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Lov3ll
02-04-2007, 02:33 PM
Jamie Doward and Antony Barnett
Sunday February 4, 2007
The Observer (http://www.observer.co.uk/)

The intelligence services fear that Britain could be subject to a Beslan-style siege, with multiple hostages forced to plead for their lives on camera.

Whitehall sources have said that the threat is considered so credible that MI5, the police and the SAS have conducted at least two mock counter-terrorism exercises to work out how to deal with such an eventuality.

The last exercise, shortly before Christmas, took place at an RAF base near Chester. Five police forces were involved in an operation that envisaged an international conference being stormed by terrorists, who then held a group of children hostage in a creche wired with explosives.

Operation Northern Synergy saw a number of police chiefs assume the Gold Command - ultimate responsibility for co-ordinating the response. The commanders liaised with the government's Cobra committee, which is activated during times of national crisis. In the scenario the terrorists were equipped with mobile phones and a satellite uplink that allowed them to beam pictures of the hostages on to television screens. The operation ended with a decision to send in the SAS.

'This scenario is something that is very much on the radar screen,' said one counter-terrorism source. 'We have envisaged a British Beslan for several years.' Beslan in south-west Russia was the scene of a horrific siege when on 1 September, 2004, 1,200 schoolchildren and adults were taken hostage by Muslim terrorists. The siege resulted in the security services storming the school and the deaths of 344 of the hostages.

Growing fears that domestic terrorists could seize hostages in Britain and parade them on television and websites were underlined last week when police conducted a series of raids across the West Midlands.

Nine men were arrested under suspicion of attempting to kidnap a Muslim soldier. There were claims last week that the alleged plotters intended to film the soldier pleading for his life and then behead him, but security sources say that they cannot confirm the details.

However, it is thought they are studying the similarities with an alleged plot in Canada that was disrupted last year. Last May the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrested 17 men who were allegedly planning to storm the country's parliament, take hostages and behead the Prime Minister, Stephen Harper. It is known that those behind the alleged plot in Canada had links with terror suspects in Britain.

'We know from the plot in Canada that terror cells have been considering plots to kidnap high-profile individuals,' a senior counter-terrorism official said. 'We have to be alert to the possibility that Islamic extremist groups may be considering many forms of attack, including kidnappings or taking hostages on a large scale. Dame Eliza [Manningham-Buller, the head of MI5] has always made it clear that the threat we face comes in many different forms.'

A spokesman for the RCMP declined to comment on whether it was liaising with its counterparts in Britain. 'We cannot comment on operational matters,' the spokesman said.

Birmingham's Muslim community held a meeting last night to discuss the aftermath of the police raids, amid growing criticism of the way in which the media reported the case.

On Thursday, West Midlands police were given a further seven days to hold the men after applying for an extension at Coventry magistrates' court.

Assistant Chief Constable David Shaw said that a number of procedures had to be completed before formal interviews could take place. 'Far better that we use a measured, calculated, meticulous response than rush into things,' said Shaw, acknowledging that he was aware of the police intrusion into the lives of local people. We do need to balance the disruptions we are causing you with doing a thorough and professional job,' Shaw said.

Forensic specialists have been scouring 15 properties in Birmingham that were seized during Wednesday's operation.

A further three search warrants were executed on Friday. Police said six searches had been completed and a 'significant quantity' of exhibits had been gathered.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2005594,00.html

Flamming_Python
02-04-2007, 04:02 PM
I am a bit confused.

Does this mean that the authorities think that a school could be seized by terrorists in the near-future? Or just some other hostage situation?

Laworkerbee
02-04-2007, 04:26 PM
Best to be prepared for worst case scenarios

uglybaby
02-04-2007, 04:36 PM
I think it's always good to prepare for the unexpected. That's what made it so successful from the terrorist's point of view. Sadly here in the US this could happen very easily. It's already been proven how a child can walk into a school and take out a bunch of people. Imagine if a terror cell with training and prior planning trys it....I shudder. A local school here is under investigation because a "security expert" was able to walk in take pictures of children in the hallway, walk around the building and leave without anyone even asking who he was. The schools reponse has been something along the lines of "well the children should learn to report strangers.." Great. Lets place security of the school on the shoulders of the students. Something totally f-cked up with that logic. Last I heard a parents group had volunteers manning the doors to screen anyone entering. The school was trying to stop them with the threat of police and a lawsuit. Nice one huh?..

