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Lazy Lob
01-28-2007, 07:06 AM
I read this article this very morning. I may not agree with all of it but it’s very thought provoking. I would also add the despicable scenes on Branscombe beach in Cornwall.


We received an essay with a cover note from a British reader this morning, both of which are worth posting in their entirety:

Dear Baron and Dymphna,

After “Undercover Mosques” was transmitted on UK television last Monday here is my take on a week that has left me bemused, depressed and shameful. Is the Britain we have become really what our grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought and died for?

I am sending this to various other sites. If you wish to use it I would be grateful if you would attribute it to me under my full name.

I am currently writing a book regarding consequences for the West that 50 years of liberalism has ensured. Hence a little publicity is no bad thing.

Kind Regards
Paul Weston
London


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The Week Britain Died
by Paul Weston

When future historians look back at what was Great Britain, they would do well to note the events of January 15th-22nd 2007.

In a quite extraordinary week, the people of Britain were given several clear indications of where there country was going, yet these indications were resolutely ignored by the media, the people and the government.
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The TV Company, Channel Four, was at the forefront of the news, but for all the wrong reasons. In one programme they bought the nations attention to the sheer bigotry, intolerance and racialism of one section of our community, which was subsequently endlessly debated by the media and deemed worthy of such importance that even Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were sucked into the national breast beating.

This programme was “Big Brother” which for those mercifully unaware is a reality TV show charting the ignorance, pathology and hysteria of social degenerates locked together in a house for the viewing delectation of British people of ALL social backgrounds. Last weeks programmes focussed on the unpleasantness with which an English girl and her friends treated an educated Indian actress. By mimicking her accent and calling her “that Indian” so a continental political rift ensued between Britain and India, smoothed over by the intervention of the aforementioned Blair and Brown. By the end of the week this unedifying spectacle attracted over 9 million viewers.

In another Channel Four programme, “Undercover Mosques” an intrepid journalist with a hidden camera put his life quite literally on the line and bought us news from various Mosques around the country. This news, essentially, was that homo******s should be killed, paedophilia condoned, women as second-class citizens beaten — as should girls who do not wear the hijab, and lastly, Islam must take over the UK and run it under Sharia law whilst waging Jihad against the infidels.

To rub salt into the wound it transpired that some organisations calling for all the above have been singled out and praised by Tony Blair and the British police as role models for their inter-faith and multicultural activities. Perhaps this is why our politicised police, so keen to prosecute the BNP’s Nick Griffen for accusing Islam of being wicked, have done NOTHING in the face of Islamic calls for murder and conquest.

The viewing figures for this highly important programme were between 1 to 1.5 million people. Given the pre-release advertising and the importance that UK Muslims would put on such a programme it is probable that the vast majority of viewers were not of the race and faith singled out for extinction, but the Muslims themselves. Indigenous Brits may have numbered in the low thousands.

For the first time in this Country the mainstream population was given information previously only available to the tiny minority of people with sufficient interest and intelligence to seek it out via “right-wing” websites or books conspicuous by their absence in Waterstones. I have always thought that if the general population knew what I knew, then the political scene would change. I was sadly mistaken, and not just about the population at large. What should have triggered outrage was ignored by all, including the so-called highbrow newspapers. The Guardian refused to even mention it, whilst the rest of the British media were interested in one thing and one thing only, Big Brother.

“Undercover Mosques” is perhaps the most important programme to have been made in the UK since the invention of the television. It is not the time to detail the transcript here, but it was chilling, terrifying stuff. That the British, in their entirety, ignored it in favour of the appalling and degrading Big Brother, possibly the worst programme ever made is cause for concern, yet could the pathologically suicidal British fall any lower? Well yes, they could.

There were two other stories in the papers this week, both related to the European Union. The first was that the British Parliament would nod through a watered down version of the EU constitution without, as previously stated, a referendum. The second was that Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, was intending to re-introduce said constitution despite the previous no vote from the Dutch and French. It would appear obvious that the EU Socialist Super State will be inflicted upon us undemocratically. Should we care about this or is Big Brother still uppermost on the warped, adolescent minds at the BBC? Both stories, of course, went unmentioned by the TV media.

