Pledge to US not to harm Arafat no longer valid

[SeanAshi]

In response to comments made by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that his pledge to US President George W. Bush not to harm PA chairman Yasser Arafat, the Ramallah-confined Palestinian leader said that he is "fated to die as a shaheed (martyr)," Ynet reported Friday.

"I am a believer. My fate is that of the Palestinian people. I am fated to die as a shaheed."

Arafat made his comments during a meeting with Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi at his Ramallah compound.

Palestinian officials have expressed concern that Israel might attack Arafat, especially following the killings of the Hamas leaders in recent weeks. On Thursday, Arafat expelled 20 militants who had sought shelter at his West Bank headquarters, fearing an Israeli attack was imminent.

Nabil Abu Rdeneh, an aide to Arafat, warned that Sharon's "dangerous statements ... could push the whole region into tremendous danger."

"We call upon the US administration to clarify its position on these statements and to bear its responsibility toward this escalation," he said.

Sharon won't rule out attack on Arafat

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday that he is no longer bound by a promise to US President George W. Bush not to harm Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

It was the strongest signal yet that Israel could target Arafat, whom it has confined to his West Bank headquarters for two years. Palestinian officials condemned what they called Sharon's "dangerous statements."

In an interview with Israel TV's Channel Two, broadcast Friday, Sharon said he told Bush about his change of position in a meeting in Washington last week.

"I told the president the following," Sharon said. "In our first meeting about three years ago, I accepted your request not to harm Arafat physically. I told him I understand the problems surrounding the situation, but I am released from that pledge."

Sharon declined to elaborate and would not say how Bush responded.


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Arafat+humor/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.jr.co.il/humorpic/pc0067.jpg

[Uncle Sam]

Yasser Arafat, the Ramallah-confined Palestinian leader said that he is "fated to die as a ****head (poop in brains)," Ynet reported Friday.

"I am a believer. My fate is that of the Palestinian people. I am fated to die as a ****head."

He can be so honest...

[usa320]

Id off him too.

I think for years Israel has not killed any leaders because they feared harsh revenge. But i think after they killed Yassin and Rantissi they realized that the "harsh revenge" wont materialize.

[mustamato]

I think for years Israel has not killed any leaders because they feared harsh revenge. But i think after they killed Yassin and Rantissi they realized that the "harsh revenge" wont materialize.

You must learn that some things happens in the long term my young friend.
Israels credibility as a "democratic" state is truly in doubt these days. I think
that we can see in example Vanunus release in that perspective. When Israel
show their true face, they must compensate in some other way.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

the "harsh revenge" wont materialize.
If this ever happens I think the "harsh revenge" may come from unexpected quarters. What with the US and the coalition doing everything they can to keep the lid on Iraq and pacify Afghanistan while at the same time trying to soothe other Muslim states I would not bet on the US not taking action of some sort against Israel maybe in the form of sanctions.
Anyways I reckon they will do nothing to Arafat I think Sharon is just playing to the gallery.

[born_to_kill]

Bye yasser!

[SeanAshi]

Arafats popularity is at a all time low, but if Israel does away with Arafat then he will become the greatest Palestinian of all time, for doing nothing but leading his people to ruin, he is useless just let him rott in the shambles of his Ramallah compound.

[gilgoul]

I think for years Israel has not killed any leaders because they feared harsh revenge. But i think after they killed Yassin and Rantissi they realized that the "harsh revenge" wont materialize.

You must learn that some things happens in the long term my young friend.
Israels credibility as a "democratic" state is truly in doubt these days. I think
that we can see in example Vanunus release in that perspective. When Israel
show their true face, they must compensate in some other way.

Yes . I learned thta eevn 68 years after the fall of the third reich, you re still a Nazi supporter, that you can cry for a palestinian, while you have the nostalgia of a regime that brought more than 60 million death and the removing and displacing of more than a 100 milion displaced people.
So basically, why don`t you take in your scandinavian nostalgic stallag some of those "poor refugees", teach them cross country skiin and shut the fu..k up?

[scm77]

Arafat is going to get
http://forumspam.articblue.nl/user_related/owned/images/0694.jpg
woot :D woot

[hey]

mustamato wrote:


You must learn that some things happens in the long term my young friend.
Israels credibility as a "democratic" state is truly in doubt these days. I think
that we can see in example Vanunus release in that perspective. When Israel
show their true face, they must compensate in some other way.

Every time I see a post you wrote it makes me more and more proud of the founders of Israel. It makes me more glad that we have our own country. We don't live on the mercy of people like you anymore. Don't hide behined your so called liberal views , you already proved your "true face" here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12591&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=48
at the image you posted in this page.

say whatever you want. tell whatever stories your mind can invent.

When I started with this post I wanted to ask why you question Israel credibility as a democratic country. but after i saw you giving the vanunu example i relaised that you don't want to listen you don't come here to discuss(there was a whole thread about this issue where you could find the reasons why he got in jail) , you aren't intrested with the facts. It's sad that in every thread about Israel I'm already expecting a ****ing idiotic post that mustamato wrote where I can find your anti-israeli/antisemic opinions hidden in some so called "facts".

[radon]

gilgoul you confuse hippies with nazis.

[Sayeret]

mustamato wrote:


You must learn that some things happens in the long term my young friend.
Israels credibility as a "democratic" state is truly in doubt these days. I think
that we can see in example Vanunus release in that perspective. When Israel
show their true face, they must compensate in some other way.

More than 900 Israelis have been killed, Israel has more than the right to kill Arafat.

[MEGR]

I'm suprised the IDF didn't kill this guy a long time ago.

[SeanAshi]

I'm suprised the IDF didn't kill this guy a long time ago.
As Arafat was boarding a ship to North Africa in the early 80's his head was in the scope of an Israeli sniper, it was decided to let him go...

[mocking_loudly_died]

Hmmm, I find it hard to believe Arafat is going to be killed.

[Dennis G]

I expect a very similar fate


http://masada2000.com/yassin-dogmeat2.JPG
http://masada2000.com/yassin-dogmeat.JPG

[Ghostwolf]

Instead of putting the emphasis on Arafat, I would be more eager to find out who is the new Hamas leader first, and "take" him out to lunch the Israeli way.

[born_to_kill]

You know everyone says that If israel killed Yassin the REvenge attack would be very brutal.

When israel failed in killing Yassin earlier this year, They blew up a bus the next day.

When israel killed Yassin, the palestinians didnt and cant do ****.


Its liek cutting the head off of the snake

[SeanAshi]

Palestinians have been trying but the tight security is preventing them from succeeding, Arafat is a terrorist and derserves to be treated as such but...if Arafat is killed I think the fall out would be much worse then Yassin and Rintisi combined, but I would keep up with the war on Hamas and if that means going into Syria to get Khalid Mishaal so be it..

[Ghostwolf]

I expect a very similar fate
http://masada2000.com/yassin-dogmeat2.JPG
http://masada2000.com/yassin-dogmeat.JPG

I might imagine that outcome as well.
BTW, nice website.

http://masada2000.com

[SeanAshi]

http://masada2000.com/Bush-dogsm.jpg
Whats the deal? President Bush has been a great friend to Israel

[Ghostwolf]

http://masada2000.com/Bush-dogsm.jpg
Whats the deal? President Bush has been a great friend to Israel

That's why I say "nice website". Those people who set up this site are probably some Israeli extreme right wing group.

[Bara_Cooda]

mustamato wrote:


You must learn that some things happens in the long term my young friend.
Israels credibility as a "democratic" state is truly in doubt these days. I think
that we can see in example Vanunus release in that perspective. When Israel
show their true face, they must compensate in some other way.

Israel is a democracy for it's own benefits and reasons. Defeniltly not so you europeans will approve it and say Israel is alright. Israel always shows it's "true face", and some would say that's a big difference between our country and yours.
In fact, if ur country would have a big population inside your borders doing what the palestinians are doing, I don't want to think about the sick things you would probally do to them..

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

In fact, if ur country would have a big population inside your borders doing what the palestinians are doing, I don't want to think about the sick things you would probally do to them..
Yeah blah de blah, shadows of the "Final Solution" and all that stuff finish it already. :roll:

[Bara_Cooda]

I didn't mention that, you did

And i didn't mean that, don't understand only what ya want to.
Any other place in the world with a situation similar to this one ended in massacures and very ugly pictures. You would do the same. The palestinians would do the same..
It's only the Israelis who are usualy too f****** moral, even when it means Israeli troops will get killed. .

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

It's only the Israelis who are usualy too f****** moral, even when it means Israeli troops will get killed. .
To be honest with you I think both sides have shown incredible restraint over the last couple of years I think things could have a lot worse.
:|

[Uninen]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/23/sharon.arafat/index.html


U.S. tells Sharon it opposes targeting Arafat


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush White House told the Israeli government Friday that it considers "a pledge a pledge" and made clear it would oppose any Israeli effort to target Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

Points for Bush, at least his still relatively sane, unlike Sharon and some of you Israelis that seem to blame it all to Palestinians, when in fact YOU STARTED IT ALL.

[SeanAshi]

unlike Sharon and some of you Israelis that seem to blame it all to Palestinians, when in fact YOU STARTED IT ALL.Uninen actually it was started way back in the day when the muslims took the land from the jews, why don't you get rape and torture some Chechen children.

