Russian Chechnya online book

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

http://www.lib.ru/MEMUARY/CHECHNYA/chechen_war.txt

A good read on the Chechen war, not sure if its fictional or non fiction though.....if anyone has any info to add or share feel free.

[Kicius]

Maybe it isn't great piece of literature, but i really enjoyed it.
Fiction, or not - woot

Especially when you read it in original language.

Maybe our russian friend will share their opinion. :D

[16 OBr SpN]

The book is accurate. War plain and simple.
There are some moments which I doubt (especially about the Bank), but overall it is a good read.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Kicius]

16 OBr SpN, which "moment" about Bank?
If i can ask, of course.

[Javehn]

I have read it , and i have been talled the next things about the book :

1)He writes about storm of Dudayev pallace , and the battle inside. When in reallity the palace was abandoned by Chechen combatans , and there was no fight inside.

2) The way he writes a book , makes him look more like a soldier , then an officer (what he claimes to be ) .

3) It said that the book was written , as a personal bad feelings of author towards Russian leadership behavior in the conflict . So he falsifies several matter inside his memuars .

Never the less , the book is very interesting , and insightfull .

[Dennis G]

dukhi a nickname for the Chechen rebels

makhra a nickname for the Russian infantry


Whats this in English?

[Javehn]

dukhi is gost on english . nick for chechen fighters . afgani fighter also called that way.
makhra is the nick for infantry . i am not shure why .

[Dennis G]

dukhi is gost


ok thanks Javehn


anyone know makhra?

[Vlad]

anyone know makhra?
I think makhra is derived from russian word mahorka, which means very cheap and crappy tobacco. It seems that infantry is called makhra due to their expendability.
I might be wrong thou.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

In the book it explains that they were Siberian "makhra" (basically they figured they were expendable). From there attitude they seem like conscripts, and they have a deep resent for any sorta Russian special forces.

[The Clip]

Shut, **** up. I have served there. With 16th motor Infantry from 2001 to 2002. This is bul****, entertaining to the reader but bul**** to a servicemen. If you have any questions about me or any of my equipment. Ask?? Makhra means cheap but of very capable tobacco. It is what the rebels called us. We call them Dushmani, or Duki which mean ghosts or spirit.

[Javehn]

Ok , which part of his book you had a problem ?
The book is talking about Grozni storm of new year eve , and you saying you served there in 2001 to 2002 .

[The Clip]

If you are in a conflict area you get time taken from your military contract. Ask me anything about the rifle or my equipment. I had one friend who tripped a mina which took his foot. He gets a pension now for taking injury. He was very good man. Anybody who has been battle is a changed person. You see some terrorist ambush your convoy carrying supplies to a base trying to shoot at my people I ****ing get mentally unstable and use a Grenade from my Obuvka normal VOG-25 and fire in semi with Kalashnikov at terrorist until he and his followers down. I cannot say confirmed kills because a soldir neveer does.

[koster]

The regular infantry was nicknamed "Mahra" back in the WW2 I believe.

[Javehn]

The clip , а вот хули ты наёбываешь людей ? Что за чушь ты порешь невтемную ?

[Zmey]

Mironov's book is fictional at best. I seriously doubt that he was anywhere near the combat zone. His book incorporates several widely-known yet empirically unsuported "legends" such as that bit about "Dudayev and a sniper team", "Attack on the Dudayev's palace" and "DDT's Yuri Shevchuk's visit to the combat zone". I heard all three of those separtly, in no particular order or relation to each other. I heard those stories as a civilian in Krasnodar in 1994-1997. To further support my opinion that Mironov is full of ****, I can bring your attention to the fact that he never identified the regiment he belonged to or names of his immediate commanders that he hated so bad. All he said is that he was a part of "Siberian infantry". I see that as a cheap stunt to attract ignorant foreign reader. The reader for whom Russia is the land of "muzhik", "medved" and "samovar". Siberia is not a city or a village... its a landmass the size of the continental U.S. To say that one is from "Siberian Infantry" is to say that he never served a day of his life.

Mind you, neither did I. Stated above is my opinion based on prolonged research and concurring opinion of authoritative people from ViF2ne. I stand to be corrected if any of you can come up with EVIDENCE to support Mironov's bull****.

Regards.

Z.S.

[Kicius]

As i said before - even if it's complete fiction i enjoyed the book.

