Poland: Spain Troop Pullout Raises Issues

[pinkeye]

Poland: Spain Troop Pullout Raises Issues
Associated Press


WARSAW, Poland - Poland's outgoing prime minister said Wednesday that Spain's withdrawal of troops from Iraq (news - web sites) could not be ignored, a first hint that Poland may be having doubts about its mission there.


"We cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that Spain and others are leaving Iraq," Prime Minister Leszek Miller told the Polish news agency PAP.


"We will not make any rash gestures," he said. "The final decision about the pullout will be agreed and thought over, but the problem exists."


Miller, who is stepping down May 2, said the problem would be addressed by his successor.


"I cannot say when we will leave Iraq, but I am sure the new prime minister will be more precise," Miller said.


Poland leads a multinational contingent of 9,500 troops in central Iraq, and is the largest contributor to the force with 2,400 soldiers of its own. Some 1,300 Spanish troops that the Madrid government has said it will withdraw are also in the sector.

[fdt]

That's a - "Try harder to convince us that we should stay" - game...

[Pille1234]

That's a - "Try harder to convince us that we should stay" - game...
:lol: That were exactly my thoughts. Maybe some more military aid could help convince them...

[Pad75]

The problem is that the last who will leave Iraq will have the hearder time.
:|

[fdt]

The problem is that the last who will leave Iraq will have the hearder time.
:|So what would You advise to Poland?

[Pad75]

The same that France tried to advice to USA.
Finish the job in Afganisthan and don't go to Iraq...

(please no flame war:) )

[FallenAngel]

Course, this COULD mean that Poland might send more troops to Iraq, to fill the void left by the Spanish (with adequate compensation I am sure). The reference to a pull out was to Spain's- not Poland's.

I don't see how what he said- which isn't anything really at all- can be assumed to be doubt about keeping troops in Iraq. I can see how that assumption might be made, but unless there's more to this article, I don't see how that assumption stands.

[fdt]

The same that France tried to advice to USA.
Finish the job in Afganisthan and don't go to Iraq...

(please no flame war:) )Problem is You can't turn back the time... Troops already are in Iraq... Pls try to formulate the advice concerning the given present conditions.

[Pad75]

The same that France tried to advice to USA.
Finish the job in Afganisthan and don't go to Iraq...

(please no flame war:) )Problem is You can't turn back the time... Troops already are in Iraq... Pls try to formulate the advice concerning the given present conditions.

I have no advice. The situation there is a total nightmare and I don't see any exit.

[fdt]

The same that France tried to advice to USA.
Finish the job in Afganisthan and don't go to Iraq...

(please no flame war:) )Problem is You can't turn back the time... Troops already are in Iraq... Pls try to formulate the advice concerning the given present conditions.

I have no advice. The situation there is a total nightmare and I don't see any exit.What about the french govt... they were making the impression that tey have some ideas how to deal with the situation...

[shrek]

That's easy enough. No way out, let's throw up our hands and quit. The only difference between Iraq and Afghanistan is that we let them throw the first punch in Afgh. If Poland pulls out then any men that died for that wars sacrifice will have been in vain. Hold fast Poland, it may be "your own" country that you ask us to help you free soon enough!!!!

[Herrmannek]

Lefitist proopaganda works well here :( , Media here are presentning Iraq almost like next Vietnam, but strange noone asked soldiers in Iraq what they think about that :) ...

[fdt]

That's easy enough. No way out, let's throw up our hands and quit. The only difference between Iraq and Afghanistan is that we let them throw the first punch in Afgh. If Poland pulls out then any men that died for that wars sacrifice will have been in vain. Hold fast Poland, it may be "your own" country that you ask us to help you free soon enough!!!!Keep that words for the moment when Poland will decide to withdraw... saying such things now is at least .... rude. Polish forces are there... how do U think why?

[wholagun]

Course, this COULD mean that Poland might send more troops to Iraq, to fill the void left by the Spanish (with adequate compensation I am sure). The reference to a pull out was to Spain's- not Poland's

no we can't put in more troops. We are cutting down troops by 100. The war is not popular 70% don't support the war. And most importantly, we can't afford to send anymore troops to Iraq.

military aid.. HA. we asked for a hundred million military aid and got peanuts instead.

[fdt]

Course, this COULD mean that Poland might send more troops to Iraq, to fill the void left by the Spanish (with adequate compensation I am sure). The reference to a pull out was to Spain's- not Poland's

no we can't put in more troops. We are cutting down troops by 100. The war is not popular 70% don't support the war. And most importantly, we can't afford to send anymore troops to Iraq.

military aid.. HA. we asked for a hundred million military aid and got peanuts instead.Man it's not a hundred million $ of military aid that Poland sent the troops for... The cost of the operation borne by Poland so far (despite the US financial assistance) is higher than a sum You mentioned... :bash: . Polish troops were sent there for smth that is worth billions and billions of $... and it's not oil p-) .

[n.ignomo]

Maybe the US soldiers are to be blamed. This is jsut a damn bad exemple but the looting one does't make iraquis love US miltary. I don't know how is the tension over there, but from the beginning when soldiers didn't give a **** about irakis taking everything they wanted just after the fall of saddam's regime. Then the big prob is religion (my opinion) and mostly extremists who won't leave any soldier unoccupied > fanatism.

[White_Bear]

haha ;))) Guys,here in Poland we don't know anything about that,about any changes in our position ;))) Our prime minister doesn't know what is going on and he doesn't know about any polish doubts;)))) rofl

So only what I can say that it's all bull**** ;))))))

we gonna stay and nothing has changed,we were really suprised in Poland when we saw that information :))

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0420/3783682793HM1SCALLY.html

most interesting part:

"Given the circumstances [in Iraq], we will probably diminish significantly the forces at the end of 2004," said Prof Tadeusz Iwinski, secretary of state for international affairs in the office of the prime minister.

Questioned further by The Irish Times, he said: "It is much easier to send troops in than to withdraw them, but we will probably do it at the end of 2004 or the start of 2005."

wtf? Kwach says that we will stay, and Iwinski that we will withdraw.

Politicians :cantbeli:

[Herrmannek]

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0420/3783682793HM1SCALLY.html

most interesting part:

"Given the circumstances [in Iraq], we will probably diminish significantly the forces at the end of 2004," said Prof Tadeusz Iwinski, secretary of state for international affairs in the office of the prime minister.

Questioned further by The Irish Times, he said: "It is much easier to send troops in than to withdraw them, but we will probably do it at the end of 2004 or the start of 2005."

wtf? Kwach says that we will stay, and Iwinski that we will withdraw.

Politicians :cantbeli:

they want have available all options :)

[HELEX]

They just want to know what the US will give when they stay, and what "old europe" when they leave... :lol:

[fdt]

They just want to know what the US will give when they stay, and what "old europe" when they leave... :lol:Watch Your mouth... We might want the Rammstein AF base to be moved to Poland...

[HELEX]

Watch Your mouth... We might want the Rammstein AF base to be moved to Poland...

Dont think thats very likely :lol:

[fdt]

Watch Your mouth... We might want the Rammstein AF base to be moved to Poland...

Dont think thats very likely :lol: ;) But You can't say for sure... that it's impossible... p-)

[Pille1234]

Watch Your mouth... We might want the Rammstein AF base to be moved to Poland...

Dont think thats very likely :lol: ;) But You can't say for sure... that it's impossible... p-)
I'm sure Kitsune and some others would be quite happy about that...

[HELEX]

Wouldnt be so sad to see them going... ;)

[fdt]

Wouldnt be so sad to see them going... ;)Bucks? p-)

[White_Bear]

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0420/3783682793HM1SCALLY.html

most interesting part:

"Given the circumstances [in Iraq], we will probably diminish significantly the forces at the end of 2004," said Prof Tadeusz Iwinski, secretary of state for international affairs in the office of the prime minister.

Questioned further by The Irish Times, he said: "It is much easier to send troops in than to withdraw them, but we will probably do it at the end of 2004 or the start of 2005."

wtf? Kwach says that we will stay, and Iwinski that we will withdraw.

Politicians :cantbeli:


and miller said that he doesn't know about any changes in our policy and that he is shocked that our governemnt is informed about such things from ******* ;)))))

Iwinski said something about reduction after december and Kwach said that we will stay till the end ;)))))))

so we have all options included ;)))))

[wholagun]

Course, this COULD mean that Poland might send more troops to Iraq, to fill the void left by the Spanish (with adequate compensation I am sure). The reference to a pull out was to Spain's- not Poland's

no we can't put in more troops. We are cutting down troops by 100. The war is not popular 70% don't support the war. And most importantly, we can't afford to send anymore troops to Iraq.

military aid.. HA. we asked for a hundred million military aid and got peanuts instead.Man it's not a hundred million $ of military aid that Poland sent the troops for... The cost of the operation borne by Poland so far (despite the US financial assistance) is higher than a sum You mentioned... :bash: . Polish troops were sent there for smth that is worth billions and billions of $... and it's not oil p-) .

nie nie nie.. I didn't mean cost of operation. I meant money for our military. All we are getting is money to buy old UK C130s and a few Hummers. We didn't get as much as we asked for, its alot to us but to US its nothing. I hope that clears things up.

[mustamato]

nie nie nie.. I didn't mean cost of operation. I meant money for our military. All we are getting is money to buy old UK C130s and a few Hummers. We didn't get as much as we asked for, its alot to us but to US its nothing. I hope that clears things up.

And what about the value of US non-military investments in Poland?

[wholagun]

there is no way in hell Ramstein is getting moved anything soon. If it is its not to Poland, since the US won't set up any bases in Poland.

[wholagun]

nie nie nie.. I didn't mean cost of operation. I meant money for our military. All we are getting is money to buy old UK C130s and a few Hummers. We didn't get as much as we asked for, its alot to us but to US its nothing. I hope that clears things up.

And what about the value of US non-military investments in Poland?

US non military investments are for business and not based on political hand twisting. Whirlpool has set up a new huge factory near Wroclaw, politics had nothign to do with it, pure $$$$$. We gave whirlpool good offer and they chose us over Slovakia.
Lockeed Martin is abit slow with getting its offset projects up and running as fast as the governmnet would like, we will see how that plays out in the future.
US isn't that big of an investor in Poland. France is the biggest by far, then the next in line are I think Holland or UK and Germany, US is abit more down on the list.

[Kitsune]

Watch Your mouth... We might want the Rammstein AF base to be moved to Poland...

Dont think thats very likely :lol: ;) But You can't say for sure... that it's impossible... p-)
I'm sure Kitsune and some others would be quite happy about that...

Let's say, I think I could learn to live with it. ;)


I know Rammstein. And in fact I haven't anything against the Americans there. But I do think, that Europe should defend itself on its own. An American withdrawal would hasten the mental evolvement of some of our politicians in this regard. ;)

In the long term there could be further trouble, though: If the US keeps their current unilateral attitude and wages wars against our will from German soil...well, lets say, they better do it from Polish soil. I have no problem with them sending their injured to the Landstuhl hospital facility, but sending bombers from Rammstein Airbase is a different matter. (Would you, as an US citizen, see things different? Would you allow a foreign power to use American soil to operate from for a war you do oppose?)

Anyway, I am a bit tired of them using this withdrawal as a kind of threat. Or as a punishment? Well anyway Mr.Rumsfeld...do what you have to do.

[fdt]

Pls don't take seriously everything it's written here... The Rammstein case was a joke here... Common manner of discussion between me and helex... Lighten up everybody.

Rammstein rules!!!

http://herzeleid.com/files/images/gallery/till/50_.jpg

"ein heller Schein am Firmament
Mein Herz brennt"

[weedman]

Lefitist proopaganda works well here :( , Media here are presentning Iraq almost like next Vietnam, but strange noone asked soldiers in Iraq what they think about that :) ...I asked some soldiers who returned, that's enough for letting me create my own opinion on that issue.