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Doublethinker
01-28-2007, 02:27 PM
Iran looks to Russia as global mediator

By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 20 minutes ago

Iran wants Russia to help mediate in the standoff with the U.N. Security Council over Tehran's nuclear program, Iranian state radio said Sunday as a ranking Russian diplomat met with top Iranian leaders.
The radio said Iran was looking to Russia for "new proposals, such as enrichment of uranium on Russian soil," and expects Russia to "take a close stance with the international community" to help Iran resolve its nuclear standoff.
The Kremlin proposed last year that Iran move its uranium enrichment work to Russian territory, where it could be better monitored to alleviate international concerns that Tehran is trying to build atomic bombs in violation of its treaty commitments.
Iranian leaders had said they were interested in the idea, but nothing came of it as oil-rich Iran insisted its nuclear project is intended only to produce radioactive fuel for reactors that would generate electricity.
No details were released about the talks held Sunday between Igor Ivanov, Russia's national security adviser, and Iran's hard-line president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the foreign minister and the top nuclear negotiator.
In a rare reception for visiting diplomats, Ivanov also met with Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
State radio also said Russia has pledged to complete the Bushehr nuclear power station on schedule this year. Russia last year agreed to ship fuel to Bushehr by this March and start up the facility in September, with electricity generation to start by November.
As a U.N. Security Council permanent member, Russia last month forced the body to water down proposed punitive measures that would have imposed curbs on the Bushehr project. But the Kremlin then supported limited sanctions against Iran over its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment.
Enrichment of uranium, using centrifuges, can produce material usable both as fuel for electricity-generating reactors and for nuclear weapons.
Ivanov's visit came as Iranian officials issued contradictory statements about progress on expanding Iranian enrichment facilities by installing 3,000 centrifuges at the Natanz nuclear facility.
Hossein Simorgh, spokesman of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization public relations department, said that "no new centrifuges have been installed in Natanz," the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported late Saturday.
The remarks appeared to contradict lawmaker Alaeddin Boroujerdi, who said earlier Saturday that Iran was currently installing the 3,000 centrifuges.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini refused to elaborate on the discrepancy, saying Sunday only that the contradicting remarks were a "technical matter" that should be left to Iran's nuclear agency organization to "elaborate ... at a convenient time."
The U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, had no comment on the Iranian statements, spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said Sunday night. IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei said recently he believed Iran planned to begin work in February on an underground facility to hold uranium enrichment equipment.
Iran faces the threat of additional Security Council sanctions unless it stops enrichment by the end of a 60-day period that ends next month.
A senior U.S. State Department official warned Iran on Friday against accelerating its atomic program.
"If Iran takes this step, it is going to confront universal international opposition," Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns said. "If they think they can get away with 3,000 centrifuges without another Security Council resolution and additional international pressure, then they are very badly mistaken."
For now, the only known assembled centrifuge operations in Iran consist of two linked chains of 164 machines each and two smaller setups.









As far as I remember, Russia offered to enrich uranium on its own soil before the conflict. Looks like Iran is quietly backing down.

GazB
01-28-2007, 08:45 PM
As far as I remember, Russia offered to enrich uranium on its own soil before the conflict. Looks like Iran is quietly backing down.

The Iranian arguement to that is that this would hand control of their electricity generation capability to a foreign power, which is something few countries really want to do.

Erik Sleivöks
01-29-2007, 02:38 AM
Lately the Iranian president have come under strong pressure from the “opposition” and even people within his own political wing, to stop this hilarious nuclear nonsense, to stop traveling to ridiculous countries with populist leaders, and to start concentrating on the more urgent domestic issues.
Even high ranking religious leaders are via the press blaming him for unnecessary provocations of the US and Israel in times when Iran needs to open up to the world and develop its trade links.
This situation is quite unusual in Iran, and to my knowledge an Iranian president (even if his real powers are limited) has never been so openly criticized by the whole political spectrum.
Also the religious supreme leader Ayatollah Khameini is seriously ill (some says he is already dead, but I doubt this) and if he dies or steps down, one could expect important changes in Iranian international politics. Time will tell.

