New Russian Airplanes

[corran.pl]

MiG-35 - proporsal for India
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And modernised MiG-29 9.13
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new Su-35
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3925/su35bmjanuarypresentatiql8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

official delivery of second serial Su-34 (as you can see this plane has no seats)
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Su-24M2
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[Berkut]

Originally posted by "Kusch" @ lockon.ru forum
http://www.forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=20780

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Good old SMT
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More Pics : http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/10/1575#more-1575
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/10/1593#more-1593

[Dark Avenger]

Neat pics Corran! ;)
AFAIK the MiG-35 is the operational variant of the supermanoeuverable MiG-29 OVT.
And it is being offered to India with the Bars-29 radar, which is essentially a scaled down and lighter version of the Bars radar of the Su-30MKI. I don't like the camo overmuch though... F-16ish Hill Grey... I expected the MiG paint shop staff to be more, ehm, imaginative...

[Brute]

Is that an AESA on the second photo? Or is that a passive array?

[corran.pl]

MiG-35 is in fact a new airplane comparing to good old MiG-29 9.12 - the first variant it has redesigned airframe, new wings, and new engines with thrust vectoring, and completely new avionics.


Is that an AESA on the second photo? Or is that a passive array?

Yes, Bars-29 is an active electronically scanned array radar.

[Raphael Cortez]

Amazing birds man, thanks for sharin them. The russian fighters are so beautiful.

[John Crighton]

No flame intended, but why do all Russian aircraft look the same since the MIG 29?

Nice looking aircraft never the less.

[IDF-Godzilla]

I was always thinking the that armaments capacity of the MiG-29 is too low, will the new MiG-35 veriant could carry more then 3X1X3 armament configuration?

[Ghelp]

Great photos.Some of the best photos I have seen.

[Baaszen]

Great Photos ...

Additional information from FAS.org about the MiG 35 / Version 1.42 Multirole Front-Line Fighter (MFI)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm

[perdurabo]

No flame intended, but why do all Russian aircraft look the same since the MIG 29?

Nice looking aircraft never the less.
because it is good aerodynamic shape? look at gripen, rafale, lavi, eurofighter, j-10 they have same look. F-15, MiG-25/31 also look like relatives. There are one physic laws for all so if something is optimal for the task it will be invented and used.

[droopy]

I was always thinking the that armaments capacity of the MiG-29 is too low, will the new MiG-35 veriant could carry more then 3X1X3 armament configuration?

Well it`s a front line fighter just like the MiG-21 it is based very close to the "action" so it would have very short missions in wich it would either be shotdown or it would come home for a quick reload.

The Su-27 has 10 missile pilons because it has to patrol the large areas of Russia North.

[AFACadet]

MiG-35 is in fact a new airplane comparing to good old MiG-29 9.12 - the first variant it has redesigned airframe, new wings, and new engines with thrust vectoring, and completely new avionics.



Yes, Bars-29 is an active electronically scanned array radar.

No, Bars-29 isn't an AESA radar.

[socom6]

Wow lovely pics of Russian aircraft.

[KillerBD]

Nice pics, I love em ;)

[corran.pl]

No, Bars-29 isn't an AESA radar.

You are right :cantbeli: Sorry.


Great Photos ...

Additional information from FAS.org about the MiG 35 / Version 1.42 Multirole Front-Line Fighter (MFI)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm

The MiG-35 above is a totally different aircraft, the designation MiG-35 was used for MiG MFI/1.42/1.44 project but this project was dropped. The new MiG-35 is a redesigned and upgraded MiG-29 (something like Super Hornet and old Hornet).

[AT-T]

No flame intended, but why do all Russian aircraft look the same since the MIG 29?

Infact the basic design wasn't developed by Suchoj or MiG but by TsAGI (Central aero- and hydrodynamics research institute). It proved excellent maneuverability,lift and especially AOA-capabilities, so is used by both soviet fighter manufacturers for their aircraft since the late 70s.

BTW MiG-31 look different, obviously since it has a specialized purpose.

[somedude]

Very nice, are the electronics Russian? In the past, I think Russian fighters for India often have an Israeli/French avionics package.

