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seruriermarshal
04-21-2004, 12:57 AM
U.S. sees Syria 'facilitating' insurgents

Syria is "facilitating" the movement of foreign fighters into Iraq and helping supply them with arms, according to U.S. military officials with access to intelligence reports.

The sources said the reporting has not been clear on whether hard-line Syrian President Bashar Assad is involved directly in ordering the aid. But they say he has much to lose if Iraq becomes a pro-U.S. democratic country.

Foreign fighters from Syria have become a major stumbling block to stabilizing Iraq and turning over sovereignty by June 30.

The bloody fighting in Fallujah, for example, is inspired, in part, by well-armed foreign jihadists who crossed the Syrian border and have committed some of the most gruesome attacks against Americans and their allies.

Officials said Syrian help includes facilitating their border crossing, arming them and allowing them to return for fresh supplies.

Asked how conclusive U.S. intelligence is on Syrian aid, one official said, "No doubt about it." It is not clear, however, whether Damascus is actively organizing the influx. Osama bin Laden, leader of al Qaeda, has urged his followers to travel to Iraq to kill Westerners.

Publicly, the Bush administration has stopped short of accusing Mr. Assad's socialist Ba'ath Party regime of facilitating the terrorists' migration. But it has accused Syria of inaction in stopping the flow of foreigners along its 600-mile border with Iraq.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell last week sent a strong message to Mr. Assad through the U.S. ambassador in Damascus.

"It urged Syria to work closely with the rest of the international community to promote a stable Iraq," said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher. "It also made clear to Syria that it needs to control the transit of its border by terrorists and people supporting the insurgents in Iraq.

"It is a message that we have delivered to Syria in the past. What prompted it now, I think, is that it's an ongoing problem. It's something that we feel needs to be reiterated until it's taken care of, and it's not taken care of yet."

Mr. Powell said last week, "Our message to President Assad is that it is in our mutual interest to deal with this problem. It is not in Syria's interest to be seen as a base from which infiltrators can come across — come across to kill innocent Iraqis or to kill coalition troops."

Mr. Powell faces a decision soon on whether the administration will slap economic sanctions on Syria. Congress gave the White House that power last fall in legislation that condemns Syria's support for terror organizations and its occupation of Lebanon.

For nearly 25 years, the United States has labeled Syria a state sponsor of terrorism. Syria gives help to the Lebanon-based Hezbollah, a Shi'ite terror group set up and sustained by Iran, which also is accused of sending agents into southern Iraq to help radical cleric Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr.

Officials said Syrian agents are aiding the Iraqi insurgency because it is not in Damascus' interest to have a pro-U.S. country on its border. Mr. Assad fears that a free Iraq could spur a wave of democracy in his country, jeopardizing his rigid socialist rule, officials say.

Mr. Assad also realizes that Washington is limited in how it can react. The U.S. military is overcommitted globally. It would be politically difficult for President Bush to launch military strikes, thus opening up yet another front in the war on terrorism. "The Syrians know America can bark a lot, but what else can we do?" said one military source.

The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force last month took over control of western Iraq from the 82nd Airborne Division. The Marines promptly committed more troops to the border area and have engaged in a series of deadly firefights in the border town of al Qaim and at other points.

The United States has also sent military personnel into Syria on reconnaissance missions.

"To stop the source, the Marines did put a very intense effort, and it still continues up there," said Maj. Gen. John Sattler, chief of operations for U.S. Central Command. "We had an extreme amount of success on the front side, meaning that we did find, fix and ultimately finish a number of cells that were out there, that were facilitating this type movement."

The State Department's yearly report on global terrorism states, "Syrian and Iranian support for Hezbollah activities in the south [Lebanon], as well as training and assistance to Palestinian rejectionist groups in Lebanon, help permit terrorist elements to flourish."

Trident-za
04-21-2004, 04:39 AM
I hope this doesn't mean they're going to try deal with Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time :(

SeanAshi
04-21-2004, 05:38 AM
Scare tattics? Israeli troops start to mass on the Israeli Syrian border, American troops mass on the Iraqi and Syrian border..and then let the Syrian dictator piss his pants.

gilgoul
04-21-2004, 06:33 AM
Scare tattics? Israeli troops start to mass on the Israeli Syrian border, American troops mass on the Iraqi and Syrian border..and then let the Syrian dictator piss his pants.
tHAT COULD BE FUN :D
More seriously, what about threatening France instead, since they are the big buddies of Bashar al Assad.
Funny thing, 10 years ago I had a session at the Canjuers training camp in south france, and who where there, a group of about 20 Syrians NCO training on the Milan and other AT weapons, part of a present of France to syria.

seruriermarshal
04-21-2004, 07:30 PM
Scare tattics? Israeli troops start to mass on the Israeli Syrian border, American troops mass on the Iraqi and Syrian border..and then let the Syrian dictator piss his pants.

Great plan ......

scm77
04-21-2004, 08:26 PM
They'll have to find a way to fit in the wars with Iran, North Korea and Cuba too. :cantbeli:

UkrainianAmerican
04-21-2004, 08:39 PM
Scare tattics? Israeli troops start to mass on the Israeli Syrian border, American troops mass on the Iraqi and Syrian border..and then let the Syrian dictator piss his pants.
tHAT COULD BE FUN :D
More seriously, what about threatening France instead, since they are the big buddies of Bashar al Assad.
Funny thing, 10 years ago I had a session at the Canjuers training camp in south france, and who where there, a group of about 20 Syrians NCO training on the Milan and other AT weapons, part of a present of France to syria.
What is wrong with France? They sure have some f*cked up friends.
Gilgoul, you shoulda came up to them, and tell them you are jewish, hehe.

