Radar Systems unit in Syracuse, NY will provide the TPS-77 long-range radar.



the type of radar at the SOC,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/RAAF_radardotJPG

and its capabilities:
L-Band Solid State Phased array radar
3D long range air surveilance radar.
250 nautical mile range
max altitude 100k feet
autonomous 24 hour operation


and this is where the radar will be located. the new ATC tower at Imam Ali Airbase
http://www.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/img/0909/206761dotjpg

Hyde
09-25-2009, 06:35 PM
in fact they were not completely "stored". The Serbian air force used the MiG21s during the war there (only briefly though)

I already said that, 3 i think were used in 1992 and went back to storage in 1993 (if i remember correctly).


and some items have been *****ped from them for use on serbian planes...

Never heard of that, got any source?

sheytanelkebir
09-26-2009, 05:19 AM
Swiftships Shipbuilders, LLC, Morgan City, La., is being awarded a $180,998,189 fixed-price letter contract for the detail design and construction of nine patrol boats and associated equipment and services for the Iraq Navy. This contract is in support of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Case IQ –P-SAZ and U.S. Case E4-P-LBT. The contract is for nine Swiftships model 35PB1208E-1455 patrol boats along with six 30mm gun weapons systems, machine gun mounts and cradles, spare parts, and contractor engineering technical services. Work will be performed in Morgan City, La., (60 percent), Detroit, Mich., (30 percent), Ocean Springs, Miss., (8 percent) and Charlottesville, Va., (2 percent) and is expected to be completed by August 2012. Funding in the amount of $129,104,173 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured. The Naval Sea Systems Command is the contracting activity (N00024-09-C-2256).

sheytanelkebir
09-27-2009, 03:25 PM
Iraqi pilots stand at attention during their graduation ceremony at a military air force base in Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad September 27, 2009. About 23 pilots graduated from an Iraqi Air Force Academy in Kirkuk after spending around two years in study and training, a source from the air force in Kirkuk said.


http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08Gy1223X46k3/610xdotjpg


these are the first newly qualified pilots in the Iraqi Air Force. All the previous pilots were from the old Iraqi Army Aviation.

sheytanelkebir
09-28-2009, 05:50 PM
35 Meter Patrol Boat

Swiftships' 35 meter patrol boat is a triple-waterjet diesel powered vessel. The hull and superstructure are of aluminum alloy. This vessel is designed to operate in coastal waters out to approximately 200 miles from shore and can operate in up to sea state 4. This vessel is built in accordance with ABS rules and one compartment flooding.
GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS
Length Overall
115 Feet 0 Inches (35 meters)
Maximum Beam
24 Feet 0 Inches (7.32 meters)
Draft
5 Feet 0 Inches (1.5 meters)
Water Capacity
1180 Gallons
Fuel Capacity
10,520 Gallons
Max Speed (normal load)
25 Knots
MACHINERY

* Main Engines: Three (3) Cat 3412 Marine Propulsion Engines, 8 cylinder, turbo charged and after cooled, four cycle, 1000 HP each, Twin Disc marine gear.
* Generators: Two (2) Cummins 55 kW gensets.
* Waterjets: Three (3) Hamilton HM651 Series waterjet propulsion units.
* Engine Controls: Two (2) sets Hamilton engine/waterjet controls: one (1) in wheelhouse and one (1) on the open bridge.
* Optional features: Main engine package, conventional propulsion, generator package, arrangement, color scheme, and electronic package.

NAVIGATION AND COMMUNICATIONS

* SSB: One (1) Icom M710 SSB
* VHF: Two (2) Icom M127 VHF radios
* Intercom: One (1) Zenitel internal communication system
* Navigation radar: Two (2) Furuno FR2115 Radars
* Remote Radar Display: One (1) Furuno FMD-1900C remote on flydridge
* Autopilot: One (1) Furuno FAP-330 autopilot
* Depth Sounder: One (1) Furuno FCV667 depth sounder
* GPS: One (1) Furuon GP-37 DGPS
* ECDIS: One (1) JRC model JAN 701 EOR
* ADF: One (1) Simrad/Taiyo TD-L1550A Automatic Direction Finder

ACCOMMODATIONS:
Crew quarters will house eight (8) crew and officer´s quarters will house four (4) officers. All quarters have berthing and lockers. A full galley is equipped with a commercial range, refrigerator/freezer, microwave oven, range hood, and all associated pots and pans. The crew head consists of double toilets and washbasins, shower, and urinal. The officers head consists of a head, lavatory, and shower.
BOAT, LAUNCHING WELL AND RESCUE PLATFORMS:
A RIB with outboard motor is provided and fitted in a stern launching well. A recovery winch is provided as well as rescue decks on the transom for loading and unloading the rescue boat.
Optional Features:
Main engine package, conventional propulsion, generator package, general arrangement, color scheme, waterjet RHIB, forward deck gun up to 30mm, and electronics package.
http://www.swiftships.com/images/35-METER-PATROL-BOATdotjpg

sheytanelkebir
09-30-2009, 05:51 AM
Iraqi navy capability requirement and force structure for 2015 and beyond

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA477058&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf


briefly, the document is advising the iraqi navy to expand beyond its currently planned

15 patrol boats
4 patrol ships
2 offshore support vessels


with the addition of:
3 armed helicopters
shore based artilery
MANPADS
2 more patrol ships
6 more shallow draft boats
3 more patrol craft per harbour (there are 8 ports in iraq, so 24 more boats).
fixed radars, automatic identification systems, and FLIR (possible UAS/aerostats)
setup specialist units for mine warfare, diving, EOD
A new fortified naval base in Al Faw
there's also a recommendation for maritime surveillance aircraft in lieu of onshore radars.

furthermore:
the current 15/4/2 plan only fulfils the COIN structure of the navy

interestingly, whilst the document claims to make "generic" force structure recommendations, the words "seahawk" are used generously.


on the potential capability to meet "another navy" the recommendations include:
Coastal artillery on the Al Faw Peninsula
" Coastal defense cruise missiles
" Armed helicopters (e.g. Sea Hawk or Super Cobra with Hellfire
missiles) (1-2 minimum available at any time)
" Patrol ships with naval guns (e.g. PCs, WPB) (1-2 available at any time)
" Missile boat (1 available at any time)
" Point air defense capabilities (e.g. MANPADS)
" Mine countermeasures capability (e.g. divers and mine
sweeping boats)
" Explosive ordinance disposal team
" Patrol craft (e.g. PC, WPB, 25' Defender Class Safe Boats) (1-
2 minimum available at any time)

iraqi for ever
10-01-2009, 02:28 PM
ISAF? They're in Afghanistan.

dear
our special forces name
iraqi special opertion forces
or isof not isaf ok ,,,.........

thanks guys for beutiful pics ..........

sheytanelkebir
10-05-2009, 06:02 AM
DJ Elliot has an update on the Iraqi Military's Order of Battle.

http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/site/?/blog/view/32/

Most of the development during September has been the completion of a number of important training programmes for the iraqi military and interior ministry.

DPMSAR15
10-05-2009, 11:23 AM
Maybe I missed this in the 25 pages of this thread so far, but are there any plans to introduce a standardized field uniform/bdu for the Iraqi Army? I know they obviously have a lot of other priorities at the moment, like keeping stuff from blowing up, but I just wondered if there were any plans out there?

sheytanelkebir
10-05-2009, 11:41 AM
Maybe I missed this in the 25 pages of this thread so far, but are there any plans to introduce a standardized field uniform/bdu for the Iraqi Army? I know they obviously have a lot of other priorities at the moment, like keeping stuff from blowing up, but I just wondered if there were any plans out there?

nope, especially since the federal police acts as a reserve military "gendarme" with its own separate uniforms (kind of a blue/grey/white digital cammo), the iraqi units will continue to have different colours when seen in public. The local police forces have their own DPM style uniform with a red-berret, armoured units have a different uniform, SF have their own thing, the Counter terrorism Bureau has its own thing (and a separate ministry), the kurdish militias (peshmarga) are completely different, and finally the Facilities Protection Service is also completely different...

of course, each unit has a unified uniform. but most of the pictures of soldiers on the streets involve men from different units, and even different ministries, thence you get the variety of uniforms. another issue is the fact that soldiers sometimes don't wear their "correct" uniform (they do have multiple uniforms of different types).

sheytanelkebir
01-06-2010, 12:39 PM
a short update on the Iraqi armed forces.

The Iraqi airforce received the first 4 of an eventual 15 T6A texan aircraft.
The air force has also begun receiving the first of its 20 Lasta 95 basic trainers.

The Iraqi navy has taken delivery of all 4 Saettia MK4 patrol ships.

The Iraqi air force has begun receiving its first EC635 helicopters.

A second batch of M1A1SA tanks have been ordered bringing the total to 280.

Iraq has made a new $2.5Bn arms deal with Ukraine. The first $400M is earmarked for 420 BTR4 APCs and 6 AN32B transports.

The iraqi army has begun to field heavy artillery units based on salvaged artillery from taji, including Type83 152mm towed howitzer, BM21 on KraZ trucks, and M109 SP howitzers.

Iraq still has no fighter jets or any Early Warning system... and nothing ordered either.

Damian90
01-07-2010, 03:07 AM
A second batch of M1A1SA tanks have been ordered bringing the total to 280.

All Iraqi M1A1M/SA's will be equiped with T.U.S.K.? And in what variant? T.U.S.K.-1 or 2?


and M109 SP howitzers.

Variant is known? M109A5 or A6?

sheytanelkebir
01-07-2010, 06:12 AM
the M1A1SA have the TUSK kit which is in current production... and yes, all the iraqi tanks so far have it (280).

the M109s are golden oldies from taji scrapyard.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/06/xin_2120107062029093273342dotjpg

Iraq has not acquired any new field artillery yet. only new mortars. all the artillery/mlrs are salvaged from the scrapyard...

Brasi
01-07-2010, 08:03 AM
Excellent thread and pictures. The New Iraqi Army is really impressive to look at and no doubt is making the Iranian Army take notice.

Question though, I see the Air force has no fighter jets yet, but don't they have a bunch of ex-fighter jocks that flew their aircraft to Iran during the Gulf War? I know all their training is Russian (in Mig-21's, 23's and 29's), but at least they have the basics down. All those aircraft are still very capable, and I'm sure the Russians would bend over backwards to sell them cheap.

Damian90
01-07-2010, 08:46 AM
Thanks Sheytanelkebir... BTW how many M1A1's Iraqi Army got right now? Besides 22 leased US M1A1HA/HC's for training?


the M109s are golden oldies from taji scrapyard.

Hmmm M109A3's? Maybe A5's. Well, turret looks like older type, that on M109A6 looks different, with more vertical front, I don't know if A5 got similiar turret to A6, so probably older ones than A5.

sheytanelkebir
01-07-2010, 09:05 AM
i believe the M109s are iranian captured examples... so A1s. :D

Iraq should have received 2 batches of 35 so far (70 tanks), another 70 in the next 6 months, and the remaining 140 by mid 2011. all are with the 9th armoured Division (who are handing down their T72 and T55s to other divisions). I believe the 22 US army tanks are used for training at Besmaya.


The Iraqi air force is starting from scratch with regards to pilots. Even the instructors in the new AF are fresh recruits, the americans found that the "old hands" were difficult to work with and to update their skills for the 21st century. Also the Iraqi recruits preferred to be trained by young instructors who were trained by the US in the post 2003 era...

The only exception to this is the helicopter pilots and crew of the Mi17s who hail from the "old" army aviation.

So far Iraq has not actually bought any aircraft. Their request for 36 F16s went through congress already 18 months ago, but the Iraqis never placed an order...

Lt-Col A. Tack
01-07-2010, 10:19 AM
Weren't some Iraqi aircraft located in Serbia?

sheytanelkebir
01-07-2010, 10:23 AM
those planes are just gateguards now (some Mig23s and MiG21s).


89th anniversary of the iraqi army day.
http://www.alsumaria.tv//get_news_video.php?nv_id=1254&lng=en

easyand
01-07-2010, 02:30 PM
in a old issue of an italian military magazine I've red that the iraqi air force ordered 50 MIG 29 in the eighties but they were never delivered, is that true?

sheytanelkebir
01-07-2010, 02:32 PM
Iraq had 41 MiG29s (35 single seaters and 6 dual seaters) since 1987 (actually delivered), but they were not happy with them and in 1989 decided to order SU27/mirage 2000 as their main force instead.

in addition to the delivered aircraft there were about 35-50 undelivered aircraft remaining at MAPO after 1989 that the iraqis did not want to take delivery of. I think you meant those?

sheytanelkebir
01-10-2010, 06:25 PM
after all the serious stuff.

some lighthearted news.

the jokers at Stavatti had aparently bid for the Iraqi AF trainer / COIN aircraft program.

