Gov: Mass. police won't arrest illegals

[Seraphim]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_re_us/massachusetts_immigration

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Somebody needs to kick the new Governor in the crotch.



"I think that strikes the right balance between our responsibility to assure public safety and our responsibility to respond to the concerns about illegal immigration,"


So apparently, they have no responsibility to respond to the concern about illegal immigration. Truth be told, this has exactly nothing to do with enforcing our immigration laws, and everything to do with saving money by putting fewer people into jail. Huzzah progressives!

[Ghostryder]

Truth be told, this has exactly nothing to do with enforcing our immigration laws, and everything to do with saving money by putting fewer people into jail.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with that in this case.

[vinny_121_ND]

it will be a problem in 2 years when crime rate soars, and povery increases. deal with it now, no probs in the future.

[Ghostryder]

it will be a problem in 2 years when crime rate soars, and povery increases. deal with it now, no probs in the future.

I don't see what either of those has to do with illegal immigrants.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I don't see what either of those has to do with illegal immigrants.

I nominate you to be the new head of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement . Just think of the money we'll save. :)

[Ghostryder]

I nominate you to be the new head of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement . Just think of the money we'll save. :)

It's true, I'd rewind everything back to 1855

[haze99]

Not surprising, when one divorces themself from reality anything is possible. Name me another country on earth that has thousands, no millions upon millions of NON-citizens (aliens) running loose inside its borders. tick, tick, tick, ding!
Exactly, no other country allows such wanton neglect of its laws or terrority to be overriden by emotionalism! When we wake up one day and all of us live in a third-world, backwater hellhole. Then you can think back to these grand ole days of quality living!

PS-if you thought the education system is bad now, what will it be in ten years? If thought there was rampant crime now? What will it be like in ten years? (With another 10 million aliens running around!) If you thought the US healthcare system was bad now, what will it be like in 10 years when we have another 10+ million aliens sucking up our current health care dollars? Hhhmm food for thought, yes?

[Durandal]

Somebody needs to kick the new Governor in the crotch.

That would make for interesting prime time news coverage.

"Middle Age Bostonian Kicks Governor in the Nut Sack."


So apparently, they have no responsibility to respond to the concern about illegal immigration.

Actually, that is not what the governor claims at all and the article even says as much. The governor , in a nut shell, said they would deport illegal immigrants that commit major crimes (felonies I am assuming though I would think it would also include a chunk of the 1st degree misdemeanors too...anything that gets you jail time really).

He is not going to send State troopers out, on the the tax payer's dime looking for illegals that whose only crime is that they are illegal.


Truth be told, this has exactly nothing to do with enforcing our immigration laws, and everything to do with saving money by putting fewer people into jail.

If the jail problems there are anything like the ones here in SOuthern Ohio, I would support him 100% on this.

I would much rather prefer cops taking down REALLY bad people than wasting time hunting down people working for a pay check.

Come on 2Sheds, even you can see the logic in that...

[Geezah]

it will be a problem in 2 years when crime rate soars, and povery increases. deal with it now, no probs in the future.


I don't see what either of those has to do with illegal immigrants.

I'm guessing you are joking.............


Never heard of MS13???

[vinny_121_ND]

Canada had a similar problem back a few years ago when the chinese thought they could exploit the system by shipping off refugees in containers. The Canadians immigration dept. flipped out and didn't know what to do with them. Nobody protested because reality was, that life in canada can be tough if you are unskilled, and don't even speak english.

What was really sad was the ringleaders promised a life of hope, and fortune in canada if they paid 10,000 american bucks to them first. What ended up as a result was because of their unskilled trade, they can only work for about a dollar an hour washing dishes. Sad story.

I'm sad to say that americans can't just allow aclu to just run the country and expect the tax payers to foot the bill each and everytime.
I'm afraid that racism in the us against mexicans and south americans is going to rise because of suspicion of illegal immigrants. There's gonna be alot more name calling going around.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

He is not going to send State troopers out, on the the tax payer's dime looking for illegals that whose only crime is that they are illegal.



No, but if they have that stupid rule where even if they get arrested, they cannot not ask them their legal status, then that is bullsh*t.

They need to at least be able to inquire about their legal status when a major offence has occured, but then again, what will they do, most likely deport them? Then what? With no real solution right now to keep them away, they're just gonna come back the same way they came before. Its a never ending cycle.

[Ghostryder]

Not surprising, when one divorces themself from reality anything is possible. Name me another country on earth that has thousands, no millions upon millions of NON-citizens (aliens) running loose inside its borders. tick, tick, tick, ding!
Exactly, no other country allows such wanton neglect of its laws or terrority to be overriden by emotionalism! When we wake up one day and all of us live in a third-world, backwater hellhole. Then you can think back to these grand ole days of quality living!

