HELP! I have a liberal shill teacher.....

[Dronetek]

So, I just started a new quarter at Columbus State where I take 15 credit hours of classes. I'm a journalist major, so I have to take lots of writing classes and Ive yet to get a class that didnt have some liberal asshat teacher. This qurater is no exception as I've got the worst one so far. The very first day of class this woman rants on an on about how America is arrogant for expecting people to learn english and that we are so dangerous and destructive that other countries will probably destroy us soon. After all of this she explain that her views are "progressive" or "Forword-thinking, which was the last straw for me. I cant stand it when someone labels their arguments that way because it implies any other idea is backwards or stupid.

What am I going to do? There is no way I can sit through 3 months of this crap.

[Hydro]

Shoot her in the face.

[Dronetek]

She also said that "Americans think foriegn people are stupid". Which was interesting to me, because Ive never thought that.

[digrar]

Show her this,

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101743

http://youtube.com/v/HCkYfYa8ePI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI)

and tell the feeling is mutual.

[Big Lebowski]

Shoot her in the face.

well, that would defently be the american way.

[Dronetek]

and tell the feeling is mutual.
I think you misunderstand. She meant it as a swipe against "ignorant americans". My point is that We dont all that foriegn people are stupid. The teacher was using a sterotype as proof of her argument.


As far as that video goes, its all bs. Lets see them do the same tests on the streets on any other country and get the same results.

[Hydro]

well, that would defently be the american way.



It's the Cheney way.

[digrar]

I think you misunderstand. She meant it as a swipe against "ignorant americans". My point is that We dont all that foriegn people are stupid. The teacher was using a sterotype as proof of her argument.


As far as that video goes, its all bs. Lets see them do the same tests on the streets on any other country and get the same results.

No doubt, I realise anyone with a couple of hours of footage will find enough asshattery for a 2 minute clip to condem a whole people/nation/race.

[bluffcove]

If she teaching journalism and is taking sides, tell yur faculty that she is incapabl of remaining neutrl and as such is a **** teacher

[Ruledbyjames]

Its College!! You always meet overtly liberal clowns there. Do some research and take her on her opinions.

[exarmyguard]

Do yourself a favor. Tote the line in her class, get an A so you can have a high GPA, get a job at the college as her boss and then fire her.

Don't think you will win an arguement with a teacher who has different views than you. The teacher will label you in a negative way. Then when it comes time for grading your papers, they will have the power to give you a poor grade. I have seen it happen. A good GPA can mean the difference when getting a good job.

[Hydro]

Don't do anything. Only make an issue of it if it unfairly affects your grade. You meet people with different opinions, they may be idiots, but hey, that's LIFE.

[WarriorMonk]

or create a facebook group that says "Students against Miss..."

at least that could help. :P

[exarmyguard]

Don't do anything. Only make an issue of it if it unfairly affects your grade. You meet people with different opinions, they may be idiots, but hey, that's LIFE.


Well said...

Also, try to listen to her and other student opinions. This should help you realize that not everyone holds your views. Do not block out what they are saying, instead, listen and rationalize what their views are and put yourself in their place as to why they have that particular view. When it is time for debate, offer a counterpoint. Do so in an intelligent way and do listen to responses. This will make you appear to be respectful and should have a positive effect on your teacher. You may find that your teacher will share some of your ideas.

I admire that journalism is your career choice. A free and open press is crucial for a democracy. I hope your conservative views will not cloud your thinking when you write. Rather, consider all points of view and articulate the facts in a true way. Good luck in your endeavour.

[kosse]

At least around here conversation between students and teachers seems to be encouraged and I'm yet to have encountered any teachers that have gotten pissed because of differing views as long as they are represented politely. I don't see why it should be different anywhere and even if you have one asshat teacher she can hardly ruin your studies for you.

[exarmyguard]

At least around here conversation between students and teachers seems to be encouraged and I'm yet to have encountered any teachers that have gotten pissed because of differing views as long as they are represented politely. I don't see why it should be different anywhere and even if you have one asshat teacher she can hardly ruin your studies for you.

I agree that one teacher should not affect a students studies. The sad fact is that teachers talk to other teachers. If this young man should express his views too strongly as so to offend her basic values, she will discuss this with other teachers and it may taint the opinions of other teachers. Teachers, especially those in university, may have common views and may have a low tolerance for opposing viewpoints. They may express their dissatisfaction by giving him lower grades.

The teachers tolerance for dissenting opinions may be low, so to be on the safe side, keep your thoughts to yourself in class. Just my opinion.

[Ruledbyjames]

At least around here conversation between students and teachers seems to be encouraged and I'm yet to have encountered any teachers that have gotten pissed because of differing views as long as they are represented politely. I don't see why it should be different anywhere and even if you have one asshat teacher she can hardly ruin your studies for you.

Same here in my College! If you disagree with what she says and its an open forum voice up! Do it in a respectful manner and dont get all "hey you liberal nancy b1tch" and there should be no problems!