LOL.

http://www.stavatti.com/STAVATTI_NEWS_071009.html#


notice they even drew one with an iraqi flag (and a triangle and a YI- registration number) and an authentic iraqi backdrop from Flightsim :D bless.
http://www.stavatti.com/NEWS_RELEASES/SM27T_MACHETE_1771dotjpg


stavatti = weird al jankovic of the aerospace world.

sheytanelkebir
03-07-2010, 07:05 AM
Nothing exciting's been happening on the military front in Iraq.

The air force:
2 EC635 helicopters have been received
16 SA342 gazelle helicopters (hand me downs from france) are being inducted as an interim stop gap until all 50 EC635s are delivered from France
8 T6A texans have begun the advanced training portion of the Iraqi airforce fighter pilot programme at the reopened tikrit air academy (7 more texans to be delivered by year end).
9 Lasta 95s are being used for the basic training alongside the Cessna 172s and Cessna 208s.
Iraq may be exercising an option for 40 additional Lasta 95 trainers in addition to their current 20 aircraft order.
3 Bell 407s have been delivered to prepare the Iraqi airforce for the induction of the Bell 407 Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter programme (50 helicopters) - these are being used alongside 10 OH-58 Kiowa helicopters on lease from the US Army.


The Iraqi navy
received the last 2 of a total of 4 Saettia MK4 patrol ships (56m)
Has sent crews for training in Louisiana on the new swiftships fast patrol boats (35m)
Has awarded a contract to a for the construction and delivery of 2 Riverhawk Offshore Support Vessels (65m)


The Iraqi government has signed a $2.5Bn agreement with Ukraine for the supply of weapons to Iraq's military.
The first phase includes the following:
-400 BTR4 Armoured Personel carriers equipped with ATGMs
-6 AN32B transports with an option for 4 more
The above contract is worth $550M if all options are exercised.

In addition, the remainder $1.95Bn is still being finalised but discussions include the supply of:
-OPLOT Main Battle Tanks
-Gayduk Corvettes

easyand
03-07-2010, 01:37 PM
a new contract with fincantieri will be signed soon for the overhaul and delivery of the 2 iraqi corvette that are in in italy since the end of the eighties

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/9/90/F-210_Musa_ibn_Nusayrdotjpg

ggk
03-07-2010, 01:47 PM
woot looks familiar... i wonder if Malaysia want to sell the laksamana Class to iraq.

ayanami_tard
03-07-2010, 01:55 PM
now you've said it...yeah it is the laksamana class corvette



where's the ASM?

sheytanelkebir
04-13-2010, 08:18 PM
any confirmation about the assad class corvettes? because iraq had already rejected them in 2005, and instead took the 4 new built Patrol Ships in lieau of the 2 assads.

Honneur et Patrie
04-14-2010, 03:35 AM
Hey, if contract finalization occurs, Gayduk class corvettes will provide a real credibility to Iraqi navy (two or three suffice, in my opinion)... A real nightmare for Iranian naval leaders! These great little multi-mission platforms would be a good choice for a near-landlocked country, which need to ensure a free acces to the sea. Looks more realistic than Saddam dreams of blue-water navy (Lupo class frigates and high-se tankers)!

sheytanelkebir
04-14-2010, 04:56 PM
If you ask me personally. I'd rather have some chinese Type 022s....

wigon
04-19-2010, 11:08 AM
after all the serious stuff.

some lighthearted news.

the jokers at Stavatti had aparently bid for the Iraqi AF trainer / COIN aircraft program.

LOL.

http://www.stavatti.com/STAVATTI_NEWS_071009.html#


notice they even drew one with an iraqi flag (and a triangle and a YI- registration number) and an authentic iraqi backdrop from Flightsim :D bless.
http://www.stavatti.com/NEWS_RELEASES/SM27T_MACHETE_1771dotjpg


stavatti = weird al jankovic of the aerospace world.




WTH??? After looking at their website, is this some kind of joke company? I see no actual real-life picture of aircraft. Are they really honestly trying to sell aircraft that haven't even been built yet??? If so, they are idiots wasting people's time without proof-of-concept prototypes.

sheytanelkebir
05-29-2010, 05:42 AM
WTH??? After looking at their website, is this some kind of joke company? I see no actual real-life picture of aircraft. Are they really honestly trying to sell aircraft that haven't even been built yet??? If so, they are idiots wasting people's time without proof-of-concept prototypes.

well stavatti is an "in joke" in the defence/aviation sector. though I do believe they ARE participating in tenders and registered on FBO/DOD as suppliers... but as far as I know they haven't sold anything to anyone.

sheytanelkebir
05-29-2010, 05:43 AM
http://www.marinelog.com/IMAGESMMIX/swiftiraq540dotjpg
May 27 2010
Swiftships delivers first in Iraq patrol boat series

P-301, the first in a series of 35-meter patrol boat built for the Iraqi Navy under a Foreign Military Sales contract by Swiftships, Morgan City, La., has been provisionally delivered to the U.S. Navy at Swiftships in Morgan City, La.
Swiftships is under contract with the U.S. Navy build up to 15 35-meter patrol boats for the government of Iraq in an effort to reconstitute the country's maritime security This first patrol boat will now be stationed at Swiftships' Training Village, adjacent to the shipyard, where it will remain until a first group of Iraqi sailors completes training in July 2010. The patrol boat, along with the second boat in the series, will then be shipped to Iraq.
The PB 301 made her first machinery runs on March 31. The new Swift Boat achieved an average speed of approximately 34+ knots at 84 percent installed power. PB 301 exceeded the contract speed requirement of 30 knots on her first run.

Fliphead
05-29-2010, 10:48 AM
Nothing exciting's been happening on the military front in Iraq.


In addition, the remainder $1.95Bn is still being finalised but discussions include the supply of:
-OPLOT Main Battle Tanks
-Gayduk Corvettes
OPLOTS?really?now that will be interesting!....T-55,T-72,M-1 and now perhaps Oplot.....nice developement....hope only they can handle all the vehicles!!!

iraqi for ever
05-29-2010, 12:59 PM
OPLOTS?really?now that will be interesting!....T-55,T-72,M-1 and now perhaps Oplot.....nice developement....hope only they can handle all the vehicles!!!

yea man . 76 t-55
& 180 t-72m1 & 700 m1a1m & maybe 820 of t-84 oplot.....

http://dc07.arabsh.com/i/01547/gmb8hl5uaf3fdotjpg (http://arabsh.com/gmb8hl5uaf3f.html)

iraqi t-55:)

http://dc07.arabsh.com/i/01547/zrlh8w3lq6t8dotjpg (http://arabsh.com/zrlh8w3lq6t8.html)

iraqi t-72m1p-)

http://dc07.arabsh.com/i/01547/t2n1de7wt0khdotjpg (http://arabsh.com/t2n1de7wt0kh.html)

iraqi m1a1mwoot

http://dc07.arabsh.com/i/01547/jz0fwk6okg7idotjpg (http://arabsh.com/jz0fwk6okg7i.html)

ukraine t-84 oplot;)

http://dc07.arabsh.com/i/01547/cl40hnvdn5mpdotJPG (http://arabsh.com/cl40hnvdn5mp.html)

various pics:hug:

Hyde
05-29-2010, 02:06 PM
Why don't the Iraqi T-72's have smoke dischargers? Why did they take them off?

sheytanelkebir
05-29-2010, 02:16 PM
marecar

some t72s have dischargers and some don't. depends what batch they're from:

some are from the old iraqi army salvage
some from hungary donated
and perhaps (i'm not 100% sure it happened) some slovak donated tanks

they are all slightly different. some T72M some T72M1 etc...

Hyde
05-29-2010, 07:01 PM
AFAIK all T-72's ever produces came with smoke dischargers. As it is very awkward to see them without them, there must be a reason why the iraqis took them off.

sheytanelkebir
05-29-2010, 08:32 PM
no idea.

some have them, some don't. - same situation with the T55s.

Alfacentori
05-29-2010, 08:39 PM
Hopefully if Iraq acquires Oplots they will use them to replace their T-55's, 62's and less upgraded 72's as they are combat ineffective on a modern battlefield and not worth the upkeep costs.

Alfa

Damian90
05-30-2010, 06:19 AM
iraqi t-72m1p-)

I think these on the pic are T-72M's, turret is a bit small to be T-72M1.


iraqi m1a1mwoot

Iraq got it's own M1A1M's or they still use these 22 leased US.Army M1A1HA/HC for training purpose? What is status of Iraq M1 tanks acqusition program?


ukraine t-84 oplot;-)

Ehm... no, tank on the pic is T-84-120 Yatagan, one prototype builded for Turkey, never fielded. T-84 Oplot have completely different look. ;-)


Hopefully if Iraq acquires Oplots they will use them to replace their T-55's, 62's

Iraq currently doesen't use T-62's IRCC, I haven't seen any. All have been destroyed or scrapped.

Alfacentori
05-30-2010, 06:23 AM
Iraq currently doesen't use T-62's IRCC, I haven't seen any. All have been destroyed or scrapped.

Interesting, I would have thought they still had some left since they still use 54/55s, but I can't recall seeing any in recent years either.

Alfa

sheytanelkebir
05-30-2010, 06:26 AM
no oplots in iraqi army. no official order yet either (iraq-ukraine were just negotiating it as the second phase of the 2.5Bn "package" similar to the corvettes), since the MOD have just last month decided to focus acquisition for the airforce. so it may be a long time before we see those tanks in iraq (though they are desperately needed with the 2011 deadline for US (ground) force withdrawal.

The M1A1AIM program continues as normal. so far 280 tanks in the program delivered by end2011-early 2012 (in batches of 35 tanks per shipment). no additional orders placed yet, but that would come out in august/september 2010.

Also Iraq cancelled the Stryker purchases due to cost reasons. they will be buying exclusively BTR4s from ukraine now.

I haven't seen any T62s in service either, only some chinese Type69-IIs. not that there aren't any in service... for example I saw, quite by chance 6 BM21s on brand new KraZ trucks and some chinese 152mm towed howitzer on a motorway in east baghdad this winter while driving by, all on FAUN tank transporters and freshly cammo'd.

sheytanelkebir
05-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Al Qayarah airbase will be the Location for Iraq's future F16 squadrons after 2011.

It was built originally as the main base for 4 squadrons of Mirage F1s during 1980.
After 2003 it became COB Q-west under US command
It is now transitioning back to the Iraqi airforce and will have "3 squadrons of aircraft including advanced helicopters and F16 fighters"

http://www.dvidshub.net/pub_show.php?id=6666



The choice of location also seems to imply that Al Assad, Balad and Abu Ubaida will remain USAF bases...

sheytanelkebir
05-30-2010, 05:15 PM
the iraqi MOD website is also advertising for fresh recruits now for to be technicians in the airforce: www.mod.mil.iq

Invitation issued by the Ministry of Defense / Air Force commandCalls and Ministry of Defense / Air Force command graduates technical institutes and study prep section scientific, literary and industrial volunteered to type the Air Force in places professionals on the aircraft and submit their requests to the recruiting center for the Air Force located in Al-Muthanna airport old as of 1/6/2010 and for one month Mstsahpin them all required documents and under the conditions set out below:

Conditions:
1. Must be a graduate of one technical institutes and junior high school section of scientific, literary and preparatory industry.
2. To pass a medical examination successfully.
3. To pass the interview successfully.
4. Must be of good reputation and conduct.
5. Not belonging to any party shall have a loyalty to the country only.
6. Must be at least 18 years of age and not more than 25 years.

Required documents:

1. Submitted a request to volunteer to Mr. Air Force leader.Original and copy2. Document to emerge from certified.Out and the image of3. The identity of the registrar.Original and copy4. Iraqi Nationality Certificate.Original and copy5. Card housing.

sheytanelkebir
05-30-2010, 06:32 PM
this week on the weekly "defenders of Iraq" tv-program of the MOD the following interesting bits of info were presented:

-creation of a joint operations centre between the defence / interior / electricity / oil ministry to coordinate the protection and counter-terrorism of all attacks against electricity/oil facilities.

-display of the so-called "secret prison" scandal in muthana base. the MOD spokesman said that this is a MOD prison in use before 2003, and after 2003 and is public knowledge.

