James Bond guys - Just movie-characters?

[Parzival]

There is a lot of spion and action heroes on movies, James Bond, all american guys, Hamilton etc. The list can be long, but are those kind of guys just good movie characters? Do guys like them really excist in real?
What do you think?

I will bring up more information soon.

[ibstolidude]

It appears you have never met Cali-Joe.

[Haiw]

They're called urban ninjas. Apart from being fluent in 38 languages they also have deadly hand-to-hand, infiltration, demolition and stealth skills. All irresistible to women, these undercover heroes are making sure you can keep sleeping...peacefully.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Yup they're real...they have to get caught every mission and have the evil plan told to them just before they escape save the day and bang the girl like a screen door in a hurricane ;)

[Delta Niner]

I've seen a feature on Discovery Channel it's about spies and gears. Roger Moore was the narrator. He said at the end of the film that if you do a James Bond in the real world your dead. :)

[ikurinturbiini]

There is a lot of spion and action heroes on movies, James Bond, all american guys, Hamilton etc. The list can be long, but are those kind of guys just good movie characters? Do guys like them really excist in real?
What do you think?

I will bring up more information soon.

I like Jan Guillou's Hamilton-books, don't know why. I mean, he's not a very good writer, he seems to get his rocks off dissing SÄPO and his own personal enemies in media, wallowing in his own political agenda, and the hero's philosophical ponderings are boring as ****. But hey, there are only so many Nordic Secret Agents around, and this one comes with a Finnish sidekick! (who just happens to be thick as ****...) I bet Guillou did his best to make Hamilton's training and career plausible, give or take a couple of stray Soviet nukes and Mafia assassins.

I guess after completing your training in killing, sabotage and other Bond stuff you just wouldn't blend in at the Monte Carlo Casino. Why should you?

[Khabbi]

So sick of James Bond ,

First movie was in the 60ths , and now 40 years later he is still in active duty . And he seems to get younger and younger . They Should have stoped in the Sean Connery years.

The First movies had very little kills and very low tech , Remeber Dr No ? he dident even kill 10 ppl in that movie , And in " from russia with love " Im pretty sure he only killed one guy . Now He kills 100 dudes without even blinking and apperently the MI6 tech division is sponserd by Mercedes and Ericsson . You would think that James would stop being a "spy" when everybody knows his name and how he looks , but it doesent seem to bother him at all. Killing ppl doesent seem to bother him at all , he has like 2000 kills and sleeps like a baby , and usualy comes up with a funny remark on how he killed them . Im sure the US forces in Iraq walk up to burning corpses and ask " Do u have a light? " . Its not just bad guys he kills , alot of securtiy guards , usualy SGs are regular guys with familys and no ties to secret organizations trying to take over the world . He always gets the girl too , in one of the later flicks ("tomorrow never dies "i think ) James and his spy friend started making out in the last scene , which was the wrecks of a stealth boat , Girl apperently like to make out in blown up stealth boats with corpses floating by .

I know Im taking it too serius ,but I just dont like hollywood and unrealistic movies
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[ZoneOne]

Check out a book called "Race Against Evil" by David Race Bannon

He works for interpol and almost has a license to kill

He's not all snazzy like James Bond - b/c like an above post... you act like Bond in the real world -- your dead


its true -- they are out there

just search... you'll prolly only find bull**** biased info though

[hist2004]

Captain Peter Mason served as a British intelligence operator during WW2. I saw a piece on him on the
Discovery Channel dealing with espionage throughout the 20th century. He was still a very fit gentleman,
considering he had to be in his early 70’s at the time. He was recruited by British Intelligence at the end
of the war to hunt down low-level SS operatives that had escaped the more publicized Nuremburg Trials
that was going on at the time.
Churchill felt the people at the mid-to-lower level in the Nazi organization should be punished, but outside
the norms of conventional justice. Soldiers were recruited from the commandos, paratroopers and SAS.
They received funds from the MOD to conduct these operations, which was totally off the books. They
worked in teams of three usually; and scoured the many POW camps and cities in Germany looking for
the SS. During the war Hitler had issued what was known as the “Commando Order” which stating that
any person caught by the Germans conducting “special operations or partisan warfare” was to be executed
immediately, with no quarter.
Mason and his men would carry a copy of this order, and when the found the individual they were looking
for (they had the complete personal records of the individual for identification) they would show him his
personal papers (the blood drained from their faces, according to Mason) then they would read the commando
order to them. Once they understood what was read to them, they were executed with a P-38 or PO-8 (Luger)
The term given to this operation came from Churchill. SS operatives captured and killed by these teams were
called “Converted to Her Majesty’s permanent custody”

Commando Order

The Commando Order fits on a single sheet of paper but had remarkable consequences in World War II. In this document, Adolf Hitler ordered that all Allied soldiers serving in Commando or other irregular operations were not to be taken prisoner, but were to be handed over to the SD for execution.
Hitler was known to have particular animosity for Allied Commandos and Paratroops due to their successes in Europe, Norway and North Africa, unpredictability, effect on German morale, and his inability to devise any worthwhile counter. Raiding escalated in 1942 and included the large scale Combined Operations' raids at St. Nazaire and Dieppe. Though the main assault on Dieppe failed, the Army Commando attacks on the flank batteries were, on the whole, successful as was the main assault on St. Nazaire.
It is widely believed an occurrence at Dieppe and on a small raid on the Channel Island of Sark by the Small Scale Raiding Force (with some men of No.12 Commando), brought Hitler’s rage to a head. During Dieppe on 18th August, a Canadian officer elected (quite contrary to procedure) to take the full battle plan with him. This bundle was subsequently seized by the Germans during the surrender and found its way to Hitler. Among the bundle is believed to have been advice on how to ‘bind prisoners’, and, a ‘Commando’ manual on close-quarter fighting.
It should be appreciated this bundle was not carried by, not taken from, any Commando, and, in respect of Commandos, any ‘binding of prisoners’ was not part of their orders. There are a number of photographs in various publications and in the Imperial War Museum, London, showing Commandos returning with prisoners captured at Dieppe not even being held onto.
From the beginning the Commandos were instructed in close-quarter combat and use of the fighting knife by Fairbairn and Sykes who were the original instructors in 1940 at Lochailort Special Training Centre, and who designed the original F&S Fighting Knife issued to Commandos. Fairbairn published a number of books on personal defence and offence for general sale, which included “Get Tough” in 1942, publicised as knife fighting technique taught to British Commandos and American Rangers. Both these troops however, were taught by personal instruction and would hardly have qualified as Special Forces if they needed to carry a manual into battle!
On the night of 3/4 October, ten men of the Small Scale Raiding Force and No.12 Commando (attached) made an offensive recognisance raid on the isle of Sark, Operation Basalt. In line with standard procedure the acquisition of prisoners was required. Nine of the raiders broke into the house of a local while the tenth went to a covert rendezvous with an SOE agent. The occupant of the house, Frances Pittard, proved very informative and advised there were about 20 Germans in the nearby Dixcart Hotel. She also declined an offer to take her back to England.
In front of the hotel was a long hut type building, apparently unguarded. This annex comprised a corridor and five rooms wherein were five sleeping Germans, none found to be officers. The men were roused and taken outside whereafter the Commandos decided to go on to the hotel and capture more of the enemy. To minimise the guard left with the captives, the Commandos tied the prisoners hands with the toggle ropes each carried a six foot length of, and required them to hold up their trousers. The practise of removing belts and/or braces and tearing open the fly was quite a common technique the Commandos used to make it as difficult as possible for captives to run away.
While this was being undertaken, one prisoner started shouting to alert those in the hotel and was instantly shot dead with a .38 revolver. The enemy now alerted, incoming fire from the hotel became considerable and the raiders elected to return to the beach with the remaining four prisoners. En route to the beach, three prisoners made a break. Whether or not some had freed their hands during the firefight is not established nor if all three broke at the same time. Two were believed shot and one stabbed. The fourth was conveyed safely back to England and proved a mine of information. The raiders also evacuated a SOE agent who had been posing as a Polish labourer among forced labour on the island.
A few days later the Germans issued a propaganda communiqué implying at least one prisoner had escaped and two were shot while resisting having their hands tied. They also claimed this ‘hands tying’ practice was used at Dieppe?
On 7th October, Hitler personally penned a note in the Wehrmacht daily communiqué: “In future, all terror and sabotage troops of the British and their accomplices, who do not act like soldiers but rather like bandits, will be treated as such by the German troops and will be ruthlessly eliminated in battle, wherever they appear.”
On 9th October, Berlin announced that 1376 Allied prisoners (mainly Canadians from Dieppe), would henceforth be shackled. The British responded with a like shackling of German prisoners in Canada. This tit-for-tat shackling continued until the Swiss achieved agreement with the British to desist on 12th December, and with the Germans some time later after they received further assurances from the British. However, by this time many German camps had abandoned the pointless practice or reduced it to merely leaving a pile of shackles in a prison billet as a token.
On 18th October after much deliberation by High Command lawyers, officers and staff, Hitler issued his Commando Order or ‘Kommandobefehl’ in secret, 12 copies. The following day Army Chief of Staff, Jodl, distributed copies to Headquarters with his addition advising top secrecy and distribution protocol.
"From now on all men operating against German troops in so-called Commando raids ... are to be annihilated to the last man.... Even if these individuals on discovery ... give themselves up as prisoners, no pardon is on any account to be given."
The order falsely claims that British Commandos had been ordered to kill prisoners. That was not the case, quite the opposite was true; the men at Sark acted as they felt appropriate for the situation.
Hitler knew that the order was illegal; that is obvious by the fact it was prepared in only twelve copies and that special measures were ordered to keep it secret. He also knew the order would be unpopular with the professional military, and the order includes measures designed to force them to obey despite their lack of enthusiasm.
The Commando Order was used to kill hundreds and possibly thousands of Allied Special Forces and behind-the-lines operators of the OSS, SOE, and other elements. Normally they would be handed over to the SD or Gestapo, transported to a Concentration Camp, and murdered there. The first victims were seven officer men of Operation Musketoon, who were shot in Sachsenhausen on the morning of 23rd October 1942, and Commando Order executions were carried out well into the dying days of the Third Reich.
After the war, German officers who carried out the illegal executions under the Commando Order were found guilty at war crimes trials, including the Nuremberg Trials. The Commando Order was one of the specifications in the charge against Field Marshal Jodl, who was convicted and hung.

