Segregating Bathrooms in the Name of Muslim Tolerance Down Under

[Zoomie]

Row over washrooms


Mary Papadakis
January 28, 2007 12:00am
Article from: Sunday Herald Sun

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A ROW has erupted over Muslim-only washrooms at La Trobe University that can be accessed only with a secret push-button code.
Muslim students have exclusive access to male and female washrooms on campus, sparking claims of bias and discrimination.

The university and Islamic leaders have defended the washrooms as vital to Muslim students' prayer rituals.

A university student, who did not want to be identified, raised the issue with the Sunday Herald Sun this week.

Australian Family Council spokesman Bill Muehlenberg said concerns over the exclusive facilities were valid.

"Do we have a Christian washroom or an atheist washroom?" he said. "The whole thing is madness."

Mr Muehlenberg said the separate facilities were divisive.

"If Muslims are saying 'we are good Australians and want to integrate', why are they insisting on separate washrooms?" he said.

Victorian Muslim community leader Yasser Soliman said the washrooms were necessary.

He said the separate facilities were also due to concerns from non-Muslim students.

"Muslims need to wash their feet before prayer and in the past there have been complaints about them washing their feet in sinks, so this is a happy medium," he said.

Mr Soliman said most universities provided Muslim-only prayer and washrooms for students.

A La Trobe University spokesman said the washrooms were established with the advice of senior Muslim religious leaders.

He said the university also had a Christian chapel with a meeting room and four chaplains from major denominations had offices.

La Trobe University Christian Union vice-president Richard Thamm backed the washrooms.

"It's part of their religion, they need to wash in a special way before they pray," he said.

[url=http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21129518-2862,00.html]Source (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21129518-2862,00.html#)
Good to see that the Aussies are keeping up with the Brits in bending over backwords for Muslims. p-)
I wonder what would happen if I requested a Muslim-Free bathroom?

[annihilation]

Is it just me or is there way to many "demands" in the muslim religion. All religions have there crap that you have to do (god knows I did some of them) but still it just seems to me they have a bit more "demands" than the rest of the religions.

Either way having a seperate bathroom for such a thing is a big mistake. Might as well put a sign up at the nearest water fountain saying "muslims only, christians drink from the hose"

[fantomas]

Might as well put a sign up at the nearest water fountain saying "muslims only, christians drink from the hose"


thats the idea. christians are considred 'kuffars' by muslims historically, and have to pay jazia tax if living under an islamic rule. Its just amazing that this kind of backward 10th century thinking hasnt changed much throughout all these years

[Hollis]

Either way having a seperate bathroom for such a thing is a big mistake. Might as well put a sign up at the nearest water fountain saying "muslims only, christians drink from the hose"

The scary part, that may be a matter of time before that happens. Some how it seems the world slipped over 500 years backwards in time.

[Bia]

We can post our complaints until the sun burns out... matters little.

People are allowing this behavior.... so it will get worse.

I wonder how bad it will get before people wake up and stand up.

[Jobu]

Is this a joke from The Onion?

[equilibrium37]

but the thing is .. "other students had complaints because the muslims washed their feets on the sink". i think they should of just made some separate "feet washing sink" (LOL) available on the existing washrooms so that there would be just one for all washroom.

[Cedan]

thats strange, they could just set up a sink in a corner meant for washing feets etc (if the infidels are complaining about feet washing in regular sinks), that has been done at some companies here that employ a majority of muslim workers, nobody seems to mind...

[equilibrium37]

Lolll !!!!

[kosse]

A common sense solution would be to add some foot washing sinks or whatever they use to do it in to NORMAL washrooms.

I am at a loss of what is this madness spreading through so many western countries? How can it be so hard to end up with a sensible solution but instead invent crap like this.

[Moledet]

I don't get it, they are allowed to wash their feet with sand, there's lots of sand in Australia, so why do they have to use the sink?

[Bootneck]

When they build the Muslim-Only lane on the 405 Freeway maybe I'll think about converting.

[annihilation]

A common sense solution would be to add some foot washing sinks or whatever they use to do it in to NORMAL washrooms.

I am at a loss of what is this madness spreading through so many western countries? How can it be so hard to end up with a sensible solution but instead invent crap like this.

You said common sense, common sense is dead to this world. Its as abstract as the methology of the romans and greeks.

[equilibrium37]

I don't get it, they are allowed to wash their feet with sand, there's lots of sand in Australia, so why do they have to use the sink?

their allowed to do so according to old rituals. Because back then u cant just use ur water to wash their feet in the mid of the desert. So it was allowed to wash ur feet with sand if theres no water.

