Canadian Victoria Class Submarines

[ice55]

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21 December 2006
Halifax, NS
A rare site of two Canadian subs sailing together into homeport for the Christmas holidays. Seen leading the pack is the HMCS Cornerbrook with the HMCS Windsor following. The HMCS Cornerbrook and the HMCS Windsor arrived in the early dawn coming along side in Halifax today in Nova Scotia on the 21st of December 2006

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Sailing home for the Christmas holidays, the crew of Her Majesties Canadian Ship (HMCS) Cornerbrook return to their homeport of Halifax. Seen here is the HMCS Cornerbrook.

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The Commander of Joint Task Force Atlantic, Rear-Admiral Dean McFadden returns the salute to the Captains of the HMCS Cornerbrook and the HMCS Windsor as they sail past while entering the Halifax harbour. To the right of Rear-Admiral McFadden is Leading Seaman Tammy Comeau seen piping "the still" during the sail past. Photo captured today, December 21, 2006 from the bridge of Rear-Admiral's McFadden's office in D-201 6th floor.

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Sailing home for the Christmas holidays, Her Majesties Canadian Ship (HMCS) Windsor returns to their homeport of Halifax. Seen here is a close-up of HMCS Windsor's conning tower and crew. The HMCS Windsor and the HMCS Cornerbrook sailed in together in the early dawn before coming along side in Halifax today in Nova Scotia on the 21st of December 2006

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[Fenna]

I say, those are awfully nice sumbarines!

[boone]

they are nice subs........NOW!

Darn Pomey used car salesmen *grumble*

[Kingswat]

repost

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100685

[22.5degrees]

Those subs are crap. If I'm not mistaken they are the same subs that the British built then immediately dry docked due to poor performance. We later bought them diesel electric subs that cost Canada a mint just to make sea worthy again then have a sailor killed ferrying it back home beacuse of poor electrical design.

Canada has no need for submarines, why we bought three of them is beyond me.

22.5

[shortyirish12]

haha I did basic with comeau 6 years ago.....funny where people end up.

[guest]

Those subs are crap. If I'm not mistaken they are the same subs that the British built then immediately dry docked due to poor performance. We later bought them diesel electric subs that cost Canada a mint just to make sea worthy again then have a sailor killed ferrying it back home beacuse of poor electrical design.

Canada has no need for submarines, why we bought three of them is beyond me.

22.5

Wow.. where to begin..

1: Please explain, WHY they are crap.
(specifics please)

2: Please cite the source you are using as to why the British mothballed them.

3: Please.. oh pretty please, explain whay Canada has no need for subs.. and your qualifications in offering such an opinion.

I'm no sub "expert", but based on some research, and some conversations with "sub Guys"...

1: The Victoria class are one the fastest and quietest long range SSKs

They were designed to do one thing, hunt and kill Soviet Boomers.

Are they top of the line 10 years on? No.. but still in the top 5, and still very dangerous.

2: We've updated them with modern sensors/sonar ect.. nothing wrong with what they can see, hear, track or hit.

3:The British mothballed the fleet due to budget concerns, as well as a decision to go all-nuclear.

4: All the problems we've encountered are due to the poor storage by BAE systems. Not because of poor design.

The subs have cost us more $$$ than was originaly planned, and of course we're still behind schedule.. but buying *new* would have been more expensive.

[heavy lift]

Wow.. where to begin..

1: Please explain, WHY they are crap.
(specifics please)

2: Please cite the source you are using as to why the British mothballed them.

3: Please.. oh pretty please, explain whay Canada has no need for subs.. and your qualifications in offering such an opinion.

I'm no sub "expert", but based on some research, and some conversations with "sub Guys"...

1: The Victoria class are one the fastest and quietest long range SSKs

They were designed to do one thing, hunt and kill Soviet Boomers.

Are they top of the line 10 years on? No.. but still in the top 5, and still very dangerous.

2: We've updated them with modern sensors/sonar ect.. nothing wrong with what they can see, hear, track or hit.

3:The British mothballed the fleet due to budget concerns, as well as a decision to go all-nuclear.

4: All the problems we've encountered are due to the poor storage by BAE systems. Not because of poor design.

The subs have cost us more $$$ than was originaly planned, and of course we're still behind schedule.. but buying *new* would have been more expensive.
YEAH, What he said

[Vraltupp]

Only diesel electric subs worth buying are the german Dolphin class or the swedish Gotland class!

[Eggy]

The pictures won't show up for me?


Only diesel electric subs worth buying are the german Dolphin class or the swedish Gotland class!
:bash:

[lordroel]

Only diesel electric subs worth buying are the german Dolphin class or the swedish Gotland class!

what obout dutch submarines

[Hutz]

Considering the amount of coastline we have, how the hell do we not need subs. Must be the most ignorant statement I've heard so far this week.

Here's a whole bunch of pics
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/current/upholder/

[Vraltupp]

what obout dutch submarines

thought the dutchies bought german dolphins?

[Eggy]

No the Dutch Navy operates four Walrus class submarines, a bit bigger than Dolphin class.

[lordroel]

thought the dutchies bought german dolphins?

whe make them our self for the last 100 years

[kutter]

Only diesel electric subs worth buying are the german Dolphin class or the swedish Gotland class!

Ohhh, thems figthen words!

[sir-chimp]

what the hell are canadians going to do with a submarine?

canadians dont belong under water

except for the residents of quebec - lots of water and lots of soap.

[Vraltupp]

No the Dutch Navy operates four Walrus class submarines, a bit bigger than Dolphin class.

never heard of them, gotta check them out, thanks!

[ice55]

Sorry for the repost, I looked, I swear!!!

[Sebastian]

what the hell are canadians going to do with a submarine?

canadians dont belong under water

except for the residents of quebec - lots of water and lots of soap.

We only have two large coastlines to patrol, not inlcuding the Northern part.

:roll:

[22.5degrees]

Let me start with a couple of links.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnsubs/

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/current/upholder/

Note the dates in which the subs were built, then decommissioned and dry docked. Also note that only one sub of the four is operational. The amount of money being wasted to retrofit these subs is incredible. With an already starved military why are we wasting 1 billion plus on 4 old subs?

Why don't we need subs? Who exactly has subs that we need to be concerned about? No one. The US would not permit anyone of hostile intentions anywhere near their coast or ours. I'm not saying Canada should piggy back off the US as an answer. As of now we have one operational sub for the cost of 1 billion and counting. Not exactly a serious presence in defence of our coast line, nor is it cheap. We have 4 subs and yet we have no method of heavy transport for our LAV's, tanks or any other vehicle. Our aging C-130 hercules fleet is in need of replacement, our F-18's are in the same boat. Most of our military operations are conducted on the surface, usually land. So we spend a pile on submersible vehicles? Doesn't make any sense to me.

22.5

[ice55]

There are at least two active as the pictures are of the two of them returning from exercises in December, Chicoutimi is obviously not operational and I am not sure about the fourth.

We don't want to depend on the Americans and the ability to have our subs to monitor our waters not just for defence but for economics is invaluable. Should we have bought these subs and not new ones, maybe, that is a valid debate but the arguement that a country with sea borders our size does not need subs is in error, in my opinion.

[JoaMei]

Only diesel electric subs worth buying are the german Dolphin class or the swedish Gotland class!

No, the only worth buying are the 212 and the 214 class subs. p-)