Guderian wrote in his book about polish cavalrymen attacking tanks with sbares and lances - it is complete BS - but it doesn't mean that book is worth nothing.

[Zmey]

Point taken. But wouldnt you agree that when person writes fiction about a subject and later sells/misprepresents it as the truth to the point when it takes veterans and historians weeks to decypher his lies - we can say that such author is a fraud? Be is Guderian or Mironov. They claimed their books to be memouars, while in actuality they are fiction...

By no means a sermon... it just rubs me the wrong way. Reminds me that "buyer beware" applies to literature as well.

Regards.

Z.S.

[Javehn]

Zmey , can you point me to that VIF discussion ?

[The Clip]

Sam takoi, eobane. Poshol nahooy, Suka zdohni chechenskaya zaraza. :-*$ :fork: :bash: rofl

[RomanS]

I've talked to Mironov personally many times. He confirmed to me that if he would write everything how it was, it would be only 5-6 pages. He was asked to be more dramatic, and descriptive towards everything he did. THere is some fiction to the storry, but which book doesn't have it? But over all it is the truth. He's not the only friend of mine who stormed Grozny in January 95.

I know a lot more people, and they all shared similar storries.

As for "mahra" - Мотострелковая Пехота

Yes mahra also means tobaco, but tobaco has nothing to do with the name. When you add 2 words together Motostrelkovaya Pehota, the word mahra came to mind. Its old, and was since the WW2.


The Clip you served with 16 Motor Infnatry what? Division? Regiment? Company?

Where in Grozny were you guys? And since when did you all start using GP30? Obuvka, LOL ........

[16 OBr SpN]

The Clip:

Care to give me your name, rank, and unit!? Give me the name of your Batttalion or Company Commander!
PM me this info ASAP!! Otherwise stop this ****!!

While ignoring your obvious fock-ups, I'll give you a benefit of doubt. At least for now...

[The Clip]

Ridavoi Alexi Maximov nas nozeevali "zeloni cherti" Green Devils. Sestnatstoie motornaya Pyhota. I have photos but no scanner. I wore camo called "Flora." wore a bandana or Balaklava, winter Balas are easy to get. Steal them from rebels who used them to take hostages. Commander was Capitan Dima Ivanov. When rebels attacked they were mostly explosives. They cannot shoot a rifle properly, their elbow is above the shoulder when hand is on the pistol grip!!!! Eyobane!!! If you have question about the rifle AK-74M or uniform and asault vest?? When they fire a shot they shout "Allah Akbar." Guys in my unit said "Zadkneese Musulmanskaya zaraza." Explosives is their primary weapon, being under fire not as bitg threat as explosives. I always have my AK on semi or OD, last setting to thwe bottom. Scum are cowards and deserve death. :-*$ We were taught to strip the AK in 5 seconds fully. To assamble is 10 seconds but you can still go into cambat without the top reciever but it makes rifle look bad. Top reciever is diddicult to put back on when in hurry.

[koster]

Рядовой you mean :lol: ?
Sestnatstoie motornaya Pyhota
Вы что, на моторных лодках плавали?
If you have question about the rifle AK-74M or uniform and asault vest??
LMAO, I'm sure 16 OBr SpN wants you to teach him something about AK-74M, and asault vest.
:lol:

[The Clip]

Niet durak, Na tanke, na convoy ile armeiski Jeep.

[Russian Texan]

Clip, chances are, you are not even Russian but just using an online translator to write your BS... ;)
Kid, you have never served nor been to Chechnya, so please quit it.

To the rest of the board members: Clip is a child with a sick mind and a "wondering" imagination. Please ignore him, don't respond to his flames and don't take anything he says seriously. Thank you.

[Kicius]

There were, are, and will always be guys like him.

But his "unit names" are quite funny. ;)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Maybe "the clip" is "Red Russian" from Russian Federation Forces rofl

[anonymous individual]

He has to be because they are both jerks.

[RomanS]

ужас, ну как же так можно?

[koster]

There were, are, and will always be guys like him.