[AT-T]

Su-30MKI for India had Israeli electronics. For the own army Russia however still maintains it's doctrine of purely domestic weapons. It became some cracks after the fall of SU, for example KrAZ, MAZ (military trucks), Peleng (tank sighting systems), Malyshev (tanks) and Yushmash (ICBMs) turned to be on belarussian and ukrainian soils but they are now trying to establish own production capabilities in this sectors. Most ukrainian production is already replaced (for example ICBMs are now made by Moscow Heat Technologies Research Institute), belarussia, which was a major soviet electronics producer, is a friendlier country and still produce significant share of russian weaponry

Therefore the electronis for russian sukhojs are either russian or belarussian.

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

Very nice pictures! Thank you.

[nick_ua]

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9463/1zj4.jpg

that one without ejection seats, and more likely wont fly soon

[GazB]

that one without ejection seats, and more likely wont fly soon


Why do you think that?

Do you think seats that are designed to be ejected in an emergency are a structural part of the cockpit design?

Saying the plane won't be flying any time soon because the seats are not fitted is like suggesting it also wont be flying any time soon because it currently has no fuel and its wing pylons are not currently fitted with live weapons.


In the past, I think Russian fighters for India often have an Israeli/French avionics package.

The Avionics in the Su-30MKI were from different countries because that was what India wanted. Some parts are French, some are Israeli, some are Indian. The Russian Su-30 does not have any Israeli or French parts.

[aruns_army]

Is India Going To Buy Thes Planes

[calimero2]

Su-24M2

That looks more like an export Su-24MK to me. Here's the Su-24M2 for the Russian AF:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1889/su24m2rus05wq1.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su24m2rus05wq1.jpg)

[Xaito]

The Su-27 has 10 missile pilons because it has to patrol the large areas of Russia North.

don't forget the difference in size - Su-27 is a bigger bird (about 30% bigger - its similar to the size difference between US F-15 and F-16)
its only natural that it can carry more payload

[Lefty]

Indian air force is looking into SU-24s? Great, one of my favorite aircraft, will be hopefully interesting to see them in Indian service.

[IDF-Godzilla]

don't forget the difference in size - Su-27 is a bigger bird (about 30% bigger - its similar to the size difference between US F-15 and F-16)
its only natural that it can carry more payload
The F-16 and the MiG-29 are bouth in the same class, but the F-16 is more capable of getting the job done, it can carry more armaments and precise weapons, not like the MiG-29.

[Xaito]

The F-16 and the MiG-29 are bouth in the same class, but the F-16 is more capable of getting the job done, it can carry more armaments and precise weapons, not like the MiG-29.

I was talking about the size not their capabilities (and I wont start as it will end in a pissing contest ;) )

[perdurabo]

The F-16 and the MiG-29 are bouth in the same class, but the F-16 is more capable of getting the job done, it can carry more armaments and precise weapons, not like the MiG-29.
you would be strongly disapointed with F-16 A/B C/D blocks below 30 and without MLU/ADF upgrade, comparing it to first versions of MiG 29, Soviet machine would win in all areas. In 90ties west made realy big step up while east stayed down thats why now 29 looses to 16. But Russians will catch up, no doubt about it.

[corran.pl]

Why do you think that?

Do you think seats that are designed to be ejected in an emergency are a structural part of the cockpit design?

Saying the plane won't be flying any time soon because the seats are not fitted is like suggesting it also wont be flying any time soon because it currently has no fuel and its wing pylons are not currently fitted with live weapons.

AFAIK This plane also has almost no avionics, so it defiantly won't fly soon. Maybe it was delivered earlier becoyse of financial reasons or something like that.

[Lewis]

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9463/1zj4.jpg

that one without ejection seats, and more likely wont fly soon

Thats a 'Fullback' I think, been flying for ages.
Simular cockpit to F111, except the pilots can get out of there seats and go fo a piss.....:-)

[CyberSpec]

Thats a 'Fullback' I think, been flying for ages.
Simular cockpit to F111, except the pilots can get out of there seats and go fo a piss.....:-)

It's just started to enter active service. You're probably thinking of the prototype(s) that flew at airshows.

Beautiful pictures BTW....Thx.

[Andrew116]

A new Su-35!?

So this would be there 12th?

Idk, looks like a Su-27 or 30, not a 35

[ARA662]

MiG-35 would be equipped with the “Zhuk” radar and be capable of going against aerial, ground and surface targets. The “Zhuk” has a phased antenna array.

[JVeld]

Amazing birds.....just beautiful....Im specially loving the SU-34 .
Thanks for posting.

[lokito50]

im doing a project for school(aviation) and im supposed to write a 25-30 page report based on an engine...we are asked to contact manufacturers for technical manuals...so i need to pick an engine and get the most information i can about it...maybe you guys can help me out...i think none of my classmates has chosen a russian engine...i assume there isnt much info in english but if there is any of any engine that one of you could help me with i will appreciate it....it can be turbofan, turbojet, turboprop or turboshaft....thanks a lot....nice pics, good looking fighters.....

[AT-T]

Look here.

NPO Saturn is the merged Lyulka and Rybinsk KBs. (su-27 family and cruise missile engines)
http://www.npo-saturn.ru/

Klimov KB (Mig-29, most soviet Helicopters and T-80 tank engines)
http://www.klimov.ru/

Aviadvigatel (former Soloview KB, MiG-31 and civilian airliner engines)
http://www.avid.ru/

Kuznetzov KB (most tupolew bombers and civilian airliner engines)
http://motor-s.ru/

[lokito50]

Look here.

NPO Saturn is the merged Lyulka and Rybinsk KBs. (su-27 family and cruise missile engines)
http://www.npo-saturn.ru/

Klimov KB (Mig-29, most soviet Helicopters and T-80 tank engines)
http://www.klimov.ru/

Aviadvigatel (former Soloview KB, MiG-31 and civilian airliner engines)
http://www.avid.ru/

Kuznetzov KB (most tupolew bombers and civilian airliner engines)
http://motor-s.ru/
i dont speak russian...sorry

[stayr]

i dont speak russian...sorry
what problem?
switch to English:roll:

[artinist]

is it flybywire?

[lokito50]

what problem?
switch to English:roll:
where would i do that?

[AT-T]

On every of those websites is a "switch to english"or "english version" or "ENG" link which performs a miracle of changing the websites languages.

[Universe]

Awesome pictures I just think the Russians should phase out the su-24 fencer with the su-34 quicker

[lokito50]

On every of those websites is a "switch to english"or "english version" or "ENG" link which performs a miracle of changing the websites languages.
ok thx...imma ask my russian buddy to click on it for me..thanks a lot

[Angrykirill]

ok thx...imma ask my russian buddy to click on it for me..thanks a lot

Mate, you don't need to, the "switch to english" is written in english (latin letters) and stands out from everything else :)

[nick_ua]

It's just started to enter active service. You're probably thinking of the prototype(s) that flew at airshows.
u missed the point, this second one is not reall yet, it either been prototype or more likely not fully build and fully equiped second Su 35, and as a sign it doesn't even have ejection seats

[pedro_rafael]

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/977/img5614smkp9.jpg

Myyyyyyy Goooooodness !!

WOW !!!!!!!!

Regards,

[Brute]

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No, Bars-29 isn't an AESA radar.


I just found out that it's not a Bars-29 but a Zhuk-AE (Жук-АЭ) and what you are witnessing here is, in fact, an active phased array, a "first" for any Russian fighter. woot



Подробные данные о возможностях и характеристиках МиГ-35 до журналистов не доводились, однако того, что они увидели, было достаточно для оценки технологического уровня нового истребителя. Всеобщий интерес вызвал новейший радиолокатор "Жук-АЭ", оснащенный активной фазированной антенной решеткой (АФАР). Благодаря сотрудничеству РСК "МиГ" и корпорации "Фазотрон-НИИР" МиГ-35 стал первым российским истребителем, на котором появилась такая БРЛС, ассоциирующаяся с авиационной техникой пятого поколения.

