The Neocons

[osnunez]

I'm sure this is going to make me real popular around here, but here's an interesting 14 part documentry I recently found on YouTube. Please, NO FLAMING.

Part 1: The Neocons - Ideology and Fantasy
http://www.youtube.com/v/sGfa7nM9CNA

Part 2: The Neocons - Rumsfeld's Imaginary War
http://www.youtube.com/v/l5h3q-SmHhY

Part 3: The Neocons - Birth of Islamist Extremists
http://www.youtube.com/v/nGvcDKog1lY

Part 4: The Neocons - Recruiting Christians/Concept of Terror
http://www.youtube.com/v/8jlDzxGEu1k

Part 5: The Neocons - CIA's $1 Billion Backs Future Terrorists
http://www.youtube.com/v/mbwi-Awj7kc

Part 6: The Neocons - Ignored Warning of Terrorists
http://www.youtube.com/v/QEmGB6_uTNM

Part 7: The Neocons - Destruction of the Republican Party
http://www.youtube.com/v/UgBesKRJEVU

Part 8: The Neocons - Clinton's BJ/Extremist Rampage
http://www.youtube.com/v/p78kADCziJE

Part 9: The Neocons - "There's No Al-Qaeda Organization"
http://www.youtube.com/v/7t0C01k0n20

Part 10: The Neocons - "We're Gonna Find Those Evil Doers"
http://www.youtube.com/v/4V88KxtfqC8

Part 11: The Neocons - Hunt for Osama/The Disney Terrorists
http://www.youtube.com/v/LtfTggrQuiA

Part 12: The Neocons - Godzilla Was a Terrorist Mentor
http://www.youtube.com/v/-d7zveqG7cM

Part 13: The Neocons - Dirty Bomb/Precautionary Principle
http://www.youtube.com/v/vGvEAxRsIJU

Part 14: The Neocons - Fear is the Only Agenda
http://www.youtube.com/v/-yAcpNYwn8Q

[Loki77]

...Neo-con agenda is finished.








...The "eternal war" option is so wrong. How can believe in this ideology?

[khaz]

LOL, wow who produced these robert redford or michael moore.

[RECON DOC]

Excelent post osnunez.

It's amazing to me how a few psychotically zealous assholes,(on both sides) who think they know what's best for society, can totally **** up the game for everybody else.

[Kant]

Excelent post osnunez.

It's amazing to me how a few psychotically zealous assholes, who think they know what's best for society, can totally **** up the game for everybody else.

Like woodworkers.
PSYCHE!!!

[RECON DOC]

Like woodworkers.
PSYCHE!!!

Yeah, we're out to control the world you dork. Now stop pissin in the guys' thread.

[Kant]

Yeah, we're out to control the world you dork. Now stop pissin in the guys' thread.

Where is the love mate?

I watched all 14 parts. There is some shallow reasoning in certain areas, and a lot of guilt by association, but overall it's a good investigation of how the Radical right thinks, and operates. Another good documentary on the Radical right is "Stealing an election; the story of Tom Delay", about how Tom Delay created 5 new House seats and broke countless Campaign Finance laws to ensure a Republican majority.

[Thor]

...Neo-con agenda is finished.
In your dreams... Bush is finished though, but he's not up for re-election anyway.


...The "eternal war" option is so wrong. How can believe in this ideology?
Don't know about "eternal"... But evil is not going to go away and it won't give up without a fight.

[Loki77]

Don't know about "eternal"... But evil is not going to go away and it won't give up without a fight.

I agree with you...I do not know nothing about eternity..



However, the world is more complex.
.....America is a democratic country and the neocon legacy is finished, forgotten and sentenced like any other failed ideology.



...About evil, i prefer the dark force in nature.:)

[osnunez]

Where is the love mate?

I watched all 14 parts. There is some shallow reasoning in certain areas, and a lot of guilt by association, but overall it's a good investigation of how the Radical right thinks, and operates.

I definetly agree with you there. It's not like the information is all true and not biased :roll:, but it's still worth a watch and worth thinkg about. Now that the Dems are comming into power, how much do you really think is going to change? Not much. Neh, it's the way it's always been.

[Count Lippe]

thanks for posting this!

[getl0st]

This is excellent, thanks for posting

There's a boogeyman out there somewhere, I know this because someone told me there's one out there...

[Vraltupp]

Neocons sure are evil, manipulating rats... Wolfowitz and Perle, evil as evil can be!

[Thor]

Neocons sure are evil, manipulating rats... Wolfowitz and Perle, evil as evil can be!
I don't see them as real neocons, more like lobbyists.

[tafkaf]

OK, so this is the British BBC documentary "The Power Of Nightmare" originally in three parts, now cut into 14 parts to fit into youtube. This must be a few years old now. There was talk of making a cinema version also.

[shocker1]

Absolutly retarded, I mean any true neocon like me will laugh at such biased montage posted here.rofl I might give you a Gideon though and tell you to repent of your ways.p-)

[baboon6]

I don't see them as real neocons, more like lobbyists.

Well they weren't just lobbyists, Wolfowitz was Deputy Secretary of Defense and Perle at one stage Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, they had real power. Who would you call "real" neo-cons?

[thscott83]

The poster did a disservice to this documentary by calling it "the Neocons"... as this is a totally loaded word, and will turn some people off from watching this pretty informative film. Also, some amateur tainted it with annoying cliche anti-bush catch phrases written on the film which were obviously not on the original cut. Those parts remind me of the loony political nuts you see on public access TV.

[SoliDeoGloria]

In all honesty i'm not extremely political (do i follow politics closely? yes) and to add my 2 cents i think people lack the realization that there are some pretty messed up people out there who genuinely want to kill other people, corrupt governments(like sudan, somalia(although the situation there is....fragile), venezuela, cuba, Iran, north korea, etc. etc. etc.) I am of the school of thought that yes, these people living under this oppression need to be helped. If i remember correctly during the 1980's and 1990's Iraq would have been mentioned on the list of countries needing an intervention. Certainly there should have been intervention back then but for some reason i get the feeling that the countries people protest about needing help, if we were to go in there and help them war will certainly break out and we would once again be blamed for starting another "unjust" war etc. When it comes down to countries like the Sudan any of them really, telling them to stop hurting people has never worked, sending aid into that country doesnt prevent them from doing that and if anything just gives the government more money to continue hurting people, so what option is left? the UN would never do anything(and i would say they are currently to busy raping women and children in the congo and covering that up to care about other conflicts) Military action seems to be the only option to end these social injustices...what does that ential?? civilians would probably get killed in the process, it wouldn't be over night success, it would be messy,soldiers would die, it would take money to rebuild, it would require being in it for the long haul...
so either way i look at it weather its Iraq or the sudan in someway or another the US would have to commit troops if it was up to the US to solve the problem and we would be in a similiar situation (a difficult one at that) no matter where the conflict is.


AFO

[Kitsune]

Tafkaf is right. This is the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares", which aired in Britain in 2004. It needs not to be said that it was quite controversal at the time, as can be imagined, not everyone liked it...
Nonetheless, I personally found it great - as anything one sees on television one shouldn't just believe it as the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but it is definitely a must-see. And perhaps even a must-think.

Thanks for posting this. ;-)

[Count Lippe]

Absolutly retarded, I mean any true neocon like me will laugh at such biased montage posted here.rofl I might give you a Gideon though and tell you to repent of your ways.p-)
true neocon? somehow I don't think you even have an idea of what it means to be a true neocon...

[shocker1]

true neocon? somehow I don't think you even have an idea of what it means to be a true neocon...
Somehow you looked beyond my pirate to find some kind of seriousness in my statement. In truth I am a Conservative, that Neocon bit sounds to much like some Flash Gordon evil Empire.

[Thor]

Well they weren't just lobbyists, Wolfowitz was Deputy Secretary of Defense and Perle at one stage Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, they had real power. Who would you call "real" neo-cons?
To me they were more like opportunists that jumped the bandwagon because they were able to incorporate their interests within the neocon agenda.

[M4ko]

Somehow you looked beyond my pirate to find some kind of seriousness in my statement. In truth I am a Conservative, that Neocon bit sounds to much like some Flash Gordon evil Empire.

so you were being saaarcaaastic, i seeeee....
I mean any true neocon like me will laugh at such biased montage posted here. rofl

I dont see any sarcasm here, you referred to your self as a true neocon who would laugh at this, and you laughed. What i see is some confused wannabe who is trying to find his ideology for patriotism's sake.

[shocker1]

so you were being saaarcaaastic, i seeeee....

