VDV with western weapons

[nagant_m44]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g127/nagant_m44/070202100343_desant_1-1.jpg
only a single pic, but i thought it was interesting.

[KillerBD]

Their probly just training and familiarizing themselves. The U.S. does the same with Russian made weapons (AK-47).

[nagant_m44]

Their probly just training and familiarizing themselves. The U.S. does the same with Russian made weapons (AK-47).

yea i know, but i thought it was interesting pic.

[stuntman]

Fantastic find! Thx..
By the way are these guys "observers" in Nam or some other Ex soviet country?

[Wiseman]

I think 16 Obr Spn talked about how he shot from an M16 back when he was in the Soviet Army. I'm sure there were weapons recovered from dead US Soldiers in Vietnam that were given to the USSR.

[Ghelp]

Very cool photo.Any more.

[Victor1]

I think 16 Obr Spn talked about how he shot from an M16 back when he was in the Soviet Army. I'm sure there were weapons recovered from dead US Soldiers in Vietnam that were given to the USSR.

Yeah, it's quite possible, I remember pictures of a Vietcong carriying a M-60.

[lightfire]

I remember seeing a pic in the book, where soviet GRU specnaz operators in Afganistan ride toyotas,have everything afganistanised or westernised equipment except the AK-74. Damn that was a good pic.

[zealot]

I think 16 Obr Spn talked about how he shot from an M16 back when he was in the Soviet Army. I'm sure there were weapons recovered from dead US Soldiers in Vietnam that were given to the USSR.

there are so many different sources where one could obtain m-16 from.. vitenam is/was just one of them.. i am not saying that you are necessarily wrong... just voicing my O

[imohammed2]

pls. help out a noob here :oops:

-i gather from ur posts VNV would normally use russian equipment, but who are the VNV?

tried googling it, got this:
Vegetarian Network Victoria (http://www.vnv.org.au/)



pls. and thx.

EDIT: those guys sure as hell didnt look oriental, so had to rule out anything vietnamese with the Vs

[Xaito]

its russian VDV not VNV - Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska (airborne troops)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDV

[nagant_m44]

pls. help out a noob here :oops:

-i gather from ur posts VNV would normally use russian equipment, but who are the VNV?

tried googling it, got this:
Vegetarian Network Victoria (http://www.vnv.org.au/)



pls. and thx.

EDIT: those guys sure as hell didnt look oriental, so had to rule out anything vietnamese with the Vs

where did you get VNV from?

[imohammed2]

its russian VDV not VNV - Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska (airborne troops)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDV


i see...
thx!

[imohammed2]

where did you get VNV from?

no wonder :cantbeli:

[YANKEEBOBB]

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha......... rofl rofl

Simple mistake!

Sh*t happens, but imagine what he thought?

"VNV? Russian paratroop vegitarians?" "WTF?"

:) No prob dude, all's cool!!:)

[AT-T]

pls. help out a noob here :oops:

-i gather from ur posts VNV would normally use russian equipment, but who are the VNV?

tried googling it, got this:
Vegetarian Network Victoria (http://www.vnv.org.au/)



pls. and thx.

EDIT: those guys sure as hell didnt look oriental, so had to rule out anything vietnamese with the Vs

VNV are Venezuelan National Vanguards . Since Chavez they have both western and russian equipment.:-D

[imohammed2]

VNV are Venezuelan National Vanguards . Since Chavez they have both western and russian equipment.:-D

yeah, talk about co-incidence!....VNV and VDV using both soviet and western weapons....guess that kindof legitimizes my use of VNV woot j/k

[GazB]

I'm sure there were weapons recovered from dead US Soldiers in Vietnam that were given to the USSR.

Actually, they got rather more from warehouses in south vietnam after the US forces withdrew. There was all sorts of stuff, including Huey helicopters and cessna jets, and of course lots and lots of rifles and other items of military equipment.

[TR1]

Actually, they got rather more from warehouses in south vietnam after the US forces withdrew. There was all sorts of stuff, including Huey helicopters and cessna jets, and of course lots and lots of rifles and other items of military equipment.
yeah i was about to comment on that....a lot of the equipment probably came from ARVN personelle and stocks.

[Eddy_Bee]

I remember seeing a pic of a Russian soldier using an L96. It wasn't for training either. Can't remember for the life of me where i saw it though.

& yes i'm 100% certain it wasn't an SV-98.

[GazB]

I remember seeing a pic of a Russian soldier using an L96. It wasn't for training either. Can't remember for the life of me where i saw it though.

