PDA

View Full Version : Best Goretex Jackets: U.S., British, German?



leatherneck
02-10-2007, 09:55 AM
For those that have seen some of these jackets and can make comparisons, which military has the best goretex jackets: U.S., Germany, Dutch, or British.
I've seen the German goretex and they seem really thin, but a little more quiet than other goretex jackets. What one would you recommend?

flanker7
02-10-2007, 10:00 AM
I would recoment the Norwegian gore-tex suit.:)

I use the US ECWCS and the Arktis waterproof suit. The US is stronger made but the Arktis is more comfortable and quiet. I've never used the Norwegian in the field but it looks superbly made

K3rmit
02-10-2007, 11:34 AM
French CEC jacket.

I got one for Xmas from the wife, and took it for a two week shunt round the scottish highlands.

Robust, extremely well made, and a hood that defies description: Its deep, got an excellent visor on it, toggles down nice and snug, and kept me extremely dry in even the most extreme down pours we had.

Under arm pit zips are fantastic on it (coming down to the elbow) nice pocket lay out.... Oh I could go on and on, but if you can get your hands on one of these you cannot go wrong.

If you want to have a look ill post some pics for you. : )

sabersix
02-10-2007, 11:36 AM
I've used the US (Marpat issue), Brit issue and Aus issue jackets.

The Marpat one definately comes out on top; it's quiet, and the pockets are more functional than the others.

jsb
02-10-2007, 11:42 AM
I own all of them
Usa version real gore, durable, great vent pits, great pockets ,super hoodieand exellent zipper
German version 3-lagen-laminat thin, quiet ,bad pockets,bad hoodie and bad zipper
British version real gore best defence,hoodie with memory wire super,pockets ok and graet zipper
Dutch version I own 6 different versions the first cotton outside bilaminaat insert, quiet , loose hoodie real bad.ok pockets
Second version quiet cotton outside, no hoodie pockets ok and great zipper
Version 6 trilaminaat great hoodie with memory wire,good pockets.
Spain zero points bad bad jacket
NR UNO US VERSION
And the pants is the german the winner by miles
The zipper is important, because cold fingers rough touch.
jaaja bad english

Gomez
02-10-2007, 11:50 AM
What's the NSN of the British Jacket? Any Photos?

hammerlock
02-10-2007, 12:02 PM
This the OD version, but I would say the canadian jacket is the best by far. Of course I've only used canadian stuff in the field, but its gets damm cold here abd it worked great.

K3rmit
02-10-2007, 12:14 PM
Sorry, realised French jacket not in the origional list.

Deleted all pictures and details.

wbear
02-10-2007, 03:24 PM
Marine APECS (all purpose enviornmental clothing system)

Best Camo (your choice, digital Woodland or Desert)
Stowable Hood, adj draw string collar, waterproof zippers,
2 chest map pockets, 2 large storage pockets, hand warmer pockets,
Hem and waist draw strings hidden in pockets, 2 shoulder pockets, reinforced elbows, no lining for lighter weight and better layering,
pit zips, properly cut for layering, 3 ply real gore-tex. Trousers built similar. Parka $190, Trousers $90

Limeyfellow
02-10-2007, 04:09 PM
What's the NSN of the British Jacket? Any Photos?

http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/jacket_dpm_gt.jpg

http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/gore-textrs.jpg

Not sure what the NSN for it is. The only thing I tend to dislike is the lack of pockets, but I guess thats one of the reason you wear the soldier 95 combat jacket over the top of it, as well as cutting down on noise.

noneck11
02-10-2007, 05:05 PM
The Canadian jacket is CRAP! It's mediocre if you only have to stand around a la Yugo 1993, or if you are working in garrison.

It's extremely thick and will not breathe, the goretex is underneath the top layer of poly/cotton. The jacket soaks up water and weighs about double once soaked.

It is no way comes close to the Brit, US or German jackets, which are all shells under which you can layer. The closet we have to a goretex shell (At the moment), is the airforce CADPAT shell issued for all working on the flight lines.

Until such time as the army issues a CADPAT shell (Which is in the works) , CF land forces soldiers will either continue to wear stealth suits under their combats or steal the jackets of their airforce brethern.

Cheers
Noneck

leatherneck
02-10-2007, 05:51 PM
The Canadian jacket is CRAP! It's mediocre if you only have to stand around a la Yugo 1993, or if you are working in garrison.