[Elmo]

Quit your studies.

[helomech]

Find a different teacher,if that don't work find another school

[Hydro]

Well said...





Well, I prefer my first suggestion, but that is still a felony in the US I gather p-)

[budgie]

Do yourself a favor. Tote the line in her class, get an A so you can have a high GPA, get a job at the college as her boss and then fire her.

I agree because that's what I did back in college though A's might be a little optimistic if your heart's not in it. Many of my lit instructors were a pack of rabid anti-male 'feminists' (that was the thing in NZ education in the early nineties). I made the smart choice after getting C's on a couple of well-thought out papers that didn't toe the line: I wrote what I thought the lecturer wanted to hear, it took no effort and I coasted through with B's. Case closed. You'll have the rest of your life to stand up for what you believe in.

[exarmyguard]

You'll have the rest of your life to stand up for what you believe in.

You hit the nail on the head...

[Dronetek]

I guess my problem is the way she presents these opinions as fact, without backing any of it up. On top of that, she declares her arguments "progressive".

[Cedan]

why dont you speak against her in class?

[Dakota435]

I guess my problem is the way she presents these opinions as fact, without backing any of it up. On top of that, she declares her arguments "progressive".

My son ran into the same thing in a college journalism course. The instructor started off with that old liberal cliche about the journalist's role being to "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted" and he realized pretty quickly he was being taught not to be a recorder of facts but to be an agent of social change.

In my opinion the safest way, from a grading standpoint, to challenge her positions is to do it with questions that bring out the inherent contradictions of her views instead of directly opposing her positions.

[PanzerMaster]

I think that for a purely personal experience, learning a new language can be a very interesting thing for many US and UK folks.
Once I met a Scottish guy (we both were a Birmingham for the IFSEC) that "envied" me and my ability to speak and teach jokes in english.

But dear Americans and English out there, is not a problem if you don't know a language, this is no sign of ignorancy or arrogancy.

The true arrogancy is when you are in foreign place and *expect* that people speak english and you don't even make a single step toward them (e.g. speaking slow, gestures)...I met many foreign people here in Italy (mainly UK and German) that speaked *always* a strict-english/german with regional accent without bothering to make sure we understood :(

[Natemo]

Show her this,

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101743

http://youtube.com/v/HCkYfYa8ePI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI)

and tell the feeling is mutual.

BAHAHAH! jjjjj

[EsoognomEhT]

Is there anything you don't blame on these so called "Liberals" in America O.o

[Jaeger07]

Maybe you should listen to what she has to say. Sit back. Think for yourself. And then give her your view on the matter.

If you manage this, instead of saying "i've got an asshat liberal biatch for a teacher", then i would say your education has payed off.

The way you express yourself in this thread makes me think you havent been very active in discussion classes before, maybe time to start learning.

Oh and: ever got the idea that your teacher expresses her self a little extremely to provoce a reaction from her students.

Think - then talk.

[Anthony91]

Shoot her in the face.

I second that. I almost wanted to shoot my teacher a few days ago for saying the Vietnam War was stupid and worthless.

[Jaeger07]

I second that. I almost wanted to shoot my teacher a few days ago for saying the Vietnam War was stupid and worthless.

Uhm so what good came out of the Vietnam war? And why was it so smart to fight it?

I think your teacher was right.

[redflash]

you said
I'm a journalist major
i thought the first thing of journalism is not to affect yourself with bias and one-sided views,(well like that will ever happen) yet you are complaining about how 'liberal' your teachers are, how well can you do your job once you are 'out there' then.
quit your school and go somewhere else if you can't stand your teachers.

[Euroamerican]

It's going to be grating to sit in her class all semester, but try to tolerate that and learn what you can from her course. It won't do any good to be labeled by her or any of her cohort if you decide to stick it out in your school's journalism major. At the very least, be sneaky-quiet to get a good grade and move on. Ten years from now, you probably won't even remember her name.

If you can tolerate your professor's BS and therefore increase your GPA, it will be one less thing someone can knock you on when you go job hunting. And even better, you might be able to get an important internship based on her or her liberal buddies' recommendations if you stay sneaky. They'll think they've planted yet another drone, and you don't have to let on that you are not.

If the whole journalism program at that college is truly rotten and you really can't stand it, do some research to find out if there are good programs at more conservative schools. There are plenty of small colleges all over the US, and some of them aren't liberal wacko places.

[exarmyguard]

Uhm so what good came out of the Vietnam war? And why was it so smart to fight it?

I think your teacher was right.

Be careful, you don't want to get banned.

[Jaeger07]

Be careful, you don't want to get banned.

I'm well aware of the policies of this site, and i dont believe stating my view on the Vietnam war will get me banned.

Dont take politics so personal. It's my opinion, you have yours. A healthy discussion is not a bad thing. We're in "Political Discussions and Rants" remember?