I dont see any sarcasm here, you referred to your self as a true neocon who would laugh at this, and you laughed. What i see is some confused wannabe who is trying to find his ideology for patriotism's sake.
And I see a Grade A Asshole keeping up his image.

[M4ko]

Intersting documentary, will watch rest later. First clip hits it right on the spot of how Soviet Union's threat was exaggerated for ideological purposes.

[M4ko]

And I see a Grade A Asshole keeping up his image.

truth tends to hurt.

[shocker1]

truth tends to hurt.
Oh no my whole world has crashed because Grade A Asshole M4ko somehow found me out. Very nice job indeed, now I must change my life to fit my fake MP.net Neocon agenda.:cantbeli:

[baboon6]

To me they were more like opportunists that jumped the bandwagon because they were able to incorporate their interests within the neocon agenda.

I always understood it that Perle at least was one of the founders of the "neo-con" movement, being one of the early members of PNAC and all that.

[Macs.]

Watched it, has some very good/interesting points.


In all honesty i'm not extremely political (do i follow politics closely? yes) and to add my 2 cents i think people lack the realization that there are some pretty messed up people out there who genuinely want to kill other people, corrupt governments(like sudan, somalia(although the situation there is....fragile), venezuela, cuba, Iran, north korea, etc. etc. etc.) I am of the school of thought that yes, these people living under this oppression need to be helped. If i remember correctly during the 1980's and 1990's Iraq would have been mentioned on the list of countries needing an intervention. Certainly there should have been intervention back then but for some reason i get the feeling that the countries people protest about needing help, if we were to go in there and help them war will certainly break out and we would once again be blamed for starting another "unjust" war etc. When it comes down to countries like the Sudan any of them really, telling them to stop hurting people has never worked, sending aid into that country doesnt prevent them from doing that and if anything just gives the government more money to continue hurting people, so what option is left? the UN would never do anything(and i would say they are currently to busy raping women and children in the congo and covering that up to care about other conflicts) Military action seems to be the only option to end these social injustices...what does that ential?? civilians would probably get killed in the process, it wouldn't be over night success, it would be messy,soldiers would die, it would take money to rebuild, it would require being in it for the long haul...
so either way i look at it weather its Iraq or the sudan in someway or another the US would have to commit troops if it was up to the US to solve the problem and we would be in a similiar situation (a difficult one at that) no matter where the conflict is.


AFO

Either you didn't watch the documentary or you didn't get it. Didn't get it at all.

[JKD]

Excellent show.

The neoconservatives, their way of thinking, their policies, the starkly black and white, good vs. evil, overly simplistic fantasy land they seem to inhabit is largely why I no longer consider myself a Republican. At least not with them at the stearing wheel.

[nick_ua]

great documentary.
anyway to get it in one piece and good quality. anybody have it?

[Kant]

great documentary.
anyway to get it in one piece and good quality. anybody have it?

It's on Google video
The Youtube version cut's off the beginning.
Just hit the search button again to take you back to the results.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-5042711310749426183&q=The+Neocons

[Vraltupp]

It's on Google video
The Youtube version cut's off the beginning.
Just hit the search button again to take you back to the results.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-5042711310749426183&q=The+Neocons

And as the documentary proves, the top neocons are mostly jews, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith etc, hardcore jewish straussians. To be such a small population on this planet, jews do make alot of noise.
Can we agree on this or will I be suspended for infractions now?

[getl0st]

And as the documentary proves, the top neocons are mostly jews, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith etc, hardcore jewish straussians. To be such a small population on this planet, jews do make alot of noise.
Can we agree on this or will I be suspended for infractions now?

Yep, this is definitely holiday material...

[Kitsune]

The documentary on google-video, under its original title and in its original format, the three episodes as which it aired in Britain:


http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1002626006461047517&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares+-+Part+1

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7930933565201168&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares+-+Part+2

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8732625326538179377&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares+-+Part+3





And here is a link to the whole documentary in DVD format:

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmaresDVD

[nick_ua]

And here is a link to the whole documentary in DVD format:

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmaresDVD
you are the man
thanks a lot,this is what I want

[friikki]

Great documentary. Makes you think. Thanks mate.

[Esszett]

Thank you osnunez and Kitsune!
Very interesting.
Haven't seen that before.
I especially recommend the original (BBC)-version to which Kitsune posted the links.

[countermeasure]

One of the funniest titles I've ever heard....
Part 12: The Neocons - Godzilla Was a Terrorist Mentor