[Doublethinker]

Muslim faith demands that they always sit in the front. All christians move to the back of the bus.

[equilibrium37]

Muslim faith demands that they always sit in the front. All christians move to the back of the bus.

now thats just bollocks .. isnt true mate. :bash:

[dacanadianbomb]

but the thing is .. "other students had complaints because the muslims washed their feets on the sink". i think they should of just made some separate "feet washing sink" (LOL) available on the existing washrooms so that there would be just one for all washroom.

Exactly, that would have solved the problem right there.
And why are the toilets for them key code restricted then ??

[equilibrium37]

how come i dont hear these complaints here in Toronto..? There are alot of muslims here .. i saw one cleaning his feet at the airport washoom once .. noone complained.

[Moledet]

how come i dont hear these complaints here in Toronto..? There are alot of muslims here .. i saw one cleaning his feet at the airport washoom once .. noone complained.
You feel like dying? So complain (that's what most westerners think).

[equilibrium37]

true true .. but there were no terrorist attacks in aussie.

[Cedan]

Exactly, that would have solved the problem right there.
And why are the toilets for them key code restricted then ??

they don't want kuffar soiling the place with unholy body fluids! :bash:

[sferrin]

You said common sense, common sense is dead to this world. Its as abstract as the methology of the romans and greeks.

Common sense left when PC came it.

[Doublethinker]

now thats just bollocks .. isnt true mate. :bash:

Are you familiar with the concept of "metaphore"?

What I was getting it is that the situation is beginning to look very much like that of a certain Rosa Parks.

[Doublethinker]

how come i dont hear these complaints here in Toronto..? There are alot of muslims here .. i saw one cleaning his feet at the airport washoom once .. noone complained.

Disgusting. They are meant for washing your HANDS, not your FEET. I don't want to touch a sink which some muslim stick his feet into after a day of walking.

[equilibrium37]

Disgusting. They are meant for washing your HANDS, not your FEET. I don't want to touch a sink which some muslim stick his feet into after a day of walking.

Yep thats why there should be a separate sink just to wash ur feet etc. somewhere on the corner.

[WARPIG]

Are you familiar with the concept of "metaphore"?

What I was getting it is that the situation is beginning to look very much like that of a certain Rosa Parks.

Horrible comparison. There is no similarity at all. Nice try with the backpedalling though.


I understand the "discrimmination" arguement. It really should stand up. But, in the name of political correctness, it likely won't go anywhere.

[Jobu]

Yep thats why there should be a separate sink just to wash ur feet etc. somewhere on the corner.

Drunk idiots would pee in it. Then Muslims would basically be washing their feet in a urinal.

[equilibrium37]

Drunk idiots would pee in it. Then Muslims would basically be washing their feet in a urinal.

And get smacked by the security id must say ? Not because its for the muslims, but i think if u see someone peeing on a sink, wouldnt u smack him ? LOL rofl

[Jobu]

And get smacked by the security id must say ? Not because its for the muslims, but i think if u see someone peeing on a sink, wouldnt u smack him ? LOL rofl

Ask badkarma26.

[equilibrium37]

what would he say? lol

[el borracho]

When I was studying Arabic at DLI, during bathroom breaks you could usually find an instructor in the handicapped stall doing the washing routine. I don't know the in's and out's of what the pre-prayer cleansing consists of, but sometimes there would be a line of instructors forming in front of the locked stall waiting for their turn to wash. I guess they used the stall because they knew that washing their feet in a sink would be offensive to us. I admit that their custom was a little bizarre when I first saw it, but we understood they gotta do what they gotta do and respected that. Never once did I hear any of them complain about lack of adequate facilities, or did I hear any of the military students or personnel mocking them for their customs. The point is: you can still have compromise without having to sacrifice or bend over backwards to accomodate the other group.

[theholeinthedonut]

When I was studying Arabic at DLI, during bathroom breaks you could usually find an instructor in the handicapped stall doing the washing routine. I don't know the in's and out's of what the pre-prayer cleansing consists of, but sometimes there would be a line of instructors forming in front of the locked stall waiting for their turn to wash. I guess they used the stall because they knew that washing their feet in a sink would be offensive to us. I admit that their custom was a little bizarre when I first saw it, but we understood they gotta do what they gotta do and respected that. Never once did I hear any of them complain about lack of adequate facilities, or did I hear any of the military students or personnel mocking them for their customs. The point is: you can still have compromise without having to sacrifice or bend over backwards to accomodate the other group.

