U.S. sells armament to Mexico

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

The United States will transfer-sell to Mexico up to $350 million dollars according to the 2007 transfer sells to allied countrys in the package approved by the U.S. includes electronic survaillance equipment,office equipment,transport vehicules M-35, assault vehicules HUMVEE´s,aircraft equipment and parts for aircraft like the E-2 hawkeye,night vision equipment,close to 200 parts for F-16 aircraft,turbine engines for F-110, 3 helicopters (posible Black Hacks), 65,000 artilllery,2,900 AR-15 assualt rifles,electronic equipment,M-113´s APC, and the U.S will also transfer 1 Communications Satellite.

The United States is also planning to transfer to Mexico two recently decommissioned amphibious ships. The two (formerly USS Ogden and USS Cleveland) are Austin class LPDs that entered service in the 1960s. These are large ships, 570 feet long and displacing 17,000 tons. The flight deck can hold half a dozen large helicopters, and support simultaneous landings and takeoffs. The well deck can hold up to 24 landing craft (like AAVs), or four lighter type boats, for transferring cargo and personnel. These ships require a crew of 420, and can carry up to 800 combat troops.

These LPDs are basically floating patrol boat and helicopter bases. The troops berthing spaces could be used for storing relief supplies, in addition to the space already available for some 2,000 tons of supplies and equipment. There are also seven cranes on board (one 30-ton and six 4-ton cranes). The elevator from the flight deck to the hanger deck can carry eight tons. There are tanks for 224,500 gallons of aviation fuel and 119,000 gallons of vehicle fuel.

To build new, the Austin class ships would cost about a billion dollars each. They cost the U.S. Navy about two million dollars a month to operate, but the Mexican navy, with a lower operating tempo and lower labor costs, could probably operate them for about half a million dollars a month each. The Mexican Navy is probably the most professional of their services, and is highly regarded by American officers and sailors who have worked with them. This probably played a part in the decision to hand over these still very capable two large ships.

http://www.ogden.navy.mil/LPD-5.image.jpg

http://www.cusnc.navy.mil/images/lo/030822-N-3211R-002.jpg

LPD 5 Ogden


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/images/lpd-5.gif USS OGDEN is one of the mainstays of the Amphibious Force of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. She was commissioned in New York in June 1965, and is the second ship to bear the name OGDEN.
Named for the city of Ogden, Utah, USS OGDEN has the ability to project the power of more than 900 troops, along with their equipment and air support, ashore.
OGDEN is the fifth amphibious transport dock (LPD), the second of the Austin class, designed to give the Navy the capability to simultaneously launch assaults by sea and air. With helicopters and medium landing craft, OGDEN can project ashore more than 900 combat troops with full combat equipment against enemy beaches and inland areas. OGDEN has a length of 570 feet and a beam of 108 feet. When fully loaded, she displaces more than 17,000 tons. All of the OGDEN's capabilities have been tested and proven during 14 extended deployments to the Western Pacific, including support of U.S. Armed Forces in Vietnam, the Persian Gulf during Operation DESERT SHIELD and DESERT STORM and in Somalia for Operation UNITED SHIELD. OGDEN proudly displays the Navy Unit Commendation, the Meritorious Unit Commendation, the Battle Efficiency Award, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, the Southwest Asia Service Medal, the Joint Meritorious Unit Award, and the Coast Guard Special Operations Service Ribbon.
On December 1, 2001 OGDEN once again answered her country's call by deploying nearly 2 months early in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. Ogden is currently deployed under PHIBRON THREE as a member of BONHOMME RICHARD Amphibious Ready Group. The crest of USS OGDEN contains on one side a small flower, and on the other, a bee. The flower represents OGDEN’S continued mission of peace and humanitarian service. The bee represents the ship’s response whenever the crew or our nation’s allies are threatened. When the time comes, USS OGDEN is like a hive from which emits the swift and potent power of the US Marine Corp.