ExtraT
04-21-2004, 08:47 PM
Well, Syria is the next logical target.

Not necessarily for a military compaign though, but it's definetly ripe for some sanctions.

ExtraT
04-21-2004, 08:49 PM
What is wrong with France? They sure have some f*cked up friends.

Hehe, if not for France, Syria wouldn't exist :) Syria used to be France's colony.

UkrainianAmerican
04-21-2004, 08:55 PM
Well, Syria is the next logical target.

Not necessarily for a military compaign though, but it's definetly ripe for some sanctions.
We can ass-rape its army (figuratively speaking) but we dont have enough manpower to occupy them. :(

seruriermarshal
04-21-2004, 09:01 PM
Well, Syria is the next logical target.

Not necessarily for a military compaign though, but it's definetly ripe for some sanctions.
We can ass-rape its army (figuratively speaking) but we dont have enough manpower to occupy them. :(

If Israeli troops attack Lebanon , Then Syria will send more soldiers to there ......

UkrainianAmerican
04-21-2004, 09:03 PM
Well, Syria is the next logical target.

Not necessarily for a military compaign though, but it's definetly ripe for some sanctions.
We can ass-rape its army (figuratively speaking) but we dont have enough manpower to occupy them. :(

If Israeli troops attack Lebanon , Then Syria will send more soldiers to there ......
Militarily speaking I believe Israel is capable of completely destroying the conventional forces, but not enough manpower to pacify the country.

seruriermarshal
04-21-2004, 09:07 PM
Well, Syria is the next logical target.

Not necessarily for a military compaign though, but it's definetly ripe for some sanctions.
We can ass-rape its army (figuratively speaking) but we dont have enough manpower to occupy them. :(

If Israeli troops attack Lebanon , Then Syria will send more soldiers to there ......
Militarily speaking I believe Israel is capable of completely destroying the conventional forces, but not enough manpower to pacify the country.

You are right , but Iraq and Lebanon no peace because Syria support AQ ......

ExtraT
04-21-2004, 09:11 PM
If Israeli troops attack Lebanon , Then Syria will send more soldiers to there ......

And you know that from....?

The reality is - Syria is broke. With fall of Saddam, they lost one of their biggest financial supporters (Saddam gave them free oil regularly). That, BTW explains why they are gradually pulling out of Lebanon - they can no longer cover the bills such a presence generates.

And one more thing: Israel has no reason to return to Lebanon. In fact, it's Hizbullah's wet drem to lure IDF back into Lebanon. And they'll not get it :)

sethen
04-21-2004, 09:55 PM
Hypocrisy check: What would America do if Syria and/or Iran invaded Canada and Mexico? This is textbook: double envelope. Looks like self defense to me!

Milkman
04-21-2004, 10:01 PM
They'll have to find a way to fit in the wars with Iran, North Korea and Cuba too. :cantbeli:
Why would we invade Cuba? It wouldnt be worth the time! :cantbeli:


Hypocrisy check: What would America do if Syria and/or Iran invaded Canada and Mexico? This is textbook: double envelope. Looks like self defense to me!
It wouldn't be self defense anymore if we were to invade Syria, it would be an offensive strike, unless they were stupid enough to attack us first.

sethen
04-21-2004, 10:01 PM
And one more thing: Israel has no reason to return to Lebanon. In fact, it's Hizbullah's wet drem to lure IDF back into Lebanon. And they'll not get it :)

looks like the Shiates have suckered America into its own version of Lebanon, its called: Iraq. The Israelim are going to pull out every dirty trick in the book so their boy bush wins the election, otherwise they are going to serious security issues when the U.S. pulls out! And I hop0e NO ONE lifts a finger to help them! p-)

sethen
04-21-2004, 10:01 PM
And one more thing: Israel has no reason to return to Lebanon. In fact, it's Hizbullah's wet drem to lure IDF back into Lebanon. And they'll not get it :)

looks like the Shiates have suckered America into its own version of Lebanon, its called: Iraq. The Israelim are going to pull out every dirty trick in the book so their boy bush wins the election, otherwise they are going to serious security issues when the U.S. pulls out! And I hope NO ONE lifts a finger to help them! p-)

ExtraT
04-21-2004, 11:56 PM
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Another one. :roll:
The local zoo just keeps growing and growing....

Kilgor
04-22-2004, 12:10 AM
Scare tattics? Israeli troops start to mass on the Israeli Syrian border, American troops mass on the Iraqi and Syrian border..and then let the Syrian dictator piss his pants.
tHAT COULD BE FUN :D
More seriously, what about threatening France instead, since they are the big buddies of Bashar al Assad.
.

Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea then France..

Patience ;)

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Haiw
04-22-2004, 08:12 AM
Cool...the word freedom contains the Dutch flag in that pic. :D

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-22-2004, 09:27 AM
Cool...the word freedom contains the Dutch flag in that pic. :D
All part of a Dutch conspiracy to rule the world by proxy, remember people the Dutch control the world Herring price.

Haiw
04-22-2004, 09:31 AM
Yup...also remember that untill 1667 New York was actually a Dutch city called New Amsterdam. Scratch zionist conspiracy, enter Dutch world domination. :D

UkrainianAmerican
04-22-2004, 09:34 AM
Yup...also remember that untill 1667 New York was actually a Dutch city called New Amsterdam. Scratch zionist conspiracy, enter Dutch world domination. :D
I will NOT succumb to the mandatory policy of wooden AIr-Force Ones.

front
04-22-2004, 04:39 PM
From the article:

"The United States has also sent military personnel into Syria on reconnaissance missions."

Does this strike anyone as a very glib way to just slip in the fact that our Congress must have declared war on Syria and no-one has yet found out about it?

I must have missed the careful debate and considered opinions.

cheers

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