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He219
04-22-2004, 02:07 PM
Israel Sees Missile-Protected El Al Plane by June

By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (*******) - Israel is fitting El Al's aircraft with a pioneering anti-missile system amid growing airline fears of global terrorism, the Transport Ministry said Thursday.

El Al's first missile-protected plane should take off in June, but industry analysts said other companies were still likely to find the cost of such measures prohibitive.

Israel stepped up efforts to adapt military anti-missile systems for its civilian aircraft after an Israeli charter jet came under attack from shoulder-held missiles in Kenya in 2002.

The missiles, fired by al Qaeda-linked attackers, missed.

The ministry said an El Al passenger jet was being fitted with the Israeli-made "Flight Guard" system, which automatically releases diversionary flares if a heat-seeking missile is detected by an on-board sensor.

"We expect the first plane to be flying by June, and this is just the beginning of a comprehensive upgrade of the El Al fleet," a ministry spokesman said.

El Al is already regarded as the world's most security-conscious airline due to its stringent anti-hijacking precautions -- such as armed guards on all flights and very close pre-flight checks on passenger lists.

Aviation industry analysts said fitting military equipment to civilian planes would pose cost problems for many airlines, since such systems must be constantly serviced and make planes less aerodynamic -- which harms fuel consumption.

"There are a lot of expectations that cannot be met," said Goldman Sachs aerospace analyst Sash Tusa, referring to the feasibility of airlines embracing such technology.

Analysts said the likelihood of a shoulder-fired missile actually downing a civilian aircraft was remote, noting such aircraft are built to withstand the loss of an engine.

An Airbus A300 cargo plane flown by U.S. delivery firm DHL survived a missile strike over Baghdad last November.

The Israeli ministry spokesman declined to discuss budgets.

But aviation sources put the cost of the "Flight Guard," installed on the El Al jet by state-owned Israel Military Industries and Elta defense firm -- a unit of Israel Aircraft Industries -- at about $1 million each.

Aviation sources said Flight Guard is embedded out of sight in the plane's body to avoid drawing attention, and its flares are designed not to be a fire risk if they land in civilian areas.

Although it would be effective against heat-seeking missiles like the SA-7, produced in the former Soviet Union and widely available in the developing world, it would not be able to beat radar-guided missiles.

(Additional reporting by Jason Neely in London)
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040422/ts_nm/security_elal_countermeasures_dc_2

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Masked Iraqi terrorists, in the south of Baghdad, shoot a shoulder-launched missile (an SA-14 Gremlin and not an SA-7 Grail as initially reported by the US military) at a civilian DHL cargo jet, a few minutes after take-off, setting fire to the engine.

pinkeye
04-22-2004, 02:18 PM
beat ya by 3 minutes... ;)

Abolith
04-22-2004, 03:28 PM
I'll betcha those DHL pilots were glad it wasn't something a bit bigger. if it had been that plane may not have survived...this Idea sounds like a good one to me especally in "hot" areas like Iraq or Africa ect....

Fox2
04-22-2004, 04:11 PM
I always liked flying with El-Al. ;)

FDF_Hemppis
04-22-2004, 06:08 PM
Reminds me of this story I heard while in the FDF:

At the time of ILMA2002 war practice, there was an AAA battalion covering Helsinki's airport. Pretty much their only job was to track some target UAV's, and since they knew there weren't coming any anytime soon, they got a bit bored with nothing to. And since Finnish conscripts are known to be creative at killing time, this one guy who was sitting is his gun decided to do this by painting the approaching planes with a targeting laser (range finder?). Just so it happened that one of these planes was an Israeli cargo plane, which, when "painted" started making evasive maneuvers.

Of course this guy was like "WFT?" and in no time the air traffic control frequency was filled with the voice of some Israeli captain screaming "we're being targeted!!" The officers then quickly came curious of this, and counted 1+1, and radioed to the air traffic controller that "no worries, mate. It's just us practicing." They then relayed the same to the Israeli plane. The story doesn't tell if the conscript got punished...

Now I really don't know all the details, but this is the story as it was told to me.