[LaoSexMachine]

I hated living on those. I was on the USS Juneau, which is also an LPD. It sucked. We nicknamed it the "USS Amistad".


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[Aztec Eagle 201st]

In the past i post that a friend of mine who use to be a Special Forces and works with me as my supervisor, he still have a lot of military friends he told me that the Mexican Army were getting aprox. 1´500 Hummvees in 2007 to add to the existing 3´500 we already have . It looks like he was right.

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P.S.

USS OGDEN LPD- Interesting facts

The well deck is 165 feet by 49 feet and accommodates up to nine assault landing craft at one time.
Ogden's upper vehicle stowage area alone contains 7,269 square feet of stowage capacity and can accommodate 47 three-quarter ton trucks.
With helicopters and medium landing craft, Ogden can project ashore more than 900 combat troops with full combat equipment against enemy beaches and inland areas.
Ogden has a length of 570 feet and a beam of 108 feet.
When fully loaded, she displaces more than 17,000 tons.
Her fuel capacity of over 700,000 gallons gives the ship a cruising range equal to a distance halfway around the world.
Ogden can store more than 100,000 gallons of fresh water in her tanks, while two freshwater distilling plants can generate an additional 60,000 gallons a day.
Ogden has a crew of 25 officers and 400 enlisted men.

[AztecMex]

The United States will transfer-sell to Mexico up to $350 million dollars according to the 2007 transfer sells to allied countrys in the package approved by the U.S. includes electronic survaillance equipment,office equipment,transport vehicules M-35, assault vehicules HUMVEE´s,aircraft equipment and parts for aircraft like the E-2 hawkeye,night vision equipment,close to 200 parts for F-16 aircraft,turbine engines for F-110, 3 helicopters (posible Black Hacks), 65,000 artilllery,2,900 AR-15 assualt rifles,electronic equipment,M-113´s APC, and the U.S will also transfer 1 Communications Satellite.

The United States is also planning to transfer to Mexico two recently decommissioned amphibious ships. The two (formerly USS Ogden and USS Cleveland) are Austin class LPDs that entered service in the 1960s. These are large ships, 570 feet long and displacing 17,000 tons. The flight deck can hold half a dozen large helicopters, and support simultaneous landings and takeoffs. The well deck can hold up to 24 landing craft (like AAVs), or four lighter type boats, for transferring cargo and personnel. These ships require a crew of 420, and can carry up to 800 combat troops.

These LPDs are basically floating patrol boat and helicopter bases. The troops berthing spaces could be used for storing relief supplies, in addition to the space already available for some 2,000 tons of supplies and equipment. There are also seven cranes on board (one 30-ton and six 4-ton cranes). The elevator from the flight deck to the hanger deck can carry eight tons. There are tanks for 224,500 gallons of aviation fuel and 119,000 gallons of vehicle fuel.

To build new, the Austin class ships would cost about a billion dollars each. They cost the U.S. Navy about two million dollars a month to operate, but the Mexican navy, with a lower operating tempo and lower labor costs, could probably operate them for about half a million dollars a month each. The Mexican Navy is probably the most professional of their services, and is highly regarded by American officers and sailors who have worked with them. This probably played a part in the decision to hand over these still very capable two large ships.