[BloodyTalon]

Oh yeah? My science professor is convinced 9/11 was an inside job. Just sit back, take up the bullsh!t, and try and ace the class.

But, if your professor starts giving you bad grades because you have a different opinion, then you can complain to faculty.


edit: and another thing: if you're enlisted or in ROTC, just show up to class one day in your uniform. If your teacher goes into a b1tch fit about it, she'll only make herself look foolish to the other students.

[Dakota435]

Uhm so what good came out of the Vietnam war? And why was it so smart to fight it?

I think your teacher was right.

No good came out of it because America walked away after pretty much having it won and gave the North the green light to try again.

I work with a victim of the abandonment of the South by the Democratic congress in '74, who's family made it to Canada in '79. He'll give you an earfull.

[Thor]

Women in general tend to be rather liberal. Learn to live with it or learn to live alone.

[SBL]

Oh yeah? My science professor is convinced 9/11 was an inside job. Just sit back, take up the bullsh!t, and try and ace the class.

But, if your professor starts giving you bad grades because you have a different opinion, then you can complain to faculty.


edit: and another thing: if you're enlisted or in ROTC, just show up to class one day in your uniform. If your teacher goes into a b1tch fit about it, she'll only make herself look foolish to the other students.


x2000
Just do your assignments to the best of your ability and ignore her lip-flapping. If you conduct yourself in a blameless manner you'll only be respected for it- if not by her, then by your classmates. Chances are she's not a reasonable person so there's no point in getting yourself embroiled in an endless war over politics. If there's no avoiding an argument, stick to the facts, keep your cool, and let her be the one to fly off the handle.

[Lau]

Uhm so what good came out of the Vietnam war? And why was it so smart to fight it?

I think your teacher was right.

I couldnt agree more...

[Cedan]

First Japan, then France then USA, USA's outlook for victory was pretty grim from the start of the conflict

[the_recruit]

So, I just started a new quarter at Columbus State where I take 15 credit hours of classes. I'm a journalist major, so I have to take lots of writing classes and Ive yet to get a class that didnt have some liberal asshat teacher. This qurater is no exception as I've got the worst one so far. The very first day of class this woman rants on an on about how America is arrogant for expecting people to learn english and that we are so dangerous and destructive that other countries will probably destroy us soon. After all of this she explain that her views are "progressive" or "Forword-thinking, which was the last straw for me. I cant stand it when someone labels their arguments that way because it implies any other idea is backwards or stupid.

What am I going to do? There is no way I can sit through 3 months of this crap.

I got sent to the principals office for calling my teacher a stupid b!t*h after she called our soldiers baby-killers.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Gosh, a journalism professor who's a flaming leftie...who woulda thunk it?

You have to decide what's more important to you - taking apart a dimwitted professor, or acing the class - because you won't be able to do both. Knee-jerk, emotion-based reaction is a hallmark of liberals, and she will doubtless take any opposition or correction from you as a personal insult against her - and will react by ruining your grade.

I suppose you could attempt to call attention to her unethical action by going over her head to other faculty, but even that probably won't do any good. It's a closed system with no impartial oversight - they'll likely back her up. It's not like you're in a math class and can show that indeed you got the problem right

In order to maintain your sanity, you may just want to hold your tongue through 95% of her boilerplate, only interjecting a deadly joke here and there --but do it with a smile on your face and make sure it's funny. But there's still an element of risk, some people can't even take a joke.

[California Joe]

Gee I hope Fox News is still around when Dronetek graduates or he'll end up going postal working for one of the monolithic Borg-like Liberal lie factories.

2Sheds, maybe you should write him a few jokes to use. Just sayin.

[LaoSexMachine]

Or get a job with the 700 Club.

[Freibier]

I second that. I almost wanted to shoot my teacher a few days ago for saying the Vietnam War was stupid and worthless.
But it was ...
And if you want to shoot someone over a opinion, you're probably in need of urgent lobotomy, medication and a rubber cell :-P

[Roids]

x2000
Chances are she's not a reasonable person so there's no point in getting yourself embroiled in an endless war over politics. If there's no avoiding an argument, stick to the facts, keep your cool, and let her be the one to fly off the handle.

Very good advice, I have little has come from arguing with "intelligent" teachers. I have argued plenty and caught teachers in multiple contradictions, yet they still disagree. If you want to see warped logic, go to a teacher or professor involved with politics. Even the hardest core leftist on mp.net is tame compared to the dribble in schools and campuses. I still argue with them whenever I want to have some fun, but not as much as I used to. You will certainly not change your professors opinion and probably not even your peers, so their is little point.

Dronetek, the fact of the matter is that the right is going to lose the "culture war". These people are good at "re-educating" the unwashed masses. Teenagers are generally apathetic to politics until they reach college and when they do, they are bombarded with extreme left politics with no opposition to counter them. Even Penn & Teller (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7813010827207841209&q=Bull****%21+College&hl=en) did a episode on Bull****! on how widespread it is. Even if someone dare suggest some right winged idea, they will probably fail them and political correctness(I like to call it, the "thought police") will make sure they will get heavy scrutiny from the rest of their peers. Many people who may have some right winged beliefs probably wouldn't even talk because of the punishments.

