Marines Kill 20 Insurgents in Fallujah

[seruriermarshal]

Wed Apr 21, 4:36 PM ET

By JASON KEYSER and LOURDES NAVARRO, Associated Press Writers

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Peace efforts in this besieged city ran into trouble Wednesday as guerrillas mounted a heavy attack on Marines in a battle that killed 20 insurgents, and Marines said almost all the weapons turned in so far in a crucial disarmament were in such bad shape they were already useless.


In response, Marines halted the return of some of the 70,000 residents — more than a third of Fallujah's population — who fled during this month's bloody fighting. Crowds massed behind concertina wire, with women and crying children pressing forward demanding to be let in. Nearby trucks were stacked high with the families' belongings.


About 10 families re-entered the city in the morning before Marines announced to some 600 Iraqis waiting at the checkpoint that no more would be allowed in.


Wednesday's events were a setback to an agreement aimed at bringing peace to the beleaguered city, reached over the weekend by U.S. officials and Fallujah leaders. Under the deal, the city leaders called on guerrillas to disarm, and the Americans said they would try to let in 50 families a day.


U.S. officials say the handover of heavy weapons is vital and have warned that if the deal falls through, the Marines may launch a major assault on Sunni insurgents. That would likely mean a resumption of heavy fighting.


The battle for the city has killed at least seven Marines and more than 600 Iraqis, mostly civilians, according to the city hospital.


Marine commanders said some weapons were handed over during the day, but 95 percent were in such bad shape they were useless. They would not say how many weapons were turned in.


"These may be early indications that the insurgents may not be living up to the requirements of the agreement," Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said earlier in the day, when Marines reported no weapons had been surrendered.


He said the halt in allowing families to return was in response to what Marines called a poor start to disarmament, but also aimed to prevent an influx of civilians in case hostilities resume.


Wednesday contrasted with the spirit of optimism on Tuesday, when several hundred Iraqi police and security forces moved back into the city, along with 50 returning families. A curfew was pushed back by two hours to 9 p.m, and shops opened to allow residents to stock up on goods.


On Wednesday, shops sealed up again — and remained so through the day — after explosions were heard from fighting on the north side of the city, and Cobra helicopter gunships were blasting with Gatling guns from the air. Tanks moved into the Julan neighborhood where Marines said the insurgents had taken up positions.


The battle began when 13 insurgents ambushed Marines on the north side of the city, Byrne said. The Marines called in Cobra gunships that killed 10 of the attackers.


Nearly three dozen insurgents joined the fight with Marines in a running battle that lasted four hours. It ended when U.S. warplanes dropped two 500-pound bombs. Ten more insurgents were killed, Byrne said


He said high-level commanders viewed the battle as a "major breach" of the agreement. "The implication of that I don't know yet," he said.


Capt. Matt Watt, of the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines regiment, said he doubted the battle would scuttle Monday's agreement, suggesting it was an isolated attack by a relatively small group of guerrillas.


"I think its one last surge by the Mujahedeen and criminal type elements in the city to get one last attack in before the political situation snuffs them out," Watt said. "They see that the end is near and they are making one last push."


In both Fallujah and Najaf in the south — the other front of violence this month — U.S. forces have slowed down their military push, faced with a widespread outcry over the fighting.





U.S. military officials have said taking Fallujah by force could trigger yet more anger, driving Iraqis far beyond Fallujah to support the rebels and further alienating the coalition.

Even greater is the fear of a backlash from the country's majority Shiites if U.S. troops move into their holiest city, Najaf, to capture radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. U.S forces massed on the city's edge are reducing their numbers from 2,500 to 2,000 and say they don't intend to assault the city.

The Najaf standoff needs to be negotiated to an end, said Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, deputy commander of U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites).

"It's obvious Najaf is a whole different issue," Metz said. "A Westerner needs to think of the Vatican (news - web sites) when a Shia thinks of Karbala and Najaf."

[UkrainianAmerican]

Semper Fi.

[TriggerPuller]

When are they gonna let us get outta this defensive mode and let us do what we do best and kill the bad guys. I can tell you that is alot more than 600 at this point and in no way mostly civilians. BS!!!!!!

TP

[MetalBoy]

Hopefully this will precipitate the ending of this lame politically motivated truce. Kick their asses Marines!!

[UkrainianAmerican]

Stay safe TP! woot

[American Patriot]

Insane anti-Iraqi terrorists may be out of a job soon.

[MetalBoy]

The whole idea of making a ceasefire with insurgents/terrorists is sorta retarded. Ok, there is peace for now but I'm pretty sure that they would just continue their activity's (ie blowing up Iraqi kids) as soon as the US releases some of the pressure on them.