[S'13]

Points for Bush, at least his still relatively sane, unlike Sharon and some of you Israelis that seem to blame it all to Palestinians, when in fact YOU STARTED IT ALL.

Usually when people make a claim, they try to base it with facts...

Writing the claim with big letters doesn't make the claim true. :roll:

[Uninen]

SeanAshi,

Im not Russian, get that to your thick skull already.

S'13,

How about this fact:

After 1945 Jews swarmed into the "holy land" and in the end, in 1948 you took it over, by force from the people that actually lived in there.

Anyways,

Whats up with you guys? Are you pissed at me cause G.W.B said that YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MURDER ARAFAT? Damn...... :cantbeli:

[Javehn]

After 1945 Jews swarmed into the "holy land" and in the end, in 1948 you took it over, by force from the people that actually lived in there.

That is so wrong in so many levels . But i am so tired to write this over and over and over again . Just read this . And before you jump on this , this is not Pro Israeli site .
http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

[Uninen]

Javehn,

Ive heard the all "versions" (and i know that there were Jews in "Israel" long before end of ww2...... but reality remains the 99.99% of all Jews have moven to there after that....) , but one i stated is the thing as the Palestinians see it, and i think that this is the most important angle from which to look at these problems, as because as long as they see these events and current reality as being unjust to them, this wont ever end, just as if Israelis continue to claim "all of it to themselfs" and not giving back a inch on any issues........

Both sides need to back off with some of their claims and "posessions", so that the circle of violence would end and you can get PEACE to there.

IE, if you would give East Jerusalem, whole of West Bank and Gaza to Palestinians and expell all "settlers" from those areas back to Israel, i think that most Palestinians would be "happy" and actually take down the "terrorists" by themselfs.....


"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman.

But what do i know, right? :|

[UkrainianAmerican]

Why, WHY do the idiots keep coming? :(

[S'13]

How about this fact:

After 1945 Jews swarmed into the "holy land" and in the end, in 1948 you took it over, by force from the people that actually lived in there.

Actually Jews had already made big Aliyot (immigrations to the Land of Israel) since 1882. Also Jews who were a part of the Old Yeshov had always lived in the Land of Israel. In fact 67 Jews who were members of the Old Yeshov were murdered by thier Arab neighbors in the 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Your take on histroy is quite strange since I don't understand what you mean by "took it over, by force" I mean this land didn't belong to anyone and was always controlled by foreign powers since the destruction of the first Temple (the Romans, Turks and the British for example).
The U.N partition plan had passed in 1947 and stated that the Land of Israel would be divided into a Jewish and an Arab state, however this plan was doomed once five Arab armies invaded the newborn Jewish state in 1948 with the purpose of destroying it, thus I don't see how you or the Arabs can come to us with complaints.
Futher more your own logic denounces the Arabs rights over the Land of Israel since they are not the native poeple of the land and it is not thier land of origin (Saudi Arabia is...), the Arabs came to the Land of Israel via Jordan and Syria as nomad tribes and settled it.
However it is well established that the roots of the Jewish people are in the Land of Israel.

[Uninen]

Your own logic is quite twisted, jsut because they have taken some wrong turns at certain points doesnt NEGATE THEIR RIGHT FOR THEIR OWN STATE.

Also from what i remember, "Israels" declaration of indepentence was actually a illegal one....... And none of the worlds nations didnt dare to "approve" it until for some unknown reason SOVIETS first did.

And of "Hebron massacres"...... i would be really quiet about.... as it is the start of this new round of violence between Palestinians and Israelis has its roots back at the "Mosque massacre of Hebron", done by Israeli settler who has discuised himself as IDF trooper and shot plenty of Palestinians when they were praying, for no other reason that make it impossible to continue within the path of peace............ i was btw on that same day that this happened, supposed to visit in Herbon, but we werent allowed to there...... for obvious reasons....... yeah ive been in Israel.


1994 Massacre

On February 26, 1994, one of the settlers in Hebron, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, shot and killed 29 Palestinians while they were praying in the Hebron mosque. The Israeli government, as well as the vast majority of the Israeli and settler public strongly condemned this atrocity. However, extremists from Israel and abroad (in particular belonging to the right-wing Kach movement) have expressed support of his actions.

Following these events, Kach has been outlawed. A commission of inquiry established by Chief Justice Meir Shamgar has found that Goldstein had acted on his own. The victims of the shooting received substancial financial compensation; several attempts to attack Arabs by other extremists were thwarted by Israeli security forces in the years following the attack.

Only Palestinians have criminals and terrorists among them? I think not........ also wasnt it a another Israeli terrorist that murdered Yitzhak Rabin your prime minister that was hard trying to make peace..... decorated and successful commander of Israeli forces in many wars.......


For his role in the creation of the Oslo Accords, Rabin was awarded the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize, along with Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres. The Accords made him both a hero and a villain to different parts of Israeli society.

On November 4, 1995, Rabin was shot by the right-wing activist Yigal Amir after attending a peace rally in Tel Aviv's Kings Square. Mortally wounded, he died on the operating table at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv.

Dont give me any BS, there is even in Israel a minority of terrorists that are willing to do anything to make it impossible to Israel to have anykind of peace.... ever.

Just like among Palestinians. But with Israel, especially lately these people have started also "to serve" in IDF........ These "Orthodox Jews" (and/or settlers) that didnt before even serve in the military, have now been starting to make their presence known in it.

[Bara_Cooda]

These "Orthodox Jews" (and/or settlers) that didnt before even serve in the military, have now been starting to make their presence known in it.


Religous jews, have ALWAYS served in the army.
Orthodox jews, never served in the army and most of them still don't today.

Religous jews, "kipa sruga", are Zionists.
Most of the setlers ars these.


Also, there is no place to compare the scale of extremists among Israelis and palestanians.
The few actions of the Israeli extemists, like the Hebron massacure, are indeed sad and outraging, but are nothing in compare to the many hundereds of innocent people killed by Palestanian terrorists..

I believe the majority of the palestanians, sadly enough, support Hamas and Jihad, while the majority of Israelis just want peace . .
"Even" the setlers.

[Uninen]

Bara_Cooda,

I just posted those things cause i felt that those guys are always trying to make it seem that only Palestinians do "terrorist things", which isnt true.....

And the "Orthodox jews" well, like you and i said they havent historically served in the Army, but LATELY SOME OF THEM HAVE JOINED THE "FIGHT"..... and this cant be a good thing.


I believe the majority of the palestanians, sadly enough, support Hamas and Jihad

Again heres the time for all Israelis to do some self study.... there is very clear reasons for this, and i think you in reality know what those are (but its not like your gonna admit them to me....)

1. You occupy and control their lands.
2. You humiliate their people on daily basis.... all kinds of limitation for ordinary people... Road blocks etc.....


but are nothing in compare to the many hundereds of innocent people killed by Palestanian terrorists..

Again go into yourself, remember what you did in 1948? Erased whole villages to the ground...... some of these action were done by your "Army" and some by Jewish terrorist organisations......

Also IDF is sadly so still killing civilians...... (tank cannon, missile or LGB vs. suicide bomber if it kills civilians.... whats the difference?)

(Yeah, there was Jewish terrorists back then, even your military called the as such....)

Lets face it, if you want this all to end.... you have two options..... first, you kill all Palestinians and Arabs..... second, you "change you swords to words" and start talking.

[S'13]

Your own logic is quite twisted, jsut because they have taken some wrong turns at certain points doesnt NEGATE THEIR RIGHT FOR THEIR OWN STATE.

Did I write that? where did I write that they didn't have any right for a state of their own?

Don't put words in my mouth...



Also from what i remember, "Israels" declaration of indepentence was actually a illegal one....... And none of the worlds nations didnt dare to "approve" it until for some unknown reason SOVIETS first did.

Actually it is said that the new state was recognized that night (of thedeclaration of indepentence) by the United States and three days later by the Soviet Union.

As for the rest:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_israel_legal.php


What is the legal basis for the State of Israel?
Some ask the question, "Does Israel have a right to exist?" That is not a proper question since Israel does exist, is recognized by the United Nations and many other countries, and is no more subject to being so questioned than is the United States, Japan, or any other country. Anyone who persists with the question of Israel's right to exist is one whose agenda is to eliminate Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.

But there is a legal background to the State of Israel. The Declaration of Israel's Independence, issued at Tel Aviv on May 14, 1948, recites the legal history that led to the founding of Israel as an internationally recognized sovereign state:

The land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and national identity was formed. Here they achieved independence and created a culture of national and universal significance. Here they wrote and gave the Bible to the world.


In the year 1897 the First Zionist Congress, inspired by Theodor Herzl's vision of the Jewish State, proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national revival in their own country.


This right was acknowledged by the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, and re-affirmed by the Mandate of the League of Nations, which gave explicit international recognition to the historic connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and their right to reconstitute their National Home.


On November 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a Resolution for the establishment of an independent Jewish State in Palestine, and called upon the inhabitants of the country to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put the plan into effect. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their independent State may not be revoked. It is, moreover, the self-evident right of the Jewish people to be a nation, as all other nations, in its own sovereign State.


ACCORDINGLY, WE, the members of the National Council, representing the Jewish people in Palestine and the Zionist movement of the world, met together in solemn assembly today, the day of the termination of the British mandate for Palestine, by virtue of the natural and historic right of the Jewish and of the Resolution of the General Assembly of the United Nations, HEREBY PROCLAIM the establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine, to be called ISRAEL.