Not only schools do they have heavy influence on, but also popular culture with celebrity tirades, much of the mainstream media and it's also creeping into the judiciary system and the workplace. That leaves probably the only possible right wing influence is the parents, but parenting is also going down the Sh!thole.

So we're Fvcked :D

[Litti]

Teenagers are generally apathetic to politics until they reach college and when they do, they are bombarded with extreme left politics with no opposition to counter them.

And rightfully so If I might add. We need people with empathy, not greed, if we want to make this world work in future. Our hope lies in the future generations so it´s better to teach them to take care of others instead of just themselves.

What are the negatives of being liberal by the way?

Liberal :

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

[Hydro]

And rightfully so If I might add. We need people with empathy, not greed, .



That is why we need humans, not politically indoctrinated robots. That is true for ALL colours of the political spectrum. "Rightfully so"? Just because you lean leftward does not mean you are brimming with empathy and the ability to save the world. Politics will NEVER save the world.


Oh, and the US definition of Liberal is a little different to the rest of the world.

[Litti]

What is the US definition of Liberal? Because this word has a very positive connotation in Finland and in many other countries. Just curious.

I think it´s important to teach youngsters why free education, health care and a right for decent living conditions are important. Leftist ideas. That´s what I meant.

[Roids]

And rightfully so If I might add. We need people with empathy, not greed, if we want to make this world work in future. Our hope lies in the future generations so it´s better to teach them to take care of others instead of just themselves.

That's assuming that people at birth are nice people and have lollipop Utopia ideals. More often it's the GTFO of my way approach of my peers who are apathetic to the world.

Sorry do not pass go and collect $200 dollars.

[Litti]

That's assuming that people at birth are nice people and have lollipop Utopia ideals. More often it's the GTFO of my way approach of my peers who are apathetic to the world.

No-one is filled with greed at birth unless they have some sort of brain damage which considerably affects their personality.

People who receive education, learn about different cultures and grow in a caring environment, tend to be rather social (politically) for some bizarre reason. Then you have these individuals who think that world revolves only around them, the background tends to be a bit diifferent as well.

[Litti]

I´m studying journalism as well by the way.

To collect, analyze and verify.

To investigate, guard and inform.

Middleman which keeps democracy alive. p-)

[Roids]

No-one is filled with greed at birth unless they have some sort of brain damage which considerably affects their personality.


Debatable. That's another nature vs. nurture question which will probably have some circle argument outcome.

The one thing I don't like about this political correctness and essential brainwashing of liberal ideals is that it is no different that having some extreme right winged fascist government force their views on the population. Saying that you should be open minded and then say that you cannot believe in ideas that confront our "open mindedness"(Who knows what lengths that can be perverted to) is hypocritical. It should be everyone has the freedom to believe whatever they want and not be forced by some government or society like some kind of ant colony.

[Litti]

The one thing I don't like about this political correctness and essential brainwashing of liberal ideals is that it is no different that having some extreme right winged fascist government force their views on the population.

Maybe not if you´re into pure moral relativism. But then again, isnt that something people usually accuse liberals in US. ;)

[Roids]

Maybe not if you´re into pure moral relativism. But then again, isnt that something people usually accuse liberals in US. ;)

Well than how is their an objective standard of liberals to justify their beliefs. ;)

[California Joe]

Bottom line is, it's her class and you need a good grade more than you need to argue. So basically STFU, stay in your lane, and collect the grade. It's not a bad life lesson. Personally, I have a huge problem with people of either end of the political spectrum voicing their bullsh*t opinions to a captive audience. Be it in the workplace or school. But it does happen so make the best of a bad situation and work through the pain.

[EsoognomEhT]

CJ forgot to add;
"Stop whining about it on the internet, because a) no-one really cares to be blatently honest
and b) what the hell is that going to do about it?! And are you going to run to the internet when your editor doesn't like your work ? p-)

[ViktorNavorski]

And rightfully so If I might add. We need people with empathy, not greed, if we want to make this world work in future. Our hope lies in the future generations so it´s better to teach them to take care of others instead of just themselves.

What are the negatives of being liberal by the way?

Liberal :

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.After that rhetoric, there come a realization that it is more important that the first lesson be...DON'T get on any HIGH HORSE.

[EsoognomEhT]

Litti, Liberal is just an insult in America - its actual meaning has no bearing on how its used. Strange isn't it :E

[California Joe]

The way it's most commonly used is as a synonym for "asshole" by people that share Droneteks political viewpoint.

[Amerikosskiy_xyu]

What am I going to do? There is no way I can sit through 3 months of this crap.

learn to spell.