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There's nothing to add to this post.

[Zorro C9]

At Vic Uni here in Welly, there's a seperate prayer room for Muslim students that was converted out of a disused room.

The great thing about it is that the Muslim students welcome anybody to go pray there, regardless of faith.

[Mastermind]

At Vic Uni here in Welly, there's a seperate prayer room for Muslim students that was converted out of a disused room.

The great thing about it is that the Muslim students welcome anybody to go pray there, regardless of faith.

Ohhhh...(sigh) the Muslims are so inclusive and kind.

One has to wonder where their "Infidel-head-sawing-off" room is.MM

[Thor]

Row over washrooms


Mary Papadakis
January 28, 2007 12:00am
Article from: Sunday Herald Sun



A ROW has erupted over Muslim-only washrooms at La Trobe University that can be accessed only with a secret push-button code.
Muslim students have exclusive access to male and female washrooms on campus, sparking claims of bias and discrimination.

The university and Islamic leaders have defended the washrooms as vital to Muslim students' prayer rituals.

A university student, who did not want to be identified, raised the issue with the Sunday Herald Sun this week.

Australian Family Council spokesman Bill Muehlenberg said concerns over the exclusive facilities were valid.

"Do we have a Christian washroom or an atheist washroom?" he said. "The whole thing is madness."

Mr Muehlenberg said the separate facilities were divisive.

"If Muslims are saying 'we are good Australians and want to integrate', why are they insisting on separate washrooms?" he said.

Victorian Muslim community leader Yasser Soliman said the washrooms were necessary.

He said the separate facilities were also due to concerns from non-Muslim students.

"Muslims need to wash their feet before prayer and in the past there have been complaints about them washing their feet in sinks, so this is a happy medium," he said.

Mr Soliman said most universities provided Muslim-only prayer and washrooms for students.

A La Trobe University spokesman said the washrooms were established with the advice of senior Muslim religious leaders.

He said the university also had a Christian chapel with a meeting room and four chaplains from major denominations had offices.

La Trobe University Christian Union vice-president Richard Thamm backed the washrooms.

"It's part of their religion, they need to wash in a special way before they pray," he said.

Source (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21129518-2862,00.html)
Good to see that the Aussies are keeping up with the Brits in bending over backwords for Muslims. p-)
I wonder what would happen if I requested a Muslim-Free bathroom?
Why is this world so ****ed up??

Totally outrageous.

[Vorian]

I find this Muslim mania that has taken over Britain disturbing at least......:(

[equilibrium37]

more tax payers money are wasted when they could of just done what el borracho's school has done.

[Zorro C9]

Ohhhh...(sigh) the Muslims are so inclusive and kind.

One has to wonder where their "Infidel-head-sawing-off" room is.MM

I'm grappeling with the tone of your post but I can't quite pin it down. Care to enlighten me?

[Mastermind]

It just seems very ironic that on the one hand, the Muslims are painted as so tolerant and inclusive of other faiths and yet, they seem quite proud to saw off people's heads on Al Jazeera TV....Yes, how can I let a few bad apples spoil the barrelf full...but, I just have always been appalled at the abject cruelty the modern Muslims have shown with all their eye-gouging, Sharia "Honor" killings and limb amputations and see no one in the "Wonderfully enlightened" Muslim community coming out and condemning such behavior...it makes me think, if they don't object, then they must condone...Like them stoning little girls on Aussie beaches because the sun bathing children are not wearing burkas..and thus are elegible for gang rape and death for insulting their magnificent god Allah with their lewd and disgusting bodies.

I just believe Islam has such a long, long way to go before it can live down it's lunatic, murderous, cruel behavior.

MM

[LRPV]

When I was studying Arabic at DLI, during bathroom breaks you could usually find an instructor in the handicapped stall doing the washing routine. I don't know the in's and out's of what the pre-prayer cleansing consists of, but sometimes there would be a line of instructors forming in front of the locked stall waiting for their turn to wash. I guess they used the stall because they knew that washing their feet in a sink would be offensive to us. I admit that their custom was a little bizarre when I first saw it, but we understood they gotta do what they gotta do and respected that. Never once did I hear any of them complain about lack of adequate facilities, or did I hear any of the military students or personnel mocking them for their customs. The point is: you can still have compromise without having to sacrifice or bend over backwards to accomodate the other group.