It's extremely thick and will not breathe, the goretex is underneath the top layer of poly/cotton. The jacket soaks up water and weighs about double once soaked.

It is no way comes close to the Brit, US or German jackets, which are all shells under which you can layer. The closet we have to a goretex shell (At the moment), is the airforce CADPAT shell issued for all working on the flight lines.

Until such time as the army issues a CADPAT shell (Which is in the works) , CF land forces soldiers will either continue to wear stealth suits under their combats or steal the jackets of their airforce brethern.

Cheers
Noneck

Yes, I should consider the stealth suit also. All the Canadian guys usually say it's the best bit of kit they've ever purchased. I just don't know how durable it would be if it's just the pure Goretex membrane.

K3rmit
02-10-2007, 06:58 PM
Sorry, will not post in forums until I understand the origional question: You didn't ask about French kit, so i deleted all the details.

leatherneck
02-10-2007, 07:16 PM
Sorry, will not post in forums until I understand the origional question: You didn't ask about French kit, so i deleted all the details.

Dude, I just wanted suggestions on military goretex jackets and what people thought were the best ones. You didn't have to edit your info, and it's not limited to the ones I mentioned. Those were just the ones I could think of at the time. I will say, it must be pretty hard to find the French ones in America though.

noneck11
02-10-2007, 08:35 PM
LEATHERNECK-

Most Cdn troops that wear the stealth suit, wear it under their top layer of cbt clothing to both protect the thin membrane and protect them from the uniform nazi's.

I used to use the OG German Goretex rain jacket in the same manner.

Cheers
Noneck

California Joe
02-10-2007, 11:45 PM
Easy now Kermit, this is the gear section, that kind of info is welcome. No need to worry about editing something useful.

Ground Pounder
02-10-2007, 11:53 PM
Yes, I should consider the stealth suit also. All the Canadian guys usually say it's the best bit of kit they've ever purchased. I just don't know how durable it would be if it's just the pure Goretex membrane.
Truly the best peice of kit I have ever purchased. I Have been abusing mine for 7 years and its still keeping me dry

Roy Batty
02-11-2007, 09:46 AM
http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clothing/reccesmock.html

Pricey, but if you can afford it guys say great things about it.



and X2 on the Stealth Suit. Best money I ever spent on aftermarket kit.


Another here
http://www.oneshottactical.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=oneshot&Product_Code=CL-17-100507&Category_Code=CL-DZ

Dutchman2
02-11-2007, 11:03 AM
I used the Dutch Gore-tex (or bilaminaat like we call it) in the army, and now in my civil work as a maintenace repair guy. You can realy lay down in a pool of water and come out dry without sweat. It has nice zipper pockets which are deep and covered with a flap. In the inside (between the zipper and the clossing flap. you don't have to open your jacked) it has a very deep pocked for a map ore something. The hoodie is attached to the jacked and won't rain in. it's pretty quite. The jacked is still dray after 10 years of active service. I don't know about the other jackets, but I know the version we use is just good and durable made. It works.
The first version (cotton jacked and bilaminaat inner with loose hoodie) is crap.
If you want a pic of my jacket, send me an PM and i mail you some pics.

greets,

roger

Ubar
02-11-2007, 11:42 AM
Anyone got a link to these stealth suits?

leatherneck
02-11-2007, 11:57 AM
Anyone got a link to these stealth suits?


http://www.supplysergeant.ca/stealthsuit/stealthsuit.html

SamHamam
02-11-2007, 12:07 PM
What's the NSN of the British Jacket? Any Photos?

8415-99-869-2240 for size 180/104

Ubar
02-11-2007, 02:53 PM
mmm not quite as revolutionary as i had hoped :P

Hunterhr
02-11-2007, 03:11 PM
http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clothing/reccesmock.html

Pricey, but if you can afford it guys say great things about it.

Another here
http://www.oneshottactical.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=oneshot&Product_Code=CL-17-100507&Category_Code=CL-DZ

Those look so sexy in Multicam. Shame I'm a poor college student.

Catch22
02-11-2007, 08:54 PM
For cost effectiveness - get a II generation US issue (USMC) Goretex, its more sturdy than APECS and far better than I gen. Army issue. III generation PackLite in ACU is good for biking and not much more.