At that point, the State of Israel came into existence. The United States recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state within minutes. The Soviet Union granted de jure recognition almost immediately in 1948 along with seven other states within the next five days (Guatemala, Byelorussia, the Ukraine, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Uruguay, and Yugoslavia).

Since the League of Nations was formally terminated in April 1946, there was a specific UN resolution that preserved the rights of the Jewish people in Palestine (and in Jerusalem particularly). The United Nations, as the successor organization to the League of Nations, adopted Article 80 of the UN Charter, which negated efforts "to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples (emphasis added) or the terms of existing international instruments" at the time of the UN's creation. This provision carried the British Mandate granted by the League of Nations, including all of its committments to a homeland for the Jewish people, into the framework of international law at the United Nations.

Israel's success in defending its territory against the invading Arab armies in 1948 made the country an established reality. General elections were held on January 25, 1949: the provisional State Council was replaced by an elected Parliament (Knesset) and the Provisional Government by a regular parliamentary Government. De jure recognition by the United States was extended on January 31, 1949 after the permanent government was sworn in. On January 29, 1949, the former Mandatory Power, Britain, recognized the state of Israel, a step that also recognized the end of British efforts to affect the course of the region’s politics.

In the fall of 1948, Israel had applied for membership in the United Nations but failed to win the necessary majority in the Security Council. In February 1949, Israel renewed its application for membership in the United Nations. On March 4, 1949, the Security Council recommended to the General Assembly that it be admitted. On May 11, Israel was admitted, to become the 59th member. Between January 1, 1949 and May 11. 1949, Israel was recognised by 32 States, in addition to the 20 that had accorded it recognition prior to December 31, 1948. Today Israel has full diplomatic relations with most countries of the world, except portions of the Islamic/Arab block that continue to believe that Israel can somehow be eliminated.




And of "Hebron massacres"...... i would be really quiet about.... as it is the start of this new round of violence between Palestinians and Israelis has its roots back at the "Mosque massacre of Hebron", done by Israeli settler who has discuised himself as IDF trooper and shot plenty of Palestinians when they were praying, for no other reason that make it impossible to continue within the path of peace............ i was btw on that same day that this happened, supposed to visit in Herbon, but we werent allowed to there...... for obvious reasons....... yeah ive been in Israel.

Quote:
1994 Massacre

On February 26, 1994, one of the settlers in Hebron, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, shot and killed 29 Palestinians while they were praying in the Hebron mosque. The Israeli government, as well as the vast majority of the Israeli and settler public strongly condemned this atrocity. However, extremists from Israel and abroad (in particular belonging to the right-wing Kach movement) have expressed support of his actions.

Following these events, Kach has been outlawed. A commission of inquiry established by Chief Justice Meir Shamgar has found that Goldstein had acted on his own. The victims of the shooting received substancial financial compensation; several attempts to attack Arabs by other extremists were thwarted by Israeli security forces in the years following the attack.

The Hebron Massacre and many other massacres were encouraged by the Arab leadership unlike the 1994 massacre which was denunciated by the Israeli government and as we can see in the quotes you that brought up the government acted and still acts against these groups... I wish we could say the same about the Arabs.


yeah ive been in Israel

Ok... You want a medal or something? :cantbeli:



Only Palestinians have criminals and terrorists among them? I think not........ also wasnt it a another Israeli terrorist that murdered Yitzhak Rabin your prime minister that was hard trying to make peace..... decorated and successful commander of Israeli forces in many wars.......

And that terrorist is doing a life sentence in prison


Dont give me any BS, there is even in Israel a minority of terrorists that are willing to do anything to make it impossible to Israel to have anykind of peace.... ever.

Why do you think it's BS when it's true that they are really a minority? I mean how do you explain the fact that attcks by these kinds of underground organization are so rare other then because of the great work the Shen Bet is doing.


Just like among Palestinians. But with Israel, especially lately these people have started also "to serve" in IDF........ These "Orthodox Jews" (and/or settlers) that didnt before even serve in the military, have now been starting to make their presence known in it.

Another one who thinks he is an expert on the society in Israel...

[S'13]

I just posted those things cause i felt that those guys are always trying to make it seem that only Palestinians do "terrorist things", which isnt true.....

You posted those things because you can't make a real argument.


And the "Orthodox jews" well, like you and i said they havent historically served in the Army, but LATELY SOME OF THEM HAVE JOINED THE "FIGHT"..... and this cant be a good thing.

Didn't you read what he wrote?

"Kipa Sruga" have always served in the IDF.


Also IDF is sadly so still killing civilians...... (tank cannon, missile or LGB vs. suicide bomber if it kills civilians.... whats the difference?)

The difference is that the IDF does not deliberately kill civilians.


Lets face it, if you want this all to end.... you have two options..... first, you kill all Palestinians and Arabs..... second, you "change you swords to words" and start talking.


Yes, it's all up to us... the Fact that the goal set out by groups like Islamic Jihad and Hamas to destroy Israel has no affect.

[Uninen]

yeah ive been in Israel

Ok... You want a medal or something? :cantbeli:

Yes please! :P



Only Palestinians have criminals and terrorists among them? I think not........ also wasnt it a another Israeli terrorist that murdered Yitzhak Rabin your prime minister that was hard trying to make peace..... decorated and successful commander of Israeli forces in many wars.......

And that terrorist is doing a life sentence in prison

Thats given, i mentioned this case to show that there is terrorists also among Israelis that arent affraid to even hit their national heros to futher their own agendas. :|



Dont give me any BS, there is even in Israel a minority of terrorists that are willing to do anything to make it impossible to Israel to have anykind of peace.... ever.

Why do you think it's BS when it's true that they are really a minority? I mean how do you explain the fact that attcks by these kinds of underground organization are so rare other then because of the great work the Shen Bet is doing.

"there is even in Israel a minority of terrorists that are willing to do anything to make it impossible to Israel to have anykind of peace.... ever."

The "BS part" for that dont say that there arent those kinds of people........

You just misunderstood........

:roll:

[Uninen]

Also IDF is sadly so still killing civilians...... (tank cannon, missile or LGB vs. suicide bomber if it kills civilians.... whats the difference?)

The difference is that the IDF does not deliberately kill civilians.

Dead person is a dead person, and you cant make one alive again. So this makes no big difference, also with this new influx of "Orthodox jews" to the IDF, you cant say that why did certain trooper "accidentaly" shoot civilians dead, was it really a mistake, or did he do it on purpose, cause from what i gather.... these people are second in their fanatism only to suicided bombers.



Lets face it, if you want this all to end.... you have two options..... first, you kill all Palestinians and Arabs..... second, you "change you swords to words" and start talking.

Yes, it's all up to us... the Fact that the goal set out by groups like Islamic Jihad and Hamas to destroy Israel has no affect.

You are the side that holds all the wild cards... you have the power to make it happen, that is if you really want to.
Also, do you actually think that "Jihad" or "Hamas" have anykind of real change of doing this or even really "wound" your machine and nation?

:|

[S'13]

I agree with you that there is a dangerous minority in Israel, and hope you understand that these dangerous minorities are subjugated by the Israeli government.
Just as the Arabs should do with the dangerous groups (sadly I can't call them minorities) within themselves.

[hey]

Stop bubbeling about "Orthodox jews" when you don't even know what it means.

[S'13]

Dead person is a dead person, and you cant make one alive again. So this makes no big difference, also with this new influx of "Orthodox jews" to the IDF, you cant say that why did certain trooper "accidentaly" shoot civilians dead, was it really a mistake, or did he do it on purpose, cause from what i gather.... these people are second in their fanatism only to suicided bombers.

So according to you there is no difference between an army that sets out to protect its citizens and a terrorist organization that sets out murder civilians?

If so then that will be a new record for you...


You are the side that holds all the wild cards... you have the power to make it happen, that is if you really want to.
Also, do you actually think that "Jihad" or "Hamas" have anykind of real change of doing this or even really "wound" your machine and nation?

It takes two to make peace, keep that in mind.

[Sayeret]

Uninen your so stupid. The Israelis are against what Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir did unlike the Palestinians who support the suicide bombers. You shouldn't be surprised of what Baruch Goldstein. If you had lost friends to the terrorism and bombings kept occuring you might get really angry at the Palestinians too. (I don't support what Baruch Goldstein did, so don't say some bullsh*t about that but realize that the Palestinians with their constant terrorism was the main cause of why the massacre in Hebron occured.)

You should consider Yigal Amir a hero, so I don't know what your point is about him and btw he was arrested.

[Sayeret]

Uninen I can't argue with you because your so ignorant. You don't know anything about terrorism if you say that Hamas and Islamic Jihad has no effect on Israel. You must live in the US or some country that rarely gets attacked by terrorists. Israel has had an equivalent of 35 9/11s happen to its country this in comparison to the United States population wise.