But his "unit names" are quite funny. ;)
No s**t mate :lol:

[Kicius]

Koster wrote

No s**t mate

:oops:

Belive me, I used to be a moderator in polish forum about combatives.
Clip's stories about Chechnya are nothing compared to the stories:
"I was assaulted by 15 guys, I killed 10 and 5 of them ran away"

Regards

[The Clip]

I don't not tell stories! :bash: I am telling you real actions. Example, when ambushed by rebels we normally get out of the vehicl and try to get cover, foolish Russian-Texan. You accus me of being kid and I think you are!! I will say this, Without friend you will not surviv in Chechnya. I do not know how many rebels I shot but you never do from a distance because the asault rifle does not allow you to confirme you shot someone. :| What do you want, pictures?? Will try to get scanner. I da ja rusky a ti amerikanitz. What do you want to know, I already said all I can to confirme I was there. Most casualties com from explosives and no rifles.

[Javehn]

Сука , вот до чего есть долбоёбы на белом свете .

Clip , i am Pm'ing this **** to moderators , hopefully to kick your ass on the curve.

But first i would like to see the pictures . So please , get a scanner , and get the pictures .

Интерресно откуда он картинки спиздит , эта овца .

[The Clip]

Ja ne speezju!!!! O menja yest!!!

[Javehn]

Ahh , and by the way , your Russian , yes ?
It's very good . Where from are you ?

[The Clip]

Iz Urala. :) From the Urals, Gorod Zlotoust. I kept my rifle without the obuvka AK-74M

[Javehn]

Пермский , слышал эту овцу ? Он типа твой бывший сосед .
Давай , подкалывай придурка .

The Clip , why you don't use the Russian keyboard ? And Russian Language ? We all know each other , it's ok . You can trust us .

[The Clip]

On nebudit menja podkalovat!!! Ja ne znaioo kag ispolsovat Rusky keyboard, Ja imeju vidu shto oo menja na angliskom, Ja V Tolliatti koopeel. Yesly hochish menja podcalovate noo, budet poteri vremenje! :bash: rofl

[Zmey]

Джавелин, на счет Миронова... зайди на http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/ да задай в поиске "Миронов" и будет тебе щастье. Эта дискуссия там продолжалась чуть ли не год. Тов. Клип, разводит нас как лохов, в игнор кАзла.

Ты сам откель будешь?

Бывай.

З.С.

[Javehn]

Я сам из Изера , а в натуре из Баку .
Только мой ник не Джавелин :lol: .

Я поищу там ... А насчет клипа , щас Пермский придет , вроде его сосед , и раззведёт етого лоха как нех делать .

Насчёт Миронова , тут один мужик с форума сам с ним по телефону выяснял дела .

[Upfrontreporting]

If you want to speak/write russian go to a Russian language website.



regards.

[RomanS]

так блядь

Clip, ты заебал конкретно уже.

Какой на хуи Златоуст. Это тот что в Челябинской области? Пиздец мужик даешь. С географией России у тебя Х У Е В О. Какой блядь в жопу Урал. Ты в горах там жил чтоли?

Причем тут Тольяти? Я твой язык еле понимаю, ты же Русский. Где ты сейчас находишся?

Ладно, хуй с тобой. Сидел я тут смотрел на ету хуету яйца чесал, теперь прав Джавен, ща разведу тебя как щенка позорного.

А позорного потому что ты пень тут наших ребят позоришь, своей хуеплеткой.

Кто тебе блядь разрешил хранить боевое оружее, тем более в калибре 5.45

Ты долбоеб хоть понимаешь что ты сейчас просто залетишь по 222ой статье УК РФ незаконное хранение оружия. Три с половиной года.

Ты хоть сам то представляешь себе что на територии Российской Федерации калибер под патрон 5.45х39 запрещен при использовании гражданскими лицами в любых целях его хранения. Я законы наши очень хорошо знаю. Этот калибер принят на вооружение МО, МВД, ФСБ РФ и считается главным боевым калибром.

Какой распиздяй в МинОбороне тебе отдал АК-74М, а тем более с подствольником. У тебя чайник блядь еще на плечах?

Даже простой солдат из какого нибудь строй-бата 100 раз подумает прежде чем тебе магазин от автомата продать. А ты бляд тут пиздишь что у тебя дома целый автомат с граником.

Хотя хуй тебя знает. Сейчас любой гражданин в России может зайти в спортивный магазин и купить себе ММГ (Макет мало габаритный) любого ствола. От АКМа хоть до ДШКА.