Quite so. Unfortunately this flirting with every islamic whim will continue until militant islam crosses the threshold of public opinion. The academics that approved these special ablution facilities are behind the times. The political tide is turning against these windbag islamophiles, albeit too slowly for my redneck tastes. If there should be a successful islamic terror attack in Australia, I believe that would be the last straw for the silent majority.

[WARPIG]

It just seems very ironic that on the one hand, the Muslims are painted as so tolerant and inclusive of other faiths and yet, they seem quite proud to saw off people's heads on Al Jazeera TV....Yes, how can I let a few bad apples spoil the barrelf full...but, I just have always been appalled at the abject cruelty the modern Muslims have shown with all their eye-gouging, Sharia "Honor" killings and limb amputations and see no one in the "Wonderfully enlightened" Muslim community coming out and condemning such behavior...it makes me think, if they don't object, then they must condone...Like them stoning little girls on Aussie beaches because the sun bathing children are not wearing burkas..and thus are elegible for gang rape and death for insulting their magnificent god Allah with their lewd and disgusting bodies.

I just believe Islam has such a long, long way to go before it can live down it's lunatic, murderous, cruel behavior.

MM


Still need to check the attitude MM. I don't expect you to reference politically correct responses. But, you know what my zero tolerance rule on Religion bashing is. Criticize and state your point. Give your opinion and debate. Keep the insulting tone down to your best ability.

[makavelli]

their allowed to do so according to old rituals. Because back then u cant just use ur water to wash their feet in the mid of the desert. So it was allowed to wash ur feet with sand if theres no water.

yep, and were on water crisis now..:D
water restriction applies
:bash:

[rolls]

Thats almost as bad as centrelink still having 2 lines, for whites and blacks.

But at the end of the day... who really cares?

[sferrin]

I'm grappeling with the tone of your post but I can't quite pin it down. Care to enlighten me?

Is it really that tough to figure out?

[rolls]

The political tide is turning against these windbag islamophiles, albeit too slowly for my redneck tastes. If there should be a successful islamic terror attack in Australia, I believe that would be the last straw for the silent majority.


IT might sound bad for me to say this.... but the sooner the better :(

Thank god i live in North Queensland look at all the trouble you guys get yourselves into down in them there southern states :) lol

[equilibrium37]

yep, and were on water crisis now..:D
water restriction applies
:bash:

its just like saying that were not allowed to take showers.

[sferrin]

I believe that would be the last straw for the silent majority.

But what to do when the silent majority has become the silent minority? Hopefully the EU will wake up before they have to find out.

[camerashy]

So how about them mormons... was that Joseph Smith schizophrenic or what?

[Zorro C9]

Is it really that tough to figure out?

Well, yeah. I wasn't sure if he was being sarcastic or trying to be ironic, but then, considering he's American I would highly doubt the latter.

[Zorro C9]

It just seems very ironic that on the one hand, the Muslims are painted as so tolerant and inclusive of other faiths and yet, they seem quite proud to saw off people's heads on Al Jazeera TV....Yes, how can I let a few bad apples spoil the barrelf full...but, I just have always been appalled at the abject cruelty the modern Muslims have shown with all their eye-gouging, Sharia "Honor" killings and limb amputations and see no one in the "Wonderfully enlightened" Muslim community coming out and condemning such behavior...it makes me think, if they don't object, then they must condone...Like them stoning little girls on Aussie beaches because the sun bathing children are not wearing burkas..and thus are elegible for gang rape and death for insulting their magnificent god Allah with their lewd and disgusting bodies.

I just believe Islam has such a long, long way to go before it can live down it's lunatic, murderous, cruel behavior.

MM


Oh bollocks. We could do tit for tat doing the same thing with most other religions around the world.

The simple fact is, most Muslims don't tolerate it, but you tell me how they can tolerate it when they don't know anything about what's going on.

[LRPV]

But what to do when the silent majority has become the silent minority? Hopefully the EU will wake up before they have to find out.

I live in Australia, at least for this year. I can't speak for western Europe but here both mainstream parties are slowly moving away from the PC menace and both recognise that the public are increasingly unhappy with this apparent kow-towing to immigrant demands.

For the record...I am not anti-islamic per se, but I am very disgruntled with militant/extremists of any religion and I am generally pissed off with good old Aussie apathy towards the threat presented by these clowns. I have lived in a country that sufferes terrorism and I really enjoy the Australian way of life.