[IDFM203]

boy its good to be back ;) ....I think I will start off with this :D

It's only the Israelis who are usualy too f****** moral, even when it means Israeli troops will get killed. .
To be honest with you I think both sides have shown incredible restraint over the last couple of years I think things could have a lot worse.
:|What? Indeed it could have been A LOT WORSE, but it has not because the other side has shown restraint?? huh????? :roll:


How has the other side shown restraint? Its clear that you are another one of those people that believe this “quite” now or when ever there is “quite” or no homicide bombings or shooting attacks or mortar or kassam rocket attacks it is a result of their restraint? :roll: Or that they have a timing strategy not to attack or something like that :roll: As if its no systematic campaign (as we know it is) but rather their strategic tactics when to attack or when not to? :cantbeli:

Geez the true lack of understanding of what we face is beyond appalling.

You know I can trace exactly two years as to the real reason why there have been much less homicide bombings and shooting attacks from their side and if you read my other postings you will know why it is as such (and believe me it has NOTHING to do with their supposed restraint or any lack of them trying)

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

Stop bubbeling about "Orthodox jews" when you don't even know what it means.

Ive seen them inreal, they are the "dudes" that use all their days abusing their wifes or reading "bible"....

They are the Wahabbis of "Jews".... basicly religious nuts living couple of hundred years behind the rest of the world.

[Uninen]

Dead person is a dead person, and you cant make one alive again. So this makes no big difference, also with this new influx of "Orthodox jews" to the IDF, you cant say that why did certain trooper "accidentaly" shoot civilians dead, was it really a mistake, or did he do it on purpose, cause from what i gather.... these people are second in their fanatism only to suicided bombers.

So according to you there is no difference between an army that sets out to protect its citizens and a terrorist organization that sets out murder civilians?

If so then that will be a new record for you...

Like i said, you dont know what individual trooper thinks when he fires "accidentaly" at civilians... im not saying that the IDF is basicly "bad" but with these new kinds of recruits that your getting you really cant tell.

And of course theres a difference.



You are the side that holds all the wild cards... you have the power to make it happen, that is if you really want to.
Also, do you actually think that "Jihad" or "Hamas" have anykind of real change of doing this or even really "wound" your machine and nation?

It takes two to make peace, keep that in mind.

You pulled out of Lebanon...... and you didnt make a peace with Hizbollah..... ;)
And still..... your quite safe from them.

[radon]

2. You humiliate their people on daily basis.... all kinds of limitation for ordinary people... Road blocks etc.....

Without that every bus in Israel would be scrap metal.

[IDFM203]

Uninen,

gees Uninen this is absurd :roll:

the orthodox are a minority in Israel and they are harmless.

of course you have some individuals that are as you say, but most are very peaceful people.

Israel is a secular nation run by secular courts and laws and its government is mostly secular.


Most orthodox Jews do not partake in any violence at all (hell a lot don’t even serve in the IDF).

Orthodox Jews in the army follow the exact moral codes of the IDF as as such most do not target civilians.

I don’t understand where you have any facts to back up that most do target civilians or that most orthodox are as you claim.




You pulled out of Lebanon...... and you didnt make a peace with Hizbollah..... ;)
And still..... your quite safe from them.First of all IMO that will prove to be a big mistake.


secondly the Lebanese borders are not indefensible as the 1967 borders are.


Shalom :D

[Uninen]

Uninen your so stupid.


Uninen I can't argue with you because your so ignorant.

Hmm,

I think were have somekind of pattern here..... seriously, calm down i dont hate you. But sadly it seems that you cant even talk about these subjects with 3rd and outside party......

Let alone with those that you actually have to hack this..... :|

[Uninen]

I don?t understand where you have any facts to back up that most do target civilians or that most orthodox are as you claim.

There was "not that too long ago" when one of these actually started to shooting at Arabs in Jerusalem for no reason, his own squad mates had to take him down......

(Your gov. later said he was "mentaly ill"....)

Very much in same fassion as that Jordanian border guard that killed those girls......

But just to make sure i didnt claim, i feared that this could start happen lots often. ( Also wasnt there internal IDF study that showed that IDF actually fears for right-wing coup within? )

There is fanatical and sick persons on both sides that actually target and do their best to kill civilians.........

[UoUo]

Stop bubbeling about "Orthodox jews" when you don't even know what it means.

Ive seen them inreal, they are the "dudes" that use all their days abusing their wifes or reading "bible"....

They are the Wahabbis of "Jews".... basicly religious nuts living couple of hundred years behind the rest of the world.

directly from the nzis propoganda. :bash:

[IDFM203]

I don?t understand where you have any facts to back up that most do target civilians or that most orthodox are as you claim.

There was "not that too long ago" when one of these actually started to shooting at Arabs in Jerusalem for no reason, his own squad mates had to take him down...... yes like you have crime in your nation it doesn’t mean that I say eveyone in your nation is a criminal.

Those that committed this are an extreme rarity amongst the thousands and thousands of orthodox Jews that live peacefully and don’t do any such violent acts.


But just to make sure i didnt claim, i feared that this could start happen lots often. you can always fear anything.

Hell I fear some European nation doing another holocaust again.

The bottom line is that for the past fifty years most orthodox Jews are peaceful and they are today as well and you have no major things to back up having any rational fear from them as a community.



There is fanatical and sick persons on both sides that actually target and do their best to kill civilians......... the fanaticals on their side (which btw is a lot more and is commited and supported by a lot more) target and murder civilians all the time (and are constantly trying to do so).

The “fanatical” people on our side do not do much killings at all let alone any targeting of any civilians (except those very very rare cases that are committed by a handful of people).

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

IDFM203,

Arent "orthodox jews" very anti-peace, anti-palestinian, pro-settlement and pro-right wing (they are in fact the far right....)

Or can you deny this?

And also dont you feel that their view of religion and "place of woman" are bit "too in the past"?

:|

[UkrainianAmerican]

IDFM203,

Arent "orthodox jews" very anti-peace, anti-palestinian, pro-settlement and pro-right wing (they are in fact the far right....)

Or can you deny this?

And also dont you feel that their view of religion and "place of woman" are bit "too in the past"?

:|
Wow is there no limit to the amount of ignorance one can ejaculate?
Most of the Orthodox Jews, I am ashamed to say, are not big fans of self-defense, at least in United States. I dont know how they act in Israel.
EDIT

[IDFM203]

IDFM203,

Arent "orthodox jews" very anti-peace, anti-palestinian, pro-settlement and pro-right wing (they are in fact the far right....) No they are not anti peace!!

Yes they are pro-settlement and pro right wing.

Anti Palestinian perhaps due to their belief that they want to kill us all.

Anyways still they have views as do I have views but me and them don’t go out killing are targeting them.

The difference is that like you have your views and I and others have our views, the fact is that we don’t act on it nor do we support us acting on it However that is in stark contrast to the pali "fanaticles" who indeeed all the time act on thier beliefs and murder and target civilians all the time!!!

Most orthodox Jews do not believe in killing innocent people and don’t support us doing so.

Orthodox Jews have had their views for years now and yet didn’t go out in mass killings are in mass targeting of civilians.

Except for very very rare cases (and only commited bya amere handful of people), most orthodox Jews don’t do any violent acts at all and haven’t for years now



And also dont you feel that their view of religion and "place of woman" are bit "too in the past"?

:| where does this come it or rather what does this have to do withanything?

It might be in the past but they don’t hit them on mass or abuse them as you insinuated.

Anways this is waay off topic and IMO it has no relevance to what we are discussing.

Shalom :D

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yeah, also I heard many things about the orthodox from different sources. But I never once heard of them abusing their wifes. I think Talmud states pretty clearly that this behavior is completely out of line.

[Uninen]

Anways this is waay off topic and IMO it has no relevance to what we are discussing.

Shalom :D

:roll:

It really isnt..... you see even you confirmed that they have and support views that most normal people no matter from what "religion" or nation would see as "weird" or "extreme"..... :|


But I never once heard of them abusing their wifes.

With "abuse" i ment this thing..... that they view that woman dont have "political rights" and that "women need to just stfu and care for children"......... IE not very "modern views of role of women".....

Again goes to show that they are "bit extreme"... IE in same class with Taleban......

[IDFM203]

It really isnt..... you see even you confirmed that they have and support views that most normal people no matter from what "religion" or nation would see as "weird" or "extreme"..... :| :roll:

No I confirm ONLY that they have religious views with regards to women that aren’t as modern as some of today’s liberal views (though nowhere near as extreme as what Islamic fundamentalists DO and act towards them).

But that was strictly in regards to women and not to terrorism or any supposed acts of violence, which you claim they do or can do.

I can only gather from your silence on what I last said with regards to that and the fact that you didn’t even offer up a counter response and rather chose just to respond to this one point (about the women), means you have no real arguments on orthodox Jews being dangerous or a threat or that they target and kill civilians as I have clearly shown you they are not and don’t do at all!!.

Progress has been made :D ;)

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

It was responce to all the points except for the "anti-peace" which you said that they arent.......

But then again, didnt you say that they do actually support / are the "political far-right?"

Could you educate me what is actually Israels "far-rights" stance on peace issues? Cause what ive heard until now is thay dont want peace with palestinians, but rather they would chose to fill Gaza and West Bank with Israeli settlements.......

[IDFM203]

It was responce to all the points except for the "anti-peace" which you said that they arent....... Well if it was then it was a weak response to what I said, for their views on women have nothing to do on how they view the political and military situation of this conflict and what we face and what we should do about it and more specifically to you what they have done about it, which regards to killings, which a fact is that they have for the most part have done no killing at all let alone done any targeting of civilians.