http://www.ogden.navy.mil/LPD-5.image.jpg

http://www.cusnc.navy.mil/images/lo/030822-N-3211R-002.jpg

LPD 5 Ogden


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/images/lpd-5.gif USS OGDEN is one of the mainstays of the Amphibious Force of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. She was commissioned in New York in June 1965, and is the second ship to bear the name OGDEN.
Named for the city of Ogden, Utah, USS OGDEN has the ability to project the power of more than 900 troops, along with their equipment and air support, ashore.
OGDEN is the fifth amphibious transport dock (LPD), the second of the Austin class, designed to give the Navy the capability to simultaneously launch assaults by sea and air. With helicopters and medium landing craft, OGDEN can project ashore more than 900 combat troops with full combat equipment against enemy beaches and inland areas. OGDEN has a length of 570 feet and a beam of 108 feet. When fully loaded, she displaces more than 17,000 tons. All of the OGDEN's capabilities have been tested and proven during 14 extended deployments to the Western Pacific, including support of U.S. Armed Forces in Vietnam, the Persian Gulf during Operation DESERT SHIELD and DESERT STORM and in Somalia for Operation UNITED SHIELD. OGDEN proudly displays the Navy Unit Commendation, the Meritorious Unit Commendation, the Battle Efficiency Award, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, the Southwest Asia Service Medal, the Joint Meritorious Unit Award, and the Coast Guard Special Operations Service Ribbon.
On December 1, 2001 OGDEN once again answered her country's call by deploying nearly 2 months early in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. Ogden is currently deployed under PHIBRON THREE as a member of BONHOMME RICHARD Amphibious Ready Group. The crest of USS OGDEN contains on one side a small flower, and on the other, a bee. The flower represents OGDEN’S continued mission of peace and humanitarian service. The bee represents the ship’s response whenever the crew or our nation’s allies are threatened. When the time comes, USS OGDEN is like a hive from which emits the swift and potent power of the US Marine Corp.
Where did you get that info?200 F-16 parts does that mean they are getting F-16s!woot and do you know what artillery

[Ghelp]

Nice LPD.Maybe Mexican Navy can expand to a aircraft carrier in the near future.

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

to AztecMex.. 1st ...The information i gatter its from Mexico City Newspaper REFORMA from today´s date, it was also posted in some Mexican Military online forums.

2nd...The F-16 parts wich are closer to 190 parts,will mostly be used in the F-5 wich we already have,aswell as the F-110 engines. so i guess NO we are not getting any F-16.

3rd... The Mexican Navy will NOT get any aircraft carrier not presently or in the near future its to costly and we have no use for it.
if this LPD´s make there way in to the Mexican Navy they will indeed give Mexico a formidable Amphibious proyection the Ogden and its sister ship the Cleveland there basically Helicopter Carriers they will become the largest Mexican Ships,the Ogden will be decommission on 21 February 2007.

What would Mexico do with these two ships? Mexico has a very long coastline, which is not well-endowed with ports or even good sheltered harbors. A couple of Austins would be very useful in the event operations have to occur in such areas. In a word, disaster relief and coastal patrol.

[ViktorNavorski]

65,000 artilllery
Can someone explain that?

[Cipher]

Can someone explain that?
Howitzers, maybe?

[AztecMex]

to AztecMex.. 1st ...The information i gatter its from Mexico City Newspaper REFORMA from today´s date, it was also posted in some Mexican Military online forums.

2nd...The F-16 parts wich are closer to 190 parts,will mostly be used in the F-5 wich we already have,aswell as the F-110 engines. so i guess NO we are not getting any F-16.

3rd... The Mexican Navy will NOT get any aircraft carrier not presently or in the near future its to costly and we have no use for it.
if this LPD´s make there way in to the Mexican Navy they will indeed give Mexico a formidable Amphibious proyection the Ogden and its sister ship the Cleveland there basically Helicopter Carriers they will become the largest Mexican Ships,the Ogden will be decommission on 21 February 2007.

What would Mexico do with these two ships? Mexico has a very long coastline, which is not well-endowed with ports or even good sheltered harbors. A couple of Austins would be very useful in the event operations have to occur in such areas. In a word, disaster relief and coastal patrol.
Awww F-16s would have made me a very happy mexican:) But i never knew that F-16 parts are compatable with the F-5 but i think its time to replace the F-5s.I really hope to see some austin class ships in the mexican navy.

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

Can someone explain that?

I apologized since i could not find a word to translate FUSILES DE ARTILLERIA supposedly we are getting 65,000 of them, i dont know what they mean?? i would think they mean Howitzers. Basic translation is ARITLLERY GUNS.