Все настоящее оружие, но де-милитаризировано, тоесть простверлин ствол, дырка в газовой трубе, болт приварен к затвору, без забойной иглы, зам затвор обрезан, и магазин кастрирован до такой степени, что туда никакой патрон не влезит.

Также продают ММГ ГП-30. Ето все без проблем купить в России. Но за чем пиздить что у тебя дома рабочее оружие?

Ну че давай про армию и Чечню с тобой побеседуем теперь?

К какому округу у тебя был призыв? В какой учебной части ты проходил учение? К какой дивизии тебя приписали? К какому округу относится дивизия? В каком полку ты был? Номер своей в/ч ?

Все свыше заданые вопросы не разглошают твою личную информацию. Я не спрашиваю номер твоего в/б или ФИО. Все заданые вопросы докажут твоую причастность к МинОбороне РФ, и без труда должны будут отвечены.

Дальше, мы продолжаем нашу беседу.

Под каким режимом тебя ввели в Чечню? Ты по срочной службе пошел или по контракту?

Кто командующий вашего полка, или дивизии хотя бы? Кто был главком ОГВ в Чечне 2000-2003?

Как вы входили в Чечню? Через какой город, и где у вас был Глав Опорпункт?

В какой области Чечни вы проходили службу? Есле в Грозном, то значит в Ханкале у вас должен быть свой пункт. Назови.

С какими частями ВВ и МВД вы работали, помогали и вообще кого вы в Чечне заменивали?

Есле не сложно с какими НВФ вы сталкивались? С чьей группой? Есле в Алхан-Калинском районе Грозного, то ты бля должен знать что за полевой командир был костью у вас в горле там.

Какя специальность у тебя была?

Расспиши мне свой боевой расчет связаный со званием и конечно же специальностью.

Поделись с нами своей аммуницией, что вам выдавали и какая кличка у бушлата есле зимой там был.

Короче ето только начало.

Мы, с нетерпением ждем твоих ответов.

[oldsoak]

Can someone translate that please ?

[Javehn]

No .

We don't want to make The Clip works easy on his online Swedish Russian translator .

After his responces , then yes .

[oldsoak]

Bah, just when the fun starts......

[Bootneck]

Let them take care of this. It should be fun.

[Undo]

That was a gauntlet being thrown down. Basically asking for general info that Clip should know if he was in the Russian army. Unit numbers, entrance/exit points into Chechnya, issued kit, etc.
Questions anyone who actually served should be able to easily answer.

[RomanS]

Ill throw some more wood in the fire.

Clip, you say you were in 16th motor Infantry

which in Russian you said you were operativenaya gruppa 16stovo peredvisnoi otriad "zeloni cherti" (i love the grammar)

The only unit with number "16" that comes into mind is 16-я отдельная бригада Специального назначения
16obr SPN

but we don't wanna go there lol

[RomanS]

16 obr

bro,
speaking of your guys.

I always had major respect for you guys, and would put a bottle on a table if I ever meet you to tell you THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ALL DID. You accomplished miracles in the first war, and we are proud of you guys forever. My kids sure will know about you with pride.

But one tragic note comes to my mind is the 370th separate unit of your brigade.

Am I correct that on the 14th of January '95 the 370th unit was killed, when they were sleeping in the building near the hospital in Grozny? The animals blew up the whole building with explosives without even knowing that your guys were there?

I'm not sure about the exact number of casualties, but I think some 13 officers were killed?
I always wanted to know the details about it, because those guys spent the entire day fighting, and died as HEROES.

Could you tell me more about this night?

Thanks brother

[The Clip]

Ja nebil B Spetsnaze!! :roll: Motornaya Pyhota. :hug: You are right, they are animals. My comrads call them "Musulmanskaya Zaraza." Most enemy contacts we win all the time. They always use mines and explosive from terrorists. When mine sweeper, sweeps road. Rebels come after and plant lots of mines in the same place on a main road. Whenever ambushes happen they happen to the younger guys, they freeze up because of the loudness and ferosty of battle then they get wounded or dead. If rebels are in house they get lots of cooked grenades through the window or the door. or somone gets pissed and RPGs them through the window. They get supported by ****ing Americans. Lots of them wearing American ****ty camo. Also using stinger missil to shoot at personnel target, very ineffective and dead before lock on can happen rofl rofl rofl

[RomanS]