-military base in UR district (north east baghdad) handed over to 2nd btn, 44th bde, 11th infantry division iraqi army

-so far 181 military bases have been handed over

-38th bde 10th div in amara freed a hostage and arrested the kidnapping gang by rapid reaction to the call and blocking off entire blocks of the city and searching. - the gang was captured within hours of the kidnapping.

-6th division. in spite of the constant anti-terrorist effort, the division took care to solve tribal differences and problems of the citizens in a peaceful manner.

-40th bde, 10th div in Nassiriya carries out advanced training to improve its operational and military effectiveness by rotating it out of combat for comprehensive retraining and bde level manoeuvres.

-the Prime Minister has passed a decision to repossess any house where explosives / terrorists / illegal weapons are found and arresting neighbours of the household. At the same time persons giving accurate intelligence to capture terrorists and weapons will have their financial rewards multiplied compared to previous levels.

-8 wanted terrorists and 5kg of TNT and a suicide vest were caught by Diyala joint security units in muqdadiya

-a 6 year old child, kidnapped in ghazaliya western-baghdad the 4th btn, 22nd bde, 6th infantry div carried out an operation to cordon-search-capture, captured one of the gang menbers from falluja, who led them to falluja (and in associaton with local police) raided and captured the entire gang and freed the 6 year old hostage. The entire operation spanning the kidnapping-complaint-6th div operation in baghdad - raid in falluja completed within less than 6 hours. - the father of the child was naturally overjoyed and described his view of the army and police to have changed 180 degrees.

-the military college had a celebration for the anniversary of the military college's founding on the 12th of may 1924. one of the events in the celebration included a para-drop

-basra operations command improved its collection and use of intelligence information to combat a new terrorist phenomenon of attacks against the water pipes in the province. an EOD officer defuses a bomb next to a main water pipe commenting "this is their jihad and their absolute moral and military bankruptcy".

-a recruitment drive into the "armour repair factory"

-a film collaboration between the MOD and iraqi film makers to make a film following the actions of a soldier battling suicide car bombs

-Air force and Navy recruitment for technical positions.

-Samawa province security, 39th bde, 10th div. states that this city remained free of terrorism for the past 7 years due to the actions of the local civilians in assisting the security forces.

videos can be streamed from their website www.mod.mil.iq

sheytanelkebir
06-28-2010, 04:30 AM
a post about the used equipment donation from the US to the Iraqi army in 2010.

http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/site/?/blog/view/64/

sheytanelkebir
07-05-2010, 06:08 PM
Ukraine preparing first military hardware shipments to Iraq in autumn under $550 million contract
Jun 11 at 17:46 | Interfax-Ukraine
Ukraine is planned to begin this autumn the shipment of first batches of military hardware to Iraq under a large-scale contract worth over $550 million struck in 2009.

The delivery of the first An-32 (P) aircraft for Iraq is scheduled tentatively for September, Dmitriy Kiva, the head of state-run Antonov Concern told Interfax-Ukraine.

"The first aircraft will be supplied in the near future, we should do that by September," he said, noting that work under the contract is proceeding normally.

Chief Designer of Kharkiv Machine Building Design Bureau Mykhailo Borysiuk said in turn that the delivery of the first batch of BTR-4 armored personnel carriers under the contract is scheduled for October.

"[Hardware] prototypes are undergoing trials. And I hope we'll be able to deliver the first batch in October, as stipulated in the contract," he said.

"Unfortunately our Malyshev plant has let us down – we haven't got engines from it yet," he said, noting that other subcontractors are working well.

In 2009, the subsidiary of state-owned Ukrspetsexport – state-run Progress specialized foreign trade firm – signed a contract with Iraq worth more than $550 million, which is supposed to be one of an upcoming series of contracts in the sphere of military and technical cooperation between Ukraine and Iraq.

The contract foresees the delivery more than 400 armored vehicles, in particular the BTR-4, about 10 An-32 aircraft, and aircraft repair services over three to three-and-a-half years.

Over 80 Ukrainian enterprises are involved in the fulfillment of the contract. Among the major contractors are Kharkiv-based Morozov Engineering Design Bureau, Kharkiv-based state-run Malyshev plant, and state-run Antonov Concern.


Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/69382/#ixzz0sqeWVnNE

sheytanelkebir
07-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Genkonstruktor to build armored vehicles and artillery systems Michael Borisyuk reported that Kharkov Machine Building Design Bureau Morozov will deliver the BTR-4 in Iraq in October. He clarified that the Bureau received an order for 420 BTR-4 for Iraq in August 2009.
Under this order the enterprise should make a 270 line of armored personnel carriers, 80 of command, 30 staff, 30 medical, 10 repair and recovery, etc. In addition it was assumed that prior to the Iraq contract to buy tanks from Ukraine and Redoubt.
However, according to Borisyuk, difficulties arose with the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant (Kharkiv). There has so far delivered engines to be installed on an armored personnel carrier and the wheel motors. Other vendors are on the order of about 100, carry out their obligations.

NCC1017spock
07-05-2010, 06:27 PM
I've gotta say, I'm impressed. This armed forces of thier's now really looks likes its coming together, when they started to train the new Iraqi army, I thought it would collapse right after we left, however (after see that pictures with the M-1A1 haha) I think there is a chance that this country will hold together after we leave, something I think both the Iraqi people, and the United States should be pround of.

vor033
07-05-2010, 08:57 PM
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Iraqi Army soldiers search rooms during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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An Iraqi Army soldier kicks in a door during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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Coalition security forces maintain a perimeter of security during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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Iraqi Army soldiers provide security to Iraqi Security Forces during a search and clear mission of Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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An Iraqi army soldier poses with material used to make an Improvised Explosive Device during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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Iraqi Army soldiers take photos of the contraband as evidence during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

vor033
07-05-2010, 09:01 PM
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An Iraqi Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty, a Soviet-made fighting vehicle, fires at Besmaya range April 14 during a partnered firing exercise with members of 3rd Battalion, 69th Armor Regiment and 9th Iraqi army. The exercise allowed Iraqi security forces to learn speed-loading and accuracy techniques from tankers of 3rd Bn., 69th Armd. Regt.

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An Iraqi T-72 tank fires at Besmaya range April 14 during a partnered firing exercise with members of 3rd Battalion, 69th Armor Regiment and 9th Iraqi army. The exercise allowed Iraqi security forces to learn speed-loading and accuracy techniques from tankers of 3rd Bn., 69th Armd. Regt.

vor033
07-05-2010, 09:09 PM
CAMP TAJI, Iraq – As the dust settled on the landing zone, two MI-17 helicopters lifted off from the 36th Brigade, 9th Iraqi Army Division headquarters at Camp Taji, their departure signifying the completion of the unit’s first joint medical training exercise between the Iraqi Army and Air Force.

Although the two Iraqi services have conducted a combined training exercise in the form of an air assault mission with support from 2nd Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, and the 36th Bde. 9th IA Div. Military Transition Team, this medical training was the first time the Iraqis planned, resourced and conducted the entire mission without the support of U.S. forces.

The training event began when red smoke grenades, symbolizing improvised explosive devices, detonated near an army convoy. The soldiers immediately sprang into action, pulling their “wounded” comrades from the vehicle and setting up security around the site.

While U.S. and Iraqi Army observers snapped pictures and took notes, first aid-trained Iraqi soldiers treated the casualties as their commander called over the radio for an air evacuation.

Soon, helicopters buzzed overhead and the wounded were loaded into the back of an ambulance and transported to the landing zone.

Since last fall, the transition team has partnered with 2nd Sqdn., 1st Cav. Regt., and worked tirelessly to provide medical training to their Iraqi counterparts.

Capt. Patrick Hanson, an intelligence officer with the team, explained that the final exercise came after months of training.

“The first aid training for the Iraqi soldiers began in October, with (Staff Sgt.) Osorio training eight to 10 soldiers every other week,” said Hanson, adding that as the Iraqi soldiers’ skills improved, army leaders began teaching the class and enforcing the standards themselves.

When the Iraqis began mastering these medical skills, their lead medic, 1st Lt. Naseem, developed the plan for the exercise.

In three weeks, he created a completely Iraqi-led medical course in coordination with the Iraqi air force to provide his medics practice loading casualties into helicopters, and secured all the equipment necessary for the actual event.

“(Naseem) has been the driving force behind this,” Hanson said.

As the rotor blades kicked up dust, Iraqi medics loaded the last of the casualties into the helicopters.

Standing beside them, Naseem, Hanson and other MiTT members observed and recorded their performance.

“We have some work to do,” said Naseem. “I will take what I wrote down and make it better next time.”

Although Naseem and the 2nd Sqdn., 1st Cav. Regt. MiTT members see room for improvement, they are glad to see signs that the capabilities of the Iraqi Security Forces continue to grow.


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vor033
07-05-2010, 09:50 PM
An Iraqi Army soldiers during a qualification shoot using the M16 rifle on Firbase Gaines Milles, Iraq, May 26, 2010. The IA soldiers were participating in courses to teach them combat techniques used by U.S. forces.


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vor033
07-05-2010, 09:54 PM
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An Iraqi Special Forces soldier guards the construction site of the new ISOF base being built in Diyala province.


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ISOF uses American weapons and communication gear. According to U.S. advisors, Iraqi Special Forces are as good as any SF in the world.

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An Iraqi Special Forces soldier keeps watch over the entrance to what will soon be a new ISOF base in Diyala province.

vor033
07-05-2010, 10:00 PM
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Iraqi Special Operations Forces soldiers set a perimeter after fast-roping insertion training. Members of U.S. Special Forces and crews onboard two Navy HH-60H Sea Hawk helicopters from Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 84 provided fast-rope insertion training to members of the Iraqi Special Operations Forces at Forward Operating Base Gabe.


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An Army Special Forces member holds on to Izra, a four-year-old German shepherd and member of the Multi-Purpose Canine Unit, during fast-rope insertion training aboard an HH-60H Sea Hawk helicopter assigned to the Red Wolves of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 84. Members of the U.S. Special Forces and HSC-84 provided fast-rope insertion training to members of the Iraqi Special Operations Forces at Forward Operating Base Gabe.

vor033
07-05-2010, 10:08 PM
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A Soldier with the Iraqi Special Operations Forces' 1st Brigade patrols through a mock village ready to take on three mock insurgents during a demonstration event held on an Iraqi military base in Baghdad Oct. 20.2009

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A 1st Brigade Soldier with the Iraqi Special Operations Forces pulls security in front of a house located on a mock village during a demonstration event held on an Iraqi military base in Baghdad Oct. 20. 2009


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Soldiers of the Iraqi Special Operations Forces' 1st Brigade patrol through a mock village during a demonstration event held on an Iraqi military base in Baghdad Oct. 20.2009


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Members of Iraqi Special Operations Forces prepare to breach an entryway into a mock terrorist hideout during a capability demonstration for a congressional visit at the ISOF compound in Baghdad Aug. 8.2009

vor033
07-05-2010, 11:26 PM
An Iraqi soldiers from the Iraqi Army Commando Battalion at the Basra Operations Center in Basra, Iraq, participate in room clearing and joint cordon and search training, April 28.2010. The training is provided by a U.S. Army Military Transition Team, also from the BAOC.


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vor033
07-26-2010, 06:22 PM
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An Iraqi Army commando platoon leader, from 12th Iraqi Army Division, gives observers and his soldiers an operation brief before beginning a live-fire validation exercise, which was the final verification in a commando course given by their 'Blackhawk' partners in Apache Troop, 6th Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division out of Fort Bliss, Texas, at the K-1 IA base, Kirkuk province, June 5.

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An Iraqi Army commando, from 12th Iraqi Army Division engages a target through smoke, during a live-fire validation exercise, which was the final verification in a commando course given by their 'Blackhawk' partners in Apache Troop, 6th Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division out of Fort Bliss, Texas, at the K-1 IA base, Kirkuk province, June 5.

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An Iraqi Army commando, from 12th Iraqi Army Division engages a target through smoke, during a live-fire validation exercise, which was the final verification in a commando course given by their 'Blackhawk' partners in Apache Troop, 6th Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division out of Fort Bliss, Texas, at the K-1 IA base, Kirkuk province, June 5.

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Iraqi Army commandos, from 12th Iraqi Army Division low-crawl to engage a target during a live-fire validation exercise, which was the final verification in a commando course given by their 'Blackhawk' partners in Apache Troop, 6th Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division out of Fort Bliss, Texas, at the K-1 IA base, Kirkuk province, June 5.