[szr]

I think the confusion is about the number of artillery pieces--65k is a lot of guns...

[AztecMex]

I found out from my step father that was in the houndaras army it means Amo for artillery enless they call it different in mexico.

[ViktorNavorski]

I think the confusion is about the number of artillery pieces--65k is a lot of guns...Yup, my jaw dropped when I saw that, surely they don't mean 65,000 artillery guns!

[nick_ua]

jankyard sale is on

[wicked_hind]

Perhaps it means 65,000 artillery shells, most definitely 105mm. As for the F-16 parts and F-110 engines, those are NOT compatible for the F-5 aircraft, as the G.E. F-110 is too large to fit in the F-5 fuselage. It could be possible that the Mexicans could get updated Block 30 or Block 40 F-16Cs since those are powered by the GE engines. I wouldn't jump to conclusions though. However, seeing an F-16 wearing FAM markings could very well be a possibility.

[~center~]

LOL... I've been on both those ships as a Marine and there both floating turds. I guess there better than nothing though.

[CG51]

Can someone explain that?

Has to be munitions.

[Wolfpack]

Perhaps it means 65,000 artillery shells, most definitely 105mm. As for the F-16 parts and F-110 engines, those are NOT compatible for the F-5 aircraft, as the G.E. F-110 is too large to fit in the F-5 fuselage. It could be possible that the Mexicans could get updated Block 30 or Block 40 F-16Cs since those are powered by the GE engines. I wouldn't jump to conclusions though. However, seeing an F-16 wearing FAM markings could very well be a possibility.

We aint gonna get f16, we have been ussing components from the f16 to keep our f5 up in the air for a looong loong timemate. We have lots of skills in mechnaichs and engeenering.

Back in time when mexico firts got the hercules the US didnt bother to sell us the tools to do maintenance. But that didnt stop the techis at fam, we developed and modified lot of tools and spares.
When the us came overhere to teach us how to maintain our hercules they got surpirsed by the resourcefullnes we developed, they never imagined that such thing was possible. Legend says that they challenged a crew of mexican tecs to do the same job as they on an engenie, Each crew with its tools. US crew loose.

[isthvan]

We aint gonna get f16, we have been ussing components from the f16 to keep our f5 up in the air for a looong loong timemate. We have lots of skills in mechnaichs and engeenering.

Back in time when mexico firts got the hercules the US didnt bother to sell us the tools to do maintenance. But that didnt stop the techis at fam, we developed and modified lot of tools and spares.
When the us came overhere to teach us how to maintain our hercules they got surpirsed by the resourcefullnes we developed, they never imagined that such thing was possible. Legend says that they challenged a crew of mexican tecs to do the same job as they on an engenie, Each crew with its tools. US crew loose.

Mate you can have as much skills in mechanic and engineering as you wont but you will not be able to use F-16 parts and G.E. F-110 engine on your F-5. It is physically impossible to put F-110 in F-5 fuselage... So either is Mexico getting F-16s or writer of this article get some things wrong...

[Ordie]

The Mexican press is notorious for getting military nomenclature wrong. There is little fact checking and the headlines are made to sell newspapers in a very competitive market.

[Ordie]

With the import of AR-15', I wonder what will happen to the current domestic assault rifle program.

The M-113 and satellite will be a welcomed addition.

The LPD will make a good "mother ship" for the interceptor boats and light helicopters. The docking area is ideal fit for the Combatboat and the hanger could fit a couple of Dauphins or MD-90's. The next progression is the ability to launch and recover UAVs and developing folding rotors on the Mi-17s.

Given the size of the LPD, I presume that these are the largest vessels Mexican Navy ever had.

[Wolfpack]

Dont know for shure, not my arena, but we have been doing so for a long time.

"With the import of AR-15', I wonder what will happen to the current domestic assault rifle program."