Switek
02-04-2007, 04:38 PM
I am a bit confused.

Does this mean that the authorities think that a school could be seized by terrorists in the near-future? Or just some other hostage situation?

No, I guess, but seize a shool makes a big media attention what is as a matter of fact main terrorist's goal.

mmackem
02-04-2007, 04:40 PM
It's related to this.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103961&highlight=kidnap+british+soldier

PeterG
02-04-2007, 04:43 PM
I think it's always good to prepare for the unexpected. That's what made it so successful from the terrorist's point of view. Sadly here in the US this could happen very easily. It's already been proven how a child can walk into a school and take out a bunch of people. Imagine if a terror cell with training and prior planning trys it....I shudder. A local school here is under investigation because a "security expert" was able to walk in take pictures of children in the hallway, walk around the building and leave without anyone even asking who he was. The schools reponse has been something along the lines of "well the children should learn to report strangers.." Great. Lets place security of the school on the shoulders of the students. Something totally f-cked up with that logic. Last I heard a parents group had volunteers manning the doors to screen anyone entering. The school was trying to stop them with the threat of police and a lawsuit. Nice one huh?..

Even with 'volunteers manning the doors', how secure could a public school be in an open western society? Or any other place where large crowds can be found? One has to be realistic here..

Hunterhr
02-04-2007, 05:39 PM
I imagine the thought of a 'Beslan' style attack keeps more than a few police/CT guys awake at night.

Roy Batty
02-04-2007, 05:45 PM
We had a real interesting seminar up here with Col. Dave Grossman a few weeks back and he said that we should prepare for "Beslan" type senarios as AQ has specificly said that "what happened to Russia will happen to the west". These statements were made not long after the seige at Beslan. Armed guards are a fact of life at schools and on school field trips in Isreal.

oldsoak
02-04-2007, 06:54 PM
Its better to have a plan and nothing happen, rather than trying to plan after the event. I'd argue its their duty to look at possible terrorist actions and plan accordingly - if they didnt, they wouldnt be doing their job.

MichaelF
02-04-2007, 10:18 PM
How do you storm a building filled with friendly civilians, hajjis mixed in with them and half the hajjis wired to blow (dead man's switch)?

That was the MO for both Beslan and the Moscow theater seige.

It's a no-win situation for the friendlies.

Thor
02-04-2007, 10:38 PM
Sadly, it's just a matter of time.

When it happen authorities will claim it was "unexpected".

Calanen
02-04-2007, 11:38 PM
How do you storm a building filled with friendly civilians, hajjis mixed in with them and half the hajjis wired to blow (dead man's switch)?

That was the MO for both Beslan and the Moscow theater seige.

It's a no-win situation for the friendlies.

I remember one of the Russians saying 'We tried our best to save people. We could not save them all. Please forgive us.' after the Moscow theatre. I thought it was ingenious to pump anaesthetic into the building, but, regrettably its a blunt weapon so that people can die from the gas. Saved way more people than would have been the case had the place been blown apart.

GoodToGo
02-04-2007, 11:56 PM
The SAS are certainly not the only ones training for the possibility of a Beslan-type siege. Delta/CAG, DevGru, and FBI HRT actively work out and game new methods of dealing with this style of H/R scenario.
Unfortunately, when dealing with an enemy that goes in the doors of the school with absolutely no illusions of ever coming out alive, that makes life incredibly difficult for a C/T assault team. Knowing that the terrorists will not hesitate to explosively renovate the school the instant they detect a breach attempt, your assault options are incredibly limited.
I firmly believe we will see this style of attack carried out within the United States in the future. Clearly, morality is not an issue for radical Islam in regards to choosing hard and soft targets to hit, and it is probably just a matter of time. One thing is for sure, i would hate to be the point man on that assault, but if i had to, i would hope i had my life insurance paid up. Sad to say, but totally true! I guess that is why we pay SpecOps guys the big buck...oh wait, never mind!