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An Iraqi Army commando, from 12th Iraqi Army Division, provides lifesaving care to a fellow commando, during a live-fire validation exercise, which was the final verification in a commando course given by their 'Blackhawk' partners in Apache Troop, 6th Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division out of Fort Bliss, Texas, at the K-1 IA base, Kirkuk province, June 5.

vor033
07-26-2010, 06:29 PM
Iraqi Army UH-1 Huey flies in Iraq July 19 during a training mission with the 2nd General Support Aviation Battalion, 1st Aviation Regiment.

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vor033
07-26-2010, 06:38 PM
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Commandos with the 10th Iraqi Army Division run into position in preparation for a mock infiltration mission at Forward Operating Base Garryowen, Iraq, June 28.

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Commandos with the 10th Iraqi Army Division (Iraqi Army) load onto CH-47 Chinook helicopters at Forward Operating Base Garryowen, Iraq, June 28.

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Commandos of the 10th Iraqi Army Division commandos race off the ramp of a CH-47 Chinook helicopter during the dry-run portion of their air assault training at Forward Operating Base Garryowen, Iraq, June 28.

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Iraqi commandos with the 10th Iraqi Army Division line up in preparation for a training mission after unloading from a CH-47 Chinook helicopter at Forward Operating Base Garryowen, Iraq, June 28.

vor033
07-26-2010, 06:53 PM
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Iraqi Army soldiers search rooms during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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An Iraqi Army soldier kicks in a door during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices

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Coalition security forces maintain a perimeter of security during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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Iraqi Army soldiers provide security to Iraqi Security Forces during a search and clear mission of Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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An Iraqi army soldier poses with material used to make an Improvised Explosive Device during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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Iraqi Army soldiers take photos of the contraband as evidence during a search and clear mission in Al Bailona, near Mosul, Iraq, June 29. Iraqi forces have increased the amount of searches in the region due to the discovery of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.

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Soldiers assigned to Commando Battalion, 7th Iraqi Army Division, "stack" outside a Black Hawk helicopter, while practicing proper procedures for exiting an aircraft outside Camp Khalid June 26. The IA soldiers, along with soldiers of 2nd Platoon, Company B, 1st Bn., 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 1st Advise and Assist Brigade, 82nd Airborne Div., conducted an air assault operation outside the town of Rawah in search of explosives production facilities.

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Iraqi soldiers assigned to Commando Battalion, 7th Iraqi Army Division, practice exiting a Black Hawk helicopter in preparation for a joint air assault operation with 2nd Platoon, Company B, 1st Bn., 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 1st Advise and Assist Brigade, 82nd Airborne Div., at Camp Khalid June 26.

vor033
07-26-2010, 07:02 PM
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After assaulting an objective, Karkh Area Command Strike Team soldiers (foreground) pull security while waiting for an MI-17 HIP helicopter to extract them from the simulated battlefield, March 29. Soldiers of Company F (background), 3rd Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division - Center, spent several months training the KAC Strike Team. The Iraqi forces were eager to demonstrate their capabilities during an air assault performance in front of Lt. Gen. Ali Hamadi Tahir, the Karkh Area commander for western Baghdad.

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An MI-17 HIP helicopter from the Iraqi Air Force and a UH-60 Black Hawk from 3rd Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division - Center, land on a simulated battlefield, March 29, during an air assault demonstration. The leadership of 1st ACB, along with Lt. Gen. Ali Hamadi Tahir, the Karkh Area commander for western Baghdad and Brig. Gen. Kevin Mangum, deputy commanding general of 1st Armored Division, USD-C, observed the capabilities of the Iraqi Air Force and KAC Strike Team soldiers from a nearby tower.

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After a joint air assault demonstration, Iraqi soldiers from the Karkh Area Command Strike Team, quickly load back onto an Iraqi air force MI-17 helicopter. Soldiers from Company F, 3rd Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division - Center, also assaulted the objective from a UH-60 Black Hawk.This demonstration was designed to show how the already elite KAC Strike Team has even greater capabilities when combined with the IqAF.

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Karkh Area Command Strike Team Soldiers rush out onto a simulated battlefield during a joint air assault demonstration, March 29. After Spending several months training, the KAC Strike Team and the 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division-Center, put together the demonstration to show Iraqi army leadership the effectiveness of air assault assets.

sheytanelkebir
08-14-2010, 04:18 PM
first picture of an Iraqi EC635 with temporary german registration!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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taken at Eurocopter factory field Donauwörth

the weapons system is a new ATE developed SAWS system that they are trying to sell the to US army UH72 programme...
the missiles shown here are the south african INGWE as far as I can see, but please correct me!




Incorporates a mission computer, an electro-optical system with TV and infrared cameras and laser telemeter (with laser designator as needed), a targeting system with a helmet mounted sight and display, two multi-purpose weapon pylons with slaving units, and a choice of weapons loads (guns, missiles and unguided or guided rockets).
This integrated weapons system – combined with the aircraft’s glass cockpit – provides full situational awareness for the crew,
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sheytanelkebir
08-14-2010, 04:40 PM
Leap offers attack role for utility helos
by Gareth Jennings

Elbit Systems and ATK have displayed elements for light helicopters on a mock-up of a Eurocopter EC 635 utility helicopter. The Light Enchanced Armament Package (LEAP) is currently in development and includes a helmet-mounted sight and display (HMSD), a chin-mounted DCoMPASS (Digital Compact Multi-Purpose Advanced Stabilised System) electro-optic/infrared (EO/IR) sensor turret - which includes a thermal imager and laser target illuminator - and the Guide Advanced Tactical Rocket (GATR) laser-guided 70mm (2.75 inch) rocket pod.

A Eurocopter spokesperson told Jane's that there is no agreement currently in place to integrate the system onto the EC 635 (or any of the company's helicopter) and that the systems were displayed together simply to demonstrate the concept.

The spokesperson went on to say that, while the company does have a contract to deliver 24 armed EC 635 helicopters "to a Middle Eastern customer", these aircraft will be provided with a Stand-Alone Weapon System (SAWS) as opposed to LEAP.

However, despite there being no agreement as yet to fit LEAP onto Eurocopter's helicopters, the spokesperson added: "Depending on specific market requirements, Eurocopter can possibly envisage using Elbit equipment such as guide rockets to fulfill certain missions of the SAWS."

SAWS, which is similar in nature to LEAP and jointly developed by Eurocopter and French airborne systems integrator ATE, was first unveiled at Paris Air Show in 2009. It includes the Denel Ingwe anti-tank missile, unguided 70mm rockets, as well as FN Herstal, Nexter and Plamen 12.7mm (.50 caliber) machine gun pods, all fitted to stub-wings. In addition, as HMSD is fitted, as is a head-up display (HUD) and a chin-mounted EO/IR sensor turret.

An enhancement of future SAWS capability is planned with the integration of laser-and-imagery guided missiles, 70mm guided rockets and twin 20mm cannon pods. It is not yet known what weapons fit the unspecified Middle Eastern customer will receive, the identity of which the company declined to divulge citing confidentiality issues. The SAWS-equipped helicopter is currently undergoing weapon-system trials in South Africa, with standard flight equipment being tested at the company's facility in Donauworth, Germany.

According to Eurocopter, the SAWS package could provide a customer with a low-cost close air support; counter insurgency; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance; and combat search-and-rescue capability. Powered by two Pratt & Whitney PW2062B2 or two Turbomecca ARRIUS 2B2 turbines, the armed EC 635 has a maximum range of about 137 kt. at sea level.

As well as the EC 635, Eurocopter has identified the EC 645, AS 565, ans AS 532/EC725 as being compatible with the SAWS package.

from Jane's International Defense Review May 2010.
(page 25)

sheytanelkebir
08-14-2010, 06:52 PM
delivery of iraqs abrams at umm qasr.

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All images were posted by vor033 on militaryphotos.net

sheytanelkebir
08-26-2010, 07:57 PM
Small bits of news.

Iraq has received the third out of 4 batches of Mi17CT helicopter (There should be over 70 new Mi17s in service now)

Iraq has also received the second shipment of LASTA 95 basic trainer aircraft from Serbia (the first 10 of 20 aircraft should finish within this year, cost 315k euros each) the remaining firm orders in 2011, and if Iraq exercises an option for a further 16, by 2012.
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/52022_47498946_Lasta%20001dotjpg


The first 2, of an eventual 30+20 option order of refurbished SA342M gazelle helicopters have been sent to Eurocopter Dunauworth for flight testing YI-299 and Yi-230 are their registrations. This ties in with Iraq's plan to have a 200 precision attack capable helicopters by 2013
50 Armed Bell 407s with HELLFIRE/DAGR 2/75" laser guided rockets,
50 SA342M Gazelles with SAWS/INGWE/70mm laser guided rockets
50 EC635 with SAWS/INGWE/70mm Laser guided rockets
50 Mi17CT equipped with MX15i and DAGR laser guided rockets (already undergoing trials in Iraq)

in other news, teams from the 9th Division's BMP1 crews have been sent to Ukraine to convert to the new BTR4 Armoured Fighting Vehicles that will be delivered beginning in October. A total of 400 vehicles are part of the first order. Accompanying them will be 10 AN32B acquired from Ukraine which start delivery in September.

Damian90
08-26-2010, 08:12 PM
134904Interesting detail, serial number with E letter, probably indicates "Export Armor Package" like on US tanks U indicates "Depleted Uranium Armor". Also FBCB2-BFT system antenna is visible, mounted to Gunner Primary Sight "dog house". Other details is EAPU and TIP, well it seems that besides armor Iraqi M1A1M's have rest of equipment same as in US.Army's M1A1SA variant so Iraqis besides Saudi M1A2S got the most advanced export variant in the Middle East. Any info's when TUSK kit will be fielded on them, and what version it will be? TUSK 1 or TUSK 2?

sheytanelkebir
08-26-2010, 08:48 PM
Interesting detail, serial number with E letter, probably indicates "Export Armor Package" like on US tanks U indicates "Depleted Uranium Armor". Also FBCB2-BFT system antenna is visible, mounted to Gunner Primary Sight "dog house". Other details is EAPU and TIP, well it seems that besides armor Iraqi M1A1M's have rest of equipment same as in US.Army's M1A1SA variant so Iraqis besides Saudi M1A2S got the most advanced export variant in the Middle East. Any info's when TUSK kit will be fielded on them, and what version it will be? TUSK 1 or TUSK 2?

no idea which version of the TUSK they bought to be honest... we'll find out when some pictures leak or I see one in the street (unlikely since they are hermits in besmaya camp and firing range).

here's the blurb from the first contract (i.e. the first 140 tanks).

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2009/09-08.pdf


and the contract.

General Dynamics Awarded $198 Million to Build 140 Iraqi Tanks
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich. � The U.S. Army Tank and Automotive Command has awarded General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), a contract worth $198 million to build 140 M1A1 SA (Situational Awareness) tanks for Iraq.

The SA enhancements to the M1A1 for Iraq include a second-generation forward-looking infrared (FLIR) thermal sight, a driver's vision-enhancer thermal viewer and Tank Urban Survivability Kit (TUSK) improvements, which provide better crew protection in urban warfare environments. In addition, engines developed through the Army's Total Integrated Engine Revitalization (TIGER) program will be installed and pulse-jet filter cleaning systems added to improve performance while reducing maintenance requirements and costs.

Work will be performed in Lima, Ohio; Scranton, Pa.; Anniston, Ala.; and Tallahassee, Fla. The completion date for the contract is May 31, 2011.

sheytanelkebir
08-27-2010, 09:25 PM
new atc towers springing up in iraq...

tikrit
http://www.afmc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/100825-F-5136C-500dotjpg

Ali AB (nassiriya)
http://nahrain.com/d/news/10/03/i/100320bb2dotjpg


The Electronic Systems Center's Aerospace Management Systems Division has awarded a contract to ARINC for procuring, integrating, installing and testing air traffic control tower equipment for two Iraqi air force bases.

The tower equipment and integration will allow the Iraqi Air Force to establish operational control towers at Tikrit and Taji air bases.

"This equipment must be carefully integrated into the new towers both during the tower design and construction phases," said Jamison Murray of the division's Foreign Military Sales Branch.

The work is being done as part of a joint effort with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which is responsible for design and construction of the two Air Traffic Control towers. The Tikrit tower completion is expected in November, and the Taji tower should be finished by next April.

As soon as construction is complete, ARINC will begin the air traffic control installation and integration efforts.