[Resurrection]

Uhm so what good came out of the Vietnam war?

- New & improved tactics, strategies, doctrines (fire support, close air support, air mobility, use of special operations forces).
- New equipment, technologies, training methods (attack helicopters, smart bombs, assault rifles, TOPGUN/RED FLAG).
- ~600,000 dead communists.


If it was worth all of that is another question.

[Argyll]

So, I just started a new quarter at Columbus State where I take 15 credit hours of classes. I'm a journalist major, so I have to take lots of writing classes and Ive yet to get a class that didnt have some liberal asshat teacher. This qurater is no exception as I've got the worst one so far. The very first day of class this woman rants on an on about how America is arrogant for expecting people to learn english and that we are so dangerous and destructive that other countries will probably destroy us soon. After all of this she explain that her views are "progressive" or "Forword-thinking, which was the last straw for me. I cant stand it when someone labels their arguments that way because it implies any other idea is backwards or stupid.

What am I going to do? There is no way I can sit through 3 months of this crap.

You mean the same way you branded the American Public as stupid lemmings in a thread not so long ago yourself mate? :roll:

[Hydro]

You mean the same way you branded the American Public as stupid lemmings in a thread not so long ago yourself mate? :roll:



Now now, that's the kind of dangerous logical thinking that could get us all killed.


The left and right are like husband and wife, they can say all they want about each other, but they still have ***...hang on, this analogy doesn't work.

[gaz]

To reiterate what Joe and the Mongoose said on the previous page, we have some words from Joe's girlfriend -


Christ.

You people give to much **** about someone you don't even know - it's the Internet; people (including myself) say all sorts of bull**** thus resulting in many many pages of boring advice that does nothing except give you a bizarre mental erection.

My advice to abusive fathers, chop their *****es off when they are asleep, take up self mutilation, write a really boring apathetic poem, masturbate with the family pet, shove fire crackers into various orifices.....etc etc

It's old and it's the same everyday "oh my girlfriend dumped me", “hemorrhoids make my bum look big", "Jesus stole my ability to procreate with the Irish".

It's all mute - as tomorrow the next issue and solutions will be more standard over emotional daily filler.

In otherwords – f*ck off.

I'm going to post that quote at every available opportunity.

[Argyll]

except it's Moot and not Mute!!

[gaz]

I didn't write it, I'm just educating the masses by quoting a literary genius. Dronetek can look at me as the equivalent of a liberal teacher regurgitating Marx.

[Argyll]

Yeah I know, it was Mocking who wrote it.

[Macs.]

Emocon. .........

[digrar]

I posted that quote the other day. It should be a staple on any woe is me thread.

[gaz]

Yeah, I'm truly glad I spent an hour going through her old posts last month and found it.

[digrar]

About the same here, her name change didn't help matters.

[kaspur_eh]

All teachers I have come into contact with are liberal. Many are irrationally liberal. There is nothing that you can do but give her a terrible review at the end of the class, thats what I do.

[Dakota435]

Litti, Liberal is just an insult in America - its actual meaning has no bearing on how its used. Strange isn't it :E

It's not an insult, it's a description of someone who is center left in the US political spectrum. If I call someone a liberal I'm only using a shorthand to describe them or their mindset in general terms and in the US this is mildly center left. It's only considered an insult by "liberals" themselves for mysterious reasons. Certainly no conservative considers being called conservative an insult.

Being called a leftist is much more of an insult, since leftists were responsible for much of the mayhem of the last century.

[thscott83]

Raise your hand a lot, and methodically rip up her arguments, one by one, without insulting her. It will take a lot of Phish albums, chai, zoloft and crying for her to recover.

[Mr.K]

If she teaching journalism and is taking sides, tell yur faculty that she is incapabl of remaining neutrl and as such is a **** teacher
Journalists always take sides.

[exarmyguard]

I'm well aware of the policies of this site, and i dont believe stating my view on the Vietnam war will get me banned.

Dont take politics so personal. It's my opinion, you have yours. A healthy discussion is not a bad thing. We're in "Political Discussions and Rants" remember?

Thank you for your reply. I do not take politic's personally nor to I wish to see you get banned for expressing your opinion. I think that some people may consider saying such things as "inflammatory", in which case you may find yourself getting an email notifying you as such. That was my only point. Good day.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

And rightfully so If I might add. We need people with empathy, not greed, if we want to make this world work in future. Our hope lies in the future generations so it´s better to teach them to take care of others instead of just themselves.

What are the negatives of being liberal by the way?

Liberal :

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

Surely you're able to construct circumstances under which each of the "plusses" of liberalism are negatives.

How about someone who is not limited by established, traditional views on tigers, getting into a tiger cage, for example? Or how about somebody who is tolerant of the behavior of her husband, who feels-up her daughter on a nightly basis? You see, it does not take long for the real world to handily deconstruct the glass house of liberalism. And I'm not sure what connection you're trying to make between greed an liberalism. Advocacy has become an industry onto itself, and Jesse Jackson's $2000 Armani suits are not being bought with good intentions.