[Ratamacue]

Go break some hearts, Marines.

[Ghostwolf]

This socalled "ceasefire agreement" will not work if nobody wants to follow it. For those fanatical insurgents the ceasefire agreement means "regroup and rearm", and by the looks of their organization(if any at all), they don't seem to have any intelligent, civilized leader among them that is willing to talk peace. So if these barbarians don't wish for peace, the Marines will have no choice but to use their "language" to communicate with them.

[seruriermarshal]

Marines will win !!!!!

woot

[Maine Finn]

Marines will win !!!!!

woot

Indeed. Semper Fi, Devil Dogs!

[Brozozo]

Ditto. Semper Fi, stay safe Devildogs!

Oooooooooraaaaaaahhhh

Semper FI!!!

GO GET EM MARINES, I'll BE JOINING U SOON BROS

[seruriermarshal]

Anti-Coalition Forces Continue to Attack in Fallujah

FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. Marines battled anti-Coalition forces in Fallujah during the last 24 hours, killing at least 17 attackers.

Ten attackers fired rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47s at Marines from a house in eastern Fallujah around 6:45 p.m. April 20. The group is suspected of similar attacks over the past three days. Marines responded by firing mortars at the house.

Three vehicles of armed attackers arrived shortly afterward, and Marines again fired mortars, killing eight attackers and destroying all three vehicles.

At around 9:30 p.m. April 20, 12 attackers in two white SUVs pulled up to the Fallujah Liaison Team Building, got out of their vehicles and fired on it with small arms. Army military police fired back and the attackers fled. A mobile security patrol attempted to capture the attackers but was unable to locate them.

At around 6:30 a.m. April 21, Marines were attacked by approximately 40 insurgents in northwest Fallujah. The attackers fired on the Marines with small arms and RPGs from the cover of a nearby palm grove.

Marines called in attack helicopters, which fired on the attackers, killing nine and wounding an unknown number. Three Marines were wounded in the engagement.

Marines maintain the right to use decisive but proportional force to defend themselves, Coalition forces, Iraqi security forces and the Iraqi population.

[Uninen]

When are they gonna let us get outta this defensive mode and let us do what we do best and kill the bad guys. I can tell you that is alot more than 600 at this point and in no way mostly civilians. BS!!!!!!

TP

Nice argument. :roll:

[TriggerPuller]

When are they gonna let us get outta this defensive mode and let us do what we do best and kill the bad guys. I can tell you that is alot more than 600 at this point and in no way mostly civilians. BS!!!!!!

TP

Nice argument. :roll: Who is arguing?
WTF do you know about Marine battle tactics? Nothing! I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TP

[Uninen]

I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TriggerPuller,

And your age? You dont seem to be very mature or stable person, also i would be very careful about those threats, you have no idea whom your ****ing with kid.

And personally, i dont care nor it would make any difference.

[MetalBoy]

I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TriggerPuller,

And your age? You dont seem to be very mature or stable person, also i would be very careful about those threats, you have no idea whom your f*** with kid.

And personally, i dont care nor it would make any difference.

rofl Uh oh here we go again with some retard thinking TP is some wannabe kid. And I don't think you know who you are talking to asshole.:backhand:

PS Sorry TP, I know you don't need others to defend yourself, this guy just pisses me off.

[Uninen]

With stupid ass comments, flaming and threats like that his kid for me.

I do know that he claims to be in Iraq and ****, but the all the BS he just gave me for no reason really, i really have to doubt him, and futhermore i suspect that he has some mental issues.

But i said, makes no difference to me, and he said his gonna kill me, well bring it on.

[seruriermarshal]

With stupid ass comments, flaming and threats like that his kid for me.

I do know that he claims to be in Iraq and ****, but the all the BS he just gave me for no reason really, i really have to doubt him, and futhermore i suspect that he has some mental issues.

But i said, makes no difference to me, and he said his gonna kill me, well bring it on.

Marines Kill 20 Insurgents , you sad ?

[Uninen]

Marines Kill 20 Insurgents , you sad ?

Now why would i be "sad"? Its not like im Iraqi resistance fighter that dont know how to shoot, aim and kill......

[Haiw]

I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TriggerPuller,

And your age? You dont seem to be very mature or stable person, also i would be very careful about those threats, you have no idea whom your f*** with kid.

And personally, i dont care nor it would make any difference.
As said before, TP is a 15-year-old computer geek who would be kicked to death by you within a matter of seconds. Surely TP is only a shadow of your mighty power and military experience. Furthermore TP has totally no knowledge of Marines at all as he has never even been near any Marines barracks.





