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Masai
01-18-2007, 04:20 AM
It appears Google has replaced recent satellite imagery of British military bases in Basra with pre-war snaps following Army claims that terrorists were using Google Earth to plan attacks on its facilities.

According to a recent report in the Telegraph, "documents seized during raids on the homes of insurgents last week uncovered print-outs from photographs taken from Google". The images showed in detail "the buildings inside the bases and vulnerable areas such as tented accommodation, lavatory blocks, and where lightly armoured Land Rovers are parked".

On the back of one set of images showing the Shatt al Arab hotel - home to 1,000 men of the Staffordshire Regiment battle group - insurgents had written the "precise longitude and latitude".

An intelligence officer with the Royal Green Jackets battle group said: "This is evidence as far as we are concerned for planning terrorist attacks. Who would otherwise have Google Earth imagery of one of our bases?

"We are concerned that they use them to plan attacks. We have never had proof that they have deliberately targeted any area of the camp using these images but presumably they are of great use to them.

"We believe they use Google Earth to identify the most vulnerable areas, such as tents."

The Army's Basra bases "experience mortar and rocket attacks on a daily basis", the Telegraph notes. The paper continues: "Since the maps were found intelligence chiefs have been keeping track of where rounds land to see if the insurgents are using them to pinpoint weakly protected areas."

Major Charlie Burbridge, the British military spokesman in Iraq, said: "We take the security of our bases very seriously and we constantly review the means to provide secure accommodation for our soldiers. There is a constant threat of reconnaissance missions to access our bases and using these internet images is just another method of how this is conducted."

Google's response to the revelation was to note the information could be used for "good and bad" and is "available to the public in many forms". Regarding reported Army advances to have the offending images removed, a spokesman noted: "Of course we are always ready to listen to governments' requests. We have opened channels with the military in Iraq but we are not prepared to discuss what we have discussed with them. But we do listen and we are sensitive to requests."

It appears the search monolith has indeed shown its sensitive side, since the current Google Earth images of Basra show no sign of the British Army presence (try these .kmz links to the Shatt al Arab camp and Basra Palace complex).

This, sadly, may prove inadequate in the face of the determined terrorist. The Google Earth community was quick to spot the apparent update, with Ogle Earth noting: "Currently, images in Google Earth of Basra are from 2002, months before war. Up until a recent update, the images were likely from late 2004 and/or 2005."


ABOUT BLOODY TIME.

GreySpawn
01-18-2007, 05:22 AM
yeah, and terrorists are stupid enough not to save images..

playtym
01-18-2007, 05:27 AM
If they really wanted to help they should show bases where there aren't any and made the terrs chase their tails all over the place. rofl

Argyll
01-18-2007, 06:34 AM
Ok let me get this right, the Shat al Arab hotel has been there for a long time, the Brits have used it since day one.......hardly a secret.....any imagerey would have featured it, if it's less than 10 years old, Google Earth was not up to date,a lot of the stuff was still from around 2003/4

Lau
01-18-2007, 07:07 AM
yeah, and terrorists are stupid enough not to save images..

Dont be surprised if they really are stupid enough NOT to save the images. ;)

vfwmichael
01-18-2007, 07:13 AM
This is going to open a heck of a large can of terro ... Oopps, I meant 'worms'.

Really, GoogleEarth, isn't that what it's called, could be used for planning attacks anywhere in the world.

What will they do? Blank out/Modify maps/images of all potential sites?

I mean, sites that could be attacked? That's quite a long list, no?

variable
01-18-2007, 07:47 AM
I thought google imagery was too old be used militarily. Most of the pics are older than a year.

Fee Fi Fo Fum
01-18-2007, 08:17 AM
I thought google imagery was too old be used militarily. Most of the pics are older than a year.

True, but in terms of structure layout and vehicle locations, not much changes on site of a military base in one year.

BenUSMC
01-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Google maps was pretty accurate about the **** in Iraq, First time I saw pictures of my base there I was sitting in a hootch I could easily identify on the map I was looking at. IMO they should just "bleep" all of Iraq and Afganistan.

variable
01-19-2007, 11:42 AM
What is known about the insurgencys equipment? I kind of imagine them sitting in earth holes or simple dens without electricity and flowing water. How can they be so hightech to do proper recce on your bases for accurate strikes?

Serious question.

oldsoak
01-19-2007, 12:33 PM
looks like after the mortar attack, theres even more reason to get them to avoid British bases.

ABNredleg
01-19-2007, 02:07 PM
What is known about the insurgencys equipment? I kind of imagine them sitting in earth holes or simple dens without electricity and flowing water. How can they be so hightech to do proper recce on your bases for accurate strikes?

Serious question.

Iraq is very urban and has a very high literacy rate. (Iraq's universities were the envy of the Arab world before the war.) The insurgents have been very creative in using the Internet for information gathering and propaganda purposes. They are very intelligent people, and we must not underestimate them.