Angela Merkel was an East-German Communist. Whilst at the Karl Marx University in Leipzig she was Secretary for Agitation and Propaganda in the Community youth wing. She will find this in keeping with the unelected EU Commissioners where ex Communists make up seven of their twenty seven members, including it’s current President, José Manuel Durão Barroso, once one of the leaders of the underground Maoist MRPP (Reorganising Movement of the Proletariat Party).

Vladimr Bukovsky is on record as stating that Communism never died and is now being inflicted incrementally on the West via the European Union. Do the British know anyting of Bukovsky, or indeed of Communism? No, they do not, the BBC et al refuse to talk to him, after all, as an imprisoned and tortured dissident what does he REALLY know about Communism in comparison to the utopian, idealistic British liberal elites who run our government, media, civil service, police and educational institutions.

Do the British in fact know anything, absolutely anything of any significance at all anymore or is the limit of their thought process set at the bar of Big Brother? We also learned this week that a pass mark of 18% is all that is necessary to gain a C grade exam pass. 50% of our schoolchildren leave school without attaining this in English and Maths, yet 100% of them know everything about TV “celebrities” who can barely speak their native language.

And so we ignore the ideology of one movement who state they wish to eradicate us and another which killed close to 100 million people, whilst we embrace the ideology of celebrity, ignorance and pathology.

From my viewpoint, and I say this with great sadness, we deserve all that we get, which barring a revolution will be one of the following.

An Islamic State.

A Totalitarian Socialist State within the European Union.

A Failed State — after the economic collapse of the EU — caused by bureaucracy, an illiterate and inumerate workforce and unopposable competion from the East.

Revolution — in the event that the British revolt before these scenarios unfold there will be carnage and civil war, possibly even European war. This is the least probable. We sit slack-jawed and glassy-eyed on our draylon sofas, worshipping at the Altar of television, dressed in polypropolene casual wear, remote in one hand, chips in the other. We have all the Soma we need to insulate ourselves from reality.

So, this week we have been shown our choices and we have chosen the path that 50 years of progressive education, Communist subversion, mass immigration and media brainwashing has pre-chosen for us. Much as we may wish to continue shopping on credit cards, watching reality TV shows and imbibing drugs and alchohol, I am am afraid it is no longer up to us.

This was the week that Britain died from infantilism, liberalism, ignorance and decadence, manifesting themselves in our utter indifference to our survival. We deserve to go, just as future Arnold Toynbees will relate.

MoFo
01-28-2007, 07:17 AM
Christ its Big Brother, and just because of afew ignorant racists like Jade Goody "Britain Dies"?, gimme a break!

TheBelgian
01-28-2007, 07:49 AM
Although the author raises some good points (mainly what a horrible show big brother is), this text reaks of paranoia and fear mongering. He's free to feel this way, but IMHO its over the top. His bleak 3 or 4 possible future scenarios leave out a big possibility; that things might actually be alright! I know its a crazy notion, but maybe the UK becoming more active in the EU and taking more of a leadership role in it will not percipitate do downfall of the country, god forbid, it might even be a good thing. Although I do agree that liberalism and common sense (crying about the horrors of 'racism' vs actually cracking down on Muslim extremists that are threatening the country) have now lost touch with eachother, I think this author needs to get some perspective. The UK isnt dead yet.

Thor
01-28-2007, 08:05 AM
I don't find anything really new in this, but all his points are valid.

Especially absurd is the comparison between the outrage derived from a reality show to the absence of outrage when an alarming report from the mosques is aired.


Angela Merkel was an East-German Communist. Whilst at the Karl Marx University in Leipzig she was Secretary for Agitation and Propaganda in the Community youth wing. She will find this in keeping with the unelected EU Commissioners where ex Communists make up seven of their twenty seven members, including it’s current President, José Manuel Durão Barroso, once one of the leaders of the underground Maoist MRPP (Reorganising Movement of the Proletariat Party).
This I didn't know. Terrifying and despicable. I just lost all respect for those indivudals. Shouldn't Merkel even be up for prosecution?