PS-if you thought the education system is bad now, what will it be in ten years? If thought there was rampant crime now? What will it be like in ten years? (With another 10 million aliens running around!) If you thought the US healthcare system was bad now, what will it be like in 10 years when we have another 10+ million aliens sucking up our current health care dollars? Hhhmm food for thought, yes?

Helooo Haze, wake the **** up man.

What's the matter with you people screaming and crying about "illegals" running around stealing 'your' jobs, ruining 'your' schools and stealing 'your' healthcare. Guess what, not two generations ago my family would be considered illegals today; the trash floating in from europe, stinking up new york and making life unbearable for the Madison avenue types. Well guess what, besides the rubber stamp of citizenship that 100 years ago the gov't decided to give everyone, not just the few, my family was exactly like those you denigrate today, and they worked their asses of and they made it, just like those South American immigrants surely will. Haze, your occupation says your a laborer, Have you ever worked a job site with an illegal? Cause I sure have, and they work their ****ing asses off, much harder than me or any of the other guys did. Why? because they have to.
The kind of people who are risking their lives to come to America today are the people who make this country great, you should think about that next time you run your mouth.

[dedgod]

Helooo Haze, wake the **** up man.

The kind of people who are risking their lives to come to America today are the people who make this country great, you should think about that next time you run your mouth.

There's a difference between immigrants and *illegal* immigrants..
it doesn;t seem like you understand the difference or perhaps you do..

I've immigrated here legally and i had to wait 6 years , unable to change my job and my job position during that time...(that means no promotion).. it also means my employer knows i cant go anywhere else or leave my job (you think theyre gonna give me a raise???) but you go through all that just because you want to get into this country legally....

..yet...someone who jumps across the fence is allowed to circumvent all that? "They are riskin lives" ? or beating the system?

Bank thieves risk their lives too..should we give them a pass as well??

ok so now i'm blatantly taking and twisting your words out of context :)
but you see my point..immigration ..and illegal immigration...there's a difference..

The problem imo, is that in this country there is really no easy and straighforward quick way for legal immigration...Which is why i am all for the guest worked program...

[Ghostryder]

Which is why i am all for the guest worked program...

Word, as am I

[helomech]

Call Kerry and Kennedy,they'll ge to the bottom of this........

[haze99]

welcome to America dedgod and thank you for your e-assist!
Apparently with ghostryder the ends justify the means? (BTW, I am fully awake, though I question your alertness to this problem!)
So the rest of us Americans who are busting our hump to make ends meet do not matter? Amazing, non-citizens are better than citizens? Only in the USA would you give place to such nonsense! This whole issue is not happening in a vaccum. It will have (already having) dire consequences for this generation and the ones to come. Ah yes, thank you Geezah for the MS-13 mention, talk about a case in point!
As for the European immigrants to America, if you look back at the numbers they were much smaller in size, for one. It was regulated for the most part (Ellis Island) they came to become Americans and didn't send most, if not all their earnings back to their home nation. They put aside their homelands flag and took up that of America. (Not the other way around) Plus, there were no government serivces that taxed the citizens and gave benefits to immigrants!

Suppose, 10-20 million Russians flooded into Mexico? What would be the result of such a migration? For one thing, it would not be the Mexico you or I know today! (nor a Mexico that Mexicans would be thrilled with!) And you sure would not find them offering Russian langauge service for everything in life!

[Ghostryder]

welcome to America dedgod and thank you for your e-assist!
Apparently with ghostryder the ends justify the means? (BTW, I am fully awake, though I question your alertness to this problem!)
So the rest of us Americans who are busting our hump to make ends meet do not matter? Amazing, non-citizens are better than citizens? Only in the USA would you give place to such nonsense! This whole issue is not happening in a vaccum. It will have (already having) dire consequences for this generation and the ones to come. Ah yes, thank you Geezah for the MS-13 mention, talk about a case in point!
As for the European immigrants to America, if you look back at the numbers they were much smaller in size, for one. It was regulated for the most part (Ellis Island) they came to become Americans and didn't send most, if not all their earnings back to their home nation. They put aside their homelands flag and took up that of America. (Not the other way around) Plus, there were no government serivces that taxed the citizens and gave benefits to immigrants!

Suppose, 10-20 million Russians flooded into Mexico? What would be the result of such a migration? For one thing, it would not be the Mexico you or I know today! (nor a Mexico that Mexicans would be thrilled with!) And you sure would not find them offering Russian langauge service for everything in life!