[Schizo]

...and I really enjoy the Australian way of life. And yet you have Tel-Aviv's Tayelet as your avatar. I kid, I kid, carry on :)

[Lazuris]

I was in NZ about a week ago and what surprised me was one of the main stories on the TV was regarding an Australian Muslim cleric basically saying that “Muslims are more deserving of Australia than a bunch of convicts”, that’s from memory. What was the fallout from that comment?

[sferrin]

So how about them mormons... was that Joseph Smith schizophrenic or what?

So....you going to be buying a Cadillac soon or can you only afford a Pontiac? Hey and don't forget the fifth wheel on the trunk and whitewalls.

[SrB-23Q]

this is so stupid...next they will ask for a muslims only University to be built in Australia :roll: :roll:

[darth massacre]

The only thing I can say here is - when in Rome, do as Romans do.

Its something that I believe in - if you're not prepared to give up certain things in your life when you migrate then don't bother doing it.

I was watching some Islamic religious talk show last week - I just wanted to see what the imams are saying over TV - what I heard wasn't too far removed from what's being posted here already. They said its alright to move to a new country in search of better legal system, better health benefits and so on, but its still alright to follow your faith and so on. Nothing was said about blending in, compromising, or taking other people into consideration when making cultural decisions.

Now this isn't constrained totally to the Muslims - there are enough places here in Toronto that are "racially occupied". Brampton for example is where south asian immigrants usually move to. Markham/Scarborough is where most chinese stick around. Mississauga has a good mix of minorities and Oakville where I'm at is predominantly white/christian. People have the tendency to flock together and its natural. My roommate who is from china once said he'd only stick around to "our" places - and I had to correct him, every place here is canadian first and should be canadian first. That shut him up for a fair bit.

Personally, while I feel its not the right thing to do, the subliminal reinforcement of national pride, patriotism and oath under flag is very useful in an immigrant nation.

Singapore has been doing it for years - I still remember my national anthem and pledge even though I pretend not to - the 10 years of constant bombardment left its mark in my brain. Every TV program we see have some nationalistic messages that gets ingrained in the mind. Its not healthy - but it serves the purpose. I've seen immigrants who wanted to renounce their citizenship but their children growing up under the spell refused to move. That coupled with military service for males just strengthens it even more. When I talk to my classmates about military service, most of them seem to agree that its beneficial even though most of them feel its too hard.

Anyway - I really like Australia during my visits and I'd love to see the Australian way of life preserved as completely as possible.

[simpleidea]

Great point about abiding by the rules/traditions of the nation you live in...

By admission, the radical Islamists have made it clear that they basically want to take over the world. Whoever isn't on board will die, including those who don't want the opposite *** in their bathroom

What a load of crap, I can't believe that the Brits are rolling over like this...

At this rate, their strategy of terror is working...everyone is freaking scared

[WARPIG]

Great point about abiding by the rules/traditions of the nation you live in...

By admission, the radical Islamists have made it clear that they basically want to take over the world. Whoever isn't on board will die, including those who don't want the opposite *** in their bathroom

What a load of crap, I can't believe that the Brits are rolling over like this...

At this rate, their strategy of terror is working...everyone is freaking scared



Actually, terrorism isn't doing much in the way of "taking over the world." Terrorism is their recruiting too. Political Correctness is the most powerful weapon that Islam has right now. Putting that weapon in Western cultures' liberal thinkers is doing the most damage.

[helomech]

Is it just me or is there way to many "demands" in the muslim religion. All religions have there crap that you have to do (god knows I did some of them) but still it just seems to me they have a bit more "demands" than the rest of the religions.

Either way having a seperate bathroom for such a thing is a big mistake. Might as well put a sign up at the nearest water fountain saying "muslims only, christians drink from the hose"

It seems like there ARE more demands from the muslim sect every week:separate shi_tters,facing away from Mekka;shi_t's getting out of control,the majority are losing their voice.........

[DeadMeatXM2]

shi_t's getting out of control,the majority are losing their voice.........

I'll agree that its getting out of control, but I dont think the majority is losing their voice. I think the majority is too apathetic to USE their voice.

Eventually something will happen that will be the straw that breaks the camels back, so to speak, and the majority will speak/act out against it. That day will not be a pretty one, I should imagine...

[Zorro C9]

I was in NZ about a week ago and what surprised me was one of the main stories on the TV was regarding an Australian Muslim cleric basically saying that “Muslims are more deserving of Australia than a bunch of convicts”, that’s from memory. What was the fallout from that comment?