This news, essentially, was that homo******s should be killed, paedophilia condoned
See the difference.. Paedophiles should not be killed, only homo******s. According to them it should only be regarded as an homo****** act if the boy has reached puberty.

Thumpsquid
01-28-2007, 08:42 AM
Right, right. So a failing Reality TV show on a minority channel shows the way to eternal damnation and The End Of Civilisation As We Know It.


NURSE!:backhand:

Thor
01-28-2007, 08:45 AM
How about you reading it again

Lazy Lob
01-28-2007, 09:03 AM
What Thor said.

chas
01-28-2007, 09:15 AM
Please, read the article again: he is NOT saying that the racist behaviour of some BB contestants is going to finish Britain, but that the liberal media (effect of yer-long COMMUNIST SUBVERSION :D) has stupidized the british public so much that it pays more attention to the stupid comments from BB than to a much more important issue: that of radical muslims IN Great Britain (showed in the documentary "Undercover Mosques").

All in all, just another racist rant (please dont give me no "its not racism, because islam is not a race", because the hatred against muslims is mainly a combination of religion, race, nationality, culture...)...
...the only thing Im not sure about is: do these fear-mongers really believe that ****, or do they just pretend to believe all those "dark days for GB" to provoke the same hatred in their readers?

tsuri
01-28-2007, 09:30 AM
Haha



There were two other stories in the papers this week, both related to the European Union. The first was that the British Parliament would nod through a watered down version of the EU constitution without, as previously stated, a referendum.

Watered down = 10% of the TCE text, including only the institutional reforms, which oddly enough, make the EU more democratic ;)



Angela Merkel was an East-German Communist. Whilst at the Karl Marx University in Leipzig she was Secretary for Agitation and Propaganda in the Community youth wing. She will find this in keeping with the unelected EU Commissioners where ex Communists make up seven of their twenty seven members, including it’s current President, José Manuel Durão Barroso, once one of the leaders of the underground Maoist MRPP (Reorganising Movement of the Proletariat Party).
I am sure that mandatory membership in a communist organisation in a socialist country was completely her own idea.
Are former communists now evil people? Half the continent used to be communist...

Btw unelected is a cute term to say "appointed by the national governments". Election would mean an actual power transfer to Brussels, he probably does not know what he wants.

Hydro
01-28-2007, 09:32 AM
I think most of the British Government are former Communists, I'm not sure singling out Merkel as an EU jab is something special.

Macs.
01-28-2007, 10:27 AM
Calling Angela Merkel a "Communist" is total bollocks, I stopped reading there.

That article is a waste of time.

Did they really translate "Kulturreferentin" as "Secretary for Agitation and Propaganda" ? Hilarous.

Thor
01-28-2007, 10:43 AM
All in all, just another racist rant (please dont give me no "its not racism, because christianity is not a race", because the hatred against christians is mainly a combination of religion, race, nationality, culture...)...
There, fixed it for you.


This article is not about my country, but let me say this about my country: It's my home, and in my home I do reserve the right to say who are welcome and who are not welcome. People that I consider to be hateful very likely won't be welcomed, while other foreign groups will be very welcome.


I am sure that mandatory membership in a communist organisation in a socialist country was completely her own idea.
"Secretary of agitation and propaganda" doesn't come off as a position someone who weren't dedicated to the cause would end up in.


Are former communists now evil people?
If they have stopped being evil is hard to say... But what they have done can't be undone, and they who don't belong in prison should at least be denied the right to hold office. Just look how hard many ex-communist countries have worked to keep former communists out.

Has Merkel publically asked for forgiveness or something in that way? I think she should donate to the victims of communism etc. People like her need to be very active in dealing with their pasts.


Half the continent used to be communist...
Quite a bit of difference between they who were subjects to the system, and they who were the system.

Weasel
01-28-2007, 11:15 AM
Has Merkel publically asked for forgiveness or something in that way? I think she should donate to the victims of communism etc. People like her need to be very active in dealing with their pasts.

roflroflrofl

Macs.
01-28-2007, 11:16 AM
Has Merkel publically asked for forgiveness or something in that way? I think she should donate to the victims of communism etc. People like her need to be very active in dealing with their pasts.