Sergei
01-29-2007, 04:22 AM
The Iranian arguement to that is that this would hand control of their electricity generation capability to a foreign power, which is something few countries really want to do.

They really have few options left. The US is already set to strike them.

GazB
01-29-2007, 02:41 PM
They really have few options left. The US is already set to strike them.

That would be the dumbest move America has made in the last three decades.

As Erik mentions, the leader of Iran is not 100% supported at the moment. An attack by Israel or the US would provide that support and he could pretty much dictate to Iran whatever his mind comes up with. Equally Iran is in a perfect position to make trouble for the US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. The americans like to suggest they are already doing stuff and they might have a few fingers in a few pies so to speak, but if they really wanted to they could turn up both conflicts and make it impossible for the US to stay in both places and turn both countries into basket cases.

Flamming_Python
01-29-2007, 04:18 PM
That would be the dumbest move America has made in the last three decades.

As Erik mentions, the leader of Iran is not 100% supported at the moment. An attack by Israel or the US would provide that support and he could pretty much dictate to Iran whatever his mind comes up with. Equally Iran is in a perfect position to make trouble for the US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. The americans like to suggest they are already doing stuff and they might have a few fingers in a few pies so to speak, but if they really wanted to they could turn up both conflicts and make it impossible for the US to stay in both places and turn both countries into basket cases.

Likewise America could strike back and bomb the entire region off the face of the planet. It's a delicate situation you see p-)

Switek
01-29-2007, 04:27 PM
Russia as a advocate of such countries like Iran, Venezuela can only lost ...

GreySpawn
01-29-2007, 04:30 PM
Russia as a advocate of such countries like Iran, Venezuela can only lost ...
why? is it because someone marked them as "bad"?
leaders come and go.. but relatons can stay if nurtured properly..

Flamming_Python
01-29-2007, 04:31 PM
Russia as a advocate of such countries like Iran, Venezuela can only lost ...

Not if Iran's leadership starts listening to us instead of flying into Islamic temper tantrums

Switek
01-29-2007, 04:32 PM
why? is it because someone marked them as "bad"?
leaders come and go.. but relatons can stay if nurtured properly..

When you declare that you coleagueas are hooligans then you loose some credibility... That's the way te world works... ;)

Switek
01-29-2007, 04:34 PM
Not if Iran's leadership starts listening to us instead of flying into Islamic temper tantrums

Have you ever heard about export of Islamic Revolution to Soviet Union (southern Republics) in 1979-1981? They listen only themselves.

perdurabo
01-29-2007, 04:35 PM
why? is it because someone marked them as "bad"?
leaders come and go.. but relatons can stay if nurtured properly..
If you want to be friend with USA you cant be friend with countries unfriendly towards them, because US will use you as bogeyman to bring its european allies togheter.
Check Venezuela thread, you wan't to be bogeyman, fine you will be one.

GreySpawn
01-29-2007, 04:37 PM
If you want to be friend with USA you cant be friend with countries unfriendly towards them, because US will use you as bogeyman to bring its european allies togheter.
Check Venezuela thread, you wan't to be bogeyman, fine you will be one.
well, and you described a way in wich normal country will be demonized without any substantial ground..

GazB
01-30-2007, 05:59 AM
Check Venezuela thread, you wan't to be bogeyman, fine you will be one.

If the Russians jumped through every hoop the US wanted and sold their souls to make US happy there'd still be some redneck congressman that just doesn't like Russians, doesn't matter that he has never actually met one, that will veto anything nice the Russians might get in return from that one sided relationship.

My advice would be do what america does. Look after your own interests and appear in public to be sticking to the rules. The US is a fickle friend that can turn on you overnight. If aliens invaded and the Russians had the only weapons that could kill them then there might be a chance of real friendship but otherwise you need to wait till the cold war generation are dead and buried before anything like friendship is on the table.