The results will enable the U.S. government to deliver "turn-key operational control towers over to the Iraqi Air Force," Mr. Murray said. "This is another key step to helping Iraqi air forces operate autonomously using modern facilities and equipment."

http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123219509

AIRBORNEJOCK
08-28-2010, 05:07 PM
135060

any reason this blokes got brit dpm on apart from ACU is rubbish?

sheytanelkebir
08-28-2010, 05:31 PM
can't see your attachment mate.

AIRBORNEJOCK
08-28-2010, 05:37 PM
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After assaulting an objective, Karkh Area Command Strike Team soldiers (foreground) pull security while waiting for an MI-17 HIP helicopter to extract them from the simulated battlefield, March 29. Soldiers of Company F (background), 3rd Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division - Center, spent several months training the KAC Strike Team. The Iraqi forces were eager to demonstrate their capabilities during an air assault performance in front of Lt. Gen. Ali Hamadi Tahir, the Karkh Area commander for western Baghdad.

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An MI-17 HIP helicopter from the Iraqi Air Force and a UH-60 Black Hawk from 3rd Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division - Center, land on a simulated battlefield, March 29, during an air assault demonstration. The leadership of 1st ACB, along with Lt. Gen. Ali Hamadi Tahir, the Karkh Area commander for western Baghdad and Brig. Gen. Kevin Mangum, deputy commanding general of 1st Armored Division, USD-C, observed the capabilities of the Iraqi Air Force and KAC Strike Team soldiers from a nearby tower.

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After a joint air assault demonstration, Iraqi soldiers from the Karkh Area Command Strike Team, quickly load back onto an Iraqi air force MI-17 helicopter. Soldiers from Company F, 3rd Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division - Center, also assaulted the objective from a UH-60 Black Hawk.This demonstration was designed to show how the already elite KAC Strike Team has even greater capabilities when combined with the IqAF.

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Karkh Area Command Strike Team Soldiers rush out onto a simulated battlefield during a joint air assault demonstration, March 29. After Spending several months training, the KAC Strike Team and the 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, U.S. Division-Center, put together the demonstration to show Iraqi army leadership the effectiveness of air assault assets.

try this the last pic

sheytanelkebir
08-28-2010, 05:52 PM
no idea.

the word "uniform" in iraq means heterogeneous ;) since 1980 at least...

easyand
08-29-2010, 03:42 AM
50 Armed Bell 407s with HELLFIRE/DAGR 2/75" laser guided rockets,
50 SA342M Gazelles with SAWS/INGWE/70mm laser guided rockets
50 EC635 with SAWS/INGWE/70mm Laser guided rockets
.

3 different helicopters for the same role...senseless and a logistic nightmare

TheEvian100
08-29-2010, 04:14 AM
Some pics from myself:
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TheEvian100
08-29-2010, 04:20 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/859/060524be4dotjpg

Behind the T-72, is that an M59 APC or an M113 from a funny angle?

AIRBORNEJOCK
08-29-2010, 05:06 AM
no idea.

the word "uniform" in iraq means heterogeneous ;) since 1980 at least...

initially i thought he was a yank but on closer inspection i think hes got an AK just never seen the IA in desert DPM.maybe a bit of romanian influence?

flanker7
08-29-2010, 05:15 AM
Behind the T-72, is that an M59 APC or an M113 from a funny angle?

I believe it's a pakistani made copy of the M-113, with some minor changes

TheEvian100
08-29-2010, 05:20 AM
I believe it's a pakistani made copy of the M-113, with some minor changes

Oh I see! Now it makes sense.. Efharisto p-)

sheytanelkebir
08-29-2010, 07:29 AM
3 different helicopters for the same role...senseless and a logistic nightmare

that's the way Iraq's always operated! its called "diversity of suppliers" and its not a decision by the MOD or military staff (who would rather havea single depot and one source of parts / armaments), but a political decision put into place in 1959... and the law has not been repealed, so... they continue with tradition... (the arms suppliers are happy I suppose since this way everyone gets a piece of the action). I am surprised that in spite of the complete collapse of Iraq in 2003, and the new US "rebuilt" iraq all these old laws are still on the books...

vor033
08-31-2010, 06:25 PM
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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force along with U.S. Military advisors conduct a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force demonstrate prisoner detainment during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force demonstrate casualty assessment and first aide techniques of a wounded soldier during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force demonstrate prisoner search and detainment during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Iraqi soldiers of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi special operations force storm a room during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force demonstrate casualty assessment and first aide techniques of a wounded soldier during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force storm the room during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Iraq%20Security%20Forces/25ce34dddotjpg

Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force demonstrate prisoner detainment during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

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Commandos of Charlie Company, 6th Battalion Iraqi Special Operations Force storm the room during a capability demonstration for the British General Officer Commanding, Maj. Gen. Andy Salmon, Multi-National Division (Southeast) on Aug. 29, 2008, in Basra, Iraq.

dersammler
08-31-2010, 07:29 PM
Awesome pictures and information. I'm impressed by the amount of different camos they use.

Token White Guy
08-31-2010, 07:45 PM
2 more dead terrorists and 22 more arrested. I'm hoping these new wave of attacks doesn't hinder Iraq's government and military ability to provide security to their people.

sheytanelkebir
08-31-2010, 08:59 PM
Awesome pictures and information. I'm impressed by the amount of different camos they use.

impressed or confused???

dersammler
09-01-2010, 05:44 AM
Both, haha.

sheytanelkebir
09-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Samsung Thales to Export Military Communication System to Iraq
By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter

Samsung Thales (STC), a leading electronic defense systems maker in South Korea, has won a contract to export its military communication system to Iraq, the company announced Wednesday.

The contract marks the first time a Korean military communication system has been exported, it said in a news release. So far, the country has exported single and small communication devices, such as wireless telegraphs and tactical radios.

STC and Samsung SDS signed the contract with the Iraqi Ministry of Defense to provide the defense communication network, which includes a high-speed radio transceiver (HRT21I), to Iraq next year, according to the release.

The contract for the first phase of the project is valued at $64 million, it said. The figure exceeds the total value of exports in the field of military communication over the past decade.

The second phase contract is expected to be worth over $100 million, it said. The second phase program is to begin in 2011.

"The winning of this contract is meaningful because after delivery of the military tactical communications system, there is high potential for the additional export of system upgrades and related weapon systems, which will lead to a much higher added value than the sales of individual units," STC Vice President Chung Ki-hyun said.

The company plans to expand to markets around the world, such as Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and Central and South America, he said.

Through active market development, Korea will build a stronger reputation in the military communications domain, company officials said, expecting the country would be able to collect more than $500 million in communications exports by 2012.

STC's products for potential overseas sales include tactical communications and data link equipment, radar systems, electro-optical gear and combat systems for ships and ground vehicles.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/07/205_57845.html

sheytanelkebir
09-03-2010, 06:40 PM
September update of Iraq's ORBAT by DJ Elliot

http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/site/?/blog/view/71/

HardThunder
09-03-2010, 11:09 PM
Some great stuff. Snaps to those that contributed.

As to why the smoke launchers have been removed on the tanks. The only logical reasons would be to keep them from being damaged, or because those units are going to be deployed in the internal security role. The problem with both is the mounting hardware seems to be mostly missing, and if you are going to use them in the internal security role you would only need something like a T-55, but with added protection for close in systems like RPGs, and the TC from small arms. In short I see no logic in having them missing, unless they are waiting on a contract for some special ones being provided -- like the old L-7s the US used.

vor033
09-04-2010, 04:09 AM
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Iraqi Army soldiers with Commando Battalion, 17th Iraqi Army Brigade, display national pride as part of a demonstration to signify the transition to Operation New Dawn, Aug. 30, at Joint Service Station Deason, Iraq.


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An Iraqi Army soldier with Commando Battalion, 17th Iraqi Army Brigade, jumps off a platform as part of an obstacle course, Aug. 30, at Joint Service Station Deason, Iraq. The unit uses the obstacle course to practice moving quickly through adverse terrain, and incorporates blank rounds to simulate moving under enemy fire.


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Iraqi Army soldiers with Commando Battalion, 17th Iraqi Army Brigade, navigate through an obstacle course, Aug. 30, Joint Service Station Deason, Iraq., demonstrating their capabilities.


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An Iraqi Army soldier with Commando Battalion, 17th Iraqi Army Brigade, waves the flag of Iraq as part of a demonstration to signify the transition to Operation New Dawn, Aug. 30, at Joint Service Station Deason, Iraq.


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An Iraqi Army soldier with Commando Battalion, 17th Iraqi Army Brigade, pulls perimeter security after finishing an obstacle course Aug. 30 at Joint Service Station Deason, Iraq.

vor033
09-04-2010, 04:22 AM
Iraqi Army Sgt. Mortada Ali Mansour holds the Iraqi and USF-I flags as he awaits his fellow U.S. Color Guard members to rehe**** for the USF-I change of command ceremony in Baghdad, Sept. 1, 2010.



http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Iraq%20Security%20Forces/28a716d6dotjpg

vor033
09-04-2010, 04:29 AM
An Iraqi UH-1H Helicopter preparing to go out on a mission



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An Iraqi UH-1H Helicopter returning from a mission


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vor033
09-04-2010, 04:37 AM
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An Iraqi Sergeant is training Iraqi Recruits on proper urban fighting Techniques.

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An Iraqi Army Officer observes his soldiers conducting urban warfare training.


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An Iraqi Sergeant is training Iraqi Recruits on proper urban fighting Techniques.


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An Iraqi Sergeant is training an Iraqi Recruit on proper marksmanship fundamentals


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An Iraqi Sergeant is training an Iraqi Recruit on proper marksmanship fundamentals



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Two Iraqi Sergeants are training an Iraqi Recruit on proper marksmanship fundamentals

vor033
09-04-2010, 05:21 AM
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Mi-17 helicopters and BTR-80 armed personnel carriers are seen at a parade during the Iraqi Army Day's 89th anniversary celebration, in Baghdad January 6, 2010.

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Iraqi tanks and helicopters are seen in formation during a parade marking Army Day in Baghdad, Iraq, Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2010. The Iraqi Army was activated on Jan. 6, 1921 while under British rule.

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An Iraqi soldier rides in his armoured vehicle during the Iraqi Army Day's 89th anniversary celebration, in Baghdad January 6, 2010.

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Iraqi Army soldiers ride in self-propelled artillery vehicles during the celebration of Iraqi armed forces day in Baghdad January 6, 2010.

sheytanelkebir
09-04-2010, 08:25 PM
a new Iraqi army aviation EC635 undergoing testing at Dunauworth Eurocopter facility.

This time its equipped with a pair of cannons.

http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2010-5/31/90315dotjpg

easyand
09-05-2010, 06:48 AM
In my opinion iraq should look to acquire some ex italian air force AMXs for it's air force, they're cheap to acquire and operate, with a wide range of modern weapons and a very good reliability after the recent improvements. They can be combined with F16s in a hi-lo mix.

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Vetrine/PublishingImages/amx_1dotjpg

vor033
09-05-2010, 07:37 AM
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An Iraqi army soldier from the 3-1-5 Iraqi army recon platoon participates in an early morning road march at Kurdish Military Training Base, Diyala province, Iraq, Nov. 7.


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Two Iraqi army soldiers from the 3-1-5 Iraqi army recon platoon "search" each other during training operations at Kurdish Military Training Base, Diyala province, Iraq, Nov. 7.


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Soldiers from 3-1-5 Iraqi army recon platoon practice drill and ceremony during Iraqi army training operations at Kurdish Military Training Base, Diyala province, Iraq Nov. 7.

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Iraqi army soldiers from 3-1-5 Iraqi army recon platoon pose together for a group picture after training at the Kurdish Military Training Base, Diyala province, Iraq Nov

AL-Khalid
09-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Are those m-109 are newly bought or captured iranian ones ?

dersammler
09-05-2010, 11:58 AM
Ex-American?

sheytanelkebir
09-05-2010, 12:30 PM
Are those m-109 are newly bought or captured iranian ones ?

Iraq is using some old M109A1s captured from Iran as well as 24 M109A5s given as aid by the US.

sheytanelkebir
09-11-2010, 07:58 AM
Some new details emerging on Iraq's BTR4 APCs

Iraq will receive the first 24 APCs in October this year.
They will have US radios for interoperabilty with the rest of the iraqi army.
120 iraqis are being trained in Kharkiv (commanders, gunners, mechanics)
it will be equipped with a PARUS weapons station.

