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MARINO
04-21-2004, 09:19 AM
Spanish soldiers prepare handover to other coalition troops
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DIWANIYAH, Iraq (AFP) - Spanish soldiers have begun preparing the handover of their positions in Iraq (news - web sites) to new coalition troops, commanders said insisting the departing troops had carried out their mission with honour, unbowed by recent attacks.



The official line from officers at the Spanish base in Diwaniyah was that they were simply carrying out orders coming from Madrid and that they were in no position to express any emotion or opinion on the matter.


But ordinary soldiers said the overwhelming majority of their comrades opposed Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's sudden decision to bring home the 1,432-strong contingent based here and in the nearby Shiite Muslim holy city of Najaf.


A logistics unit from Spain was already in Iraq to coordinate the pullout after Defence Minister Jose Bono said Monday that the process was under way and that it would be concluded swiftly.


"The mission does not just involve picking up our gear and marching out, but also to do it in a planned and safe way and to transfer our responsibilities to our successors under the best conditions," said Lieutenant Colonel Jose Luis Puig, spokesman for the unit overseeing the pullout.


He refused to discuss any timetable for the withdrawal or to specify which countries from the US-led coalition would be taking the place of the Spaniards.


There was no sign of any convoys preparing the departure and soldiers at the base seemed at ease.


"I feel satisfied with the five months I spent here. For me it was a great professional experience and I would do it again," said Captain Jose Miguel Garces, who is scheduled to leave Iraq in one week.


Private Marco Antonio Laguna, who leaves in three days, said he was proud to have helped bring security to Iraqis as he showed a wound in his hand sustained in an attack on his patrol 12 days ago by militia loyal to wanted Shiite radical leader Moqtada Sadr.


But privately some said the "honour of the Spanish army" might have been tarnished by the sudden withdrawal, especially in the light of recent attacks by Sadr's Mehdi Army militia.


Sadr ordered his Mehdi Army militia Monday to halt attacks on Spanish soldiers now that they were pulling out.


Before the recent violence, Spanish troops were largely immune from the daily attacks targeting US soldiers.


On the streets of Diwaniyah some Iraqis also felt that Spain was caving in to "terrorism both at home and in Iraq," and that the troop pullout would lead to lawlessness and would leave them at the mercy of mobs and militias.


Some of the same sentiments were echoed on the streets of Najaf, where Sadr has been holed up for the past two weeks despite the presence of Spanish troops.


The catalyst for Spain's decision to pull out its troops was the March 11 train attacks in Madrid that killed 191 people.


Some soldiers felt they were leaving with a lot of work still to be done in helping Iraqis rebuild their country.


The Spanish contingent was involved in many community development projects in Diwaniyah funded by the government.





The biggest project was a 1.5 million euro rebuilding and modernisation for the city's maternity hospital.

The project only started in November and doctors at the hospital felt Spain was pulling out too soon.

The spokesman for the Spanish troops in Iraq, Lieutenant Guillermo Novelles, said the fate of such projects would be decided in Madrid.

Aside from the military code of honour and their desire to finish the job, some Spanish troops said they were also sad to be leaving some of the Iraqi friends they had made in Diwaniyah.

Three soldiers manning the checkpoint at the entrance of the base were laughing with an Iraqi labourer who spoke to them in broken Spanish.

"I will miss these guys very much, I have gotten used to them," he said.

seruriermarshal
04-21-2004, 07:34 PM
But They country has decided , They are soldiers , No choose ...... Perhaps they left Spain army and to Iraq ......

the_spec
04-21-2004, 08:18 PM
Isn't that a good time for the US to create a "US Foreign Legion", to get all those willing europeans and send them to iraq?

weedman
04-22-2004, 08:24 AM
But They country has decided , They are soldiers , No choose ...... Perhaps they left Spain army and to Iraq ......Their citizens... :D

MARINO
04-22-2004, 09:22 AM
Varios militares que vuelven critican en privado el repliegue de Zapatero

Los militares que han trabajado en Iraq no parecen estar contentos con la decisión del Gobierno de replegarse inmediatamente. Lejos de valoraciones políticas, militares consultados por LA RAZÓN aseguran que Estados Unidos pasará factura a España por esta decisión, al tiempo que sostienen que «mientras haya doscientas mil o cien mil personas a las que les haya hecho bien nuestro trabajo, no deberíamos volvernos ahora».


Diego Mazón
Madrid- Fueron a Iraq con una misión y se vuelven sin completarla. A muchos de los militares que han estado o todavía están en el país árabe no les ha hecho gracia la repentina decisión del Gobierno de retirarse tan precipitadamente. «Una retirada de estas características es un lío, y no se puede hacer así, corriendo», asegura un oficial que prefiere no figurar en la prensa. Él ya está en España, pero hasta hace unos días se encontraba en Diwaniya trabajando con la Brigada Plus Ultra II, y asegura que el sentir general entre los militares es de decepción. «Si vas, vas, y si no, no vayas», asegura, porque ahora, con el repliegue, «se dejan un montón de cosas desatendidas, dejas a la población desatendida, a la división polaca coja y el trabajo sin terminar». Un trabajo que en el caso de la brigada española allí desplegada era de seguridad y estabilidad, lo que incluía también tareas humanitarias. «En Kosovo estábamos igual. No íbamos a repartir lechugas, pero sí escoltábamos a los que las repartían, y asegurábamos que llegaran a la población», recuerda.

El oficial prefiere no entrar en valoraciones políticas, pero sí cree que las repercusiones que esta decisión va a traer son importantes. «Si nos vamos nosotros, a Estados Unidos les va a hacer una gracia... que nos van a hacer pagar seguro». Según él, retirarse ahora «da una imagen de que te echas para atrás», y en este sentido considera que «no te puedes ir, y más después de un atentado. A veces hay que aguantar el achuchón. Hay gente que pensará, sobre todo allí, que los españoles nos vamos ahora que empieza a haber problemas en Diwaniya y en Nayaf». El problema, asegura, es que «ahora pueden pensar que no somos fiables, como ha pasado en otras ocasiones con los italianos, que no tienen muy buena imagen».

De lo que sí habla, y sin miedo a equivocarse, es de los profesionales que están allí trabajando y de su sensación. «A la gente le puede apetecer o no ir, en parte por su mujer, su novia, o porque su madre esté enferma o lo que sea, pero ya que estás allí no te apetece volverte, no te hace gracia».

Además, considera que el trabajo que los españoles están desarrollando en Iraq es importante para la población y aunque reconoce que hay iraquíes que no quieren que estén las tropas, hay otros muchos a los que ha beneficiado la presencia del contingente español. En este sentido asegura que «mientras que haya doscientas mil o cien mil personas a las que haya ido bien que estemos allí, que han podido trabajar, salir a la calle con seguridad, deberíamos quedarnos para seguir con nuestro trabajo».

Otro oficial que tampoco quiere que se sepa su nombre coincide con el anterior en varios planteamientos, y no duda en señalar que «allí se trabaja muy bien y se ha demostrado que se vale para esos trabajos». Eso sí, prefiere no analizar las sensaciones, aunque sí que asevera que «nadie vuelve con la cabeza gacha»

Coll vuelve el sábado. Por otra parte, y referente también al repliegue de las tropas españolas en Iraq, ayer se supo que el general que hasta ahora dirigía la Brigada Plus Ultra II, Fulgencio Coll, regresará el sábado a España, por lo que en territorio iraquí quedarán tres generales que se encargarán del repliegue del contingente. Los generales del Ejército de Tierra José Muñoz, Emilio Pérez Alamán y Enrique de Ayala se encargarán de organizar todas las tareas para que en seis semanas, el contingente español esté ya en casa, en una operación coordinada por el Estado Mayor de la Defensa. El sábado, veinticuatro de abril, llegará a Iraq el general Pérez Alamán, jefe interino de la Fuerza de Maniobra. Muñoz por su parte asumió ayer las responsabilidades de la Unidad de Repliegue del Contingente Español (URCE). Por último, el general Ayala, que era el segundo jefe de la división centro sur bajo mando polaco, con base en Babilonia, será el tercero que asumirá las tareas del repliegue, y junto a los cincuenta militares que se encuentran junto a él, serán, previsiblemente, los últimos en retirarse.

Según fuentes de Defensa, el esquema de retirada de las tropas será similar al seguido durante el despliegue en Iraq. Los militares serán traídos a España en avión, mientras que para el material se emplearán, previsiblemente, dos barcos de la Armada junto con dos barcos comerciales, aunque parte de éste será también trasladado en avión. Ahora, las tareas de repliegue del contingente pasan por decidir qué material se quedará allí y cuál ha de traerse. Desde Diwaniya, sede de la Base España, las tropas se trasladarán a la base de Kuwait, desde donde partirán hacia España para estar aquí, como tarde, a finales de mayo

AFACadet
04-22-2004, 09:35 AM
Ya don't say ;)

Tengu
04-22-2004, 09:54 AM
Isn't that a good time for the US to create a "US Foreign Legion", to get all those willing europeans and send them to iraq?I would be the first to volenteer

Pandy
04-22-2004, 10:05 AM
I've heard a lot of good thigns from these Spainish Soldiers in Iraq, they have made lots of good progress in rebuilding the areas that they were assigned to and it's sad that the Spainish PM is pulling em out.

MARINO
04-22-2004, 03:45 PM
For our army it will be a dishonnour, somme generals had give a piece of advices oppossed to Zapatero's decission, and now they will have a lot of problems. In another article a Spanish Saoldier said that it's sad to leave, they had become good frined of Central American soldiers, ad specially with american soldiers cause they were preparin the assault over Nayaf, they said that now us soldiers don't look them like before. :|

usa320
04-22-2004, 04:28 PM
am i the only one forseeing a ****load of Spanish soldiers leaving spain and getting jobs with PMC's?

foxtrot023
04-22-2004, 11:19 PM
For our army it will be a dishonnour, somme generals had give a piece of advices oppossed to Zapatero's decission, and now they will have a lot of problems. In another article a Spanish Saoldier said that it's sad to leave, they had become good frined of Central American soldiers, ad specially with american soldiers cause they were preparin the assault over Nayaf, they said that now us soldiers don't look them like before. :|

Yep, dammed coward politicians would not even wait for June 30th. On the other hand I do not know why any soldier (US or others) might look down on spanish soldiers, since it is not the first or nor the last retreat ordered by politicians (per example: Somalia), and it should not have an impact on ¨image¨ since our soldiers did not run away.

BTW, a couple of soldiers i knew said that the morale of the troops was very high (in iraq) and that the 200+ soldiers that were with the US waiting to attack Najaf, were really for the mission (perhaps that is why Zapatero pulled the plug, maybe he was afraid of casualties), some even spoiling for a fight.

Regards all

Lobo
04-23-2004, 01:29 AM
José Bono, the new Defense Minister said: "The Spanish Army never runs away. It retires following orders". ;) Bono, by the way, is one of the less PC politicians in Spain.

MARINO
04-23-2004, 05:19 AM
Ihope that Zapatero will reconsider his decission, or if there is a new resolution from UN we will return in Iraq. Anyway it won't be like before this ****ing retreat. :(

Nondescript
04-23-2004, 03:29 PM
Isn't that a good time for the US to create a "US Foreign Legion", to get all those willing europeans and send them to iraq?I would be the first to volenteer

No I would. :D

Pille1234
04-23-2004, 03:37 PM
am i the only one forseeing a ****load of Spanish soldiers leaving spain and getting jobs with PMC's?
Yes you are. It's a long way from an angry and disappointed spanish soldier to become a mercenary.

the_spec
04-23-2004, 04:38 PM
am i the only one forseeing a ****load of Spanish soldiers leaving spain and getting jobs with PMC's?
Yes you are. It's a long way from an angry and disappointed spanish soldier to become a mercenary.
Just wanted to say the same thing. This is 2004, not the middle ages where thousands left their homes to free the "holy land" and protect it from the muslim threat. I don't know why, but some people obviously think that this is some kind of crusade. I hope you don't do something stupid in that state of mind.

Luxembourger
04-23-2004, 05:32 PM
Isn't that a good time for the US to create a "US Foreign Legion", to get all those willing europeans and send them to iraq?

I would say that many european soldiers would have liiked to particpate in OIF removing Saddam bastard , rebuilding the country , stopping the brainwashing fillled with western hate of the kids and giving them a real chance to study good stuff .

By the way who is going to replace the spanish troops?

Luxembourger
04-23-2004, 05:33 PM
Isn't that a good time for the US to create a "US Foreign Legion", to get all those willing europeans and send them to iraq?

I would say that many european soldiers would have liiked to particpate in OIF removing Saddam bastard , rebuilding the country , stopping the brainwashing fillled with western hate of the kids and giving them a real chance to study good stuff .

By the way who is going to replace the spanish troops?

the_spec
04-23-2004, 08:51 PM
By the way who is going to replace the spanish troops?
Coalition forces who haven't left the country, obviously. I'm guessing the americans have to stretch a little more.