Eh? Which channel was this on? Usually most of our Australian stories are picked up from the Aussie TV stations...

[Freedom-Fries]

Eh? Which channel was this on? Usually most of our Australian stories are picked up from the Aussie TV stations...

It may have been that retarded radical 'Din al-Hilali', he comes up with a new hate speech every week and says all kinds of sh*t. I think Howard was trying to get him deported.

[Calanen]

Sheik Hilali said that Muslims were more deserving of Australia because our ancestors had come here as convicts, whereas they were free settlers.

My ancestor was a sergeant in her majesty's marines. He married a convict, but, hell there weren't exactly a lot of women to choose from. This comment just demonstrates the contempt he and his supporters (which are legion, he is like the Cardinal for Australia for muslims, to use a catholic anology) feel for white Australians. Our ancestors made this exceptionally harsh land into a very good country to live in. We defended it against the Japanese. Our political and legal systems mean that there is comparatively little disorder here, and what disorder there is, is caused by radical islam.

The fallout from this was not huge I guess, but certainly people just thought the man's a tool. He's also the same guy who tried to justify the rape of western women in Australia because they were uncovered meat, and you cant blame a cat for eating uncovered meat, its the meats fault.

Regrettably, he is a citizen because the Labor Party believed that having him here would improve election chances in some key seats way back when. So he can't be deported.

There is a point when the general population just snaps. It is very near that point now. I think the New South Wales state election may see some anger spill over, because a number of islamic candidates are running for parliament in predominantly Islamic areas. One of them is an ex-Gitmo inmate.

[Zorro C9]

Oh I just clicked. I thought the poster was saying the TV news people were saying that.

[Kant]

I honestly have no problem with it. If they want to have special washrooms so they can practise abolutions, that's fine. It would be a bit offensive if they had to wash in a normal foul smelling washroom.

[alfigel]

You guys don't get it, do you? Everybody has the right to freely exercise ones religion, and washing ones hands and feet is part of the Muslim religous preparations for praying.

These separate washrooms are there for a cause. As someone in this thread already mentioned, if they were to use washing facilities that are not separate, Muslims would very like get harrassed or otherwise hassled, e.g. such a special "feet washing sink" would most likely get pissed at by some drunk anti-Islamic fanatics.

Or how would like it, as Christians, when the stoup would be publicly accessible, and that in a society with partially anti-Christian tendencies?

[Kant]

You guys don't get it, do you? Everybody has the right to freely exercise ones religion, and washing ones hands and feet is part of the Muslim religous preparations for praying.

These separate washrooms are there for a cause. As someone in this thread already mentioned, if they were to use washing facilities that are not separate, Muslims would very like get harrassed or otherwise hassled, e.g. such a special "feet washing sink" would most likely get pissed at by some drunk anti-Islamic fanatics.

Or how would like it, as Christians, when the stoup would be publicly accessible, and that in a society with partially anti-Christian tendencies?

Ah mate, look at the post above yours.

[alfigel]

Ah mate, look at the post above yours.

Kant, you're the exception in this thread. ;-) Otherwise, I've mostly seen torrents of hatred against Muslims, lacking any sanity.

[darth massacre]

alfigel - think of it this way. You've been living in a big house for ages, its got great facilities, bathrooms, toilets, great rooms, fantastic view of the sea and so on. You open your house to others. People start streaming in and live with you to use the great facilities - for a time everyone was happy.

Until some idiot comes in and says, I love your house, your bathrooms, the huge bedrooms, the view - but I want to live my way, EVERYWHERE, and not just in my own huge room. Thanks for your bathrooms, beds, nice view, but screw your house rules. I want to walk naked everywhere I go, I want to piss everywhere I please and I would take everything you have to offer without thinking about giving back.


Its fair if you do whatever you want to do in your own huge room. Its courteous to think about your next room neighbour when you want to observe your cultural festivities - but is it fair to everyone else when this idiot comes in kicking and crying and demanding to do things his way while everyone else pretty much respects each other's space?

Everything cuts both ways.

[digrar]

It's a bath room with a foot cleaning facility, next to a prayer room. Apart from the coded lock on the door, I don't really have a problem with it. It's like putting a ramp next to a set of stairs for a disabled student.

[Kant]

alfigel - think of it this way. You've been living in a big house for ages, its got great facilities, bathrooms, toilets, great rooms, fantastic view of the sea and so on. You open your house to others. People start streaming in and live with you to use the great facilities - for a time everyone was happy.