Grumpy Bastard
02-11-2007, 10:40 PM
Hmmmm, membrane & laminate kit. I'll take ventile any day or the week over gore/simpatex et al. Sometimes carry a zoot suit as a liner for non-water resistant kit though.

http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/Ventile.html?gclid=CNfbhKTnp4oCFRehVgodEllhpQ

Hilltrek seems to be the cheapest in the UK at the moment but there are others with more features & greater price.

grabie_bis
02-12-2007, 07:56 AM
Spanish one is based on french design. Have tried it along with US one. Prefer US as it has a thin fabric layer that makes it more comfortable. On the other hand Spanish one has a better hood design. IMHO.

Sheikh Al Stranghi
02-13-2007, 04:12 PM
I'd stay away from the Dutch jackets. They're not waterproof, and not very practical at all.

Thor
02-13-2007, 10:54 PM
FJS 02

Best choice (for tough weather) according to a few people that I trust. Price is around 1000 USD for jacket and trousers.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4343/mp01mrkerskjutningdy8ki5.gif

Separate winter version

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9559/pict01110sidp9.jpg

scrybe
02-14-2007, 01:06 AM
$1000 for a jacket? Holy hell.

I just bought a Gen 1 US ECWS for $56.

Thor
02-14-2007, 02:19 AM
For the whole set.. p-)

If you do spend a lot of time outdoors it's worth it, otherwise it's not.

scrybe
02-14-2007, 05:27 AM
Naw, just jacket.

With the rate that it rains here in the Willamette Valley in Oregon, trust me, a good goretex jacket is always money well spent.

I spent over $200 on each of my last two waterproof jackets, a Helly Hansen and a Columbia Titanium. $56 is pretty damn good.

East Scout II
02-14-2007, 07:35 AM
http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/jacket_dpm_gt.jpg

http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/gore-textrs.jpg

Not sure what the NSN for it is. The only thing I tend to dislike is the lack of pockets, but I guess thats one of the reason you wear the soldier 95 combat jacket over the top of it, as well as cutting down on noise.

I have this suit..I like it.

jsb
02-17-2007, 03:15 PM
these are the one,s ex the uk version thet one is in noorwegen
left to right usa. dutch ,dutch, german mammut spain.

grabie_bis
02-19-2007, 09:35 AM
these are the one,s ex the uk version thet one is in noorwegen
left to right usa. dutch ,dutch, german mammut spain.

ummm, Spanish one is not goretex but ordinary parka.

Dutchman2
02-19-2007, 01:04 PM
these are the one,s ex the uk version thet one is in noorwegen
left to right usa. dutch ,dutch, german mammut spain.


And the two Dutch jackets are also not Gore-Tex like in use since 1999. The left one is some sort of raincoat issued to the troops that where sended to Bosnia in the '90's, and the right one is the crap cotton jacket with waterproof inner (atleast it had suppost to be rainproof...) The new Gore-tex (bilaminaat like we name it) is great. I used it for years in the army, and still use it on rainy field work during my current job.

Fee Fi Fo Fum
02-19-2007, 01:16 PM
http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/jacket_dpm_gt.jpg


Not sure what the NSN for it is. The only thing I tend to dislike is the lack of pockets, but I guess thats one of the reason you wear the soldier 95 combat jacket over the top of it, as well as cutting down on noise.

Eh? You don't wear it under the smock.

Mr Gently Benevolent
02-19-2007, 01:18 PM
I have used the German Goretex top and bottoms for at least the 4 years and they do the job well enough, the French top and bottom gets rave reviews but it's fairly pricey.

I_hate_posers
02-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Nothing beats the canadian od rubber rain suit! Unless your in the airforce, I mean you need a cadpat tw suit on the tar-mac!

dapeng
02-21-2007, 05:17 AM
This is my goretex parka and pants of Austrilian Army.Is anybody like them?
http://photo.qingdaonews.com/club_album/up_files/2005-11-18/1132295046_21116.jpg
http://photo.qingdaonews.com/club_album/up_files/2005-11-18/1132295115_19602.jpg
http://photo.qingdaonews.com/club_album/up_files/2005-11-18/1132295152_23776.jpg
http://photo.qingdaonews.com/club_album/up_files/2005-11-18/1132295266_21896.jpg
http://photo.qingdaonews.com/club_album/up_files/2005-11-18/1132295790_11481.jpg

nickless
02-21-2007, 07:06 PM
Does anyone have any experience with the Dutch Goretex-Liner offered by SASS?

http://www.sasskit.co.uk/products/foulweatherclothing/stashawaysmockliners.htm

K3rmit
02-21-2007, 07:37 PM
http://www.transworldsurplus.co.uk/water_proofs.asp

French Jacket in all sizes going for £45 plus postage in the uk! This is my most favorite ever waterproof jacket, it is simply totaly the mutts nuts. Th trousers are freaking awesome, and together will keep you dry in the worst of the uk's rain and wind.