IDFM203
04-25-2004, 04:15 PM
Good post He219 :D

I will just copy a post of mine that I posted a while ago in This thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=111686&highlight=elta#111686) that has more details and pics of the various systems that Israeli companies have come out with a while ago




http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040106/capt.sge.tqg83.060104184605.photo00.default-378x290.jpg

A US Marine mans an anti-aricraft Stinger missile. The Homeland Security Department announced three companies to develop and test equipment to protect civilian airliners from missile attacks from weapons like the Stinger(AFP-USMC/File) Its about time :D ...since the almost downing of that Israeli plane in Kenya, Israeli companies have already developed two different (competing) systems that is on it’s planes now (or perhaps it was already on that Kenya flight ;) )

The first one is called flight Guard and it is devolved by Israel Aircraft Industries' (IAI) Elta Systems

http://www.janes.com/regional_news/africa_middle_east/news/jar/jar030516_1_p.jpg

Flight Guard comprises two main components: Elta's autonomous radar system, which detects the launch of surface-to-air missiles, and IMI's countermeasures dispensing system, which jams and diverts heat-seeking missiles. The Elta radar is based on similar systems that protect military aircraft. "The system is designed for the maximum safety required for operation in a civilian environment," said Israel Livnat, general manager of Elta Systems. "The flares are intended to burn for a very short time to avoid any damage even if discharged in low altitude."

Then second one is a Israeli system that’s made by the Israeli company Rafael and theirs is called BRITENING (http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/air-britening.htm)
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/images/britening.jpg

BRITENING is a comprehensive electro-optic self defence suite designed specifically for commercial and transport aircraft. BRITENING protects the aircraft against a wide variety of missile threats. The system integrates passive missile warning sensors - Guitar-350 and the JAM-AIR directional infra-red countermeasure system. The system is controlled by the integral System Processing Unit (SPU). BRITENING is fully automatic. The countermeasures are self activated by the SPU upon the detection of a threat, and directs the countermeasures toward the threat until its neutralization.


For more on both click a article in Janes (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jar/jar030516_1_n.shtml)

or click here for a more comprehensive article (http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/03paris/hard16.htm)

Shalom :D

UkrainianAmerican
04-25-2004, 04:21 PM
El-Al is a really funny airline in my opinion. Its made by jews for jews, but yet happens to be one of the more expensive ones.
What's uup with that? :lol:

Javehn
04-25-2004, 04:23 PM
El-Al is a really funny airline in my opinion. Its made by jews for jews, but yet happens to be one of the more expensive ones.
What's uup with that? :lol:

Zionist conspiracy . ;)

Who should pay for the security ?

UkrainianAmerican
04-25-2004, 04:37 PM
Thats why most people who go to Israel, fly some alternative israeli airlone, hehe.

Javehn
04-25-2004, 04:59 PM
Well , there are 3 companies , the big one is El-AL .
The small one are Israir , and Arkia . Those both are not only Aircraft , but also a tourist companies , and mainly flies inside Israel (and over Europe) . Only El-Al flies over Atlantic .

SeanAshi
04-25-2004, 05:28 PM
Ben-Gurion airport needs more terminals

UoUo
04-25-2004, 05:52 PM
Ben-Gurion airport needs more terminals

Don't you heard about the new air port? "natbag 2000" (lol 2000 and now its 2004) will open this Year...and finnaly a we will have 1 of the moderns airports in the World. :D

StarvingStudent47
04-26-2004, 02:58 AM
Ben-Gurion airport needs more terminals

Don't you heard about the new air port? "natbag 2000" (lol 2000 and now its 2004) will open this Year...and finnaly a we will have 1 of the moderns airports in the World. :D

You think you guys are slow? Do a Google search for "Big Dig" sometime and learn about that boondoogle in Boston...

Javehn
04-26-2004, 03:06 AM
Ben-Gurion airport needs more terminals

Don't you heard about the new air port? "natbag 2000" (lol 2000 and now its 2004) will open this Year...and finnaly a we will have 1 of the moderns airports in the World. :D

You think you guys are slow? Do a Google search for "Big Dig" sometime and learn about that boondoogle in Boston...

http://www.wholeworldwindow.com/0301boston/medium/19%20post%20big%20dig%20ventilation.jpg
p-)

Hmmm , looking good ...