But then again, didnt you say that they do actually support / are the "political far-right?" first of all I said pro right and that is it.

Id appreciate you not putting words into my mouth.

they might be far right but I didnt say that before ;)


Could you educate me what is actually Israels "far-rights" stance on peace issues? Cause what ive heard until now is thay dont want peace with palestinians, but rather they would chose to fill Gaza and West Bank with Israeli settlements....... the far right stance is that they believe most Palestinians don’t want just the west bank and gaza but want the whole Israel and they don’t want to live in peace with Israel at all no matter the borders and as such with that reality, they believe that its suicidal down the road to have a hostile population hell bent on our destruction roaming freely in the west bank and gaza and arming themselves to go and attack us and without a IDF and settlement presence, which the IDF needs to protect and thus you have a IDF presence in the west bank and gaza, this is the ONLY thing stopping them from getting arms from their Arab neighbors to launch more and bigger attacks and then with the help of their Arab neighbors invade to wipe out Israel (as they have tried in the past).

Of course the orthodox also believe its our land from a biblical pov however that is mixed as well from the fact that the Arabs invaded to wipe us out (and in 1967 were about to start it again) and as result its our land from that as well (as is mine and other and not just a orthodox POV).

Anyways again regardless of their beliefs, orthodox Jews do not go killing and targeting civilians and have never done any killings for the most part at all.

I mean before 1967, orthodox Jews weren’t killing anyone and they aren’t doing it now even if they believe its all our land.

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

they believe its all our land.

Shalom :D

That says it all, and views like this are dangerous and extreme as are people that belive in those views...

Shalom! ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Uninen Shut the f*ck up already. Getting on my nerves. :bash:

[Sayeret]

Uninen wrote:


With "abuse" i ment this thing..... that they view that woman dont have "political rights" and that "women need to just stfu and care for children"......... IE not very "modern views of role of women".....

Again goes to show that they are "bit extreme"... IE in same class with Taleban......

Like IDFM203 said the orthodox jews are no where as extreme as Taliban. Also a lot of them don't serve in the military and instead go to a yeshiva.

[IDFM203]

they believe its all our land.

Shalom :D

That says it all, and views like this are dangerous and extreme as are people that belive in those views...

Shalom! ;)hahaha ;) thats all you counter with :lol: :roll: very very weak response!!!

oh and yes they belive that as do a lot of Palestinians belive its all thiers, the difference is that most orthodox don’t and never have killed (even before 1967) or target civilians for it, while a lot of pal’s constantly kill and target civilians all the time for that belief!!

Shalom p-) :D

[Uninen]

"Bible school"... right? Btw, many of Talebans (Talib = Religious student) actually started at "Koran school", and only after that went over to terrorists training... ;)

And, i wasnt suggesting that they were "exactly as Talibs" but, certainly their views are closer "terrorist" like views, than those of "normal persons".... or can YOU relate to them? Are you one of them? Seriously..... i think that even you are thinking that those guys are real ****heads.. ;)

Two different things: being patriot and being a religious fanatic... ;)

And unlike "orthodox jews" your only the first of these options... i think..... :)

[IDFM203]

And, i wasnt suggesting that they were "exactly as Talibs" but, certainly their views are closer "terrorist" like views, than those of "normal persons".... :roll:

With regards to killings of innocents, how are their (orthodox and taliban) views related??

With regards to targeting of civilians, how are they related??

With regards to actually killing civilians, how are they related or even comparable?

With regards to stoning and killing women, how are they related?

Shalom :D

[Sayeret]

Uninen this is so stupid and you know it is. Orthodox Jews are more traditional than other branches of Judaism but they aern't at all like the Taliban. New York City has a huge group of Orthodox Jews but you never hear about them causing problems. Yes there are some Jewish fanatics just like there are Christian fanatics but they are a small minority for the overall religion and they don't all come from orthodox judaism.

[Uninen]

Uninen this is so stupid and you know it is.

Stupidity can sometimes be entertaining....and IDFM203 actually has a sense of humor..... and its not like you guys have yet called me as "terrorist" or as "enemy" or what even worse... threatened to kill me yet.... unlike some Americans... ;)

But seriously about "orthodoxs" really, some of their views and habbits and most of all their political alliances (the far-right) makes them as a group a potential problem, and some individuals have already been that.

:|

[IDFM203]

Finally at least we have a more reasoned argument instead of the absurdities that you stated before.

Now I still disagree with some of what you wrote but at least your post is a more normal of a argument as opposed to you posting and responding before with absurd and over exaggerated arguments that you have made till now.



But seriously about "orthodoxs" really, some of their views and habbitsfirst of all their views and habits with regards to killings of civilians and targeting of them are in line with all Israelis and that is they don’t support that at all!!

Secondly as for habit, well they actually don’t do much or any killings so their habits areant any problem.


and most of all their political alliances (the far-right) makes them as a group a potential problem, :roll: potential? again everything in this world can be a potential problem, you can say that for anything, the fact is that for over fifty years they haven’t done much killings and as such you don’t have anything real to put them in any more of a potential problem then any other thing.


and some individuals have already been that. exactly!!! For indeed in fifty years there have been ONLY a MERE handful of individuals from this community that have done so as indeed there are individuals in your nation that commit murders and are criminals but I don’t think everyone in your nation is a criminal.


P.S. yeah I try to avoid labeling people anti Jewish or things like that for I know its hard to prove….though it doesn’t mean I don’t feel that way about certain people ;)

Anways in truth I don’t care if you are or aren’t, I am here for a debate and conversartion and well that is what we are doing.

Besides politics, I don’t view you that negatively ;) I mean you are somewhat of a fan of the IDF in a military manner (correct? I say that based on our past conversations).

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

and most of all their political alliances (the far-right) makes them as a group a potential problem, :roll: potential? again everything in this world can be a potential problem, you can say that for anything, the fact is that for over fifty years they haven?t done much killings and as such you don?t have anything real to put them in any more of a potential problem then any other thing.

Well, over past fifty-years hardly any of "them" served in your armed force, but now they are starting to join in ever increasing numbers.........

"Opportunity makes a criminal"? (You must remember the part they play in Israels "far-right" politics.. which tell alot about their views and values.... and thats nothing pretty....)

Anything "far" or "extreme" cant be good.. :|




and some individuals have already been that. exactly!!! For indeed in fifty years there have been ONLY a MERE handful of individuals from this community that have done so as indeed there are individuals in your nation that commit murders and are criminals but I don?t think everyone in your nation is a criminal.

Like said ever increasing numbers of these individuals are joining your armed forces.... getting access to weapons and training to use em......



P.S. yeah I try to avoid labeling people anti Jewish or things like that for I know its hard to prove?.though it doesn?t mean I don?t feel that way about certain people ;)

Has mustamato been bullying you again? :( That damnt nazi... ;)


Anways in truth I don?t care if you are or aren?t, I am here for a debate and conversartion and well that is what we are doing.

Dont worry, had i been anything of the kind, we wouldnt be here debating in the first place... :)


Besides politics, I don?t view you that negatively ;) I mean you are somewhat of a fan of the IDF in a military manner (correct? I say that based on our past conversations).

Yeah i am.. lots of good things you guys have.... like Galil and many SOLTAM products... futhermore, i hear you guys have some top class NBC protection and detection systems and equipment... wonder where those came from.... ;)

[IDFM203]

and most of all their political alliances (the far-right) makes them as a group a potential problem, :roll: potential? again everything in this world can be a potential problem, you can say that for anything, the fact is that for over fifty years they haven?t done much killings and as such you don?t have anything real to put them in any more of a potential problem then any other thing.

Well, over past fifty-years hardly any of "them" served in your armed force, but now they are starting to join in ever increasing numbers......... first of all there were always orthodox people in the military (you have a long way to understanding the many different sects in orthodoxy and how they differ between each other in certain respects)

Secondly there is a thing called hesder where for years there have been many orthodox Jews in the military and they have not targeted civilians at all.

Orthodoxy does not support nor does it preach the targeting and killing of civilians or innocents (as the pali organizations do!!) and as such there is nothing real for you to base on that even if more of them join, they will be dangerous.



and some individuals have already been that.

exactly!!! For indeed in fifty years there have been ONLY a MERE handful of individuals from this community that have done so as indeed there are individuals in your nation that commit murders and are criminals but I don?t think everyone in your nation is a criminal.

Like said ever increasing numbers of these individuals are joining your armed forces.... getting access to weapons and training to use em...... ...... many of them have had weapons for years and have not done any killings.

also I responded more to this right above your quote here so that response works for here as well.


P.S. yeah I try to avoid labeling people anti Jewish or things like that for I know its hard to prove?.though it doesn?t mean I don?t feel that way about certain people ;)

Has mustamato been bullying you again? :( That damnt nazi... ;) hahah rofl no need to falsely flatter him……he hasn’t bullied me at all!!

(In fact I actually have had a lot of fun with him recently on some of his stupid things he has said)

as for him being a Nazi…well that’s your words not mine ;)

(again I try not to call people things for its hard to prove on the net)


Anways in truth I don?t care if you are or aren?t, I am here for a debate and conversartion and well that is what we are doing.

Dont worry, had i been anything of the kind, we wouldnt be here debating in the first place... :) [/color] :roll: why even if you are anti Jewish, you might still be here….ok say you are one for arguments sake, what differently would you be doing? If not debating me then what to me? I mean you wouldn’t be on the net here? There are no anti Jewish people on the net or here? :roll:

Besides politics, I don?t view you that negatively ;) I mean you are somewhat of a fan of the IDF in a military manner (correct? I say that based on our past conversations).

[color=darkblue]Yeah i am.. lots of good things you guys have.... like Galil and many SOLTAM products... heheh ;) damn and we still disagree :roll:

No, Galil is not good (wow what irony this is of you arguing for the Galil and me arguing aginst it ;) )

As for SOLTAM, well really that’s a very small part of our military and I bet the morters that you use in your military has also benefited from Israeli expertise and innovations ;)

Anyways I am sure you like a lot of our products, I mean the Israeli spike and the ranger UAV are just two of many Israeli products that you have in your military :D

Shalom :D

[SeanAshi]

If I had this conversation in the Russian forum I would be banned for disagreeing with the Russians there, Uninen you seem to be anti-American and Israeli you say your not Russian but you speak Russian and you never critizie Russia..what nationality are you? I'm courious to know.

[Javehn]

SeanAshi , are you the JohnDavid from the RFF forum ?

[Uninen]

anti-Israeli
Didnt i just say that i am not? :bash:


you say your not Russian but you speak Russian

No, i do not speak Russian, but if somebody "says" something in Russian to me, i have plenty of friends at the other end of the cable from whom i can ask that "wtf is this?"


what nationality are you? I'm courious to know.
S-U-A-M-I. (pun intended..) rofl

[born_to_kill]

What To Do
with
Arafat's Stinking Carcass

http://masada2000.com/meatgrinder.jpg
Step one

http://masada2000.com/feed-the-dog.jpg
Step Two

[big80a2]

Also IDF is sadly so still killing civilians...... (tank cannon, missile or LGB vs. suicide bomber if it kills civilians.... whats the difference?)

The difference is that the IDF does not deliberately kill civilians.

Dead person is a dead person, and you cant make one alive again. So this makes no big difference, also with this new influx of "Orthodox jews" to the IDF, you cant say that why did certain trooper "accidentaly" shoot civilians dead, was it really a mistake, or did he do it on purpose, cause from what i gather.... these people are second in their fanatism only to suicided bombers.


:|

Well you have some strange way of retorics in your country...
We Dutch still think difrent...
so you think it's also the same when a kid in your street died after he was run over by you inside your car by excident or if somebody dilibertly drove that kid over????
Get real man ... In court that ways havy so does it real live...

[Uninen]

What To Do
with
Arafat's Stinking Carcass

http://masada2000.com/meatgrinder.jpg
Step one

http://masada2000.com/feed-the-dog.jpg
Step Two

Yeah, people like this. :bash:
Whats up guys? :cantbeli:

[born_to_kill]

hes a ****in terrorist and you are a moron if you dont see that

[IDFM203]

Yeah, people like this. :bash:
Whats up guys? :cantbeli:

While indeed it is a bit juvenile the way he put it (with that pic), he is talking about arafat who himself in the past purposely and intentionally targeted and killed and supported the killing of innocent civilians as he and his orgnaisation has done now as well!!.

I have no problem wishing for the death of such an individual.

Oh and on the topic of this thread, I am appalled that there was ever such a pledge in the first place.

Gees till the U.S. makes a pledge to us that they wont harm Osama bin lauden, they shouldn’t be telling us not to harm Arafat.

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

hes a f*** terrorist and you are a moron if you dont see that

Even if thats how you see it, your earlier post still was quite distasteful. :|
And anyhow, killing him wont solve anything, just add more hate and violence.

[born_to_kill]

Thats what they said after we killed Yassin.. I see that the violence went down.

We cant let these assholes kill us and get away with it, even if it brings more bloodshed to both sides.

Oh yea another reason to kill Arafat

HEs a homo

http://masada2000.com/yaser.wmv

[IDFM203]

And anyhow, killing him wont solve anything, just add more hate and violence.[/color] and not killing him wont solve anything as well or lesson any hate.


He is a murderer of innocents and supports the targeting of them as well and as such he should get to him what he wishes and has acted onto us.

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

I have no problem wishing for the death of such an individual.

His an old and sick man..... he will die of natural causes anyhow..... soon..... so why kill him, like i said.... murder would only make things worse.

[born_to_kill]

He was an active terrorist back in the day and pretty much started the whole palestinian killing of jews thing.

And now he even has the balls to support these suicide bombers... Israel found plenty of documents in his compound to prove him guilty, and if thats not enough just get a satelite and put on the palestinian channel and watch his friday night speeches

EDIT: LOL thats what Israel said about Yassin, let him die of natural causes.. look how old and look how much damage that asshole has done

[Uninen]

Thats what they said after we killed Yassin.. I see that the violence went down.

You killed Yassin how long ago..... just a short while.... you have no idea what are they planning to do about it...... and certainly Yassin.... wasnt anymore anything else than "symbol" for the "terrorists", he wasnt anymore "leading" them.

[IDFM203]

I have no problem wishing for the death of such an individual.

His an old and sick man..... he will die of natural causes anyhow..... soon..... so why kill him, like i said.... murder would only make things worse.no they need to know that ANYONE that chooses to engage in killing of our innocents will get himself killed from us no matter who and how old he is.

As for murder making things worse, frankly I don’t see how they can get any worse and as such we need to make right in our security and in our deterrent to those that wish us harm as he does!!

Shalom :D

[SeanAshi]

SeanAshi , are you the JohnDavid from the RFF forum ?Same computer different person

[Uninen]

thats what Israel said about Yassin, let him die of natural causes.. look how old and look how much damage that asshole has done

Have you not seen Arafat lately, with his blue lips, and the whole shaking thing...... he has "natural death" writen all over him.... unlike Yassin who was just cripple because of football accident..... when he was a kid.

[born_to_kill]

http://masada2000.com/yaser.wmv

nuff said

[IDFM203]

Thats what they said after we killed Yassin.. I see that the violence went down.

[color=darkblue]You killed Yassin how long ago..... just a short while.... you have no idea what are they planning to do about it...... and certainly Yassin.... they were planning before and during and after…..no difference.

I repeat my post from that yassin thread to here as well for I think what I wrote there directly responds to a lot of the things that you have stated here!!




Yep we are after them big time!! :D


Oh and I remember last time after Yassin was killed, all the detractors here said it was a terrible thing because now Hamas will revenge blah blah or that it will just create more blah blah blah (as if they weren’t lining up before anyways :roll: )


The bottom line is this.

Hamas has been on a systematic campaign of terror for the past few years now and this whole notion of revenge for them is BS for they attempt and attack regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t do, the same is for their ominous announcements that Israel will pay big time for that too has been said from the beginning and it is always repeated so nothing new here.

Before the yassin killing they were trying and after they were trying….no difference in the amount of attempts from before and after.

Before Israel went after them a little over two years ago in a bigger way, there was a homicide bombing and shooting attacks almost daily and for sure weekly and now after the IDF actions, it has been dramatically reduced by over fifty percent to where even after yassin is killed and they said that Israel would pay for that immediately they couldn’t pull it off.

Of course I believe there will be another homicide bombing for there is no 100 percent ay to stop everyone, but we have limited them big time and are going to limit it even more with some of the bigger moves that we are making (the completion of the anti terror security fence and a few other things)


Shalom :D

[Uninen]

SeanAshi , are you the JohnDavid from the RFF forum ?Same computer different person

Of course. Same avatar, same style, same ****.... yet different person..... right...... :roll:

[born_to_kill]

Uninen please stop saying it will cause more violence.

The palestinians have and always will hate us , not matter what we negotiate no matter anything. They are always trying to kill us and will do so whenever they have the chance, Killing him did not add any hatred because these animals have the most possible hatred imaginable, Were just giving them a reason to justify a suicide bombing whenever they do one....

[Uninen]

IDFM203,

About Yassin...... because his gone, cause you killed him..... i "think" that Hamas is going to hit in much worse way that they would have hit had this not happened.... IE i think that they wont hit their usually "busses" this time, but something that will produce much more deaths..... i mean is Yassin really worth of 50 to 100 Israelis when without killing him "only that usual bus load of 20" would have been killed..... :|

Of course, im just guessing and the time shall show us, that did i actually "worth it".....

But i suggest that you leave Arafat alone. Like said killing him would anger "pals" but also all the rest of the world...........

And you really cant make it by yourselfs........

[born_to_kill]

dude just stop man.. If the palestinians would figure out a way to kill 100 Israelis trust me they would do it way before Yassin..

[born_to_kill]

The Arabs are not denied 'national rights' because there is not, and never has been, a sovereign nation known as "Palestine." The primary goal of Arab- "Palestinian" terrorism is not to achieve a military or even a political end. The goal is simply to kill Jews indiscriminately as an end in and of itself. Let's call it what it really is... a blood lust! This is what Arafat has tolerated, encouraged and practiced for his entire career.


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Many people have been persuaded to believe that the various Arab-Palestinian terrorist organizations were daring guerrilla fighters springing out of the Arab population within "Palestine," determined to regain their lost homeland from the cruel Israeli occupier. They were pictured as modern day Fidel Castros of Cuba, Che Guevaras in the Bolivian jungle, Mao Tse-Tungs of China or even American Revolutionaries! This is the type of characterizations that capture the imaginations of Europeans and Americans. But it is, in fact, a perversion of reality.