& yes i'm 100% certain it wasn't an SV-98.

Heard someone mention that before... regarding Beslan. Never saw the photos so I couldn't verify whether it was true or not. For all we know the "russian soldier" could have actually been Georgian or from the baltic republics who use western weapons anyway... ie misidentified as being Russian.

[Count Lippe]

what would the baltic countries have to do with Beslan?

[FW200]

http://dimapics.com/pics/834.jpg
http://dimapics.com/pics/841.jpg

[nick_ua]

http://photo.rol.ru/data/18217/68Foto_31-med.jpg

[lightfire]

what would the baltic countries have to do with Beslan?

I gues he just have some unhealty hatred to those countries,ready to mention when some sh*t happens..

[redfox0035]

what would the baltic countries have to do with Beslan?

If you mean GazB's post, then n-o-t-h-i-n-g:

Heard someone mention that before... regarding Beslan. Never saw the photos so I couldn't verify whether it was true or not. For all we know the "russian soldier" could have actually been Georgian or from the baltic republics who use western weapons anyway... ie misidentified as being Russian.

He said there were photos been made in Beslan picturing Alpha's sniper with AI rifle. And that's true, FSB/GRU/MVD snipers have AI & SAKO rifles in their arsenal.
But the very essence of his post is that someone can easily confuse "Russian soldier with Georgian or from the baltic republics".

[Eddy_Bee]

Cheers FW2000.

I knew he was Russian, i'm quite good with my Russian camouflage.

[lightfire]

Here is the photo of GRU specnaz, with Toyota, I was talking about.Sorry for the quality,it's been made with a mobile phone camera..

It says, this is GRU's 157th Spetsnaz Brigade in Afgan, Paktia province in 1988.They are supposed to be "Caravan hunters".

[CHERK]

Here is the photo of GRU specnaz, with Toyota, I was talking about.Sorry for the quality,it's been made with a mobile phone camera..

It says, this is GRU's 157th Spetsnaz Brigade in Afgan, Paktia province in 1988.They are supposed to be "Caravan hunters".

Mobile ambushes. They used captured vehicles and disguised themselves as mudjahadeen. Moved around the known mudj’s roots, spot caravans, get close, eliminate it. Proved to be a very successful tactic.
Wonder if Spec/ops are using this tactic in Afganistan today?

Edit: it's not 157th Brigade it's Detachment.

Regarding the 1 photo: how do you know they are VDV?

[Switek]

In Poland in 1980's were single models of western weapons, small arms. They were used for training... For me it's normal procedure to train own troops (recon, para and SOF) to use foe's weaponry.

[lightfire]

Mobile ambushes. They used captured vehicles and disguised themselves as mudjahadeen. Moved around the known mudj’s roots, spot caravans, get close, eliminate it. Proved to be a very successful tactic.
Wonder if Spec/ops are using this tactic in Afganistan today?

Edit: it's not 157th Brigade it's Detachment.

Regarding the 1 photo: how do you know they are VDV?

Yea, I thoutgh similarry,that a"brigade" could be too big, it's from english book anyway. Perhaps a good tactic, but are there any known blue on blue incidents with such disguise?
Today talibans are hunted more by the AF, SF usually spots them only (and ussually gets into fight first :) and then call for an air strike). But since SF ride on Toyotas today, there might be smth like that, I dunno, though doubt.

Regarding photo,

perhaps because of the name-"desant"? they don't wear smth from hat you could easilly determine a VDV blokep-) and the shoes seams to be too regular for airborn troops.

[KingoftheHill]

Awesome pic.

Thanks

[CHERK]

Yea, I thoutgh similarry,that a"brigade" could be too big, it's from english book anyway. Perhaps a good tactic, but are there any known blue on blue incidents with such disguise?
Today talibans are hunted more by the AF, SF usually spots them only (and ussually gets into fight first :) and then call for an air strike). But since SF ride on Toyotas today, there might be smth like that, I dunno, though doubt.

Regarding photo,

perhaps because of the name-"desant"? they don't wear smth from hat you could easilly determine a VDV blokep-) and the shoes seams to be too regular for airborn troops.

Blue on blue would be an unlikely event as they went hunting to the areas where no regular troops to be found, plus I would think it was well coordinated and the patrol’s AO would be restricted for engagement.

As I am looking closer at the picture I see a telnik on one of the troops, so yes there are VDV or Spetsnaz.