[dave81]

I seem to be in the minority here, but I agree with your teacher. Most Americans *do* expect everyone to know English, and never bother to learn anything about another country's culture or language when visiting (if they bother to visit at all), or even just in general.
A few simple tests:
1.) Ask your friends what the capital of Australia is, just out of the blue. See how many of them can answer that correctly.
(Hint: It's not Sydney.)
2.) Ask if any of them can tell you what the difference is between England and the United Kingdom.
3.) Ask how many of them can point out India on a map.

I was talking to an Australian a few months back and he was genuinely surprised that I happened to know who the Prime Minister of Australia was...not that I could point him out in a line-up, mind you, but I did know the man's name, which, he said, was more than any other American he'd met.

[Durandal]

So, I just started a new quarter at Columbus State where I take 15 credit hours of classes. I'm a journalist major, so I have to take lots of writing classes and Ive yet to get a class that didnt have some liberal asshat teacher. This qurater is no exception as I've got the worst one so far. The very first day of class this woman rants on an on about how America is arrogant for expecting people to learn english and that we are so dangerous and destructive that other countries will probably destroy us soon. After all of this she explain that her views are "progressive" or "Forword-thinking, which was the last straw for me. I cant stand it when someone labels their arguments that way because it implies any other idea is backwards or stupid.

What am I going to do? There is no way I can sit through 3 months of this crap.

Drop the class or argue back intelligently and when I say intelligently, I mean better than some opinionated ass hat that simply wants to offend.

[WarriorMonk]

I seem to be in the minority here, but I agree with your teacher. Most Americans *do* expect everyone to know English, and never bother to learn anything about another country's culture or language when visiting (if they bother to visit at all), or even just in general.
A few simple tests:
1.) Ask your friends what the capital of Australia is, just out of the blue. See how many of them can answer that correctly.
(Hint: It's not Sydney.)
2.) Ask if any of them can tell you what the difference is between England and the United Kingdom.
3.) Ask how many of them can point out India on a map.

I was talking to an Australian a few months back and he was genuinely surprised that I happened to know who the Prime Minister of Australia was...not that I could point him out in a line-up, mind you, but I did know the man's name, which, he said, was more than any other American he'd met.


What about those Americans who do expect everyone to know English and do know about other countries?

1 - it's Canberra, pretty sure it is.
2 - England is actually only one "state" in the United Kingdom of Great Britain, the UK also consists of North Ireland, Scotland, and Wales - pretty sure I got that one.
3 - I can definitely point out India on a map.

[Geezah]

The very first day of class this woman rants on an on about how America is arrogant for expecting people to learn english

Does she think we should learn Spanish because of all the illegals invading the States?

[Kant]

So, I just started a new quarter at Columbus State where I take 15 credit hours of classes. I'm a journalist major, so I have to take lots of writing classes and Ive yet to get a class that didnt have some liberal asshat teacher. This qurater is no exception as I've got the worst one so far. The very first day of class this woman rants on an on about how America is arrogant for expecting people to learn english and that we are so dangerous and destructive that other countries will probably destroy us soon. After all of this she explain that her views are "progressive" or "Forword-thinking, which was the last straw for me. I cant stand it when someone labels their arguments that way because it implies any other idea is backwards or stupid.

What am I going to do? There is no way I can sit through 3 months of this crap.
Break out into spontaneous yodelling and/or breakdancing everytime she opens her mouth.
Or explain how you feel,but through the medium of interprative dance.
Works everytime.

[Kant]

Does she think we should learn Spanish because of all the illegals invading the States?
Is it really that much to expect?
Jesus.

[Baboonass]

Drop the class or ague back intelligently and when I say intelligently, I mean better than some opinionated ass hat that simply wants to offend.

I tend to agree with this one, or the guys who said to sit tight, nod your head every once in a while, and ace the class.

Keep in mind, many collsge proffessors of this ilk gain their entire worldly knowledge from books or conversations with the same ilk.

Although I do not completely disregard this way of gaining knowledge, sitting in a echo chamber without some serious outside differing opinions and actually experiencing the world around you tends to get a bit, incestuous.

Case in point, the difference between the opinions of people living in the war zone, and those in the saftey of their homes/school, are typically drastically different.

It's really no matter, if your convictions are true and right, uber right/left wing loonys are not going to change that.

Take what she spouts, investigate it for yourself, draw your own opinion.

This is how we get smart.

[Geezah]

Is it really that much to expect?
Jesus.

Actually that would be Jesús.

;)

[Baboonass]

Actually that would be Jesús.

;)

Hey Zuse?

Que?

[ibstolidude]

Hey Zuse?

Que?
Well you know what Jesus said...."You said it, man. Nobody farks with the Jesus."