She didn't do anything which would need her to beg for forgiveness, so please stop writing such bollocks if you don't know what you are talking about.

Thor
01-28-2007, 11:17 AM
She didn't do anything which would need her to beg for forgiveness, so please stop writing such bollocks if you don't know what you are talking about.
According to this she took active part in the evil system and now she holds the second highest office.

This might also explain why she seems so willing to strike deals with Putin, a german-speaking ex-KGB agent, and by so jeopardizing the stability in the Baltic region.


roflroflrofl
If you want to laugh at the millions of victims, go ahead and do so.

Here's a picture from the Berlin Wall Victims Memorial.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5797/berlinwallvictimsar5.jpg

Indiana Jones
01-28-2007, 11:28 AM
You are making a fool of yourself, Thor. This article has no credibility at all, mildly put. The allegation that Mrs. Merkel supposedly was a senior FDJ functionary is ludicrous. Grave translation error.

Weasel
01-28-2007, 11:36 AM
If you want to laugh at the millions of victims, go ahead and do so.

No, I´m just laughing about you. rofl

Thor
01-28-2007, 11:37 AM
You are making a fool of yourself, Thor. This article has no credibility at all, mildly put. The allegation that Mrs. Merkel supposedly was a senior FDJ functionary is ludicrous. Grave translation error.


Like most pupils, Merkel was a member of the official, communist-led youth movement Free German Youth (FDJ). Later she became a member of the district board and secretary for agitation and propaganda at the Academy of Sciences in that organisation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel

Wikipedia isn't always the best source though...

Thor
01-28-2007, 11:38 AM
No, I´m just laughing about you. rofl
Because I pointed out that she needs to repent and do good in respect of the victims of her former (?) ideology. You're probably a left-wing supporter so I don't blame you, that's just the way you people are.

Indiana Jones
01-28-2007, 11:53 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel

Wikipedia isn't always the best source though...
Precisely. Let´s just say that someones German and was not quite up to the task here.

Thor
01-28-2007, 11:59 AM
1961 wurde Angela Kasner an der Polytechnischen Oberschule (POS) in Templin eingeschult. Sie trat der Pionierorganisation Ernst Thälmann, der Kinderorganisation der FDJ, bei und galt während ihrer Schulzeit als aktives FDJ-Mitglied.
The german version says she was active but not exactly what she did.

But if all these three sources are wrong, then of couse I'm wrong too and I will be the first one to admit it.

Weasel
01-28-2007, 12:01 PM
Because I pointed out that she needs to repent and do good in respect of the victims of her former (?) ideology. You're probably a left-wing supporter so I don't blame you, that's just the way you people are.

It´s not hard to be left of you because you are at the far end of the right wing. ;-)

Btw. calling Merkel a communist is like calling Mother Therese a prostitute.:cantbeli:

Hadamar
01-28-2007, 02:05 PM
It´s not hard to be left of you because you are at the far end of the right wing. ;-)

Btw. calling Merkel a communist is like calling Mother Therese a prostitute.:cantbeli:

Christopher Hitchens claims Mother Theresa whored herself, figuratively, to unscrupulous weathly benefactors to enrich the Church. Hitchens, as Thor on Merkel, perhaps goes a little too far, but his deconstruction of Mother Theresa is exemplary.
http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/
http://www.salon.com/sept97/news/news3970905.html

Kitsune
01-28-2007, 03:55 PM
The article is another ridiculous document of British xenophobia and paranoia. If Britain dies one day it is more likely to happen beacuse of these character traits.

About the European consititution: that is not necessarily a bad thing. It can be, but that depends on the contents of that said constitution. The basic idea, namely to replace the present bundle of treaties which bind the EU together for one basic treaty is ok. And depending on its contents it could result in less power for the EU institutions, less buraucracy and more transparency - and that should be in the interest of all of us, Eurosceptics included. In any case, to condemn it outright without knowing any specifics is wrong.