Is a terrorist someone who hates peace and just kills for the thrill of it? In the case of the Arab Palestinian terrorist, that could be. For nearly ALL of them, THAT'S the ONLY job they've ever held and they take this job very seriously! Their goal? By murdering and terrorizing Jews indiscriminately, they hope to drive ALL Jews from Israel!



The seeds of the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) were first sown in 1956 by an EGYPTIAN, Ahmed Shukairy. He was the guiding light of this terror group and is remembered today as the one who coined the organization's famous slogan about "driving the Jews into the sea." Yasser Arafat took control of the PLO in 1964. Some "Palestinian HE was for he was born in Cairo, Egypt! Arafat is also a not-too-distant relative of that convicted Nazi war criminal, Haj Amin El Husseini, the so-called "Grand Mufti" of Jerusalem. This was Arafat's weak connection to "Palestine!" FACT: The birth of this "Palestinian" nationalistic organization was unnatural in that it was conceived and nurtured from outside "Palestine."

Besides being committed to terrorist attacks against innocent Israeli citizens, the PLO was the most important member of the international terrorist network. It provided training, money, intelligence and weaponry for terrorist movements in Ireland, Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Italy, Africa, Asia and Latin America! The PLO left behind a trail of blood and an atmosphere poisoned with racist hatred over all corners of the world. In any conceivable trouble spot on Earth, they were always there, fanning the fires of death and destruction. And while at it, the PLO, together with their Arab allies, have been methodically and diligently spreading the virus of anti-Semitism under the guise of anti-Zionism.


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The PLO was actually an umbrella organization for various other factions:

1. Fatah, the largest, was founded in 1956 by a group of young Gazans. It was, and STILL IS, the military arm of the P.L.O. Among the young terrorists was Yasser Arafat. By 1968 Arafat was al Fatah's leader. Among the offshoots of Fatah was the infamous Black September which massacred the Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics. Rent the video, One Day in September, for stunning news footage of this horrendous brutality.

2. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was the second largest of the commando groups. It was founded in 1967 by George Habash. The P.F.L.P. carried out some spectacular skyjackings in the 1970. But 30+ years does not diminish their thirst for Jewish blood. In October or 2001, several of their operatives murdered the Israeli Government Minister Rechavam "Ghandi" Ze´evi.

3. The Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine split from the P.F.L.P. which it accused of not being militant enough. This group carried out the terrorist raid on Ma'alot in May of 1974 in which 21 young Israeli school children were murdered.

4. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command was another splinter group of the P.F.L.P. They were responsible for the 1974 incursion into Northern Israel in which 16 residents of Kiryat Shemona were murdered.

5. Al Saiqa was formed by Syria in 1967 and was tightly controlled by Syrian intelligence. Most of its terror participants were Arab-Palestinian refugees who fled to Syria during the 1948 and 1967 Arab-Israel wars.

6. The Arab Liberation Front, a minor player in the terrorism against Israel.

These were the original PLO terrorist splinter groups. The role they play today is rather insignificant compared to the new terrorists on the block... Islamic Jihad, al Aqsa Brigade, Hizb'Allah, Hamas, Tanzim and countless other ARAB terror squads that seem to spring up every week! But one face has remained a constant over the last 40+ years and that is the ugly face of Yasser Arafat... Godfather of Arab-Palestinian Terrorism. He may have renamed his PLO the PA (Palestinian Authority) and he may have been given a Nobel Peace Prize (the first one ever given to a certified mass murderer!) but beneath his facial stubble is the same old butcher of Jews. It must also be pointed out that most of the early Arab-Palestinian terrorist groups were formed BEFORE the 1967 Arab-Israel War... a defensive war against the combined armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan resulting in the so-called Israeli "occupation" of the "West Bank" (from Jordan), Gaza Strip (from Egypt) and the Golan Heights (from Syria). So unless it makes sense that the PLO and its various splinter terror groups were originally formed to get back territories the Arabs already controlled, then obviously, the "occupied land" was then, as it remains today... Israel itself!

The various Arab terrorist groups were then, and are still now, not freedom fighters...
They are gun-crazed Arabians itching to kill Jews!


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Israel and the PLO are not equal in more ways than power. Israel teaches their people that they have to live with the Arab "Palestinians" and to accept them; whereas the PLO teaches their people from the cradle to the grave to hate the Jews and to drive them into the sea. During every crisis, Israel used the media to call for Israeli restraint and moderation. The PLO, on the other hand, urged violence and more violence. The PLO orchestrated the violence whereas Israel only responded to that violence. Israel keeps their children at home to protect them, the Palestinians send them out into the street preferring martyrdom to safety. Israel made many compromises for peace, the PLO made none. Israel doesn't destroy religious sites, the Palestinians did when they occupied Jerusalem and they are at it again. Israel has a democracy whereas the PLO is authoritarian. Israel has a free press whereas the PLO controls the press. The PLO alone could stop the violence when they want to, but Israel can only defend against it. Israel absorbed all the Jewish refugees from the Second World War and from the Arab lands from which they were expelled in 1948. The Arabs kept their refugees in camps for fifty years. And on and on and on it goes. Same old, same old.


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LONG BEFORE ARAFAT, THERE WAS HEBRON...

The war against the Jews of "Palestine" began long before Yasser Arafat came of killing age and certainly NOT just after he became the acknowledged leader of the PLO. Spontaneous massacres of Palestine's Jews was the pastime of packs of roaming Palestinian Arabs which could be ignited merely by the urging of the local religious leaders. These brutal attacks occurred throughout pre-state Israel culminating most notably during the Jerusalem Riots(1929, 1936-9). One such example occurred in Hebron (1929) where hundreds of men, women and children were hacked to death by frenzied packs of wild Arabs.

The Jewish connection with Hebron goes back to Abraham and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua... long before it was King David's first capital. Hebron, the old capital of Judea, is the cradle of the Jewish nation. In 1929, Arab rioters with the passive consent of the British -- killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish community. There were no Jews patrolling the "West Bank then. There were no such things as "occupied Arab lands of 1967." There was not even a Jewish State in existence! In fact, there was nothing that the Jews did to contributed to the Arab hatred except one thing... they existed!

The Jewish presence in Hebron was completely destroyed but their property remained, awaiting their return. The Arabs transformed the Jewish neighborhood into a garbage dump and stockyard for animals. The ancient Jewish cemetery was turned into a vegetable patch. Jewish property was destroyed, ravaged and plundered, but the truth remained and the memory of the past survived. It is therefore logical to expect that when the Jewish people returned to Hebron in 1967, it was their G-d given moral entitlement to return to their city, to reclaim and recover their property, to prevent terror from overcoming a peace-loving Jewish community.


Above left, Joseph Hayyim Brenner, alive and well. Above right, Joseph Hayyim Brenner, a victim of Arab-Jewish "co-existence" in Jaffa ... stabbed to death during these riots presumably because of the land Israel would be forced to occupy sixty-six years later!

Arab riots and the ensuing massacres continued in 1929 and again in 1936-1939. To get some idea what an Arab massacre looks like, view the video of the recent Ramallah Massacres of those two Israeli reservists who were beaten, knifed, disemboweled, thrown out the Palestinian police station window, dragged through the street and finally burned.

For more information on the 1929 Hebron Riots
and its Jewish victims please click HERE and HERE


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YASSER ARAFAT HAS SO MUCH BLOOD ON HIS HANDS
That He Makes Osama Bin Laden
Look like a Punk!

By 1968, Yasser Arafat took control over Fatah. No one else has since had a knife sharp enough carve his way up to the top! His actual name is Abd al-Rahman abd al-Rauf Arafat al-Qud al-Husseini. He was born in Cairo, Egypt 1929 [Left Photo] but in 1939 came to "Palestine" at the age of ten. Majid Halaby was Arafat's school teacher in Gaza and introduced little Rahman to the pleasures of sodomy. Halaby named the chubby, effeminate little fellow, "Yasir" after Yasir al-Bira who had previously introduced him [Halaby] to homo******ity! The adopted the name Yasir means 'easy-going' and Abu Amar was named after a companion of the Prophet Muhammad. He shortened it to obscure his kinship with the notorious Nazi and ex-Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini.... the very same Moslem Religious leader who incited the massacres of Jews in the 1920s and 30s and later collaborated with Adolph Hitler! [Photo of Arafat. He's the fellow with purple lips and pubic hair on his face]

From his earliest days, Arafat has indulged in exaggeration and the weaving of myths about his life, insisting, for example, that he was born in Jerusalem even though his birth, in 1929, is clearly recorded in Egypt. He even speaks Arabic with a decidedly Egyptian accent. Perhaps he just forgot where he was born! (Maybe it was because he was so young at the time!) His parents were NOT "refugees" or "exiles." They had simply moved to Egypt in the 1920s … more than twenty years BEFORE the State of Israel came into existence! So if Yasser Arafat wants to fix blame where it belongs, he should be cursing on his parents’ graves for making the choice to leave Palestine and should stop blaming the Jews of Palestine who chose to stay and create a Jewish State!