Do You all wanna hear something stupid ? This is very important spread the word around.

The so called fx o5 project of the indigenous developed rifle for the mexican army was a complete failure. The general in charge of the project decided that it was far more cheaper and better for his own agenda (as the possible next ministry of defense) to cut bonds with german industry and comercial arrangements about licenced assembly of the g36v and began a diferent project "fx05" and claim it as his own and great achivement.

Project wich bassicly was an unlicenced and a modified copy of the g36v.

When the rifle was made public in sept 06 germans and H&K began a legal and comercial dispute wich so far is lost to mexican army. When the **** hited the fan months ago, the quoted general was punished and didnt recived the secretariat and the project was finished. It gave us a comercial and a political head ache. Last information is that germans demand the destructiosn of the all ready built batches of fx05, and licended production of g36v is due to began in short time.

Nice story isnt it.

[AztecMex]

Dont know for shure, not my arena, but we have been doing so for a long time.

"With the import of AR-15', I wonder what will happen to the current domestic assault rifle program."



Do You all wanna hear something stupid ? This is very important spread the word around.

The so called fx o5 project of the indigenous developed rifle for the mexican army was a complete failure. The general in charge of the project decided that it was far more cheaper and better for his own agenda (as the possible next ministry of defense) to cut bonds with german industry and comercial arrangements about licenced assembly of the g36v and began a diferent project "fx05" and claim it as his own and great achivement.

Project wich bassicly was an unlicenced and a modified copy of the g36v.

When the rifle was made public in sept 06 germans and H&K began a legal and comercial dispute wich so far is lost to mexican army. When the **** hited the fan months ago, the quoted general was punished and didnt recived the secretariat and the project was finished. It gave us a comercial and a political head ache. Last information is that germans demand the destructiosn of the all ready built batches of fx05, and licended production of g36v is due to began in short time.

Nice story isnt it.
Where did you get that info?I read about a little of it but not so much in detail.

[tuercas]

i do not believe any of it .

i have not read any of this story on the major newspapers like excelsior or el sol de mexico. or heard from any tv media. such a large aquisition would make more news, specially with the army and navy currently under large operations.

Diario reforma is not a dependable news source . it is a verey small circulation paper in Mexico city and some other major cities. diario reforma used to be grouped with the respectable "El Norte" from Monterrey but was spun off in the early 90's. now its more of a tabloid or e-news allthough they call themselves "independent press".

[NavySnipe]

USS OGDEN LPD- Interesting facts

The well deck is 165 feet by 49 feet and accommodates up to nine assault landing craft at one time.
Ogden's upper vehicle stowage area alone contains 7,269 square feet of stowage capacity and can accommodate 47 three-quarter ton trucks.
With helicopters and medium landing craft, Ogden can project ashore more than 900 combat troops with full combat equipment against enemy beaches and inland areas.
Ogden has a length of 570 feet and a beam of 108 feet.
When fully loaded, she displaces more than 17,000 tons.
Her fuel capacity of over 700,000 gallons gives the ship a cruising range equal to a distance halfway around the world.
Ogden can store more than 100,000 gallons of fresh water in her tanks, while two freshwater distilling plants can generate an additional 60,000 gallons a day.
Ogden has a crew of 25 officers and 400 enlisted men.
USS Ogden LPD-5 ?!?!?!?

Hey, this is my old ship and went to Desert Shield/Storm with it as part of ARG Alpha. They are finally getting rid of it huh ? At least, it's going to another Navy. This is the 2nd and last ship that I have served on and my first ship was used as a target for SinkEx after decommissioning...

Sniff sniff... :-(

[Wolfpack]

Where did you get that info?I read about a little of it but not so much in detail.