Regards,
Hist2004

[Stavka]

They're called urban ninjas

I assume that they flip out alot, like ninjas generally tend to do and kill people to the left and right? Also, is the frisbee-swallow sepukku applicable in an urban environment or is it possible to replace the frisbee with plastic food-trays or even coca-cola bottles? ;)

[PRKL]

Years ago I red book "By Way of Deception", written by Victor Ostrovsky and Claire Hoy. That was interesting book to read and according it James Bond kind of guys do exist. Well, those early ones. That book is about Mossad.

[ZoneOne]

also a book called

"The Master Of Disguise" written by Antionio J Mendez

talks about a disguise called the "GAMBIT" disguise

in a sense it was a mask made by hollywood make up artists that one person could put on in a matter of minutes to change their race, identity, *** and so on.

In a sense it was a Mission Impossilbe mask

took a lil bit to put on -- but was easy to take off

[iflu]

remaind me sth. dealt with a secret agent years ago, my god, she is gorgeous...

[Erik_MAA]

It is funny how old Bond has become. In Ian Fleming's first books, Bond was a Commander in MI-6 and a WW2 veteran. He drove a 30's vintage Bentley and carried either a .25 Beretta pocket auto or a .38 revolver with the barrel sawed down.

[FLaKKeY]

yeah but bond always gets the girl.. hehehe..

[hist2004]

I'd like to ask Peter Mason (who I highlighted earlier in this thread) if he had anytime to look for woman during operations? :)

Regards,
Hist2004