One more thing... Arafat is a butcher of Jews. He is the biggest post-Hitler Jew-killer! This little savage is a certified criminal psychopath... a modern day "Creature from the Black Lagoon!"


Arafat is Gay (click this audio-video link)
More on Arafat's Homo******ity (click this WorldNewDaily Article)

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!" Jerry Seinfeld

He is also a certified child molester. Have you heard about the Romanian pedophilic orgies with young boys provided him by his host Caucescu and described in detail in the book, "Red Horizons," by Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the former head of Romanian intelligence. No wonder his wife Suha keeps Arafat's daughter stowed away from him in Paris!

Arafat is NOT the Prince of Peace as some would have us believe. Does anyone seriously believe that Yasser Arafat opposes the murder of Jews? The PLO and the PA, (Palestinian Authority...their new sanitized name since the 1993 so-call Oslo "peace" negotiations began) were created SOLELY to murder, remove or otherwise separate the Jewish people from the Land of Israel. In return, the Jewish people have no obligation whatsoever to provide this Arab Nazi with anything, much less another Arab Terrorist State!

One might also say, "But Arafat says he and his PLO/PA want peace." Well, perhaps they do. But their idea of "peace" is a Middle East WITHOUT a Jewish Nation. Be assured that what they say in English to the Western press is far different than what they say in Arabic to the Muslim on the street!

In an interview with the Dutch newspaper "Trau" (March 31, 1977), PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein said: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. These words could have come right from Arafat's mouth too!

Sure Arafat was delighted to shake the hands of so many stupid leaders, both Israeli AND American. Sure he loved to be treated as some foreign dignitary in the White House. And sure he was probably amazed to be given a Nobel "Peace" Prize soaked in Jewish blood. But remember this... with one phone call he could put the Muslim religious leaders on notice and within an hour every mosque loudspeaker would be turned on to full volume with the familiar words echoing forth, "Allah hu achbar; Itback el Yahud!" (God is Great; Slaughter the Jews!).



"Land for Peace?" How should this be described?
How about "Absurd?
How about "INSANE!"

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For more on Arafat Click HERE
The Case for Killing Arafat! Click HERE

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DOES YASSER ARAFAT REALLY REPRESENT THE "PALESTINIAN PEOPLE?"


Yasser Arafat: "I am willing to sacrifice 70 martyrs to kill one Israeli!"

As part of the 1993 Oslo "Peace" Accord agreement, Israel agreed to arm Arafat's "police force" with thousands of weapons to reign in the "extremist" Arabs. Are these words an example how Arafat and the Palestinian Authority reign in Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and the many other Arab-Palestinian butchers of Jews?

The average Arab strives to liquidate Israel. While it is true that there may exist more "pragmatic" and "moderate" Arabs who may make a tactical decision to lay down their arms today, this would be done ONLY to put themselves in a better position to destroy Israel tomorrow.

Israel will not win the war until she understands that Arafat and others like him are only a reflection of the "Palestinian" street. This may be a painful reality, yet it is the truth! The Arab "Palestinian" people have declared war on the Jewish people. They did this on the very day Israel declared her statehood on May 14, 1948. They must now be removed from any position where they could be of harm to Israel. Hostile Arabs must be removed from ALL of Israel if Israel wishes to regain internal security.

Does Yasser Arafat represent the Arab Palestinians? In a word, yes. But so do the suicide bombers of Hamas, Hizb'Allah, Islamic Jihad, FATAH, PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine),Tanzim, Force 5, al-Aqsa Brigade and all the other Palestinian "liberation movements" who wish to "cleanse" the land of Jews! In effect, the ENTIRE Arab-Palestinian population is one giant incubator for terrorism and thus share a collective guilt.

[IDFM203]

[color=darkblue]IDFM203,

About Yassin...... because his gone, cause you killed him..... i "think" that Hamas is going to hit in much worse way that they would have hit had this not happened.... IE i think that they wont hit their usually "busses" this time, but something that will produce much more deaths..... they have already targeted other bigger things besides busses BEFORE the yassin killing.

A week before the yassin killing they targeted some chemical plant that could have resulted in the deaths of hundreds.

They have in the past targeted our skyscrapers and other bigger targets as well.

No the fact is that they were doing this targeting before as well.

The only reason they haven’t succeeded is due to IDF and **** bet actions in intercepting a lot of these people before they could have carried it out and also the IDF actions in general which have limited their freedom to get the arms and also limited their ability to infiltrate a lot of those targets.

It’s a gross falacy to think they did not target big targets before and that as a result now they are for IMO they always have.



But i suggest that you leave Arafat alone. Like said killing him would anger "pals" no matter what we do we anger them

IMO us being here angers them.

The bottom line is that we should have killed him a while ago and I have no problem if we do it now.

He does not want peace and those that support him dont as well and IMO it is not more harmful to us if we kill him.


but also all the rest of the world........... with all due respect to the rest of the world who is angry at us regardless of what we do, any person that tries to kill us should be killed as the rest of the world kills those that have killed their own citizens as well.


If the world abandons us over that well what can I say other then I wont be so surprised, why do you think we make a big point on trying to make our own arms!! ;)

I can only hope that doesn’t happen but we need to defend ourselves and if our defense pisses off others, well let them be damned!!

Id rather live and have others be pissed of at us then not live and have you "love" us!!!

Shalom :D

[born_to_kill]

IDFM, Great post's man great posts...

http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/israel/pics/0690.jpg


These buildings were targets of a 9-11 style attempted bombing last year. Fortunately, Israeli intelligence uncovered the Palestinian plot.


Trust me uninen you wouldnt understand , but the palestinians are animals.. They hate us no matter what, even if we give them humanitarian aid.. They will try to strike at us whenever they can how ever they can.

[IDFM203]

IDFM, Great post's man great posts...

http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/israel/pics/0690.jpg


These buildings were targets of a 9-11 style attempted bombing last year. Fortunately, Israeli intelligence uncovered the Palestinian plot.


thanks for the compliments :D

yes good post here.

Indeed this skyscraper in Tel Aviv were targted and only due to Israeli inteligence was it prevented.

and this isnt the only big target that they have targted BEFORE the yassin killing.

Again just one exmple is a week BEFORE the yassin killing where they targted and had a homecide bomber blow himself up at a chemical plant and only on pure luck did he miss the tanks or something like that, which if he did would have been a huge attack.

Shalom :D

[born_to_kill]

Theyre trying to get the most deaths out of something, you forgot to mention that those animals tried using Aids blood in a bomb

[Sayeret]

Uninen said:


Stupidity can sometimes be entertaining....and IDFM203 actually has a sense of humor..... and its not like you guys have yet called me as "terrorist" or as "enemy" or what even worse... threatened to kill me yet.... unlike some Americans...

That'd be stupid if I accused you of being a terrorist or anti-semite. Even though I don't agree with you politically it doesn't mean your a terrorist or an anti-semite. It looks stupid to go around calling people anti-semites or terrorists just because they don't agree with Israel' policies and like IDFM203 said I don't know you well enough to believe that.

[Sayeret]

Also the Palestinian terrorists wanted to target the Pi Glilot gas and fuel storage facility and if the attack hadn't been thwarted it would of been a major terrorist attack.

I don't think this would be considered a major attack but also the Palestinians wanted to hijack two buses, drive them to the Church of Nativity and blow them up close to building to damage it.

[SeanAshi]

Of course. Same avatar, same style, same ****.... yet different person..... right...... Same computer different person, John is currently in Netanya, and Uninen quit avoiding the question what nationality are you?

[radon]

Finland. What does it matter anway. And most finns dont understand a word russian lol.

[Universal]

In response to comments made by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that his pledge to US President George W. Bush not to harm PA chairman Yasser Arafat, the Ramallah-confined Palestinian leader said that he is "fated to die as a shaheed (martyr)," Ynet reported Friday.

"I am a believer. My fate is that of the Palestinian people. I am fated to die as a shaheed."

Arafat made his comments during a meeting with Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi at his Ramallah compound.

Palestinian officials have expressed concern that Israel might attack Arafat, especially following the killings of the Hamas leaders in recent weeks. On Thursday, Arafat expelled 20 militants who had sought shelter at his West Bank headquarters, fearing an Israeli attack was imminent.

Nabil Abu Rdeneh, an aide to Arafat, warned that Sharon's "dangerous statements ... could push the whole region into tremendous danger."

"We call upon the US administration to clarify its position on these statements and to bear its responsibility toward this escalation," he said.

Sharon won't rule out attack on Arafat

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday that he is no longer bound by a promise to US President George W. Bush not to harm Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

It was the strongest signal yet that Israel could target Arafat, whom it has confined to his West Bank headquarters for two years. Palestinian officials condemned what they called Sharon's "dangerous statements."

In an interview with Israel TV's Channel Two, broadcast Friday, Sharon said he told Bush about his change of position in a meeting in Washington last week.

"I told the president the following," Sharon said. "In our first meeting about three years ago, I accepted your request not to harm Arafat physically. I told him I understand the problems surrounding the situation, but I am released from that pledge."

Sharon declined to elaborate and would not say how Bush responded.


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Arafat+humor/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.jr.co.il/humorpic/pc0067.jpg


Take that jewish army and shove it up your ass. :bash:

[SeanAshi]

Trust me, it wouldn't fit.

[Universal]

I'll make it fit, I'll throw sharon in there too.