And that is a joke. p-)

Anyone wanna nominate Uninen for the darwin award? :D
Uninen; you have no idea in whose yard you're pissing.

[Uninen]

Haiw,

Give it a ****ing rest, i didnt come here to fight.

And of TP,

I coulnt care less about "who" he is. Cause what he did was that he basicly promissed to kill me... :cantbeli:

[ronin2172]

uninen u bring it on yourself...it seems every time an american posts something u feel it is your sacred duty to respond negatively. U feel it is your sacred duty to bash the US in any way shape or form.

In one thread that showed pics from the Iran /Iraq war a guy asked who won the war. U said no one (which is correct) then u went on to say, the USA masterminded it, yet when i challenged u on it u provided NO evidence to back up your claim (the "u heard an american politician or general say "let them bleed to death" doesn't count as a factual statement), besides u never answered my question where is the proof that the USA masterminded the Iran/Iraq war?

[Falco]

Can't wait until TP comes back rofl

[UkrainianAmerican]

I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TriggerPuller,

And your age? You dont seem to be very mature or stable person, also i would be very careful about those threats, you have no idea whom your f*** with kid.

And personally, i dont care nor it would make any difference.
Okay I put my money on TP, if he is a former Marine.

[Uninen]

uninen u bring it on yourself...it seems every time an american posts something u feel it is your sacred duty to respond negatively. U feel it is your sacred duty to bash the US in any way shape or form.

In one thread that showed pics from the Iran /Iraq war a guy asked who won the war. U said no one (which is correct) then u went on to say, the USA masterminded it, yet when i challenged u on it u provided NO evidence to back up your claim (the "u heard an american politician or general say "let them bleed to death" doesn't count as a factual statement), besides u never answered my question where is the proof that the USA masterminded the Iran/Iraq war?

Im just gonna ask you...... are you out of your god damn mind? They tell this fact even in documentary on History channel....... it is no big secret, Americans actually even actively helped Iraqis, by attacking Iranians during that war.

And when Iraqis by accident hit US navy frigate by Exocet ASM:s and killed lots of sailors they just passed the incident and said, "no biggie".

Iran was Americas enemy, Iraq was the proxy. You have, i assume heard of "War by proxy"......... it was a big hit during cold war.

:petting:

[ronin2172]

Saddam did what he did in Iran on his own not through prodding by anyone. Did the USA object...no and y should they? If by standing by the US masterminded the whole war then damn what else could it be guilty for?

When was Saddam a proxy for the US? If you said Afghanistan...fine, the contras...yup, the government in El Salvador ok, but Saddam? He wasn't a proxy for anyone!

again i ask for facts not insults....the history channel...what show was this? Show me some DOCUMENTATION not some un named documentary...

[ronin2172]

and if Iraq was a 'proxy' then how smart was it to give arms to the iranians during the whole Iran- Contra affair? Answer that one smarty pants

[Uninen]

ronin2172,


One of the factors contributing to hostility between the two powers was Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's desire to regain full control of the Shatt al-Arab waterway at the head of the Persian Gulf, an important channel for the oil exports of both countries. In 1975, United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had sanctioned the Shah of Iran to attack Iraq over the waterway, which was then under Iraqi control at the time. Iran had also been supporting a Kurdish rebellions in Iraq. In 1975 Iran and Iraq signed the Algiers Accord in which Iraq made territorial concessions, including the waterway, in exchange for normalized relations between the two countries.


Starting in 1982 with Iranian success on the battle field, the United States changed its less announced policy of backing Iraq to a clear direct support, supplying it with weapons and economic aid, and normalizing relations with the government (broken during the 1967 Six-Day War). The United States engaged in a series of naval battles with Iranian forces in 1987 and 1988 and even the U.S. cruiser USS Vincennes (July 3, 1988) attacked an Iranian airliner with the loss of all 290 passengers and crew, including women and children. Some analysts interpreted this as a very severe warning to end the war, as it no longer benefitted the U.S. government.

The disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway, was to begin with disputed only because USA had sanctioned it "occupation" back in 1975.

There would have not been any dispute over it without USA.

Well at least not from Iraqis side......... whom as it happens attacked to regain it after fall of Shah........ to take back something that actually belonged to them.