Angela Merkel had of course something to do with communists since he was born 1954 and lived until the end of the GDR in the Eastern German state. Other then that she was a physicist, no politican. She started to engage in the democratic movement the very instant when the first symptoms of a weakening of communism appeared and very soon joined the Christian Conservatives (a party to which she still belongs of course). In other words, the suggestion made in the article, Angela Merkel would be some bolshevist in disguise who is working for one hypothetical "EUSSR" is simply preposterous. (And that Thor seems to believe it makes me again believe in the thesis of the low Swedish average IQ...;-))

2Sheds_Jackson
01-28-2007, 04:15 PM
The language that the article uses is a bit over the top, but it raises several broader points that do bear examination. Nations don't run themselves without guidance and vision, everything will not be fine if not attended to, and those forces most willing to sacrifice will in the end get their way. I leave it to the reader to decide whether those forces are the complacent mind-numbed viewers of BB, or those who center their very lives around their religion of conquest.

tsuri
01-28-2007, 04:28 PM
According to this she took active part in the evil system and now she holds the second highest office.



Has Merkel publically asked for forgiveness or something in that way? I think she should donate to the victims of communism etc. People like her need to be very active in dealing with their pasts.



Her job dealt with purchasing Theatre tickets. I think she should indeed apologize to all the victims of poorly acting FDJ teens performing an extended Version of Mutter Courage.



This might also explain why she seems so willing to strike deals with Putin, a german-speaking ex-KGB agent, and by so jeopardizing the stability in the Baltic region.

That was Gazprom Gerd.

Kitsune
01-28-2007, 05:58 PM
Thor wrote:
According to this she took active part in the evil system and now she holds the second highest office.

Don't exaggerate. Chancellor is only the third highest post in the German government, not the second highest. ;-)

cbreedon
01-28-2007, 08:47 PM
Thor wrote:

Don't exaggerate. Chancellor is only the third highest post in the German government, not the second highest. ;-)


Slightly OT.... I thought Chancellor is like Prime Minister which is basically the highest. You can say the Queen is the highest, but in reality it is the PM.

What offices are higher than Chancellor?

Macs.
01-28-2007, 08:57 PM
Slightly OT.... I thought Chancellor is like Prime Minister which is basically the highest. You can say the Queen is the highest, but in reality it is the PM.

What offices are higher than Chancellor?

David Hasselhof and the President:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_K%C3%B6hler

Kitsune
01-28-2007, 09:17 PM
@cbreedon:

There is something like a protocol that defines highest. In Britain you cannot only say the King or Queen would be highest - His or Her Majesty are highest, before the PM.
As far as the German protocol is concerned, the highest office in the German government is the Federal President, currently a man named Horst Köhler, the second highest is the President of the Bundestag (the Federal Parliament), that job has these days a guy called Norbert Lammert. The Federal Chancellor is only the third highest office, number four is the President of the Federal Council, etc. But since the President has mostly a representative function (although he has some powers he has not much to do with day to day politics) and the President of the Bundestag is mostly occupied with the proceedings of the Parliament, the Chancellor as leader of the cabinet holds the position that has the most overall power and influence. That is why the present Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel is very well known the wolrd over while the other two guys (especially the Bundestagspräsident whom probably many Germans could not name) are not.

cbreedon
01-29-2007, 12:23 AM
David Hasselhof and the President:


Damn how could I forget "The Hof" and the power he has over the Germans




As far as the German protocol is concerned, the highest office in the German government is the Federal President, currently a man named Horst Köhler, the second highest is the President of the Bundestag (the Federal Parliament), that job has these days a guy called Norbert Lammert. The Federal Chancellor is only the third highest office, number four is the President of the Federal Council, etc.

Thanks.. I figured the Federal President was probably number 1 but I didn't know about the President of the Bundestag... You learn something everyday...

Freibier
01-29-2007, 03:59 AM
Damn how could I forget "The Hof" and the power he has over the Germans

Yeah, how could you forget?
After all, he brought down ze Wall, singlehandedly ;)

alfigel
01-29-2007, 06:35 AM
Because I pointed out that she needs to repent and do good in respect of the victims of her former (?) ideology.