Ja nebil B Spetsnaze!! :roll: Motornaya Pyhota. :hug: You are right, they are animals. My comrads call them "Musulmanskaya Zaraza." Most enemy contacts we win all the time. They always use mines and explosive from terrorists. When mine sweeper, sweeps road. Rebels come after and plant lots of mines in the same place on a main road. Whenever ambushes happen they happen to the younger guys, they freeze up because of the loudness and ferosty of battle then they get wounded or dead. If rebels are in house they get lots of cooked grenades through the window or the door. or somone gets pissed and RPGs them through the window. They get supported by f*** Americans. Lots of them wearing American ****ty camo. Also using stinger missil to shoot at personnel target, very ineffective and dead before lock on can happen rofl rofl rofl

Can you answr my questions above please?

[Undo]

Also using stinger missil to shoot at personnel target, very ineffective and dead before lock on can happen rofl rofl rofl


Bing bing bing bing....BS meter is going nuts. Also, "cooked" grenades? Anyone with military service ever "cooked" a grenade? I have never met anyone who was dumb enough to trust a grenade fuse. Done plenty in video games, which I begin to think is the extent of your actual military service.

Answer Permskii's questions.

[RomanS]

Also using stinger missil to shoot at personnel target, very ineffective and dead before lock on can happen rofl rofl rofl


Bing bing bing bing....BS meter is going nuts. Also, "cooked" grenades? Anyone with military service ever "cooked" a grenade? I have never met anyone who was dumb enough to trust a grenade fuse. Done plenty in video games, which I begin to think is the extent of your actual military service.

Answer Permskii's questions.

LOL

YES

questions

ANSWER THEM

[RomanS]

Motornaya Pyhota.

dear GOD

[koster]

Motornaya Pyhota.

dear GOD
Я же говорил, чувак на моторной лодке плавал :lol:
им наверное катера вместо брони выдавали.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

:lol:

When I started this thread I had no intention of it turning into this, so my apologies. If I remeber there is some chapters that still need to be translated from russian into english....too bad I have absolutely no Russian language skills at all :(
the bastardchild

[koster]

Too bad that you don't understand Russian... or you'd be laughing your a** off.

[RomanS]

Too bad that you don't understand Russian... or you'd be laughing your a** off.

I second that

[RomanS]

Motornaya Pyhota.

dear GOD
Я же говорил, чувак на моторной лодке плавал :lol:
им наверное катера вместо брони выдавали.

Here is 16th MOTOR IN CHECHNYA

Sunja 2002
(after they cleaned it up)
http://www.trademarine.ru/marintek/images/sun455_2.jpg

[RomanS]

The CLIP

answer my questions please.

People here are waiting.

[anonymous individual]

LOL

[Sergei]

Give the guy a break, he is a 13-year old wannabe who played too many computer games or read something about Chechnya from a few fiction books, and if he is indeed Russian, than I am Mickey Mouse.

[The Clip]

I started service from 2002 and we were not informed about activitys of special forces in the first war. Hear some about the second war. :roll: Cooked grenades we usually left for 1 second then thrown along with GP-30 support from other squad member. We used standard RGD-5 or F-1 along with VOG 25 support iz granatameota. We never hold for more than 1 second. Trusting a fuse is not issue here. Ja nebil V guuppa spetzalnova noznocheniya! :bash: Slushay moie slova, harasho. :bash:

[koster]

Dude, just STOP IT !

[Sergei]

I started service from 2002 and we were not informed about activitys of special forces in the first war. Hear some about the second war. :roll: Cooked grenades we usually left for 1 second then thrown along with GP-30 support from other squad member. We used standard RGD-5 or F-1 along with VOG 25 support iz granatameota. We never hold for more than 1 second. Trusting a fuse is not issue here. Ja nebil V guuppa spetzalnova noznocheniya! :bash: Slushay moie slova, harasho. :bash:

Деточка, слово "Хорошо" пишется через "о", ты че грузином заделался? Или в школе плохо грамматику учат?

[RomanS]

Everyone please ignore the liar.
the CLIP must be now ignored.

He can't answer simple questions about his service, and he feeds on our replies to him.

From now on, I ask all of you to ignore him and he will go away on his own.

Thank you

[The Clip]

Sam takoi, Hahol. Ti shto philologichesky fakultet MGU zakonchel???? :bash: rofl ooo tu tu, sorry don't understand ukrainian!! :bash: