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LRPV
01-18-2007, 08:06 PM
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Muslims wary of Howard DVD message

19jan07

A NEW religious row is heating up after it was revealed that Prime Minister John Howard recorded a goodwill message for an Australia Day prayer event organised by a controversial group involved in an anti-Islamic court case.


The Prime Minister has appeared in a DVD message for Catch the Fire Ministries, which is sponsoring a multi-denominational gathering in Melbourne on January 26.
Member of the prime minister's Muslim Community Reference Group and former president of the Islamic Council of Victoria, Yasser Soliman, said today Mr Howard should have thought twice about making the DVD.
"Of course the Prime Minister is free to address anyone he chooses," Mr Soliman said.
"But what he says is extremely influential and what he fails to say is also influential. I would hope that he would clearly condemn hate speeches in all their forms, irrespective of who the perpetrators are.
"It could be perceived that he might have a different standard for some sectors of the community than he has for other sectors in the Australian community, and that would be sending a very dangerous message here and overseas."
Catch the Fire's Pastor Danny Nalliah, who is organising the event, was one of two Catch the Fire ministers charged under Victoria's vilification laws in 2002 for allegedly saying Muslims weer demons.
Pastor Nalliah denied he made the controversial statement and said today the Victorian Court of Appeal backed that last month.
"There is nowhere (on) record that we ever said Muslims are demons," Pastor Nalliah said on ABC radio.
"I would never say that. And secondly we never said all Muslims are violent."
Pastor Nalliah has refused to divulge what Mr Howard has said in his recorded message for fear it will be taken out of context.
"I have kept it confidential up until Australia Day," he said.
"The best thing is for the media to come and listen to it firsthand on Australia Day, then say what they believed they heard the Prime Minister said."
Pastor Nalliah said the event at Festival Hall next Friday involved a wide range of religious groups including the Salvation Army, Presbyterian and Anglican churches and smaller organisations.
"It's about coming together to pray for a nation and I think it's a great opportunity," he said.
Pastor Nalliah said the prime minister was not the only politician to give their support to Catch the Fire.
"In the past we have had our former deputy prime minister John Anderson speak at our meetings.
"(Treasurer) Peter Costello did, so did Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile last year."




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Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims. Waiting for Howard to light the fire.

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Kant
01-18-2007, 08:23 PM
Bit silly on the PM's part.
Oh well.

fantomas
01-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Bit silly on the PM's part.
Oh well.


:roll:

yeah big news, muslims outraged at something or other. gotta be the PM.

LRPV
01-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Howard is a populist....he will ride out any flak over this as it will be seen as a swipe back at the more 'outspoken' members of the muslim community.

Kant
01-18-2007, 09:02 PM
:roll:

yeah big news, muslims outraged at something or other. gotta be the PM.

Read the article.
PR disaster as far as he's concerned.
Should have known better.

Calanen
01-18-2007, 10:22 PM
Most people in Australia won't care. There is not really a lot of popular sympathy for the muslim lobby groups or their complaints right at the moment.

Doublethinker
01-18-2007, 11:47 PM
Australia might, just MIGHT be spared.

R.D.
01-18-2007, 11:55 PM
Austria might, just MIGHT be spared.
Austria... rofl rofl rofl

rolls
01-18-2007, 11:55 PM
Sounds like a bunch of hocus pocus to me.

Kant have you heard whatever it is that is said (this DVD or what not)>?

What are you basing your reply on (sounds as though you heard or seen it)... just curious. I dont see anything in this article but mindless rambling and nothing of any context...

Doublethinker
01-19-2007, 12:00 AM
Austria... rofl rofl rofl

What can I say... Ooops!:cantbeli:

LRPV
01-19-2007, 01:45 AM
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Howard defends DVD message
By Shelley Markham
19jan07

PRIME Minister John Howard today defended a decision to record a goodwill message for an Australia Day prayer event organised by a controversial group involved in an anti-Islamic court case.


The Prime Minister will appear in a DVD message for Catch the Fire Ministries, which is sponsoring a multi-denominational gathering in Melbourne on January 26.
Critics say Mr Howard should not be affiliated with the group while it is facing court proceedings for alleged racial vilification of Muslims.
In the DVD Mr Howard says Christianity has been an enormous force for good and he congratulates Catch the Fire Ministries for organising the event, to be held next Friday.
"Today is, of course, Australia Day," Mr Howard says on the DVD.
"It's a time when we celebrate the freedom and privileges we enjoy as citizens of a great, prosperous and peaceful nation so blessed with an abundance of natural beauty.
"It's also a time to reaffirm our commitment to shared values and our abiding loyalty to our nation, Australia.
"Christianity has been an enormous force for good and has done more than anything else to shape the lives, not only of millions of Australians, but the character of our nation.
"I congratulate Catch the Fire Ministries for bringing Christians from many denominations together for this celebration and I wish you all a very happy Australia Day."
A spokesman said Mr Howard did not regret providing the message.
"The Prime Minister provides messages for a wide array of groups," the spokesman said. "The contents of the message are entirely unexceptionable."




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tyovan
01-19-2007, 06:42 AM
How is this news?

When are Muslims not unhappy with Western governments??

dave81
01-19-2007, 06:58 AM
On a separate but related matter, is Australia Day a big deal? I'm in a community where there are a lot of Australians and I'm wondering how it's celebrated. Is it merely "observed" with minimum celebrating, or is it a time to party and get nuts?

digrar
01-19-2007, 07:48 AM
BBQ, Beer and Cricket.

oldsoak
01-19-2007, 08:26 AM
BBQ, Beer and Cricket.

Cricket ? Whats that ? :lol:

I'd argue that Howards right - for the early white pioneers in Australia, life was hard and religion was a pretty major factor. That the pioneers were predominately Christian is a fact, and the laws of the land were from Victorian Britain which were based on Judaeo-Christian values. The customs of the white pioneers were also based on those norms. If the laws, majority beliefs and majority customs of a land dont shape it, nothing will.