Everyones equal in my eyes, citizen or not. What benefits do Illegals get "for free" that they really pay for in their wages being below minimum? @ sending money to mexico, who gives a ****? American dollars earned are going to be spent in the United States anyway. You can send an envelope full of $s to the farthest reaches of the world, but the only way you can use it is to buy a product from America. And last but not least, I'm sure it would surprise you to know that during the latter part of the 19th and early 20th century there were areas of New York where yiddish/polish/german/italian/etc. was spoken exclusivly. Then again, don't let economics and history come in the way of your opinions.

[haze99]

Did you even take the time to read my last post? Or did you just copy it to kill cyber-space? (Why are you so worked up over this anyway? Is ICE getting ready to deport you?)
Theres your problem right there, we are not all equal! (Citizens are different from NON-citizens.) Unless you want to play the moral-relativity game? Or invent a new socialist utopia? (no such thing.)
Please, don't allow reality to make an impression on your opinions. Continue to believe in the one-world/global village! And all its wonderful attributes.

uh, benefits to illegal aliens. Let us see how many we can count? That they made across the border without being put into an intern camp for one. How about legal representation in US court for another. (and translators too, mind you!) Baring babies at the local hospital, when they have no money to pay for the childs delivery. (never mind the services rendered to the child after its birth!) Immediate medical attention at an automoblie accident (provided they don't bail the scene!) Emergency room care anytime day, night, weekends and holidays! Plus, some are collecting welfare and Social Security. In addition, to getting home loans to purchase homes. (shock!) Or how about the business loans to set-up those nifty little grocery stores and resturants. But, don't allow this to change your mind, continue to live in the land of idealistic fantasy.

[Ghostryder]

Did you even take the time to read my last post? Or did you just copy it to kill cyber-space? (Why are you so worked up over this anyway? Is ICE getting ready to deport you?)
Theres your problem right there, we are not all equal! (Citizens are different from NON-citizens.) Unless you want to play the moral-relativity game? Or invent a new socialist utopia? (no such thing.)
Please, don't allow reality to make an impression on your opinions. Continue to believe in the one-world/global village! And all its wonderful attributes.

uh, benefits to illegal aliens. Let us see how many we can count? That they made across the border without being put into an intern camp for one. How about legal representation in US court for another. (and translators too, mind you!) Baring babies at the local hospital, when they have no money to pay for the childs delivery. (never mind the services rendered to the child after its birth!) Immediate medical attention at an automoblie accident (provided they don't bail the scene!) Emergency room care anytime day, night, weekends and holidays! Plus, some are collecting welfare and Social Security. In addition, to getting home loans to purchase homes. (shock!) Or how about the business loans to set-up those nifty little grocery stores and resturants. But, don't allow this to change your mind, continue to live in the land of idealistic fantasy.

On second thought **** what I just said (Besides, nice communist dig son, Adam Smith's my boy, and the wealth of nations is my bible). How about this: I don't really want to argue with you anymore, and we can both agree that neither of us will be convinced, so here's what we'll do. 20 years from now I'll start a new thread in the OT&H section. If them damn mehicans have hijacked our nation and put it in the pooper like you say, I'll owe you a beer. If everything is going on just like normal, like I say, well then, I get beer and a cookie, deal?

[AztecMex]

I suggest you guys watch a day without mexicans.It will prove many things not just for mexicans but for all illegals.There are facts in that movie that will open many eyes.O and for that flag thing ya the euros that came they conquered the lands rised there flags killed 90% of the population in latinamerica and changed there religion along with enslaveing them.Then latinamerica got ****ing mad and revolted and removed those flags and for america the only reason they picked up a new flag was because there own people didnt think of them as equal so your wrong about that haze sorry ta tell ya.

[HR24]

I nominate you to be the new head of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement . Just think of the money we'll save. :)

No thanks 2Sheds, we've already got our little "ICE Princess" Julie Myers running the shop. I don't think it could get any worse. :)

[Pandy]

Throw this Governer in jail. His basically saying his not going to enforce Mass. and American laws.

[Ghostryder]

Throw this Governer in jail. His basically saying his not going to enforce Mass. and American laws.

http://www.lawguru.com/weird/part01.html

http://www.lawguru.com/weird/part02.html

[Calanen]

No, but if they have that stupid rule where even if they get arrested, they cannot not ask them their legal status, then that is bullsh*t.

They need to at least be able to inquire about their legal status when a major offence has occured, but then again, what will they do, most likely deport them? Then what? With no real solution right now to keep them away, they're just gonna come back the same way they came before. Its a never ending cycle.