ARUS Weapon station
The armament of the BTR-4 that will be demonstrated at IDEX'2009 consists of the Parus remote-controlled overhead weapon station (OWS) equipped with 30 mm 3TM-1 automatic gun, 40 mm automatic grenade launcher, 7.62 mm machine gun and Barrier anti-tank guided missile system (max firing range is 5,500 m). The main advantage of the Parus OWS is that it does not occupy the inner space of the vehicle and makes it possible to carry out maintenance from inside the vehicle under the complete armour protection of the hull.

The anti tank missile is called "Barrier".

Development
The Bar'er (or Barrier) ATGW system has been developed by the State Kyiv Design Bureau 'Luch' for the home and export markets. The ATGW system has been designed to be integrated onto a variety of tracked and wheeled armoured fighting vehicle chassis and has already been shown in a remote controlled weapon station integrated onto the roof of the locally developed BTR-4 (8 × 8) and BTR-3 series (8 × 8) Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC).

Description
The Bar'er ATGW system consists of two main components; the actual missile in its launch tube and the laser guidance module and associated operating controls.Method of guidance is Semi-Automatic Command to Line Of Sight (SACLOS) and all the operator has to do is to keep his sight and the associated laser beam on the target until missile impact. The missile has a maximum range of 5,500 m and time to this range is 23.4 seconds with an average speed of 260 m/s. This missile is also referred to as the R2 by the Ukraine.The missile is fitted with a tandem High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) warhead that is claimed will penetrate up to 800 mm of steel armour protected by Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA). Although its primary role is to engage threat MBTs and other AFVs, it also has a secondary role against other battlefield targets including bunkers and slow flying helicopters.While the first example of the Bar'er ATGW is fitted with a tandem HEAT warhead, it is considered possible that in the future alternative warheads could be developed including a thermobarioc type.

Ronguild
09-12-2010, 04:28 AM
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Iraq%20Security%20Forces/3b211245dotjpg

Up-armored BTR-80. Has some one got more detailled pics ?

sheytanelkebir
09-12-2010, 07:08 AM
good enough?
http://www.kjclub.com/UploadFile/exc_board_53/2009/12/22/IRAQ18dotjpg

Ronguild
09-12-2010, 07:15 AM
good enough?

No ! Keep on posting ... ;)

sheytanelkebir
09-12-2010, 07:57 AM
No ! Keep on posting ... ;)

stay tuned... hopefully within a month or two we should have the first pictures of iraqi BTR4s with PARUS weapons station.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8913/btr4withparusrcws1dotjpg

sheytanelkebir
09-12-2010, 12:36 PM
can anyone shed a light on the type of rifle the iraqi soldier in the middle of the picture is carrying?

http://latimes.image2.trb.com/lanews/media/photo/2009-03/45849182dotjpg

Bro Jangles
09-12-2010, 12:37 PM
Looks like a Tabuk with a rifle grenade launcher.

Fliphead
09-12-2010, 02:11 PM
or a dragunov without scope.......

Th3Rul!ng@sS
09-12-2010, 02:16 PM
Definetly a Tabuk, just look at the flash supressor and the barrel..

sheytanelkebir
09-13-2010, 04:16 PM
first new iraqi AN32B.

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000034475_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000034471_small.jpeg

Bro Jangles
09-13-2010, 04:19 PM
or a dragunov without scope.......
sight post is to far back.

kerim
09-13-2010, 04:21 PM
hmm, interesting rifle

Hyde
11-18-2010, 05:54 PM
Pictures of 4 Iraqi Lasta aircraft, one of them armed with gun pods
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7091/11369175887442753531567dotjpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4622/11369175887442730651543dotjpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3620/11369149618754379371537dotjpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4879/11369149618754459011463dotjpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9089/11369175887442459011463dotjpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1639/11369175887442335701541dotjpg

GI.ME
02-05-2011, 12:10 AM
I read before that Egyptians developed special armor for their monkey Abrams to replace DU armor. What’s the possibility Iraqis getting this armor from the Egyptians for their monkey Abrams.

Token White Guy
02-05-2011, 12:19 AM
I've never heard the term "monkey" Abrams before.

Mein Teil
02-05-2011, 12:20 AM
I've never heard the term "monkey" Abrams before.
Sounds racist.

slobo
02-17-2011, 06:27 AM
stay tuned... hopefully within a month or two we should have the first pictures of iraqi BTR4s with PARUS weapons station.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8913/btr4withparusrcws1dotjpg

Anything new on these?

Damian90
02-17-2011, 08:36 AM
I read before that Egyptians developed special armor for their monkey Abrams to replace DU armor. What’s the possibility Iraqis getting this armor from the Egyptians for their monkey Abrams.

Not Egyptians, US, they developed for export so called Export Armor Package or EAP.

US don't want to export their armor package with depleted uranium alloy elements (also other materials, interlan design, composition are different), so they offer an EAP instead. It is possible that EAP is based on Burlington armor, popularly known as Chobham.

And Yes, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia M1 tanks are export variants (sometimes called "monkey" variants) and have probably the same armor package. I seen Iraqi and Egyptian tanks serial numbers with 4 digit number + big letter E, probably means export, if Saudi and Kuwait tanks have the same letter, this means that armor package is more or less the same.

US tanks have or 4 digit serial number (M1, M1IP and M1A1), or 4 digit number with big letter U like Uranium (from M1A1HA) or big letter M (some after AIM rebuild program). Australian tanks got big letter A - Australia.

IRCC US for the first time actually, offered Australia tanks with Depleted Uranium alloy elements in armor package (in the same time nor Sweden nor Greece in 90's would get that armor package if they would choose M1A2, this is why tank loosed in all new tank competitions in these countries, even if it was the best choice from vehicle armor and crew protection point of view), but from some reasons Australia choos different armor package, but probably not the same, better than that used by middle east countries.

wigon
02-17-2011, 09:30 AM
You have to remember that Egypt is actually manufacturing most of the Abrams tanks IN EGYPT so most likely they can modify their tank's armor if they feel like they can improve it unless there is strict oversight and restrictions by the United States regarding modification to the armor being manufactured in Egypt. Under a new government they could also just give America the finger, buy fire control systems from another country (like France) and ignore the licensing agreements by continuing to manufacture the Abrams tanks but with whatever armor they wish to use. There is a reason why Egypt also buys French equipment (and updates older Russian equipment) That is so if relationships sour with America, they are not so terribly screwed. That is one reason why they use both the Mirage 2000 and the F-16C jet fighters even though they do very similar missions and have similar capabilities. Most Arab countries do the same thing and is one reason why Iraq also is not buying 100% American vehicles and aircraft. Loyalties can shift very quickly in the Middle East especially when it comes to relationships with Western nations.

Damian90
02-17-2011, 09:51 AM
You have to remember that Egypt is actually manufacturing most of the Abrams tanks IN EGYPT

No they don't, complete hulls and turrets + weapons, engine, transmission, firecontrol, ammunition are manufactured in US, then shipped to Egypt and assembled there.


so most likely they can modify their tank's armor if they feel like they can improve it unless there is strict oversight and restrictions by the United States regarding modification to the armor being manufactured in Egypt.

No they can't, firs licence, second they don't have technology nor they know how to do that. And what is briliant in this policy, allmost 100% of their AFV's use US components, even upgraded T-55's. Geat way to control other country.


Under a new government they could also just give America the finger, buy fire control systems from another country (like France) and ignore the licensing agreements by continuing to manufacture the Abrams tanks but with whatever armor they wish to use.

And what other fire control system will be good enough to be assembled in to M1 turret? It will fit, You are so sure? I'm not.

Not to mention engine and other major parts of tank. If they wan't different engine they need to completely redesign engine compartment, not easy, not cheap.

So yeah, they can show US a finger, but then US show them even bigger finger and thay can say bye for most of their modern equipment that will be just sitting in motorpools.


There is a reason why Egypt also buys French equipment (and updates older Russian equipment)

I don't sea any major modern french weapon systems, ex soviet equipment was upgraded with US made spare parts.

greatmoose
02-17-2011, 11:52 AM
That rifle looks like a tantal or beryl to me.

wigon
02-17-2011, 12:30 PM
No they don't, complete hulls and turrets + weapons, engine, transmission, firecontrol, ammunition are manufactured in US, then shipped to Egypt and assembled there.



No they can't, firs licence, second they don't have technology nor they know how to do that. And what is briliant in this policy, allmost 100% of their AFV's use US components, even upgraded T-55's. Geat way to control other country.



And what other fire control system will be good enough to be assembled in to M1 turret? It will fit, You are so sure? I'm not.

Not to mention engine and other major parts of tank. If they wan't different engine they need to completely redesign engine compartment, not easy, not cheap.

So yeah, they can show US a finger, but then US show them even bigger finger and thay can say bye for most of their modern equipment that will be just sitting in motorpools.



I don't sea any major modern french weapon systems, ex soviet equipment was upgraded with US made spare parts.


First off 40% of the components are manufactured in Egypt according to this source which also states that the goal is to make Egypt self-sufficient in tank production: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/m1a1.htm

There are many countries that manufacture fire control systems for the same type of cannon used by the M1A1 so modifications to the tank to fit other fire control systems would likely not be a major issue. Furthermore the T-55 Ramses II tanks that were upgraded are using common parts already widely used by Egyptian M60 tanks, many of which may already be built under license in Egypt. Severing ties would be costly, but if worse came to worse, The T-55's could always be updated again with other parts and engines as it is a fairly flexible tank for modifying (as the Israelies, Iraqis, and Russians have demonstrated).

As for major French weapon systems used by Egypt, you don't think that the Mirage 2000 is a major weapon system?
Other examples include:

Mirage 5
Alpha Jet
Gazelle Gunship

Furthermore if you look at their list of aircraft and tanks here, you can see that they still use a TON of Russian equipment and vehicles as well as many vehicles and aircraft from other countries like China, Poland, Norway, and the Czech Republic amongst others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Egyptian_Army

So I'd hardly call them dependent on the United States. Would it suck for them to lose US support? Yes. But it would not leave them defenseless. Iran is an example of where dispite losing U.S. patronage, they have been able to maintain and modernize alot of their old US equipment including F-5's, M60A1 tanks, F-4's, UH-1's, AH-1's, and even the notoriously difficult to maintain CH-47 Chinook. So yeah... definitely not the end of the world for Egypt if they give the finger to the U.S. That is a very dangerous assumption for American politicians to make if they believe they can control Egypt in this manner. Can they influence Egypt? Yes. But control and order Egypt through this? No.

As I mentioned, other Arab armies like Saudi Arabia do the same mixture of military hardware from multiple nations and its for this same reason. Iraq is doing the same.

Kieran :(
02-17-2011, 12:41 PM
No they don't, complete hulls and turrets + weapons, engine, transmission, firecontrol, ammunition are manufactured in US, then shipped to Egypt and assembled there.

I thought they only did that for the most recent ones and a while back they manufactured whole tanks themselves.


And what is briliant in this policy, allmost 100% of their AFV's use US components, even upgraded T-55's. Geat way to control other country.

Do you have any information links or pictures of the T-55's upgraded with US components?I know back in the 80s the US designed a upgraded T-55/Type 59 for the chinese.Or is this egyptian upgrade just a FCS and computers etc?

Damian90
02-17-2011, 12:47 PM
First off 40% of the components are manufactured in Egypt according to this source which also states that the goal is to make Egypt self-sufficient in tank production: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...egypt/m1a1.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/m1a1.htm)40% means nothing, without 100% they never will be self sufficent and US in reality will not allow anybody to manufacture M1 tanks on their own. One thing is official talking, the other is reality.


There are many countries that manufacture fire control systems for the same type of cannon used by the M1A1 so modifications to the tank to fit other fire control systems would likely not be a major issue.No it is not easy, tank is not a family car.

FCS need not only to met ballistic and quality performance but also need to fit in to interior of a tank. FCS is not only ballistic computer, it is also main sight assembly, not all sights will fit in to that assembly.


Furthermore the T-55 Ramses II tanks that were upgraded are using common parts already widely used by Egyptian M60 tanks, many of which may already be built under license in Egypt.Yes and may more parts are still availabale in US, but I agree that servicing M60 series and tanks using their components will be easier.

Still even upgraded T-55 and M60 are by today standard completely obsolete.


Severing ties would be costly, but if worse came to worse, The T-55's could always be updated again with other parts and engines as it is a fairly flexible tank for modifying (as the Israelies, Iraqis, and Russians have demonstrated). Yes that's true, but the goal is that the fleet of the best Egyptian tanks, this means M1A1's will be useless without spare parts and other major components. What will happen if in all gun tubes service life will end? And M256 gun is manufactured only in US and it's parts are different and not common with original Rhinemetall RH-M-120 gun.