The detailed data about the possibilities and the characteristics of the MiG-35 to the journalists were not disclosed; however, that which they saw was sufficient for evaluating the technological level of new fighter. Common interest caused the newest radar "Beetle- AE", equipped with the active phased antenna array (AFAR- rus acronym for AESA). Because of the collaboration of RSK the "MiG" and corporations "Fazotron -NIIR", the MiG-35 became the first Russian fighter, on which appeared this BRLS(rus acronym for an onboard radar), which is associated with aviation equipment of the fifth generation.
http://www.vpk-news.ru/article.asp?pr_sign=archive.2007.168.articles.defence_01



From a news article posted on Sukhoi.ru:

http://forum.sukhoi.ru/showthread.php?t=45331


woot

[fantomas]

nice F-22 fodder. whatever happened to Berkut or whatever they called it.

[Universe]

Berkut is used as the basis for the sukhoi t-50 pak fa.

[nick_ua]

Su 34 cabin
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/5504/1cpibusw0.jpg
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[Lokos]

nice F-22 fodder. whatever happened to Berkut or whatever they called it

Leave this thread.

Lokos

[bilbo baggins]

I admit to not following these matters closely for the last 5-6 years but does that updated *** new version MiG-29 have a 2D or 3D swivelling nozzle on the engine?

Same applies to the rest, which have 2D or 3D nozzles?

The latest versions are VERY elegant planes, it'd just be nice if the Russian Government bought more than handful at a time. AND no I don't believe all of the various ****ouncements as to how many are to be procured in the next 10 years or so...........call me a cynic.

[nahimov]

I admit to not following these matters closely for the last 5-6 years but does that updated *** new version MiG-29 have a 2D or 3D swivelling nozzle on the engine?

Same applies to the rest, which have 2D or 3D nozzles?

The latest versions are VERY elegant planes, it'd just be nice if the Russian Government bought more than handful at a time. AND no I don't believe all of the various ****ouncements as to how many are to be procured in the next 10 years or so...........call me a cynic.

Latest Mig29s have 3D nozzles. I belive they are the first fighter planes to have those. Su27s have 2D nozzles still.

[bilbo baggins]

Thanks for that..........I remain surprised 2D or 3D nozzels are not in wider service. :roll:

There is a prototype under investigation for the TYPHOON through a Spanish part of the EuroFighter consortium, altho this appears to be more an investigation of the Technology rather than a serious attempt at introducing one into service.

And thats about it, outside of Russia that is.

The US and Germany had their Joint Programme but that definitely was a technology exploration.

[nahimov]

Thanks for that..........I remain surprised 2D or 3D nozzels are not in wider service. :roll:

There is a prototype under investigation for the TYPHOON through a Spanish part of the EuroFighter consortium, altho this appears to be more an investigation of the Technology rather than a serious attempt at introducing one into service.

And thats about it, outside of Russia that is.

The US and Germany had their Joint Programme but that definitely was a technology exploration.

Well, western "doctrine" is that most of air engagements are going to be done from beond visual range, so making your fighter extra manuvarble does not win you any points but Russians disagree.

[bilbo baggins]

Well, western "doctrine" is that most of air engagements are going to be done from beond visual range, so making your fighter extra manuvarble does not win you any points but Russians disagree.

Quite BUT you wouldn't want to be in a cockpit, your privates in your hand 'cos you have fired all your missiles and there is STILL an enemy fighter bearing down on you! :roll:

I'm amazed altho not surprised that the UK MoD tried to get away with no gun for the TYPHOON after the Batch 1's..............

In most countries they should stick the Accountants in a cockpit and see how they feel..............p-)

[p$ycho+log!cal]

nice pics, thx alot

[Heron]

Su-34 From Achtubinsk
http://www.youtube.com/v/KoPiY0Un6iM

[GreySpawn]

the main problem with 3d-trhrust vectoring engines is really short time between engine overhaul. while mainstream engines has about 1000 filight hours between maintanance, 3d only about 100. but they of course will be improved.

[ARA662]

Well, western "doctrine" is that most of air engagements are going to be done from beond visual range, so making your fighter extra manuvarble does not win you any points but Russians disagree.

So instead why don't they just put some missiles on a 747?