[ren0312]

Litti, Liberal is just an insult in America - its actual meaning has no bearing on how its used. Strange isn't it :E

The word liberal actually came out of the Great Depression, Franklin Roosevelts's New Deal policies were actually quite socialistic in nature, but since the word socialist was associatied with the word Communist, it carried a negative connotation, hence the reason why the New Deal and its supporters were called liberals, as opposed the the economic policies of Herbert Hoover, which were based on classical economics, and since those policies came before the Great Depression and the New Deal, those policies were called conservative, to differentiate them from the New Deal policies, which were called liberal, this is the reason why the words libertarianism and liberalism have different meanings in the United States.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Look man, every time the snotty b*tch turns around to write on the chalk board, throw a lemon merengue pie at the board.

That'll let her know she's pissing someone off in her class with her liberal dribble.........

[vryhpyammoadded]

I ran into a similar predicament concerning a poli-sci professor who announced day one that he was a communist and intended to end our ignorance of the fascist Reagan administration and attempt to make us all good communists by semester end. He even stated failure to accept his teachings or attempts to “combat” him would result in failure of the course.
My first step was attempting to change classes. This failed when I discovered the class was mandatory and that he was the only professor teaching it. I then approached my advisor and strongly protested. He pretty much told me my only option was to attend the class and bite my tongue or take a similar, transferable (unlikely), class at some other college. I chose to take the pain but couldn’t stand it and challenged him so often that I had to fight the university tooth and nail vs the instructor’s antics to squeak by with a D. My GPA suffered accordingly.
By the way, the poor ROTC students were also forced to attend this clown’s class. The instructor regularly taunted them about how he could screw there commission and that he strongly believed in doing so to save them.

My suggestion, if there is no way out, keep your mouth shut and make the grade. Save your protests for after you get the grade. Fighting the clown isn’t worth the GPA drop.

There’s justice though. That goateed, little round glasses Trotsky clone professor eagerly left to join the Sandinistas during the Nicaraguan revolution, to fight Yankee imperialism and prove his faith. The university sadly told us some time later that witnesses say he disappeared around the time of a Contra attack on a village he was teaching at. I wonder if he got to dig his own grave and a shovel in the jugular.

By the way, the semester he left, I retook the class and aced it. The class was also full of ROTC’s who saved it till the last year in hopes of avoiding that nut job.

[Baboonass]

I have freinds that were in classes that ctudents would get extra credit for attending protest rallys, but when asked about credit for attending a troop support rally, the proffessor would exlaim that rallly's like that were of little to no relevence.


Ain't nothing liberal about a liberal.

[Dronetek]

I have freinds that were in classes that ctudents would get extra credit for attending protest rallys, but when asked about credit for attending a troop support rally, the proffessor would exlaim that rallly's like that were of little to no relevence.


Ain't nothing liberal about a liberal.

That might have drove me to punch him in face.

[Elmo]

Punch him in the face?

Perhaps the professor in question was out of line but punch him in the face?

When it comes to your journalism class, speak up, debate, if the forum is open. What's the big deal?

Debate, dialogue. Where would we be without it? I know. Nowhere.

And you can always assure yourself with the old cliche that without the mighty military this woman wouldn't have the right to free speech.

BTW, isn't it drive, drove, driven. As in might have driven?

Spelling is important in journalism.

[Baboonass]

Punch him in the face?

Perhaps the professor in question was out of line but punch him in the face?

When it comes to your journalism class, speak up, debate, if the forum is open. What's the big deal?

Debate, dialogue. Where would we be without it? I know. Nowhere.

And you can always assure yourself with the old cliche that without the mighty military this woman wouldn't have the right to free speech.

.

Not quite.

Anyone who has been in this perdicement will tell you the same, arguing your opposing view point is far more likely to result in a lower grade than any form of "healthy" debate.

Debate and dialog are fine, if both parties are actually inersted in learning from each other, otherwise it becomes largly what happens here, everyone yelling over each other completely convinced that they are right unable to see anything outside of their own point of view.

If you college proffessor begins his or her class in this manner, then there is very little to be "discussed" or "debated". It's their way, or no way.

It's a very unfortuante side of "higher learning".

[Jobu]

Get the grade and get out. Journalism is no place for conservatives these days. It's a cesspool of socialism with tenured professors, which gives them a license for idiocy.

[Elmo]

Not quite.


Ok, if what you say is true, then the whole class is a farce. I've been studying in Finland and the Netherlands and the classes I have taken haven't been politically charged. I mean, nothing is objective, of course, but there has always been a distance to "reality" and it has been clear that theories are always social constructions and therefore our perceived reality is not fixed. Debate is welcome.

One class I took got out of hand. This Iranian lecturer who fled the islamic revolution started to provocate the students with his democratization of the Middle East -ethos and the classes became a mixture of shouting and eye-rolling. However, the lecturer said that although he knows he's pretty much right, he encourages debate and wouldn't punish anyone for whatever views he or she might push forward. And that's the way it went. Quite interesting, actually. You could ace the class even though you had yelled at the lecturer the whole semester.