[Uninen]

and if Iraq was a 'proxy' then how smart was it to give arms to the iranians during the whole Iran- Contra affair? Answer that one smarty pants

Arms for hostages, that was the deal......... (you know when Iranians took couple of great satans and some little devils as hostages...... :lol: ) dont you know anything? :cantbeli:

[Maine Finn]

I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TriggerPuller,

And your age? You dont seem to be very mature or stable person, also i would be very careful about those threats, you have no idea whom your f*** with kid.

And personally, i dont care nor it would make any difference.

Are you dumb? TP's going over there this weekend, he posted as much on another thread. I'd say he's far more mature and stable than a gentleman such as yourself.

I've tried to get you to shut up and back off, but it strikes me that you're bent on angering as many people as possible. So go to it, mate. You're doing a good job giving the rest of us a bad reputation.

[ronin2172]

ok that's nice now where did u get this quote as in source...(I like to see it for myself)

[Maine Finn]

As said before, TP is a 15-year-old computer geek who would be kicked to death by you within a matter of seconds. Surely TP is only a shadow of your mighty power and military experience. Furthermore TP has totally no knowledge of Marines at all as he has never even been near any Marines barracks.





And that is a joke. p-)

Anyone wanna nominate Uninen for the darwin award? :D
Uninen; you have no idea in whose yard you're pissing.

Maybe we should start a poll, to see who should get that award. Who do you think will be nominated?

EDIT:


Okay I put my money on TP, if he is a former Marine.

He is.

[ronin2172]

Arms for hostages, that was the deal......... (you know when Iranians took couple of great satans and some little devils as hostages...... ) dont you know anything?

I know the point of the deal but my point was is that the thing u do to a proxy? (Iraq since it was the USA's proxy)

[Uninen]

Maine Finn,

Just read the topic, and read how does TP react to my posts, and what my posts actually "include", also see that TP is there actually being "very nice" and saying that "his going to kill me". In the post that you quoted...... see that its TP:s post that i replied in there.

Yeah, sure very gentlemen like and mature, saying to people that "im gonna shoot you" on a discussion forum. NOT!
:bash:

[Maine Finn]

Maine Finn,

Just read the topic, and read how does TP react to my posts, and what my posts actually "include", also see that TP is there actually being "very nice" and saying that "his going to kill me". In the post that you quoted...... see that its TP:s post that i replied in there.

Yeah, sure very gentlemen like and mature, saying to people that "im gonna shoot you" on a discussion forum. NOT!
:bash:

I give up.

You go ahead and make the rest of us look bad. You're doing a fine job of it.

At least TP knows when to stop.

[Uninen]

Arms for hostages, that was the deal......... (you know when Iranians took couple of great satans and some little devils as hostages...... ) dont you know anything?

I know the point of the deal but my point was is that the thing u do to a proxy? (Iraq since it was the USA's proxy)

They didnt supply all that much weapons.. mostly some missiles (IE TOW:s) and helo and a/c spare parts...

And that is not what you usually do to a proxy, but here nessecity dictated that they would have to give some weapons to their proxys enemy because if they didnt the odds were that the hostages held would be either killed or that they would be as hostages for much, much longer........

[ronin2172]

**August 1985. 96 TOW missiles but no hostages were released. A DC-8 flew from Israel to Iran and transferred $1,217,410 into the Swiss bank account of arms dealer Ghorbanifar.


**September 1985. 408 TOWs were sold to Iran. One American hostage, Benjamin Weir, was released a day later.


**November 1985. 18 Hawk missiles were shipped to Iran via a Portugal and Israel. North arranged for the transfer of one million dollars which was placed into the bank account of Lake Resources, a CIA operated front to launder money in Florida. 80 Hawks were to be delivered; however, 62 were never delivered. North and Secord testified later that the money received covered the payment for the aircraft. $150,000 was actually spent for transportation, and $850,000 was diverted to the Contras.


**February 1986. 1,000 TOWs were sent to Iran in increments of 1,000 each and at $10,000 per missile. $10 million was placed in the account of Lake Resources. $3.7 million was used to pay for the TOWs. Of that amount, $6.3 million was profit.


**May 1986. $16.5 million was paid to the United States for spare parts for Hawk missiles. $6.5 million was given to the government, and $10 million was deposited in the bank account of Lake Resources. Two months later on July 26 Father Lawrence Jenco was released, and the remaining Hawk parts were sent on to Iran.


**October 1986. 500 TOWs were sold to Iran, David Jacobsen was released. $3.6 million was given to the United States. $2 million was paid for the missiles, while $1.3 million became profit.

uniden wrote....
They didnt supply all that much weapons.. mostly some missiles (IE TOW:s) and helo and a/c spare parts...

yea...right.....

[ronin2172]

anyway u still haven't given me the link for the quote u posted

[Uninen]

Yeah? Thats mostly TOW missiles, you think that those quantities matter? Those had no real effect to the out come of the fighting. It wasnt like you were delivering them with thousands of tanks or hundreds of new a/c or helos.

And they also suplied spare parts like i said, at least for AH-1:s, F-4:s and for F-14:s also AIM-7 and AIM-9:s AAM:s.

[Uninen]

anyway u still haven't given me the link for the quote u posted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_war
http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html
http://www.google.fi/search?q=Iran-Iraq+War&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=fi&btnG=Google-haku

:petting:

[ronin2172]

Yeah? Thats mostly TOW missiles, you think that those quantities matter? Those had no real effect to the out come of the fighting. It wasnt like you were delivering them with thousands of tanks or hundreds of new a/c or helos.

damn near 2,000 TOW missles can make a helluva difference if your opponent doesn't know u have them! say ten percent (a under estimate) of the missles were effective..ok that means 200 iraqi tanks were killed, which in turn means (depending on the model ) anywhere from 600-800 iraqi soldiers were killed...u call that no big deal...hmmm and then u say some of the posters on this site are bloodthirsty!

[Uninen]

Just because the vehicle gets destroyed even by TOW, doesnt mean that the crew get cooked.

And hit % of 10? In Iranian hands... i think that with the training and experience that Iranians had that would be quite accurate, or even over estimate, and even if it isnt, i dont think that Iranians used TOW only against armor, but used it as PGM against all different kinds of targets, and i recall hearing that AH-1s even had so air to air kills with TOW:s....

And what is more, Iranians did have TOW already during the time when Shah was in power, so the TOW:s werent any kind of "nasty surprice" to Iraqis....

And about the human costs of that war, it is said that "500 000" died, but i suspect this to be false and inaccurate figure and taking to account the time that the war endured and the effective weapons used, i would suspect that at least 1 000 000 people died, and many more were injured.

[ronin2172]

Just because the vehicle gets destroyed even by TOW, doesnt mean that the crew get cooked.

we r not talking about a challenger, or M1, or Merkava here....we are talking about T55s T62s and T72s (sans reactive armor). What happens to a tank when it is hit in the turret? What happens to this same tank if it is penetrated?remember the iraqis used soviet tanks which are more compact then western tanks ; i would hardly think the effects would be negligible.


i dont think that Iranians used TOW only against armor, but used it as PGM against all different kinds of targets

and so what if they used them against more than tanks , the fact that they used them against other vehicles (apc's, trucks) or bunkers could mean even more casualties. Hell a tow would destroy a BMP 1 and everyone in it no problem (see pics of BMP's hit in Afghanistan)

And hit % of 10? In Iranian hands... i think that with the training and experience that Iranians had that would be quite accurate,

i never said the iranians were bad shots...i said let's say (hypothetically) that only 10 % of the missles were effective they could still cause a lot of damage.

the point is that 2,000 missles is hardly insignifigant as u claimed.....

The links were good but still doesn't prove your statement about the US being the 'mastermind'. If u want to lay the blame solely on what happened with the pre revolutionary government...fine. But don't tell me the US ultimately planned the war ( That would presume that the policy makers at the time had prognostication skills worthy of Nostradamus, i need to ask them for some lotto numbers!). Also the fact that the US didn't normalize relations with Iraq until after the war started would say that they had no direct hand in starting the war.

Ok the US took advantage of the situation and ok they didn't make the situation any better, but to blame the US and only the US for that is stupid. Many countries have to take the fault for that along with the US. The whole point is u blame the US for everything and conviniently forget that other countries played a role in the whole affair France, China, Soviet Union, North Korea, Saudi Arabia amongst others. But they only supplied weapons and money, and i guess the US was behind that too.

[Salty Dog]

Oooooooooraaaaaaahhhh

Semper FI!!!

GO GET EM MARINES, I'll BE JOINING U SOON BROS

no you won't. but i will! :|

[Uninen]

Soviet made Tanks, like T-55, 62 and 72 only explode as you described when ITS OWN AMMUNITION supplys explode, and with weapons like TOW i suspect that this didnt happen as much as with 250kg LGB:s.....

And of your 10% hit estime of TOW:s in Iranian hands, i said that the estime can be accurate.... because: Iranians were mostly BADLY TRAINED.

And more of TOW:s and the targets they hit.... ive heard and i think its correct that during desert storm (so why not during Iran-Iraq war?) if one Iraqi tank out of the unit was hit by missile or bomb the rest of the tank crews bailed out and left their tanks. So basicly after having lost one with crew the rest were left as empty targets, to enemy to have a turkey shoot day with them.

And of 12,7mm AAMG:s on Iraqs Soviet made tanks ive also read of certain military publication from that time that the Iraqis didnt actually almost ever use them against enemy a/c or helos. Like said after one was hit, they mostly bailed out and ran away or for cover, on foot.

Same article on that book said that Iraqis had not had any training to use (then) advanced fire controls of even T-62:s and didnt know how to use em, so they used what was basicly ww2 tank tactics.

And what comes to the somebody being the "mastermind" or the "devil on the shoulder" i still feel that it was in fact USA..... cause many of them western nations (and even China at that time) were functioning as USA "weapons supplier proxies" to 3rd world conflicts....... IE CIA supplied also the "freedom fighters" of Afghanistan with POLISH and CHINESE new weapons at that same "time frame".

Of all weapons delivered to Iraq, i feel that only maybe France and for sure USSR were acting alone, rest were supplying weapons because of reguests of USA. (IE Germany that actually delivered couple of chemical weapons plants to Iraq, which they wouldnt surely have not done without it been sanctioned by US.)

and theres no denying that who was the mastermind of that resistance (in Afghanistan) it was USA, so i see no reason why wouldnt it have been also USA in Iran-Iraq war, after all both USSR and Iran alike were seen as the enemies in USA.

[TriggerPuller]

I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TriggerPuller,

And your age? You dont seem to be very mature or stable person, also i would be very careful about those threats, you have no idea whom your f*** with kid.

And personally, i dont care nor it would make any difference. Sensitive pole smoker you are! You care to put your creds up against mine.You post abot the Iran-Iraq war I was there(among other operations) for a year on Special Operations and was on a PSD for a VERY well known US Senator during this time frame! Care to tell us a liitle of your background so all these fine posters can see where you are coming from with your slanted and biased posts or would you rather hide from the comfort of your home? Care to debate your position on the US with my friends and warriors over on SOCNET? You will soon have a rude awakening about who Iam! I DO have you in my sights(not a threat it means Iam watching you)!!! F**king LOSER!!!

TP

[TriggerPuller]

Where are my posts that you quote me as "Iam gonna kill you" or "Iam gonna shoot you". Post it NOW!! If you dont know who or what agency/group I work for I suggest you stop your misrepresentations of me ASAP!! Not a threat but a friendly suggestion!

TP

[TriggerPuller]

It has become apparent to me that all your info you have is from books and newspapers and heresay then you post conjectures and half truths!
Stay out of converstaions that you have no first hand knowledge of,again you are showing your ignorance!!

TP

[Maine Finn]

TP -

Back on topic, I hope. What do you think of how the Marines are handling Fallujah? Maybe a severely dumb question - although I have a tendency to ask dumb questions - but I'm curious to know what a forner Marine thinks about how things are going there.

~Emily

[Uninen]

:roll:

I know who you are (well knew for passing moment), there was that article about you..... i checked it and you out, and frankly i was not impressed. (so i forgot already...)

Oh and not a treath? Are you foking kidding me? You said i was "in your sight" and that im "terrorist" and the "enemy".....

Also you yelled at me that im "POS" and now im "****ing Loser", which i see you already edited out of that post of yours.

Seriously man, i might have some insight and oppinions on certain matters, but that im "enemy" or "terrorist"..... well thats just weak, and also so very untrue. :|

[TriggerPuller]

:roll:

I know who you are (well knew for passing moment), there was that article about you..... i checked it and you out, and frankly i was not impressed. (so i forgot already...)

Oh and not a treath? Are you foking kidding me? You said i was "in your sight" and that im "terrorist" and the "enemy".....

Also you yelled at me that im "POS" and now im "f*** Loser", which i see you already edited out of that post of yours.

Seriously man, i might have some insight and oppinions on certain matters, but that im "enemy" or "terrorist"..... well thats just weak, and also so very untrue. :|Wow your grasp of the English language is herendous! I didnt edit s**t out of my posts. You take everything out of context cause you dont have a clue about what I say to you. Get it right numbskull(figure that one out! lol). As for the article again you have no idea of the conversation and how the interview went down or even why I was interviewed. This was posted here for my friends to see not you. But it is obvious that you have a hard on for me or you would not have mentioned it. Again where are your creds? Iam WAITING!

TP

[MetalBoy]

I know who you are (well knew for passing moment), there was that article about you..... i checked it and you out, and frankly i was not impressed. (so i forgot already...)

Your not impressed huh? Well ****, TP might as well unpack his bags and stay home now. :roll:

[TriggerPuller]

I know who you are (well knew for passing moment), there was that article about you..... i checked it and you out, and frankly i was not impressed. (so i forgot already...)

Your not impressed huh? Well ****, TP might as well unpack his bags and stay home now. :roll:LMMFAO!!! Metalboy I like you in a non homo way that is!! :D

TP

[Uninen]

But it is obvious that you have a hard on for me

Yeah, that must be it. Seriously look couple pages back at this topic i made one comment, and you went ballistic, over nothing really.

(i said: "Nice argument." and gave "rolleyes" next thing i see, your name calling and insulting me.)

Seriously, i have no special interest in you, especially no interest in "fighting" with you. But it really seems that your enjoying **** like this..




When are they gonna let us get outta this defensive mode and let us do what we do best and kill the bad guys. I can tell you that is alot more than 600 at this point and in no way mostly civilians. BS!!!!!!

TP

Nice argument. :roll: Who is arguing?
WTF do you know about Marine battle tactics? Nothing! I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TP

:roll:

I suggest that you go to deep within yourself and "study" alittle. First off: all that **** was uncalled for. (that YOU gave) Secondly **** about you claiming fighting in Fallujah and civilian casualities....... either your working for the PR-section or then your as full of "it" as is that claim you made..

Or is it that there is nomore "civilian casualities" for US Forces? After all, it has been a while after it was ordered that the hospitals may not anymore keep records of such casualities.

:slap:

[farmgirl]

Here's my take on the matter.... like it or not.... here I go.

The BTDTs on this board (please correct me if I am wrong gentlemen) find it quite frustrating to continually read comments from people who have no idea what is actually happening in the field. It's easy to sit behind a computer and make generalizations regarding US policy, private military contractors, the US Military and any number of other topics. However, these men have put their lives on the line for their countries, and it's not hard to understand why they might take offense to someone who has never "walked the walk" questioning what they have done and are doing.
I'm not saying that one doesn't have the right to ask questions or question policies. However, people who do not know what is happening in the field should not state opinions as facts. Reading something in a book or hearing it from "someone in the military" is not the same as having been there and done that.
I've been amazed at the audacity demonstrated by some board members in the past few days and weeks. I just shake my head when I read posts in which kids are telling BTDTs that they have no idea what is happening or has happened.... they were there! Incredible! I think Cali Joe said it best when he said.... "It's like an arrogance bomb went off in here."

Trigger Puller is what he says he is.... he's a former Marine Staff NCO and is certified for CP. The lives of some very prominent people, including a US Senator, the president of Sony-Mexico, and Don King, have been put in his hands. More importantly, I wouldn't hesitate to put my life in his hands. Personally, I do find his credentials impressive.


Uninen
Re: What you perceived as threats from TP. From reading your posts, I would assume that English is not your first language. We often use what we call "figures of speech" here in the US.

Figure of Speech: an expression, as in metaphor, in which words are used in a nonliteral sense.

When TP uses a phrase such as "you are in my sights," he is using a figure of speech, and it shouldn't be taken literally. He simply means that he is watching you.

[Maine Finn]

Here's my take on the matter.... like it or not.... here I go.

The BTDTs on this board (please correct me if I am wrong gentlemen) find it quite frustrating to continually read comments from people who have no idea what is actually happening in the field. It's easy to sit behind a computer and make generalizations regarding US policy, private military contractors, the US Military and any number of other topics. However, these men have put their lives on the line for their countries, and it's not hard to understand why they might take offense to someone who has never "walked the walk" questioning what they have done and are doing.
I'm not saying that one doesn't have the right to ask questions or question policies. However, people who do not know what is happening in the field should not state opinionsas facts. Reading something in a book or hearing it from "someone in the military" is not the same as having been there and done that.
I've been amazed at the audacity demonstrated by some board members in the past few days and weeks. I just shake my head when I read posts in which kids are telling BTDTs that they have no idea what is happening or has happened.... they were there! Incredible! I think Cali Joe said it best when he said.... "It's like an arrogance bomb went off in here."

Trigger Puller is what he says he is.... he's a former Marine Staff NCO and is certified for CP. The lives of some very prominent people, including a US Senator, the president of Sony-Mexico, and Don King, have been put in his hands. More importantly, I wouldn't hesitate to put my life in his hands. Personally, I do find his credentials impressive.


Uninen
Re: What you perceived as threats from TP. From reading your posts, I would assume that English is not your first language. We often use what we call "figures of speech" here in the US.

Figure of Speech: an expression, as in metaphor, in which words are used in a nonliteral sense.

When TP uses a phrase such as "you are in my sights," he is using a figure of speech, and it shouldn't be taken literally. He simply means that he is watching you.

Indeed. You've said it far better than I've been able to. Thanks, FG.

~Emily

[Uninen]

Who is arguing?
WTF do you know about Marine battle tactics? Nothing! I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TP

Farmgirl and TP... Do you think that im retard? That post clearly includes treaths and insults of which as least the treath is illegal. :petting:

He says I only wish you were in my sights....... there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy...........
That isnt a foking "FIGURE OF SPEECH". :bash:

[cut]

Who is arguing?
WTF do you know about Marine battle tactics? Nothing! I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TP

Farmgirl and TP... Do you think that im retard? That post clearly includes treaths and insults of which as least the treath is illegal. :petting:

He says I only wish you were in my sights....... there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy...........
That isnt a foking "FIGURE OF SPEECH". :bash:



Uninen, you should take it easy and stop pissing people off for no good reason. Especially posters as respected as TP.

TP, letting him get you like that is bad enough but calling people terrorists is below you. But I'm sure you know that and I'm not in a position to have a go so I'll stop now.

[farmgirl]

Who is arguing?
WTF do you know about Marine battle tactics? Nothing! I only wish you were in my sights,there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy!! Your verbal terrorism doesnt work here POS!!

TP

Farmgirl and TP... Do you think that im retard? That post clearly includes treaths and insults of which as least the treath is illegal. :petting:

He says I only wish you were in my sights....... there is no difference between you and them to me you ARE the enemy...........
That isnt a foking "FIGURE OF SPEECH". :bash:


No... I don't think you are retarded. If you feel threatened by TP's post, I'm sorry. It's not a threat to tell someone that you wish something, and it's not illegal to call someone the enemy. He didn't call you a terrorist. He likened your diatribes to verbal terrorism.


Regarding wishes..... as my grandma used to say.... "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."

Don't take wishes too seriously.

PS... I'm not taking your :bash: as a threat... should I? :D

[TriggerPuller]

Unic,You have not answerd my questions and dont seem to understand my context so I will just leave it at that.

Cut, hey bro I was likening his diatribe as "verbal terrorism" for inciteful statements he has made in the past. I get your point though.

FG, nice post! I would hire me if I was looking for work! :D

TP

[Haiw]

To be honest I wouldn't even thrust Uninen with the life of my neighbours dog...

[bobdakilla]

hey uninen .... ur a homo

[Pooga]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:z-BC2TzZ70AJ:www.skoo.nildram.co.uk/stuff/pwned.jpg

Sorry.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Nicely said FG! :)

[zenmaster]

Hey TP- out of curiosity, which article is he referring to? You can PM me if you don't want to say it out loud. I find it amusing that someone is challenging you; I wouldn't have the cojones to an I'm a KBTKDT guy. (Kinda been there, Kinda done that) Uninen, you need to learn to back away. There are some guys who will MonkeyStomp people for saying less. That's who Marines are: they get paid to kill people and break ****.

P.S. please learn what a figure of speech is... sometimes if it sounds like a Treath may not be one if you don't understand the context of the Treath

[farmgirl]

Hey TP- out of curiosity, which article is he referring to? You can PM me if you don't want to say it out loud. I find it amusing that someone is challenging you; I wouldn't have the cojones to an I'm a KBTKDT guy. (Kinda been there, Kinda done that) Uninen, you need to learn to back away. There are some guys who will MonkeyStomp people for saying less. That's who Marines are: they get paid to kill people and break ****.

P.S. please learn what a figure of speech is... sometimes if it sounds like a Treath may not be one if you don't understand the context of the Treath


Here you go Zen....
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12689&start=0

um... nice location :cantbeli:

[Johnnyringo]

Hey TP- out of curiosity, which article is he referring to? You can PM me if you don't want to say it out loud. I find it amusing that someone is challenging you; I wouldn't have the cojones to an I'm a KBTKDT guy. (Kinda been there, Kinda done that) Uninen, you need to learn to back away. There are some guys who will MonkeyStomp people for saying less. That's who Marines are: they get paid to kill people and break ****.
P.S. please learn what a figure of speech is... sometimes if it sounds like a Treath may not be one if you don't understand the context of the Treath


Nice! But the pay isn't worth the amount we kill or break.

[zenmaster]

Thanks Farmgirl: for the link and your avatar (I got lonely last night) :)

Ringo- No ****. I guess sometimes it equals out, though. I don't know how much worth of USMC property I've broken.