It is a major issue at the army and some special departaments at the governament. But certainly its happening, a few newspapers like universal and exclesior published something about the stroy an a weekley political magazine ddi it to, but i havent even read them all. But for shure it was not published at reforma. Anyway I saw a few such stories, but mainly I got the history from friends and people inside, its the coffe chat of the moment in the mexican military, its very hot. But yeah I can confirm fx 05 its gone, it was a dope and now is considered a dishonor for the mexican military industry. Although it is not expected to be a national news hit, where country do you live at? its a delicate problem and discression was imposed over the media.

The Company made its calim right after the independece parade such it was a problem that for saluting ceremony for the new president order was given not to show a single fxo5, they were restricted, they are not even aproved to be used at the operations in michoacan and now Tijuana.


Its a very uncomfortable problem, last week army ask for 40 million dollars to estart building the g36v. And germans are still asking for the destruction of the copies.

[Dragunov]

It is a major issue at the army and some special departaments at the governament. But certainly its happening, a few newspapers like universal and exclesior published something about the stroy an a weekley political magazine ddi it to, but i havent even read them all. But for shure it was not published at reforma. Anyway I saw a few such stories, but mainly I got the history from friends and people inside, its the coffe chat of the moment in the mexican military, its very hot. But yeah I can confirm fx 05 its gone, it was a dope and now is considered a dishonor for the mexican military industry. Although it is not expected to be a national news hit, where country do you live at? its a delicate problem and discression was imposed over the media.

The Company made its calim right after the independece parade such it was a problem that for saluting ceremony for the new president order was given not to show a single fxo5, they were restricted, they are not even aproved to be used at the operations in michoacan and now Tijuana.


Its a very uncomfortable problem, last week army ask for 40 million dollars to estart building the g36v. And germans are still asking for the destruction of the copies.


Rumors, rumors. Don't balieve everything you hear buddy.

[Ghelp]

Any more Blackhawks planned.

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

Mate you can have as much skills in mechanic and engineering as you wont but you will not be able to use F-16 parts and G.E. F-110 engine on your F-5. It is physically impossible to put F-110 in F-5 fuselage... So either is Mexico getting F-16s or writer of this article get some things wrong...

Well Belive it or NOT!!!... Dude in Mexico we hav been using parts from older F-16 to supply the needs of the F-5E for many years now, many parts of the F-16 like cableing and avioninc part are compatible with the F-5E, and the turbine from GE F-110 are exchangable and compatible with the GE J85 engines used currently on the F-5´s.

Belive it or NOT!!

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

LOL... I've been on both those ships as a Marine and there both floating turds. I guess there better than nothing though.

I can either agree with your comment or not, you might be right i never been on either ships wich are still operating and in service of the U.S NAVY, it just make me think of what my cousin who served in the USS TARAWA also based in San Diego told me that Marines are always to cocky and the don´t care or give any respect to the ship.

From your post and another one saying that the navy ships wich transport Marines are basically a piece of ****, well let me remind you guys were send to freeking WAR ,its a warship not a cruise ship to the bahamas,maybe the QE2 will accomodate yo guys better hu?

CHOW TIME..
http://www.ivoya.com/luxury_cruises/images/QE2%20dining.bmphttp://www.hjcards.co.uk/pictures/qe2.jpg

[szr]

maybe the QE2 will accomodate yo guys better hu?
I'd be game for a WESTPAC cruise on the QE2.

[Dragunov]

Overall,I think we should not buy all this junk from the US.
There are better things in Russia and/or Europe.

[jetsetter]

Overall,I think we should not buy all this junk from the US.
There are better things in Russia and/or Europe.

How about you buy new US equipment eh?

[Dragunov]

How about you buy new US equipment eh?

With strings attached, as always. And limitations. No thanks.

[szr]

^ You sound like GAFES.

[Ordie]

Well Belive it or NOT!!!... Dude in Mexico we hav been using parts from older F-16 to supply the needs of the F-5E for many years now, many parts of the F-16 like cableing and avioninc part are compatible with the F-5E, and the turbine from GE F-110 are exchangable and compatible with the GE J85 engines used currently on the F-5´s.

Belive it or NOT!!

Physically both engines are of different sizes and at first glance one has difficulty in understanding the compatibility between an F-5 and F-16 powerplant.

However, since both products are produced by the same manufactuer, it would not surprise me that each enigine uses identical minor component.

What puzzles me is that the US has surplus GE J85 in stock as they continue to use the T-38 Talon (F-5 Trainer). Why not use those spare parts?

[~center~]

I can either agree with your comment or not, you might be right i never been on either ships wich are still operating and in service of the U.S NAVY, it just make me think of what my cousin who served in the USS TARAWA also based in San Diego told me that Marines are always to cocky and the don´t care or give any respect to the ship.

From your post and another one saying that the navy ships wich transport Marines are basically a piece of ****, well let me remind you guys were send to freeking WAR ,its a warship not a cruise ship to the bahamas,maybe the QE2 will accomodate yo guys better hu?

CHOW TIME..
http://www.ivoya.com/luxury_cruises/images/QE2%20dining.bmphttp://www.hjcards.co.uk/pictures/qe2.jpg


Actually I spent many a night on the USS Essex as well as the USS Harpers Ferry. Both of those ships were the best of the best and their Navy crewmen were the same. Great ships full of great sailors and the Marines loved those ships and treated them with as much respect as the Navy guys did.
Now, I was also on the USS Fort Fisher which was a similar floating pile of crap, like the two mentioned given to the Mexican Navy. The Navy crewmen (not all of them mind you but most) on that ship were just as sad as the ship itself. There were other ships I was on both good and bad but you get the point.
You can call Marines what you will but, seeing as how you have ZERO first hand knowledge of either Marines OR the ships in question, I think you'd better keep comments like those to yourself. Also, just because Marines know we are bad@ss doesn't make us cocky, it just means we are aware of our abilities. Of course you can still call us "cocky" . We take it as a compliment, so thanks for that. :)

BTW, there were some nights IN THE WAR ZONE when those Navy boys (with Marine Cooks assisting) feed us some down right amazing food that I would put up against any luxury cruiseline...... And I probably wouldn't get dysentery or salmonella either.

[wicked_hind]

Physically both engines are of different sizes and at first glance one has difficulty in understanding the compatibility between an F-5 and F-16 powerplant.



However, since both products are produced by the same manufactuer, it would not surprise me that each enigine uses identical minor component.



What puzzles me is that the US has surplus GE J85 in stock as they continue to use the T-38 Talon (F-5 Trainer). Why not use those spare parts?



I can probably see the using certain engine components from early F-16s such as accessories like the boost pumps, fuel/oil heat exchangers, ignition systems that consist of the leads and exciter and ignitor, as well as the starter generator. But if you're talking about replacing turbine blades, compressor blades, the accessories gearbox, stator assemblies and diffusers, it's a no go since the J-85 is a small turbojet and the F-110 is a turbofan which, as its name states, has a fan blade assembly and the J-85 doesn't. With the possible exception of the accessories, you can't switch out major engine components with a J-85 and F-110. They're completely different

[Wolfpack]

With strings attached, as always. And limitations. No thanks.

That is a huge lie.

Its a a stupid mexican pride smack just to mask the fact that politicians always bargains low rate buissnes of course que aint gonna be needing raptors, lancers and we aint gonna be spending money we dont have in super hornets allright. Its just common sense. Truth is that we don t need last generation aircraft and when in need we got black hawks, md 530 and leading edge equipment as well as trainging without restriction and fast. That is far more important that having missiles we aint gonna be needing.

We have huge contracts with switzerland, they embargoed us back in 94 95 because we used the pilatus against zapatistas. We also used bells pumas, milans, black hawks and neither the french or the americans blinked, we recived spares during the conflict. Those days mexico intended to buy a few cobras and us congress banned the purchase, cause they didnt wanted to get involved at sucha high profile. I think that was justified.

Its just political will, just a few weeks later we began reciving spares from switzerland again and nowadays four brand new pc9 just arrived mexico.

That is just BS.

New changres are taking place in FAM inventory, the rumor says that all russian material is going to be scrapped or sold. And all of the helicopter fleets of pfp afi and pgr (police) are to be transfered to FAM to fill the gaps.

The bottom story is that the important branch of defense in mexico wich is the army and the airforce are to be working with US material again.

[Wolfpack]

Here Ive got a pic of one of our f5 enginies.

[ronrod71]

I live along the US Mexican border. I see the crime , I see corruption-first hand. I work for DHS. I have seen the Mexican Military assist human and drug smugglers. Recently a National Guard site near Tucson, Arizona was attacked. Now we are fueling their fire and rewarding their USUAL bad behavior. The people who live and work alongthe border are going to be flooking down the barrels of our own guns.

[Proud American]

who is Mexico mainly trying to protect against? Brazil?

[tuercas]

who is Mexico mainly trying to protect against? Brazil?

counterinsurgency and counter narcotics, also defense of offshore oil assets.

[Proud American]

counterinsurgency and counter narcotics, also defense of offshore oil assets.

ahhh okay. never thought of that.

[tuercas]

Mexico's armed forces are strictly self defense forces . as our country's constitution prohibits preemptive action or foreign operations, the only exception was during the recapture of the Philippines during WWII, and that was trough special treaty.

because of this , it should be no surprise that the next acquisition will be SU27 for maritime oil fields defense, it is important to show oil clients that this supply of oil is properly protected and interruptible.

[LaoSexMachine]

I can either agree with your comment or not, you might be right i never been on either ships wich are still operating and in service of the U.S NAVY, it just make me think of what my cousin who served in the USS TARAWA also based in San Diego told me that Marines are always to cocky and the don´t care or give any respect to the ship.

From your post and another one saying that the navy ships wich transport Marines are basically a piece of ****, well let me remind you guys were send to freeking WAR ,its a warship not a cruise ship to the bahamas,maybe the QE2 will accomodate yo guys better hu?

CHOW TIME..
http://www.ivoya.com/luxury_cruises/images/QE2%20dining.bmphttp://www.hjcards.co.uk/pictures/qe2.jpg

You never lived on. Let lone set foot on one. So your opinion means shat. As for your cousin. Sailors have different birthing then the Marines.

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

Well if my opinion means shat why give it so much importance??


I said it in the begining i dont know this ships by i do know several U.S. Navy Ships USS TARAWA,USS SHILOH,USS MERCY

I know is NOT the same as living on them and even the same class of ships but it gives me a idea of the conditions of a ship still in service in the U.S. Navy.

But regardless it was just my opinion, maybe they are a piece of ****,there your ships-

[LaoSexMachine]

Well if my opinion means shat why give it so much importance??


I said it in the begining i dont know this ships by i do know several U.S. Navy Ships USS TARAWA,USS SHILOH,USS MERCY

I know is NOT the same as living on them and even the same class of ships but it gives me a idea of the conditions of a ship still in service in the U.S. Navy.

But regardless it was just my opinion, maybe they are a piece of ****,there your ships-


It's not the name of the ships but the class of them. I been on the Belleau Wood(LHA), same class as the Tarawa, better but still suck.

[Ordie]

The US Navy used the Amphibs to its full use to transport MEU's to the far side of the planet. They crammed it to the gills with vehicles, equipment, helos and Marines. Sailors are accustomed to the cramped living quarters. I've never met a Marine who liked to be on-board a ship.

The Mexican Navy and Marines on the otherhand will have a different role in mind. It will most likely be used as an offshore platform for emergency relief and or acting as a mother ship for a squadron of smaller patrol vessels and helos.

[AztecMex]

So when are they suppose to recive all these's goodies?I havnt heard much else about it so if any one has info on it please tell.