When I was living in San Diego, I got to know a couple of border patrol agents. One of them said that he arrested a Mexican illegal sneaking across the border at night, and once they put him in the border patrol truck he started crying uncontrollably. The agent I knew said to him 'What the hell are you crying for man, you can try again as soon as we send you back!'

[mcc-dano]

Hi all, I'm new here. I live in San Diego so I do see a good bit of the illegal immigration topic manifesting itself around here, espescially(sp) in the public school system. Now, not only do the illegal immigrants get a free education from a California Distinguished School (basically means it doesn't suck), but classes have been CREATED just to accomodate them. Here's what I mean: First, we have ESL, which is English for a Second Language. When you apply to become a LEGAL citizen, you have to be able to read and write atleast to a certain extent (My mother was a LEGAL immigrant from the Iran). This means that you can go to school here, get a FREE bus pass:cantbeli: (about $300) and free lunch ($3-5 a day) without speaking a LICK of english. It's bullsh**:roll: . There is also "Sheltered World History". Basically, you get to learn about World History in SPANISH and aren't forced or encouraged to speak english. It's one of those "You'll learn on your own time" deals. If I'm a bit intolerant, I'm sorry, but I am, afterall, entitled to my own opinion.

As far as the Massachusetts deal goes, when I hear "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT", 50% of that title is ILLEGAL. Now if this Mass. guy wont deport Illegal aliens here unless it's a felony, then every illegal alien should all be deported because last time I checked, Illegal immigration was a mid-range felony. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sick and tired of "Underbudget" BS when it's a bit obvious what a large portion of the cause is.

[Durandal]

No, but if they have that stupid rule where even if they get arrested, they cannot not ask them their legal status, then that is bullsh*t.

They need to at least be able to inquire about their legal status when a major offence has occured, but then again, what will they do, most likely deport them? Then what? With no real solution right now to keep them away, they're just gonna come back the same way they came before. Its a never ending cycle.

I'm sorry. I did not read that in the article. Let me go back and read it again and make sure I did not miss that...

*pause while Durandal reads the article*

Nope, nothing there.

The article makes a fairly great issue of State responsibility and Federal responsibility. Its not the responsibility of State Troopers to add on the additional role of "Immigration Officer".

Nor is it the State's role to fund immigration statutes the federal government develops but either A) does not fund, B) does not enforce, or C) both.

I mean think about it. You want the a family arrested that is busting its ass to make ends meet, usually working jobs that most Americans loathe. We want them to be the focus instead of the crack dealer, the gang member, or the murderer, who is even more a drain on society?

Quit lashing out against the "flood" of immigration and actually THINK about it.

For all intents and purposes the Governor has said, we'll deal with illegal immigrants if they break OUR laws, as to wether they are illegal or not, that's the Federal government's responsibility.

And, quite literally, he is right.

I mean, if the President takes a trip to make a fund raising campaign, it nearly breaks the budget for most small, local agencies...what do you think trying to round up illegals is going to cost? Where are you going to put them? What IF, you rounded up ever one of the 20 Million people right this moment?

I am not paying for that...it would cost Americans 2 or 3 TRILLION dollars to hold them, determine their status, and deport them back to their home nation. Meanwhile, where do we put criminals? The people breaking REAL laws and doing REAL harm to our nation?

[Ordie]

It's political.

There are 10,000 Irish illegal immigrants in Massechusetts.

Source: http://news.bostonherald.com/immigration/view.bg?articleid=149576&format=text

Now Ask yourselves how many cops in Boston are of Irish background, who are Catholic and probably attend Mass with thier illegal cousins.

In an election year, canidates in the Northeast need the support of the three "I" to get elected. Ireland, Italy and Israel.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I'm sorry. I did not read that in the article. Let me go back and read it again and make sure I did not miss that...

*pause while Durandal reads the article*

Nope, nothing there.

The article makes a fairly great issue of State responsibility and Federal responsibility. Its not the responsibility of State Troopers to add on the additional role of "Immigration Officer".

Nor is it the State's role to fund immigration statutes the federal government develops but either A) does not fund, B) does not enforce, or C) both.

I mean think about it. You want the a family arrested that is busting its ass to make ends meet, usually working jobs that most Americans loathe. We want them to be the focus instead of the crack dealer, the gang member, or the murderer, who is even more a drain on society?

Quit lashing out against the "flood" of immigration and actually THINK about it.

For all intents and purposes the Governor has said, we'll deal with illegal immigrants if they break OUR laws, as to wether they are illegal or not, that's the Federal government's responsibility.