DAPENG, that aussie parka is the stuff of my wet dreams....wherte in Gods name did you get it from ...I WANT ONE!

nickless
02-23-2007, 08:24 AM
Does anyone have any experience with the Dutch Goretex-Liner offered by SASS?

http://www.sasskit.co.uk/products/foulweatherclothing/stashawaysmockliners.htm

Is there nobody who has that liner?

slobo
08-01-2008, 10:43 PM
I have much of it: US ECWCS 1st, 2nd (USMC) and 3rd Gen (Army ACU pattern), APACs (USMC digital), as well as Danish, Aussie, German, French (current and iniatial early 1990s issue), UK (S'95 and current 2005 version with velcro chest pockets, stowed hood & rank tab), Belgian. Including pants in most cases. Of it all, I think a prefer French and current issue 2005 UK. German and 2nd and 3rd Gen US also good.

If anyone is interested, let me know by PM and I give you sizes and condition (most are new, unissued) as I'm looking to pare back and will be selling some off soon. I'll be keeping my favorites but have multiple copies in some.

jsb
08-02-2008, 03:41 AM
Is there nobody who has that liner?

YES I own one with the original jacket.For the best result you need the parka with it.The set is 1 capuchon[head] 1parka 1liner weth weather 1liner coldweather.
The parka system was first isued in 93 .It was a big inprovemend but its is not gore-tex its a BILAMINAAD today there are some trilaminaat going around .But there is now a special rainjacket [parka wet weather]also in trilaminaat.

If you want 1 I think it will cost you not more than 10 euro here in holland.Yust the rain part.
Its availlebel in grey and in bleu.

From 1993 til today the dutch army did try to invent the wheel with the rainjacket.Ther are more than 10 kinds of jackets from bilaminaat to gore-tex.And thats alone fore Landmacht Groundforces.
The Marines have also got there models.
The current Army rainjacket is ok but lacks all the modern items .No zippers under the arm,no large map pockets.

Give me a call if you want one.
jeroen

Bombtrack
08-02-2008, 03:45 AM
Canadian.

http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_Gote-tex%20Jacket%20ODdotjpg

dersammler
08-02-2008, 06:37 AM
U.S., British or German?

i'd say u.s. genI/II

Gunge
08-02-2008, 08:55 AM
Marine APECS (all purpose enviornmental clothing system)

Best Camo (your choice, digital Woodland or Desert)
Stowable Hood, adj draw string collar, waterproof zippers,
2 chest map pockets, 2 large storage pockets, hand warmer pockets,
Hem and waist draw strings hidden in pockets, 2 shoulder pockets, reinforced elbows, no lining for lighter weight and better layering,
pit zips, properly cut for layering, 3 ply real gore-tex. Trousers built similar. Parka $190, Trousers $90

where can they be purchased?

dersammler
08-02-2008, 06:21 PM
sometimes on ebay. but most are quite expensive...

Rynnäkkökivääri
08-02-2008, 06:34 PM
Desert Camo APECS: http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=10783&tabID=2000

Only in Large Long too, but it's genuine stuff. There's also the ACU Goretex on the site too.

Rhodius3D
08-03-2008, 01:34 AM
After over 5 years in service and 4 years selling out door good. I know a bite about Rain wear. There is 3 kinds of Gore-tex ,Lady-Gore ( which is very light, used for street wear.) Street-Gore ( which most hiking jackets are made from.) and Army-Gore ( which as it name says is hard wearing and heave) Some Companys use 2 kinds of Gore-tex to make a jacket which is easy to move around in and stronger at weak points ( shoulders and elbows ).For me a guy who sweat a lot, I learned a long time ago that unlined Gore-tex is the best way to go. You also have to take into acount where you are. In Ireland i used the Greman OD Gore-Tex Jackets which was great. I could wear it under my Smock and keep dry and still had the use of all my smocks pockets. I later got to use an Arktis Waterproof smock ( which are not Gore-tex, works the same way but not Gore-tex!!) . Great Jacket and worked well in the Irish wet cold winters. But for the Summer days when it is a little hotter. I found that it was to warm and made me sweat which got me wet any way. The Greman Gore-tex worked out better as it could be worn on top with just a t-shirt under. I have now moved to Japan and i came with two Rain wear Jackets. One is my Arktis and the other is a French Gore-tex Jacket. I love the French Jacket, I can wear warmer clothing under it and in the warmer days i just wear the Jacket. I only use my Arktis now when i go Hiking in the winter as i have the maching pants and it keeps out the -4 cold on those winter hikes.