It wasn't her ideology. The majority was member in these youth organizations in the GDR. You could choose not to become a member, but it made your daily life a lot more difficult, and virtually impossible to be admitted to University. And when you were older, it was virtually impossible to get a better job without being SED party member.

IMHO, a good sign that she was the absolute opposite of a Communist. In the first free elections in the GDR, she was member of the "Demokratischer Aufbruch" party, which fusioned with the East-German CDU (conservative party) before the German reunification. That clearly shows that she was opposing the GDR's Communist system by being part of the opposition in the late GDR.

And you demand that she should repent? Ridiculous, Thor, absolutely ridiculous. But it fits your Communist witch-hunt pattern you display here every day.

Breakfast in Vegas
01-29-2007, 09:50 AM
Slightly OT.... I thought Chancellor is like Prime Minister which is basically the highest. You can say the Queen is the highest, but in reality it is the PM.

What offices are higher than Chancellor?

Despite any other existing political structures, in reality the chancellor is the highest political office in Germany in terms of figurative power... Kanzler(in) Merkel is more important than either Bundespräsident Köhler or Bundestag President Lammert, both of whom most people haven't even heard of. It's hard to say who is really pulling the strings, especially with a coalition government as it is now, but Merkel is Germany's leader, nobody else.

As for the Hoff, his heyday was about 15 years ago. I'm afraid his star has long since burned out in Germany. A crying shame.

Belrick
01-29-2007, 04:39 PM
Most western politicians are communists (certainly within my coutnry they are) oh sure they embrace economic capitalism since it provides enough funds to finance there communistic social policies.

Modern liberal socialists = communists/facists. The only area they differ from the likes of Lenin and Hitler is economics and that they aren't quite as hard line and ruthless in implementing there social policies.

ps: Modern welfare involves (among other things) the taking of money from the needy to give to the unworthy.
/end of rant

Indiana Jones
01-29-2007, 05:16 PM
Belrick, where is thy tinfoil hat ? Hilarious stuff there. rofl
Oh boy.

Belrick
01-29-2007, 05:31 PM
Yes it's a conspiracy. You tell yourself that because obviously in your world (you took the blue pill didn't you?) the equal distribution/common ownership of wealth among comrades regardless of how hard one works is NOT communistic.

Glad that you came along to point that out Indiana. Two thumbs up!

alfigel
01-30-2007, 02:30 AM
Most western politicians are communists (certainly within my coutnry they are) oh sure they embrace economic capitalism since it provides enough funds to finance there communistic social policies.

Modern liberal socialists = communists/facists. The only area they differ from the likes of Lenin and Hitler is economics and that they aren't quite as hard line and ruthless in implementing there social policies.

ps: Modern welfare involves (among other things) the taking of money from the needy to give to the unworthy.
/end of rant

The only fascist here is you (emphasis added by me). And you should really get some serious political education. The world ain't black and white. Social welfare isn't "communistic".

Belrick
01-30-2007, 02:37 PM
You need to learn to read before making judgements. Then you need to learn to think on whats written.

I said modern Modern welfare involves (among other things) the taking of money from the needy to give to the unworthy.

Or are you seriously telling me that modern welfare does not involve the taxing (among other things) of the likes of broke, hard working though with a disability, lady in order to pay welfare checks to a fat lazy man cheating the system?

Read, think, post.
It's not that hard.

Mastermind
01-30-2007, 02:55 PM
Although the author raises some good points (mainly what a horrible show big brother is), this text reaks of paranoia and fear mongering. He's free to feel this way, but IMHO its over the top. His bleak 3 or 4 possible future scenarios leave out a big possibility; that things might actually be alright! I know its a crazy notion, but maybe the UK becoming more active in the EU and taking more of a leadership role in it will not percipitate do downfall of the country, god forbid, it might even be a good thing. Although I do agree that liberalism and common sense (crying about the horrors of 'racism' vs actually cracking down on Muslim extremists that are threatening the country) have now lost touch with eachother, I think this author needs to get some perspective. The UK isnt dead yet.
Two guys stranded on a rapidly melting Ice Berg drifting in the Arctic Ocean with no hope if rescue any time soon. One tells the other, by his calculation, the berg will no longer support their weight in only two days time. The other accuses the man with the intelligence to calculate such things a "feamonger" and calls him paranoid. Of course, the non-mathematical one is delusional and living in a huge state of denial and would much rather not be so well informed by his intellectual companion. The truth is truly fightening and is much better ignored for the time being. After all, the iceberg is not melted yet.