And, quite literally, he is right.

I mean, if the President takes a trip to make a fund raising campaign, it nearly breaks the budget for most small, local agencies...what do you think trying to round up illegals is going to cost? Where are you going to put them? What IF, you rounded up ever one of the 20 Million people right this moment?

I am not paying for that...it would cost Americans 2 or 3 TRILLION dollars to hold them, determine their status, and deport them back to their home nation. Meanwhile, where do we put criminals? The people breaking REAL laws and doing REAL harm to our nation?


Alright, let me go back and read my post, no, no, no, I don't see where I said the police should be knocking down doors looking for illegal families, I said that there are sanctuary rules where the police cannot ask for legal status even if the perpetrator has commited a serious offense, which is bullsh*t, you're trying to make out what i'm saying as a witch hunt, I assure I am not, we already have enough cost dealing with our local drug dealers and such, you don't want to spend more money to detain them and check their status and to deport them, but you are willing to spend more money to imprison them them here and have trials for them here.

And what governer is that, our governer? The one who did an about face on the border after he got elected?

If its not the states responsibility for all those things, then it needs to be, the influx of illegals is now so high, it now requires it, while not all illegals are here to f*ck off like our home grown criminals, there still is a large percentage of criminals coming into the country and commiting crimes, you don't have to spend more money and expand the ICE units or Border Patrol to hunt them down, all you have to do is let the officers, when they arrest them for an offense mind you, let them find out their legal status, its not that hard, if they have the proper documentation, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

[Durandal]

...I said that there are sanctuary rules where the police cannot ask for legal status even if the perpetrator has commited a serious offense, which is bullsh*t, you're trying to make out what i'm saying as a witch hunt, I assure I am not, we already have enough cost dealing with our local drug dealers and such, you don't want to spend more money to detain them and check their status and to deport them, but you are willing to spend more money to imprison them them here and have trials for them here.

No I'm not, not even close. I said you guys, specifically quoting your thread in this case, are completely irrational about this.


And what governer is that, our governer? The one who did an about face on the border after he got elected?

WTF...

We are talking about the State of Massachusetts, and the last time I checked, that state shared borders with Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Vermont, and of course, lest we forget, and something quite appropriate in this case, the "'Live Free or Die' State", New Hampshire.


If its not the states responsibility for all those things, then it needs to be

If its a State's responsibility, which legally it is not, then the State also has the RIGHT to define what those laws might be, and then the other States, in many cases, having to respect, and recognize the laws of other States would then have to recognize that States decision.


when they arrest them for an offense mind you, let them find out their legal status, its not that hard, if they have the proper documentation, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Again, where does it say, in this article, the State Sheriff's Department of Massachusetts, is not going to arrest someone for breaking the law? THis reads as if they are not going to take an ACTIVE role (nothing new there nationwide really) in looking for them.

That doesn't mean they are not going to bust if they commit a crime.

No offense intended but you need to read some books about how to make an "informed argument".

You are acting like I am somehow personally attacking you. I am simply commenting on the article and the rather outlandish "sky is falling" responses to it.

The most ridiculous is "arrest the governor for breaking the law" which of course is about as wacko as they get and completely incorrect since the governor of Massachusetts is breaking now law by declaring such intents as reported in the article.

[Calanen]

I really love the United States, and I know its up to its citizens to determine whatever happens in relation to illegal and legal immigrants. The US nation has the sovereign to protect its borders and decide whether anyone at all ever comes in.

As someone who lived there however, I was very sad when work finished up and I had to leave. This was in 2003.

I am an Australian citizen, and have two university degrees, one in economics and the other in law. I was on an L1 visa, I did not have a greencard.

At the time, I really wanted to stay, and I happened to speak to a journalist who suggested that I enlist. I told him I had no greencard, and he said he thought there were ways around that. So I went down to the Army recruiting station in San Diego, and confused the hell out of the recruiters by telling them that I wanted to enlist. I was 29 at the time, and in good shape (probably would have been the oldest in boot camp, but meh). I took the enlistment test and gave them my details. They said that this was so weird that they needed to get permission from higher up and would get back to me on what I needed to do.

They never got back to me, and I had to leave shortly thereafter.

The thing is though, I'm a person who really likes the USA, wanted to fight for it, has two good degrees and I couldn't stay. It seems like there are a fair amount of people let in to the USA, who are indifferent to it, would not fight for it, and who complain all the time about what the USA owes them. Just something to think about - ultimately you guys decide. But it would not be too hard to let people in who add something rather than detract from the country.

When I have got enough money saved up, I hope to return to the USA to again live in San Diego. May it be soon....