And that goal was met, Egyptians think that they can manufacture M1A1 tanks but in reality they can manufacture only 40% not major parts like road wheels, torsion bars, maybe tracks etc. whule hulls, turrets, weapons, FCS, engines, transmission, gearboxes etc. are all manufactured in US.


As for major French weapon systems used by Egypt, you don't think that the Mirage 2000 is a major weapon system?
Other examples include:

Mirage 5
Alpha Jet
Gazelle GunshipKey word, modern.


Furthermore if you look at their list of aircraft and tanks here, you can see that they still use a TON of Russian equipment and vehicles as well as many vehicles and aircraft from other countries like China, Poland, Norway, and the Czech Republic amongst others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_..._Egyptian_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Egyptian_Army)
And?


So I'd hardly call them dependent on the United States. Would it suck for them to lose US support? Yes. But it would not leave them defenseless. Iran is an example of where dispite losing U.S. patronage, they have been able to maintain and modernize alot of their old US equipment including F-5's, M60A1 tanks, F-4's, UH-1's, AH-1's, and even the notoriously difficult to maintain CH-47 Chinook. So yeah... definitely not the end of the world for Egypt if they give the finger to the U.S. That is a very dangerous assumption for American politicians to make if they believe they can control Egypt in this manner. Can they influence Egypt? Yes. But control and order Egypt through this? No.
The point is, if Egyptians are sane, they will obey orders from US, if not, then the fleet of their best combat vehicles will be just sitting in motorpools, and then in any conflict they have less chances to fight at the same rules with enemy that have modern equipment. Same for other Arab countries.


As I mentioned, other Arab armies like Saudi Arabia do the same mixture of military hardware from multiple nations and its for this same reason. Iraq is doing the same. Yes but as I said, currently majority of their best weapon systems is made in US, if they don't have spare parts, they are in big troubles. Simple, You don't obey, ok, but after some time best equipment is useless without spare parts. Sure some vehicles will be canibalized, but after some time the last remnants will also be useless.

US is very carefull when providing spare parts. See how many spare engines and transmission for their M1A1's Iraq recieved.

It is good policy, still I'am against selling them most modern equipment. Upgraded M60's would be good enough for them.


I thought they only did that for the most recent ones and a while back they manufactured whole tanks themselves.

Yanks are not stupid, as I said, all major components are made in US and only in US. And there is even more, they produce new turrets for theirselfes and put them on heavy rebuilded hulls. It is information from one of the ARMOR Magazines about US tank modernizastion program.


Do you have any information links or pictures of the T-55's upgraded with US components?I know back in the 80s the US designed a upgraded T-55/Type 59 for the chinese.Or is this egyptian upgrade just a FCS and computers etc?

Gun is L7/M68 105mm rifled. FCS, suspension, engine, transmission are all from M60 series. Maybe something more from M60 tanks are used in these upgraded T-55's.

wigon
02-18-2011, 12:27 AM
40% means nothing, without 100% they never will be self sufficent and US in reality will not allow anybody to manufacture M1 tanks on their own. One thing is official talking, the other is reality.

No it is not easy, tank is not a family car.


Actually it's not that different. Again see the Iran example.




FCS need not only to met ballistic and quality performance but also need to fit in to interior of a tank. FCS is not only ballistic computer, it is also main sight assembly, not all sights will fit in to that assembly.

And you seriously don't think that Arab engineers can't figure out how to fit them in? Again see Iranian defense industry and see Jordanian defense industries for examples of this (not to mention our Jewish buddies).



Yes and may more parts are still availabale in US, but I agree that servicing M60 series and tanks using their components will be easier.

Still even upgraded T-55 and M60 are by today standard completely obsolete.


Not really. Obsolete against what? Merkava Mk4 and Abrams? Yes. Against a neighbors Chieftain or T-72? No. That's why Egypt has the big boy Abrams. I'm quite sure that event the "monkey model" of Abrams could do some serious dammage to Israeli Merkava Mk4 tanks if used by competent crewmen.



Yes that's true, but the goal is that the fleet of the best Egyptian tanks, this means M1A1's will be useless without spare parts and other major components. What will happen if in all gun tubes service life will end? And M256 gun is manufactured only in US and it's parts are different and not common with original Rhinemetall RH-M-120 gun.

That's not a huge deal. Gun systems are upgraded and swapped out all the time on Middle Eastern tanks. The larger issue on the M1 tanks would be whether or not the new cannon could fire the same standard NATO 120mm ammo (and my guess is "yes").



And that goal was met, Egyptians think that they can manufacture M1A1 tanks but in reality they can manufacture only 40% not major parts like road wheels, torsion bars, maybe tracks etc. whule hulls, turrets, weapons, FCS, engines, transmission, gearboxes etc. are all manufactured in US.

And you have a list of parts they manufacture from what source exactly???? You are making alot of assumptions.



The point is, if Egyptians are sane, they will obey orders from US, if not, then the fleet of their best combat vehicles will be just sitting in motorpools, and then in any conflict they have less chances to fight at the same rules with enemy that have modern equipment. Same for other Arab countries.


A false assumption as I've already demonstrated by pointing towards successful Iranian upgrades of Western armor and aircraft. But you are welcome to ignore the fact that Iran has successfully been able to maintain and even upgrade Western equipment dispite embargoes.



Yes but as I said, currently majority of their best weapon systems is made in US, if they don't have spare parts, they are in big troubles. Simple, You don't obey, ok, but after some time best equipment is useless without spare parts. Sure some vehicles will be canibalized, but after some time the last remnants will also be useless.

US is very carefull when providing spare parts. See how many spare engines and transmission for their M1A1's Iraq recieved.


Yes you repeated yourself. Again... look at Iran. If the Egyptian military sincerely wanted to maintain their M1's I think they'd have NO PROBLEMS finding Chinese, Russian, German, or French engineers and armor experts willing to make a lot of money getting these tanks modified and fully working with non-American systems.



It is good policy, still I'am against selling them most modern equipment. Upgraded M60's would be good enough for them.


That's all fine and good, but that is a fantasy and NOT reality. The reality is that our Industrial Defense Complex in America is willing to sell out America for the sake of scoring some serious money. Even worse the biggest supporters of these corporations tend to be Republicans.
Yeah, do a little research and challenge your favorite Republican Senator or Congresssman about that and then actually see who they've voted on such issues.



Yanks are not stupid, as I said, all major components are made in US and only in US. And there is even more, they produce new turrets for theirselfes and put them on heavy rebuilded hulls. It is information from one of the ARMOR Magazines about US tank modernizastion program.



Gun is L7/M68 105mm rifled. FCS, suspension, engine, transmission are all from M60 series. Maybe something more from M60 tanks are used in these upgraded T-55's.[/QUOTE]

Damian90
02-18-2011, 07:38 AM
Actually it's not that different. Again see the Iran example.

And what Iran have to do with this? They never made major upgrade to any western tank, not to mention any modern western tank. And if You think about Zulfiqar series, this are not tanks, but a bad joke.


And you seriously don't think that Arab engineers can't figure out how to fit them in? Again see Iranian defense industry and see Jordanian defense industries for examples of this (not to mention our Jewish buddies).

Sure they can figure out, just doing dedicated version, but they have money and know-how for that? Israeli designers on the other hand have very good cooperation with US designers.

Jordanians also made new things but, I don't know, Falcon turret is not the optimal choice for a tank as armament subsystem, there were better designs of such class.


Not really. Obsolete against what? Merkava Mk4 and Abrams? Yes. Against a neighbors Chieftain or T-72? No. That's why Egypt has the big boy Abrams. I'm quite sure that event the "monkey model" of Abrams could do some serious dammage to Israeli Merkava Mk4 tanks if used by competent crewmen.

1) Yes M60 and T-55 are obsolete against T-72 series, especially newer ones, imported from ex-WarPac countries (these have better armor than monkey models made in USSR for Arab countries). Yes T-55 is also obsolete against Chieftain.

2) Yes well trained crew in downgraded export variant of M1A1 or M1A2 tank can damage, disable or destroy Merkava Mk.3 or Mk.4. Still the problem can be ammunition, dunno how Mk.3 will handle that but Mk.4 is rather well protected against kinetic energy rounds (APFSDS) with tungsten alloy penetrators used by Egyptians and other Arab countries using M1 tanks. They use KEW, KEW-A1 and KEW-A2 APFSDS ammo, performance of this ammunition is rather avarage.


That's not a huge deal. Gun systems are upgraded and swapped out all the time on Middle Eastern tanks. The larger issue on the M1 tanks would be whether or not the new cannon could fire the same standard NATO 120mm ammo (and my guess is "yes").

In theory M256 gun can fire all types of NATO 120mm ammo for smoothbore guns, in reality it is much more complex issue, the gun itself without any modifications can fire such ammo, but fire control system needs modification. This means swapping a something we can call memory cards with ballistic and other data of specific ammunition. If You don't have these memory cards, then it is all useless.


And you have a list of parts they manufacture from what source exactly???? You are making alot of assumptions.

From my memory, I read a lot of things about tanks, I have books etc. These info's are from official sources IRCC, sorry I can't figure out however from where I get them. But I'am 100% certain, no major components, no hull and turrets are made in Egypt.


A false assumption as I've already demonstrated by pointing towards successful Iranian upgrades of Western armor and aircraft. But you are welcome to ignore the fact that Iran has successfully been able to maintain and even upgrade Western equipment dispite embargoes.

What succes? They never upgraded these weapon systems... but I can accept that You actually believe in propaganda. Made by morons by the way. Despite fact that people there are inteligent, I can't believe that people that rule them are so stupid.


Yes you repeated yourself. Again... look at Iran. If the Egyptian military sincerely wanted to maintain their M1's I think they'd have NO PROBLEMS finding Chinese, Russian, German, or French engineers and armor experts willing to make a lot of money getting these tanks modified and fully working with non-American systems.

The closest to do that will be Germans, some Leopard 2 tank components are based on so called common parts made in US, like some elements of EMES-15. As for the rest, it is not so easy to modify something without degradade original capabilities.

And there is also other problem, licence and if US even allow to do that.


That's all fine and good, but that is a fantasy and NOT reality. The reality is that our Industrial Defense Complex in America is willing to sell out America for the sake of scoring some serious money. Even worse the biggest supporters of these corporations tend to be Republicans.
Yeah, do a little research and challenge your favorite Republican Senator or Congresssman about that and then actually see who they've voted on such issues.

Actually not such thing ever happend. US is one of the most restriced countries to sell important military technologies. To Your description closer are European countries that are willing to sell full combat capabale versions of their weapon systems, better even, than versions they are using, see Leopard 2 series used by Germany and exported versions of Leopard 2 Improved.

khukuri
04-04-2011, 07:56 PM
Description
The Bar'er ATGW system consists of two main components; the actual missile in its launch tube and the laser guidance module and associated operating controls.Method of guidance is Semi-Automatic Command to Line Of Sight (SACLOS) and all the operator has to do is to keep his sight and the associated laser beam on the target until missile impact. The missile has a maximum range of 5,500 m and time to this range is 23.4 seconds with an average speed of 260 m/s. This missile is also referred to as the R2 by the Ukraine.The missile is fitted with a tandem High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) warhead that is claimed will penetrate up to 800 mm of steel armour protected by Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA). Although its primary role is to engage threat MBTs and other AFVs, it also has a secondary role against other battlefield targets including bunkers and slow flying helicopters.While the first example of the Bar'er ATGW is fitted with a tandem HEAT warhead, it is considered possible that in the future alternative warheads could be developed including a thermobarioc type.

Much appreciated, never heard of barer before. Is this type of laser designation old school or is it standard in todays ATGMS?


regards

khukuri
04-04-2011, 08:33 PM
Nothing exciting's been happening on the military front in Iraq.

The air force:
2 EC635 helicopters have been received
16 SA342 gazelle helicopters (hand me downs from france) are being inducted as an interim stop gap until all 50 EC635s are delivered from France
8 T6A texans have begun the advanced training portion of the Iraqi airforce fighter pilot programme at the reopened tikrit air academy (7 more texans to be delivered by year end).
9 Lasta 95s are being used for the basic training alongside the Cessna 172s and Cessna 208s.
Iraq may be exercising an option for 40 additional Lasta 95 trainers in addition to their current 20 aircraft order.
3 Bell 407s have been delivered to prepare the Iraqi airforce for the induction of the Bell 407 Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter programme (50 helicopters) - these are being used alongside 10 OH-58 Kiowa helicopters on lease from the US Army.


The Iraqi navy
received the last 2 of a total of 4 Saettia MK4 patrol ships (56m)
Has sent crews for training in Louisiana on the new swiftships fast patrol boats (35m)
Has awarded a contract to a for the construction and delivery of 2 Riverhawk Offshore Support Vessels (65m)


The Iraqi government has signed a $2.5Bn agreement with Ukraine for the supply of weapons to Iraq's military.
The first phase includes the following:
-400 BTR4 Armoured Personel carriers equipped with ATGMs
-6 AN32B transports with an option for 4 more
The above contract is worth $550M if all options are exercised.

In addition, the remainder $1.95Bn is still being finalised but discussions include the supply of:
-OPLOT Main Battle Tanks
-Gayduk Corvettes



Do you know why both serbian and american plane trainers? i dont get it?

Hellfish
04-04-2011, 08:37 PM
Do you know why both serbian and american plane trainers? i dont get it?

More baksheesh to go around?

calimero2
04-22-2011, 01:21 AM
First party of BTR-4's for Iraq:

http://www.ukrspecexport.com/photo/btr4/SIP_1711dotjpg
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/photo/btr4/SIP_1719dotjpg
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/photo/btr4/SIP_1749dotjpg
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/photo/btr4/SIP_1769dotjpg
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/photo/btr4/SIP_1774dotjpg
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/photo/btr4/SIP_1784dotjpg



Ukraine starts first BTR-4 shipment to Iraq

The Kharkiv Malyshev Plant is making the first shipment of armored personnel carriers to Iraq. The 26 BTR-4 have been made in fulfillment of the $550 million contract.

Plant Commercial Director Mykola Belov told reporters in Kharkiv on April 20 that the shipment, which started on April 19, would be complete on April 21. The armored personnel carriers will reach Iraq within a month.

Ukraine will supply 20 regular APCs, four command APCs and two medical APCs, he said.

The second shipment of 62 armored personnel carriers will be ready by September and supplied in a period coordinated with the client, he said.

In all, Iraq may receive about 400 BTR-4 vehicles by the end of next year, Belov said.

The Progress foreign trade company, a subsidiary of Ukrspecexport, signed the $550 million contract with Iraq in 2009. The deal may start a series of bilateral military-technical contracts.

The document provides the delivery of over 400 armored personnel carriers, among them BTR-4, and six light planes Antonov An-32 and repairs of aircraft within the next 3-3.5 years.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/business/bus_general/detail/102614/#ixzz1KE5zLba4


Posted earlier in another thread:


New built BTR-4
http://i048.radikal.ru/1103/66/8d8b97d57040dotjpg
http://s19.radikal.ru/i192/1103/34/37b2616566b5dotjpg
http://i077.radikal.ru/1103/29/daa41a05f78fdotjpg
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/



http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/btr4.php

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2729/btr49dotjpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2104/btr48dotjpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4425/btr47dotjpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7026/btr410dotjpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5851/btr42dotjpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/879/btr41dotjpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6090/btr43dotjpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9042/btr44dotjpg
http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/369/btr46dotjpg
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3792/btr411dotjpg

More photos from http://mil.in.ua/fotoreportazhi/irak-pidpysav-akt-pryyomu-26-btr-4

jaegermeistr
04-22-2011, 04:36 AM
a party without any hats?



Beutiful apcs, love them :)

Zeev
04-22-2011, 07:10 AM
Does anyone have news about the future iraqi af? I'm surprised that the Iraqi army is still empty of any jet fighters.... And it's hard to believe that it is for economical reasons.

Al-Bundy
04-22-2011, 07:19 AM
Does anyone have news about the future iraqi af? I'm surprised that the Iraqi army is still empty of any jet fighters.... And it's hard to believe that it is for economical reasons.
IMO the airforce is now tha last thing they need.
They need better training of special forces/police/army/intelligence, better equipment to fight terrorists that plant bombs, that the real Iraqi problem.

SoSo
04-22-2011, 07:32 AM
Can we leave Iraq before that country is capable of defending its own airspace?

Zeev
04-22-2011, 07:37 AM
IMO the airforce is now tha last thing they need.
They need better training of special forces/police/army/intelligence, better equipment to fight terrorists that plant bombs, that the real Iraqi problem.
Yes they have priorities indeed, but iraq is supposedly now a sovereign state, and it is a country with a vast territory to cover. So even if currently it is the USAF that help to enforce this job, I can't imagine that such a country like iraq stay much longer without a proper air force, only for a symbolic purpose of a few dozen planes to start...

kurdman
04-22-2011, 08:25 AM
Come on guys... the USA does not want to leave Iraq! besides, around 70% of Iraqs budget is blown on civil salary! and what's the point of having an air force when your people don't have electricity, proper sewage systems, public transport and just about anything else that you'd find 'normal' to have.

Token White Guy
04-22-2011, 10:09 AM
From today's thread. Nice looking pictures.


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Desert Scorpion
04-23-2011, 10:38 PM
Iraq.. some more photos of Lion's leap exercise. The 12th infantry Division and the Army aviation command executed joint exercise south of Baghdad

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Desert Scorpion
04-23-2011, 10:43 PM
The first batch of BTR-4 APCs is shipped to Iraq.. This batch consists of 26 vehicles. Also shipped to the customer were truck-based mobile maintenance workshops and simulators intended for training crews. All these products were tested and accepted by the customer representatives in March this year.

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Desert Scorpion
04-25-2011, 01:23 AM
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CAMP TAJI, Iraq -- An Iraqi Army Aviation Command.. NVG shot for Iraqi Mi-17 on its taxi way to the runway
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Iraqi aircrew sitting on back ramp of their Mi-17 after taking off from CAMP TAJI, north Baghdad
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Tow Iraqi Mi-17s flies their way toward BESMAYA RANGE COMPLEX, south Baghdad. prior to a joint military demonstration.

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Lion leap's is a joint military demonstration, multi-phase exercises designed to further integrate the Iraqi air force, Iraqi Army Aviation Command and Iraqi army

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finally this ain't Mars! it's actually the Iraqi flight line at Camp Taji on sandstorm.

Desert Scorpion
04-25-2011, 02:21 AM
Iraqi Army Aviation Command recent activities
Iraqi instructors take lead

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After more than five years advising and training alongside Iraqi pilots in the cockpit, U.S. Huey advisors step back, Iraqi instructors take lead
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CAMP TAJI, Iraq -- An Iraqi Army Aviation Command UH-1 Huey takes off for the last airborne U.S advisory mission. After more than five years advising and training alongside Iraqi pilots in the cockpit,

Desert Scorpion
04-25-2011, 05:26 AM
The Iraqi air force's 80th anniversary celebration

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AL-MUTHANA AIR BASE, Iraq -- Lt. Gen. Anwar Ahmed, Iraqi air force commander, thanks Iraq Training and Advisory Mission - Air advisors for their efforts during his country's 80th anniversary celebration.
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AL-MUTHANA AIR BASE, Iraq -- Iraqi rotary wing pilots cite the oath of allegiance during the Iraqi air force's 80th anniversary celebration
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Dozens of U.S. Air Force and Army advisors attended the Iraqi air force's 80th anniversary celebration. The event included speeches from various high level IqAF officials and dignitaries, as well as a graduation ceremony for more than a dozen rotary wing pilots.
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Iraq – Gen. Babakir Zebari, Chief of Staff, Joint Headquarters, pins the wings on one of the newest graduates from flight training school during a ceremony.
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Iraq – An Iraqi air force pilot explains the details of his aircraft to the Iraqi Chairman of the Defense and Security Committee of Parliament (black suit) during Iraqi air force day.

Desert Scorpion
05-04-2011, 01:26 AM
Operation Lions Leap


Operation Lions leap was the largest joint-military exercise in Iraqi history since 2003 involving the Iraqi Army, Navy, Air Force and Special Forces Operations.

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Basra, Iraq – ISOF commandos with the 6th Regional Commando Battalion prepare to assault an objective during Operation Lions Leap at Khor Al Zubair, after being dropped off by Iraqi Army aviation helicopter

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Iraqi Special Forces commandos with the 6th Regional Commando Battalion form a single-line formation as they prepare to assault an objective at Khor Al Zubair.

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Basra, Iraq – An Iraqi Army aviation Helicopter launches simulated missiles at an objective at Khor Al Zubair

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Iraqi Security Forces launch artillery rounds into one of the objectives at Khor Al Zubair,

Desert Scorpion
05-04-2011, 01:34 AM
From the 29th April 2011 thread.


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KEEPER0311
05-04-2011, 01:47 AM
It's all good seeing the highspeed unit. How about the regular IA's and IP's.

Desert Scorpion
06-16-2011, 08:28 AM
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Baghdad, Iraq - the arrival of the EC-635 for the Army aviation command

Desert Scorpion
06-16-2011, 08:38 AM
It's all good seeing the highspeed unit. How about the regular IA's and IP's.

I don't want to sound harsh on my judgement here but they are more like a notional guards!

Desert Scorpion
06-30-2011, 10:25 AM
Diyala, Iraq
Provincial Police practice crime scene preservation

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Sgt. Bilal, a team leader with the Diyala Province Emergency Response Force, briefs 1st Lt. Ali Khalid, officer in charge of the Crime Scene Management Team, on information gathered at a simulated crime scene after securing the area during a training exercise in Baquba, Iraq

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Members of the Diyala Provincial Police Force Crime Scene Management Team mark, document and collect evidence at a simulated murder scene during a training exercise.

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An Iraqi Policeman with the Diyala Province Emergency Response Force moves tactically to provide over watch on a new crime scene during a training exercise.

entheogen
06-30-2011, 06:43 PM
Where did bottom 3 pictures come from?

Desert Scorpion
07-02-2011, 02:21 AM
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From Today's PIX!! Thursday , June 30th, 2011

Desert Scorpion
07-02-2011, 02:22 AM
Iraqi soldiers use urban tactics to eliminate threat at GWTC

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IA soldier signals others..CONTINGENCY OPERATING SITE MAREZ, Iraq – After getting into position, a soldier motions for a platoon of soldiers to assault a building during urban operations training at Ghuzlani Warrior Training Center, Iraq

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Iraqi soldiers advance from fighting positions along a ditch to assault an objective during training at the Ghuzlani Warrior Training Center

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Iraqi soldiers move toward an ambush point during training at Ghuzlani Warrior Training Center

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Iraq – Soldiers advance on line toward their objective during weapons familiarization training at Ghuzlani Warrior Training Center

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Iraq – Soldiers provide security while fellow soldiers run to secondary fighting positions during training at Ghuzlani Warrior Training Center

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Soldiers assigned to 1st Battalion, 11th Brigade, 3rd Iraqi Army Division, prepare to clear simulated enemy fighters from a building during urban operations training

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A soldier provides inner cordon security while fellow soldiers search a building during urban operations training

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Iraq – Lt. Col. John Cushing, commander, 1st Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Advise and Assist Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, kneels beside Iraqi soldiers providing support by fire during a battalion live fire exercise at Ghuzlani Warrior Training Center

Desert Scorpion
07-02-2011, 02:50 AM
Operation Iron Lion

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Iraqi security forces conducting a culminating exercise

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Iraqi soldiers are scheduled to begin Operation Iron Lion, an ongoing series of exercises designed to showcase cooperative abilities of several Iraqi Security Forces agencies

you also can watch all the showing activities on this clip

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steelfury
07-02-2011, 05:37 AM
So weird and kind of cool to see iraqi troops over the years take on the traits of Us troops. At least the dedicated ones, all the motto stuff and how they operate,carry weapons and of course try to look badass with shades..lol

These guys look pretty good though. this unit (sf) look like they take it seriously.

Desert Scorpion
07-02-2011, 06:51 AM
These guys look pretty good though. this unit (sf) look like they take it seriously.

Do they have another choice but to be dead serious? this is an example of what those guys face on almost weekly bases.

Graphic

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Desert Scorpion
07-07-2011, 01:34 AM
Iraq:remains of 32 Iraqi soldiers repatriated


The remains of 32 Iraqi soldiers killed during the 1990-1991 Gulf War were repatriated on Monday 4 July 2011

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The Kuwaiti and Iraqi authorities cooperated fully in the repatriation operation. In its role as a neutral intermediary, the ICRC placed delegates on both sides of the border to ensure that the handover proceeded smoothly.