Until some idiot comes in and says, I love your house, your bathrooms, the huge bedrooms, the view - but I want to live my way, EVERYWHERE, and not just in my own huge room. Thanks for your bathrooms, beds, nice view, but screw your house rules. I want to walk naked everywhere I go, I want to piss everywhere I please and I would take everything you have to offer without thinking about giving back.


Its fair if you do whatever you want to do in your own huge room. Its courteous to think about your next room neighbour when you want to observe your cultural festivities - but is it fair to everyone else when this idiot comes in kicking and crying and demanding to do things his way while everyone else pretty much respects each other's space?

Everything cuts both ways.

Not quite, and a bad anaolgy.
It's more akin to, "I love your house. Do you mind if I build a seperate room, beside the prayer room, so I don't offend anyone by washing my feet in the sink?"

[Hollis]

Helping someone is one thing, having them demand help is another. We all need to live together there is nothing wrong with reasonable accomodation. I think what adds to the fuel is the extremist make statements that offend many people and causes a reaction to the "group" as a whole.

Calling women meat on a plate (or something like that) does not help either. Is this another brick in the wall or reasonable accomodation?

[darth massacre]

Not quite, and a bad anaolgy.
It's more akin to, "I love your house. Do you mind if I build a seperate room, beside the prayer room, so I don't offend anyone by washing my feet in the sink?"
Its not a bad analogy. Because if the house owner allows one party even to build a seperate room for their own private purposes then everyone would be allowed to do so - and the house loses its identity and value. Which is what's happening here. If you move into someone's house upon invitation because its got everything you want, then why would you alter it?

[Kant]

Its not a bad analogy. Because if the house owner allows one party even to build a seperate room for their own private purposes then everyone would be allowed to do so - and the house loses its identity and value. Which is what's happening here. If you move into someone's house upon invitation because its got everything you want, then why would you alter it?

Australia is not a house. We have always respected peoples beliefs and differences, because we are a nation founded on the back of those escaping oppression. We let Jews have seperate butchers so the meat that they buy can be kosher. We let Churches and charities receive tax breaks.

It's a seperate room, next to a prayer room. The lock is a security feature.
It's been blown way out of proportion, and is guilt by association. Just because there are some nutter Muslims out there, doesn't mean that these people shouldn't be allowed to have their own room. My Rugby club has a set of showers for use of Rugby players only.I don't see that being written up in the newspaper.

[alfigel]

Its not a bad analogy. Because if the house owner allows one party even to build a seperate room for their own private purposes then everyone would be allowed to do so - and the house loses its identity and value. Which is what's happening here. If you move into someone's house upon invitation because its got everything you want, then why would you alter it?

To stick with your analogy: the property management decided that everyone is allowed to freely exercise ones religion, and now some of the tenants complain because another tenant does so, even though it's perfectly legal according to the rules of the house.

[Calanen]

Australia is not a house. We have always respected peoples beliefs and differences, because we are a nation founded on the back of those escaping oppression. We let Jews have seperate butchers so the meat that they buy can be kosher. We let Churches and charities receive tax breaks.

It's a seperate room, next to a prayer room. The lock is a security feature.
It's been blown way out of proportion, and is guilt by association. Just because there are some nutter Muslims out there, doesn't mean that these people shouldn't be allowed to have their own room. My Rugby club has a set of showers for use of Rugby players only.I don't see that being written up in the newspaper.

I don't care what they have as long as I don't have to pay for it. If Muslims want separate bath rooms, then they can buy separate bathrooms or pay for them to be put in. Not with taxpayer money.
Go and wash your feet in the garden with the hose.

[Opening Batsman]

Australia is not a house. We have always respected peoples beliefs and differences, because we are a nation founded on the back of those escaping oppression. We let Jews have seperate butchers so the meat that they buy can be kosher. We let Churches and charities receive tax breaks.


I'm tempted to make another movie intro.

[hughdotoh]

THey can have all the special washrooms they want, even if it means they have to piss in some special way. But they had better not call for shari'a rules.

BTW, are wallabies halal?

[digrar]

Depends how you kill them.

[Zorro C9]

THey can have all the special washrooms they want, even if it means they have to piss in some special way. But they had better not call for shari'a rules.

BTW, are wallabies halal?


It's ironic you mention Sharia but then profess to not know what Halal is.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I for one dislike all these silly religious quirks including the stringing up of stupid f**king wires around a North London neighbourhood so that a minority may do normal daily chores on their holy day without being in breach of their stupid religious protocols.

:bash:

[alfigel]

I for one dislike all these silly religious quirks including the stringing up of stupid f**king wires around a North London neighbourhood so that a minority may do normal daily chores on their holy day without being in breach of their stupid religious protocols.

:bash:

So how exactly does the eruv in Golders Green et al affect your daily life? If it doesn't, why bother at all?

[MitchG]

ok lets just say for example all religions were as demanding as Muslims like with washing there feet etc.

Would we have wash rooms for Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and Jews? It would be a mess accommodating all these facilities on a school campus, air ports, and shopping centers etc.

This is bulls**t they should go home & do it or to a local mosque.

[Zorro C9]

This is at a Uni, a privately run centre. If it were at a public/state secondary or primary school, you might have a point.

All the other places you've listed are privately run, also. It's up to them what they want to do with their space.

[NuclearHead]

Funny thing is, had this been the other way around like "Christian only bathroon" the press would have been the case immediately and there would have been mass protests lie there usually are when muslims get their feelings hurt.

[alfigel]

Funny thing is, had this been the other way around like "Christian only bathroon" the press would have been the case immediately and there would have been mass protests lie there usually are when muslims get their feelings hurt.

Christian religions don't have such requirements as Islam. So the analogy is ridiculous. In fact, there are many Christian facilities virtually everywhere, e.g. many hospitals have little chapels, and nobody is offended by that.

[MitchG]

Christian religions don't have such requirements as Islam. So the analogy is ridiculous. In fact, there are many Christian facilities virtually everywhere, e.g. many hospitals have little chapels, and nobody is offended by that.


We are talking about a majority Christian country here of coure no one will complain or be offended by a chaple in a hospital...but if we went over there & asked for a chaple in there schools or where ever it just wouldn't happen.

we bascily just give in to all there demands cause if we dont they will have a big fkn cry about it..

[alfigel]

We are talking about a majority Christian country here of coure no one will complain or be offended by a chaple in a hospital...but if we went over there & asked for a chaple in there schools or where ever it just wouldn't happen.

we bascily just give in to all there demands cause if we dont they will have a big fkn cry about it..

You still don't understand what it means when everyone is free to exercise ones beliefs, do you? It means _everyone_, not "every Christian" or "every white man" or "everyone but Muslims".

[Zorro C9]

We are talking about a majority Christian country here of coure no one will complain or be offended by a chaple in a hospital...but if we went over there & asked for a chaple in there schools or where ever it just wouldn't happen.

we bascily just give in to all there demands cause if we dont they will have a big fkn cry about it..

You don't understand the religion or the difference between public and private sector, do you?

[Bushranger]

Frankly im fed up with any of there bulls**t every day there is something in the paper or on the news i dont want to hear it anymore, Yer Australia is understanding & all that but hey lets just remember where we came from & how we got this great country. if they dont like how we do things its time to beat it back to where ever they came from. enough is enough.

[Calanen]

This is at a Uni, a privately run centre. If it were at a public/state secondary or primary school, you might have a point.

All the other places you've listed are privately run, also. It's up to them what they want to do with their space.

But not what they do with our money. Universities are Federally funded in Australia, massively.

[Zorro C9]

Same here, BUT they're still private institutions, free to do whatever they like with the money provided they still provide the education.

[MitchG]

You don't understand the religion or the difference between public and private sector, do you?

I understand the religion very well some of my best mates are Iranians, they are bahais but they were still born & raised in a Muslim country & I’m all for equality & the rights for people to believe in & practice which ever faith they chose.

And weather its the public or private sector it still may affect a lot of people.
Basically where are we going to draw the line..i mean in some middle eastern country’s girls & boys are segregated to different parts of beach, what if Muslims here in Australia request that? Are we going to give in & give them a Muslim only beach because they don’t wish to see uncovered flesh that deserves to be raped (as Mr sheikh al halali put it)

[Calanen]

Same here, BUT they're still private institutions, free to do whatever they like with the money provided they still provide the education.

Ok, but maybe next financial year they get the same, less cost of special Muslim toilets.

[Opening Batsman]

Just toying with semantics here, but if there is a muslim only toilet, can we make the other toilet a non-muslim toilet? Imagine the outcry. :D

[Fiber]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet
Problem solved.

[alfigel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet
Problem solved.

What will you recommend next? Saving water dispensers by telling them to drink out of the water closet? :cantbeli: