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MetalBoy
04-19-2004, 11:50 PM
Holy ****, if this is true!

From The Sun (I know its basically a tabloid newspaper):


A suicide bomb plot to kill thousands of soccer fans at Saturday’s Manchester United-Liverpool match was dramatically foiled yesterday.

Armed cops seized ten terror suspects in dawn raids.

Intelligence chiefs believe al-Qaeda fanatics planned to blow themselves up amid 67,000 unsuspecting supporters. A source said: “The target was Old Trafford.”

The Islamic fanatics planned to sit all around the ground to cause maximum carnage.

They had already bought the tickets for various positions in the stadium, cops revealed last night.

But armed cops foiled the horrific plot - which could have killed thousands watching Manchester United’s home game against Liverpool on Saturday - in a series of dawn raids yesterday.

Ten people were arrested after a massive surveillance operation involving British anti-terror units and American authorities.

A police source said: “The plot involved several individual bombers in separate parts of the stadium.

“If successful, any such attack would have caused absolute carnage. Thousands of people could have been killed.”

The planned attack would have had an instant global impact as the game is being televised worldwide.

More than 400 police swooped yesterday after a “major terrorist figure” under surveillance moved to Manchester. Police and intelligence organisations believe he came to direct the massacre, which would have been the first al-Qaeda-style outrage in Britain.

Special Branch and the security services had been monitoring their movements and eavesdropping on mobile phone calls for months.

The operation also involved the US National Security Agency and GCHQ, the Government’s intelligence listening post.

Seven of the suspects were held in Manchester and one each in South Yorkshire, Staffordshire and the West Midlands.

It is believed all have links to extremist Islamic organisations. They were being quizzed at separate police stations around North West England last night.

But it was unclear whether any explosives or weapons had been recovered.

Bombers planning the Old Trafford massacre would have run the risk of being searched going into the ground before the 3pm kick-off.

Manchester United said away fans and those sitting in the higher tiers were frisked.

The identities and details of the suspects remained top secret last night — even to many of those involved in the operation.

One of the raids was at a flat above Dolphins takeaway in Upper Brook Street, near Manchester University. The area has a large ethnic community with many properties converted into bedsits.

Irfaan Arif, who lives in a nearby flat, said: “I was woken at 4am, looked out of the window and saw a lot of armed police. There was loads of banging and shouting.”

The three-storey Dolphins building was cordoned off along with next-door properties housing AK Computers and Funky Fones.

Forensic experts in protective clothing moved in after the initial search teams.

A police spokesman confirmed: “A number of search warrants were executed under the Terrorism Act 2000. Ten people have been arrested on suspicion of being concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of terrorism.


“We appreciate the public interest in this but are unable to provide more specific details at this stage.”

Greater Manchester’s Assistant Chief Constable Dave Whatton said: “It was an anti-terrorism operation that has been going on for some time and it will continue in the future.

“This is the first action that the public have become aware of as it is overt. It is set against the background of an increased threat level across the country.

“The addresses raided will continue to be searched for some time. It is a complex inquiry.”

And he appealed: “Because of the national heightened threat levels we would still ask people to be vigilant and report any suspicious activity to police.”

Sheikh Mohammed bal Qadri, deputy director of a mosque in Upper Brook Street, said he did not believe any of his members were among those being held.

He added: “Since September 11 we have been very vigilant, as mosques should be.

“If I see a person who is new, I ask him why he is here and what he is doing and ask these kind of questions.

“We are against these evil acts. In the religion of Islam we have tolerance.” The raids follow revelations last week that police in Manchester had raised their terror alert level.

More than 50 officers were moved from regular duties to work on a task force committed to combating terrorism.

Police have also conducted detailed surveys of land around Manchester Airport to identify sites which could be used to launch missiles attacks on aircraft.

Manchester Central MP Tony Lloyd said yesterday: “Clearly this is one of the most difficult levels of policing. But when police get the information to act successfully the whole of the British public will applaud their actions.”

radon
04-20-2004, 12:03 AM
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=stadium+terror&btnG=Search+News
It is. woot .

obd
04-20-2004, 12:49 AM
Hmm BBC hasnt picked it up yet. Maybe an attempt to keep it quite before further arrests and/or to ward off any violence against Muslums as a result of the British publics knowledge that a plot to kill thousands was hatched within the Islamic community... As Mao ounce said, "a guerilla is like a fish in a pond. Without the water they cannot live".

Well, I doubt that this kind of plot could have gone on without some knowledge of part of the Muslum population...This plot could have killed as many Britons as the 9/11 attack.....Hopefully, they will take this lesson learned and not be bloodied the next time because you can bet your house these guys will try again.. As recent history has shown, they are persistant little bastards: 1996 and 2001 attacks on WTC with success second attempt, several attempts to destroy a US warship with success against cole, several attempts to destroy US embassy with successes in Africa...etc etc etc...

Its quite likely these bastards will try to riun the great game of soccer as a sport that unifies the world under freindly competition......Unfortunately, these kinds of packed events are perfect targets...........

cut
04-20-2004, 10:41 AM
Hmm BBC hasnt picked it up yet. Maybe an attempt to keep it quite before further arrests and/or to ward off any violence against Muslums as a result of the British publics knowledge that a plot to kill thousands was hatched within the Islamic community... As Mao ounce said, "a guerilla is like a fish in a pond. Without the water they cannot live".

Well, I doubt that this kind of plot could have gone on without some knowledge of part of the Muslum population...This plot could have killed as many Britons as the 9/11 attack.....Hopefully, they will take this lesson learned and not be bloodied the next time because you can bet your house these guys will try again.. As recent history has shown, they are persistant little bastards: 1996 and 2001 attacks on WTC with success second attempt, several attempts to destroy a US warship with success against cole, several attempts to destroy US embassy with successes in Africa...etc etc etc...

Its quite likely these bastards will try to riun the great game of soccer as a sport that unifies the world under freindly competition......Unfortunately, these kinds of packed events are perfect targets...........


a few points;

-the BBC doesn't put a story up if it is unconfirmed.

-what makes you so sure it wasn't part of the muslim community that help the authorities find out?

-the first attack on the WTC was in 93

-football stadia are not easy targets to bomb otherwise it would have been done years ago by the IRA.

Khabbi
04-20-2004, 10:50 AM
The UK seems to be on top of things , this isent the first Al Qaida / Arab terror attack they have put the casbah on .

big_les
04-20-2004, 10:53 AM
The club have denied that any attack was planned. If one were, its at least true that they were not warned by the police in any way. Seems to be pure tabloid BS snowballing from simplistic journo guesswork as to potential targets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1195915,00.html

Manchester United dismiss terror target reports

George Wright and agencies
Tuesday April 20, 2004
Manchester United today dismissed speculation that the club's Old Trafford stadium could have been the target of a foiled terrorist attack.
United spokesman Phil Townsend played down newspaper reports that the Premiership club had been a target for those arrested in a series of anti-terror raids by Greater Manchester police yesterday.

He said that the club had received no warnings from police, and refused to comment on suggestions that Old Trafford - which attracts regular crowds of almost 70,000 fans - would be an obvious target for terrorists planning an attack in Manchester.

Responding to reports that al-Qaida terrorists had planned suicide bombings at Saturday's match against Liverpool, Mr Townsend said: "We have not been told that Old Trafford has been identified as a target.

"We are in discussions with police regarding security at the ground, but these are the routine discussions we would have on any matchday. Decisions regarding security are normally made on matchdays."

His comments follow the arrest of 10 people of north African and Iraqi Kurdish origin, who are being held on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism following the dawn anti-terror raids.

Six men and a woman were arrested in Greater Manchester, and three other men were arrested in Staffordshire, South Yorkshire and the West Midlands. The suspects can be held without charge for 14 days under the Terrorism Act.

According to the Sun, yesterday's armed police raids, which centred on a takeaway restaurant, were prompted by intelligence that suspected terrorists had purchased tickets for Saturday's match in different parts of the stadium and were allegedly planning a mass suicide bombing.

An unnamed police source quoted by the paper said: "If successful, any such attack would have caused absolute carnage. Thousands of people could have been killed."

Other reports suggested that the alleged terrorists were considering a bomb attack on the Old Trafford shopping centre, which could also have caused a devastating loss of life.

A 1996 lorry bomb attack on Manchester's Arndale shopping centre by Irish Republican terrorists, in which more than 200 people were injured, remains fresh in the city's memory.

Yesterday's raids involved more than 400 officers, and were co-ordinated by Greater Manchester police with assistance from the security services and the Metropolitan police's anti-terrorism branch.

There are appeared to be no direct link with a similar operation carried out in London and the south-east earlier this month, in which the Metropolitan police arrested nine men of Pakistani origin and seized a large quantity of potentially explosive fertiliser.

Senior officers have refused to discuss potential targets of the alleged plot in Manchester, or even to confirm reports that the raids followed a large surveillance operation involving the interception of telephone calls and messages.

Assistant Chief Constable David Whatton, of Greater Manchester police, said that yesterday's arrests and searches of several properties had been "part of an ongoing operation looking at the threat of terrorism across the whole of the UK".

Haiw
04-20-2004, 04:33 PM
No offense, but would anyone really mind if some crazy bastards blew up several hundreds of football hooligans? :lol:

Sayeret
04-20-2004, 05:47 PM
The only thing I don't exactly understand is how they would kill thousands of soccer fans. It seemed like the terrorists were just going to blow themselves up around groups of people near the lower part of the stadium. Unless they plan on blowing up the actual supports of the stadium I don't see how they could possibly kill thousands of people.

ronin2172
04-20-2004, 05:49 PM
I wish they'd 'blow up' houlier and send him back to france!* he is destroying liverpool!

*by blow up i mean the looney toons type of blow up where no one is actually hurt.

SeanAshi
04-20-2004, 05:50 PM
No offense, but would anyone really mind if some crazy bastards blew up several hundreds of football hooligans?I've seen football in Europe, I wouldn't mess with them guys :lol:

seruriermarshal
04-20-2004, 07:36 PM
Hmm BBC hasnt picked it up yet. Maybe an attempt to keep it quite before further arrests and/or to ward off any violence against Muslums as a result of the British publics knowledge that a plot to kill thousands was hatched within the Islamic community... As Mao ounce said, "a guerilla is like a fish in a pond. Without the water they cannot live".

Well, I doubt that this kind of plot could have gone on without some knowledge of part of the Muslum population...This plot could have killed as many Britons as the 9/11 attack.....Hopefully, they will take this lesson learned and not be bloodied the next time because you can bet your house these guys will try again.. As recent history has shown, they are persistant little bastards: 1996 and 2001 attacks on WTC with success second attempt, several attempts to destroy a US warship with success against cole, several attempts to destroy US embassy with successes in Africa...etc etc etc...

Its quite likely these bastards will try to riun the great game of soccer as a sport that unifies the world under freindly competition......Unfortunately, these kinds of packed events are perfect targets...........


a few points;

-the BBC doesn't put a story up if it is unconfirmed.

-what makes you so sure it wasn't part of the muslim community that help the authorities find out?

-the first attack on the WTC was in 93

-football stadia are not easy targets to bomb otherwise it would have been done years ago by the IRA.

CUT why you never suspect Al-Jazeera ?

gaz
04-20-2004, 07:57 PM
-football stadia are not easy targets to bomb otherwise it would have been done years ago by the IRA.

But the PIRA have never been potential suicide bombers.

Flagg
04-20-2004, 08:02 PM
The only thing I don't exactly understand is how they would kill thousands of soccer fans. It seemed like the terrorists were just going to blow themselves up around groups of people near the lower part of the stadium. Unless they plan on blowing up the actual supports of the stadium I don't see how they could possibly kill thousands of people.

Think about places that are high density of personnel and more limited cubic airspace.

Actual destruction/implosion of the stadium would be highly unlikely, in my humble opinion, as it would require a huge amount of preparation, highly developed combat engineering skills, full access to the facility, and a significant number of non-discreet cutting charges.

Or a MASSIVE amount of explosives directly in/under/adjacent to the structure having passed through security.

AFACadet
04-20-2004, 08:13 PM
No offense, but would anyone really mind if some crazy bastards blew up several hundreds of football hooligans?I've seen football in Europe, I wouldn't mess with them guys :lol:


BAH!!!!! Europe doesn't have football :P :lol: ;)

Steve Railsback
04-20-2004, 08:31 PM
If they hade succeeded in killing soccer fans in Manchester I guess the war on terror would be over in about a week.
Since Manchester United have a fan base of more then 50 million all over the world that probably would go totally berserk! :fork: