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hist2004
02-08-2007, 01:15 PM
Iran's economic conditions deteriorate

Posted 2/6/2007

By Barbara Slavin, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — U.S. and Western pressure on Iran is squeezing its economy, feeding the inflation and joblessness that have swelled under its controversial president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Trade figures and other data have begun to reflect deepening economic isolation taking place as a result of U.S.-led efforts to penalize Tehran for what the United States alleges is the pursuit of nuclear weapons and sponsorship of terrorist groups.

For example, Iran's imports from Germany fell 14% in the first eight months of 2006, the German-Iranian Chamber of Commerce says. European Union countries account for 40% of Iran's imports, and Germany is Iran's largest European supplier, providing machinery, steel and electrical equipment, along with other goods.

German government export credits, used to finance trade, also fell by a third last year and are expected to drop again this year, said Ulrich Sante, a spokesman at the German Embassy in Washington.

"People who want to pursue legitimate commerce with the West will see that the policies Ahmadinejad is pursuing are leading to isolation and painting a more bleak economic future for the country," said Stuart Levey, U.S. Treasury undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence.

The United Nations Security Council imposed sanctions on Iran in December after Tehran failed to suspend uranium enrichment. The sanctions block exports that can be used in Iran's nuclear and missile programs and freeze assets of officials linked to those programs.

Separately, the Bush administration has cut off two Iranian banks from access to the U.S. financial system and dollar-based transactions on grounds that terrorists and weapons programs used accounts at those banks.

The United States has had no diplomatic relations with Iran and has restricted trade with Tehran since 1980, when Iran took U.S. Embassy personnel hostage.

Iran's economic challenges include:

•Banking restrictions. A half-dozen European banks have ended or restricted dollar dealings with Tehran to avoid jeopardizing business with the United States. Mohammad Jafar Mojarrad, vice governor of Iran's Central Bank, said most of the lenders continue dealing with Iran in other currencies.

Peter Pietsch, spokesman for giant German bank Commerzbank, said the institution halted dollar transactions with Iran on Jan. 31 but still conducts transactions with Iranians in euros.

Credit Suisse, a major Swiss-based financial services firm, stopped taking new clients in Iran in late 2005 "in light of the developments in the country … as well as to safeguard our reputation," spokeswoman Esther Gerster said.

•Rising import costs. Saeed Laylaz, a Tehran business consultant, said exporters require Iranian buyers to deposit the full amount of a transaction to obtain letters of credit, and that has added 8% to 12% to the cost of imports.

•Declining oil production. Oil Minister Kazem Vaziri-Hamaneh told the Iranian Student News Agency last year that Iran's annual oil output had declined by half a million barrels per day as the country struggled to pump from aging fields. Iran produces 3.9 million barrels per day and exports 2.4 million. Roger Stern, an economist at Johns Hopkins University, has predicted that Iranian oil exports could decline to zero by 2015 without a significant increase in investment or a decline in domestic consumption.

Mojarrad said Iran was taking steps to encourage new investment. He cited a $10 billion deal signed last month by Spain's Repsol and Royal Dutch Shell to develop an offshore Iranian field.

The Iranian economy continues to grow at a rate of more than 5% a year in inflation-adjusted figures, Mojarrad said. He said sanctions will hurt Americans more than Iranians by undermining the use of the dollar as a reserve currency, depressing its value and making U.S. imports more expensive.

Even before the latest sanctions, the Iranian president's rhetoric — calling for Israel to be destroyed — and defiance on the nuclear issue appeared to have a chilling effect on investment and trade.

Iran faced "a cooling off of the business environment in the last year because of the nuclear issue and the rhetoric" of Ahmadinejad, said Adam Pener of the Conflict Securities Advisory Group, a Washington-based consulting firm.

Laylaz said the sanctions have added to problems caused by Ahmadinejad's free-spending policies. Inflation — officially 12%, according to Iran's Central Bank — is likely to rise to 15% this year, Laylaz said.

Unemployment was 11.5% in the year ending in March, 1.2% higher than the previous year, according to the Iran Statistical Center. Food prices rose by a third from March to August, the cost of housing went up 14%, and the cost of medical care increased more than 18%, said Iran's Karafarin Bank, which provides overviews of the Iranian economy to the International Monetary Fund.

Joblessness rose in spite of a 37% increase in Iran's hard currency earnings, derived mainly from oil. Iran's oil revenue was $50 billion last year. Oil revenue, taxes on oil and other oil-related income financed more than 70% of Iran's government spending, according to Karafarin Bank.


Source: (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-06-iran-economy_x.htm)

Hist2004

Satellite Weapon
02-08-2007, 04:32 PM
maybe this will hurt their plans for getting nukes

ZaakM433
02-08-2007, 08:04 PM
I wouldn't count on it.

Victor1
02-08-2007, 09:15 PM
I wouldn't count on it.

Yep, see NK for example. But that will seriously twarth their capacity to finance and aid terrorist groups.

Silver Cup
02-08-2007, 09:18 PM
I still feel pretty bad for the people though. A failing economy can really hurt the civilian population.

Miles.
02-08-2007, 09:24 PM
Thank you, **** Cheney.

LRPV
02-08-2007, 09:33 PM
maybe this will hurt their plans for getting nukes

It could push the government towards greater militancy as its internal strife increases. A time honoured political tactic in these circumstances is to create an external threat to re-focus the citizens attention away from government ineptitude and onto a threat from abroad.

Miles.
02-08-2007, 09:35 PM
It could push the government towards greater militancy as its internal strife increases. A time honoured political tactic in these circumstances is to create an external threat to re-focus the citizens attention away from government ineptitude and onto a threat from abroad.

The government can get as militant as it wants. But when you run out of money to pay for guns, planes, parts, officers, troops...you're ****ed.

Ghostryder
02-08-2007, 09:38 PM
The government can get as militant as it wants. But when you run out of money to pay for guns, planes, parts, officers, troops...you're ****ed.

In nations that are falling apart, usually the last things to go, if at all, is money for that stuff.

Victor1
02-08-2007, 09:39 PM
I still feel pretty bad for the people though. A failing economy can really hurt the civilian population.

They voted for Ahamadinejad, they knew he was a radical extremist, anti-west, crazy ass, they had it comming, and yet they decided to vote for him. It was their call, therefor they should face the consequences of their decisions. As we all have to.

Miles.
02-08-2007, 09:50 PM
In nations that are falling apart, usually the last things to go, if at all, is money for that stuff.

Then maybe the Iranian people will hang the cocksucker along with the terrorist mullahs so they can eat and have jobs.

If not, **** them. The US didn't establish it's own freedom through nuclear blackmail, it hasn't worked yet, so why would they keep it going now?

Ghostryder
02-08-2007, 09:58 PM
Then maybe the Iranian people will hang the cocksucker along with the terrorist mullahs so they can eat and have jobs.

If not, **** them. The US didn't establish it's own freedom through nuclear blackmail, it hasn't worked yet, so why would they keep it going now?

It's tough to tell with countries like Iran, Ask 10 different political scientists what they think it'll be like 50 years along, you'll get 10 different answers

Well of course we didn't, but nobody ever said the early years of America were a shining example of democracy at work.

I say give Iran time.

Miles.
02-08-2007, 10:01 PM
It's tough to tell with countries like Iran, Ask 10 different political scientists what they think it'll be like 50 years along, you'll get 10 different answers

Well of course we didn't, but nobody ever said the early years of America were a shining example of democracy at work.

I say give Iran time.

1st point - True.

2nd point - I never said America is a shining example of anything but fake **** and McDonald's.

3rd point - How many of our guys have to die from Iranian IEDs? At least we can try to starve them out.

Lt-Col A. Tack
02-08-2007, 10:05 PM
I still feel pretty bad for the people though. A failing economy can really hurt the civilian population.

Sanctions never had a chance of working against Saddam Hussein's regime. Unlike Iraq, the government of Iran can't completely ignore the wishes or suffering of its citizens. Economic sanctions are a first step.

LRPV
02-08-2007, 10:38 PM
The government can get as militant as it wants. But when you run out of money to pay for guns, planes, parts, officers, troops...you're ****ed.

Not at all. Its called deficit accounting. My bank manager calls it credit. p-)

ZeroZen
02-09-2007, 12:50 AM
From a future prespective...the economic condition wont last in severe mode.
China invested a multibillion dollar on Oil production and refineries. Iran learned from the past and it will get worse when PRC has the Iran and African resource cards. my guess is they will be successful on getting what they are doing "prefecting Iran's nuclear technics" in the next decade. Its just a matter went US or the Ayatollah makes a move...

natsu-chan
02-09-2007, 06:20 AM
so guys, what's the consensus opinion?
do we wait this out, hoping that ahmabobbydinejad is replaced with a 'moderate' (like rafsanjani) or do we pull the trigger and conduct operations to setback the iranian nuke program?
i understand that a'jad sponsored candidates were heavily defeated in recent municipal elections and that there's a lot of grumbling about the soaring prices of local commodities (bread, fuel etc). also, a'jad has lost credibility in parliament and amongst the assembly of experts.
it will be interesting to see how this affects funding to 'hambullah' (hamas and hizb'allah) over the next year, since a lot of nasrullah's prestige is tied up to the promised reconstruction aid for southern lebanon.

natsu-chan
02-09-2007, 12:30 PM
here's bromwen maddox of the times;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/bronwen_maddox/article1355906.ece

from the article
"
In the past two months, Iran has been asking for payments for oil revenues and other exports in euros, not dollars. It is now believed to be conducting much of its foreign exchange transactions in euros or United Arab Emirates dirhams. The Government has also been reported to have been shifting its foreign-held assets out of dollars into euros. From one point of view, it is surprising that Iran should feel vulnerable: it is one of the world’s biggest oil producers; has a list of customers for that oil who are not about to walk away; and has enjoyed four years of unexpected high revenue from that production. "