[Baboonass]

Ok, if what you say is true, then the whole class is a farce. .



There are many, many cases of this being the case. More goes unreported than reported simply because the student simply wants to attend the class, get what he or she can get a good grade, and scat.

College proffessors do this because they can. It's an obvious abuse of their powers.

It's truely unfortunate.

[Argyll]

That might have drove me to punch him in face.

If you had never served, you might have been in the protesting crowd, just as you think it's alright for you to punch him in the face, he has the same right to punch you in the face for your views.......get over yourself mate, if you major as a journo, how are you going to make a living from it, without having to eat "liberal humble pie", you keep telling us all you hate the media, and yet you're becoming part of the very same system that you detest so much...:roll:

You need to bear in mind, you'll need the breaks to get the jobs, with the attitude you're showing over this proffesor,nobody will hire an outspoken ex Iraq veteran, especially when the attitudes towards the whole war are changing pretty rapidly in your home country.........College is like the Military mate..........suck it up,and makes something of yourself, or quit and be called a loser.

[Jobu]

Punch the teacher in the face and then mention how fighting back would be against those "progressive" values. Then keep punching until they learn.

[California Joe]

Like I said before. It's a life lesson and you learn to pick your battles. Life isn't fair. I despise the fact that some of these people abuse their captive audience with a slanted view or a wingnut opinion but unfortunately it happens. I completely agree with Match that a lot of college level professors and teachers have no real life experience outside of academia and it is an insular world. That colors their viewpoint. I actually had a couple of very conservatively minded hard core republican professors when I was in college. Course, I went to a rather conservative school. I agreed with them on some issues and not on others. But it was my job to do well in their class, not argue with them. Unlike internet forums where banning is the only threat, they don't have to put up with you telling them their ideas are sh*t. They can make your real life suck. So get over it. If you joined the military and you didn't agree with the Drill instructor telling you to choke yourself would you offer to punch him in the face for his views on your iminent asphyxiation? Didn't think so.

[MkH]

What is the US definition of Liberal?

Communist.

[RomanS]

you need to graduate no matter what
the real experience and lessons will be gained working in the field.

Grind your teeth, and get through it. Who gives a fuk what she thinks. Its the grade that you need.

[NixXxoN]

Raise your hand a lot, and methodically rip up her arguments, one by one, without insulting her. It will take a lot of Phish albums, chai, zoloft and crying for her to recover.
That dont work on the people to the right so why would it work to the left? People have their views and changing them takes time. Often looong time!



If you joined the military and you didn't agree with the Drill instructor telling you to choke yourself would you offer to punch him in the face for his views on your iminent asphyxiation? Didn't think so.

HAHA! Good one!

[Firetxmi]

I had a hard core conservative for my U.S. History Professor. He even made daily jabs about the South and in particular Texas (my home state). He was an old Korean War vet (This was last year that I had him) and crabby all the time. And you know what I did? I sat through his class, kept my mouth shut, and got a B, I learned so much that semester from his class to boot! I may have disagreed with him on damn near everything, but he taught me to think differently and especially when it comes to history. So I guess all I have to say is open your mind and not your mouth.

[GeneralForrest1]

Join the club.. I had a prof at my college claim on the first day that Jesus was a fake and a fraud. I told him, after her said that, that I think his statement was crap. That started off a "lovely" relationship with him. I must admit he did grade me fairly though. I say front your prof IF YOUR GPA OR GRADUATING DOESNT DEPEND ON IT. If it does depend on it.. just suck it up and BASH him.her later.

[Durandal]

ƒuck...

Everyone who thinks this is the end of the world needs to quit their crying.

I had a poli-sci professor...a woman and a liberal, much like, it sounds, this teacher.

Big deal. I disagreed and I did so in my writing and my in class discussions. that does not mean the class was a waste. I DID learn some things and I got to see some pretty cool guest speakers, including Helmut Schmidt and two representatives from Ireland (one from the IRA and one from the English Army).

I did my term paper on Grenada and the jousting between Cuba and the U.S. in the region and got an A.

This was back in 1990, when I was in ROTC, so every Thursday I was also in uniform to boot, along with another guy who was in NROTC.

Get a pair.

I am REALLY tired of hearing all the "The think differently than me so I am being wronged." You sound like a bunch of pu$$ies.

:cantbeli: rofl rofl rofl

Not a bunch of smart, bad ass, conservatives...

[LaoSexMachine]

So Dronetek, if people don't share you views they are wrong and a "liberal"?

[GeneralForrest1]

I just love it when a lib prof allows someone to "open" their mind. It seems to always be the conservative students that needs to open their minds or consider the other side. Of course when the few conservative profs and/or out there express their opinion they are usually bigots, hate-monger,s or at best, the token conservative professor in a perticular dept. There are things that one should not "open" there mind to i believe.