MM

alfigel
01-30-2007, 03:01 PM
You need to learn to read before making judgements. Then you need to learn to think on whats written.

Trust me, I do, otherwise, I wouldn't have emhasized that one word.


I said modern Modern welfare involves (among other things) the taking of money from the needy to give to the unworthy.

The first premise of modern welfware is: nobody is unworthy. Everybody can get into the situation of being needy, and the welfare system is there to provide a safety net to catch such cases. In practise, abuse of this system is negligible, and totally exaggerated to "deregulate" (i.e. destroy) welfare systems or to undifferentiatedly denounce those who (legitimately or illegitimately) draw money from the system.


Read, think, post.
It's not that hard.

You should better start to think and try to lay off your egoistic, inhuman attitude. Or how would like it when you are needy and some young man comes along and denounces you of "stealing from the welfare system"?

EsoognomEhT
01-30-2007, 03:03 PM
bah weep grana weep nini bong

Mastermind
01-30-2007, 03:04 PM
bah weep grana weep nini bong
x2^^^ MM:roll:

Indiana Jones
01-30-2007, 04:10 PM
You truly deserve each other.
"Der aufrechte Sozialdemokrat" vs the "Champions of liberty"...rofl
Get me the popcorn.

stoddy9311
01-30-2007, 04:32 PM
Better dead than red!

I laugh at liberal tosspots and champagne swilling socialists.

prime example are the tossers who sell the socialist worker papers. upper class students who apologies for being born rich, leave university and become a broker or lawyer.

I saw a bongo banging hippy in hyde park wearing a beret with a red star on, drinking a starbucks:), the irony hurts.



I love England, always will.l

Indiana Jones
01-30-2007, 04:41 PM
Better dead than red!

I guess thats why you got Wittmann and his mates as your avatar ? p-)

stoddy9311
01-30-2007, 04:45 PM
yep

I am sat here dressed in my full SS uniform, and jack boots, polishing my K98 and hitler youth dagger, singing panzerliedp-)

I hope your not drinking champagne there? or banging a drum

oldsoak
01-31-2007, 07:12 AM
Better dead than red!

I laugh at liberal tosspots and champagne swilling socialists.

prime example are the tossers who sell the socialist worker papers. upper class students who apologies for being born rich, leave university and become a broker or lawyer.

I saw a bongo banging hippy in hyde park wearing a beret with a red star on, drinking a starbucks:), the irony hurts.



I love England, always will.l

So do I. I also believe that the freedom to drink champagne and drink in Starbucks is not the preserve of plum bummers.

stoddy9311
02-01-2007, 01:16 PM
So do I. I also believe that the freedom to drink champagne and drink in Starbucks is not the preserve of plum bummers.


I agree, but how can someone who dresses like a communist and rant on about communism, drink coffee from a capitalist company?
It would be like a muslim eating a bacon sandwich

Mastermind
02-01-2007, 02:58 PM
yep

I am sat here dressed in my full SS uniform, and jack boots, polishing my K98 and hitler youth dagger, singing panzerliedp-)

I hope your not drinking champagne there? or banging a drum
Never polish your K98...too easy to spot the glint of shiney metal or stock through the bushes hiding your concealed sniper postionon a warm sunny day. MM

oldsoak
02-01-2007, 04:06 PM
I agree, but how can someone who dresses like a communist and rant on about communism, drink coffee from a capitalist company?
It would be like a muslim eating a bacon sandwich

I hear what you say, but thats the blessing of the UK. We have that freedom to say one thing and do another. The ones that get me are the ones who talk about the working man while doing f*ck all and with no intention of doing owt else.
In its defence, Starbucks does have "social responsibility" programs - which puts 'em streets ahead of Nescafe.