But in all i think any unlined Gore-tex jacket is always the best way to go. The British have a very good one now with 4 out side pockets which does well. The only US one i have seen here in Japan have all been lined and i try to stay away from these as i would just end up being wet inside and out.

wild_wild_wes
08-03-2008, 03:32 AM
Rhodius, sounds like you need a Soft Shell jacket.

Hippo
08-03-2008, 04:01 AM
that picture needs to be another motivational of Japan, producing 87% of the world's weirdest ****s

Rhodius3D
08-03-2008, 07:20 AM
that picture needs to be another motivational of Japan, producing 87% of the world's weirdest ****s


That frog at a very cute girl in side who would not leave me alone until she got the photo. ( Pitty my wife was with me !!)

Rhodius3D
08-03-2008, 07:22 AM
Rhodius, sounds like you need a Soft Shell jacket.


I got one this Xmas and use it under my smock. Its great small and i can keep it at the bottom of my day sack until i need it.

Lirelou
08-03-2008, 04:34 PM
Issued french army gore tex are bad (and not real goretex moreover), but you can find a lot of non issued parka, french camo, which are very good... but french military have to buy it. The CEC one isn't the issue type.
As far as I'm concerned, I use an Arktis rainshield, alone or under a smock. It's not very tough (that's why it's better to wear it under a smock), but it works well and it's lightweight, and that was that I wanted for commando course. I'm very happy with that combination, after one month testing it, every time on the ground, including two weeks of rain ...

Der Weisse Hai
08-05-2008, 10:04 AM
As a German Reserve Officer I am issued with the regular Flecktarn-Gore Tex. There could be more pockets, reinforced elbows an a more stable front-zipper. But it is sufficent to me.

When in duty - especially in very cold weather conditions - I also use a non officially issued Sympatex-Flecktarn-Parka which is very popular in the German Bundeswehr at the moment.

I also own the USMC APECS-Parka, the US ECWCS-Parka and a British DPM-Gore-Tex-Parka. They are all pretty good, the ECWCS is very comfortable in extreme cold weather conditions because of its lining.

The USMC APECS-Parka is my favorite: it combines a lot of pockets, reinforced elbows, and a comfortable design.

DWH

slobo
08-05-2008, 09:58 PM
As a German Reserve Officer I am issued with the regular Flecktarn-Gore Tex. There could be more pockets, reinforced elbows an a more stable front-zipper. But it is sufficent to me.

When in duty - especially in very cold weather conditions - I also use a non officially issued Sympatex-Flecktarn-Parka which is very popular in the German Bundeswehr at the moment.

I also own the USMC APECS-Parka, the US ECWCS-Parka and a British DPM-Gore-Tex-Parka. They are all pretty good, the ECWCS is very comfortable in extreme cold weather conditions because of its lining.

The USMC APECS-Parka is my favorite: it combines a lot of pockets, reinforced elbows, and a comfortable design.

DWH

Do you have photos or can you describe the non-issue Flecktarn Sympatex parka you use on duty? I'm intrigued.

Der Weisse Hai
08-06-2008, 05:37 AM
At the moment I only have a picture of the Shop where I have bought it.

http://www.recon-company.com/sitedesign/2_eshop/img/transdotgif

http://www.recon-company.com/BW_Goretex_Jacke_Taktik_Flecktarn-4453-617-d.html


It offers:

2 internal breast pockets
1 sleeve pocket
2 cargo pockets with additional side pockets
1 small internal pocket
The hood can be stowed in the collar

I guess the design is very similar to the French not officially issued Gore-Tex parka

Komalars
08-06-2008, 06:24 AM
http://www.raymears.com/Bushcraft_Product/360-Norrona-Recon-Jacket
http://www.raymears.com/Bushcraft_Product/359-Norrona-Recon-Pants

I use this one. Really good jacket, but at 1700$ (at least in Norway:-() per set, pretty pricey. It has got a lot of pockets, memory hood, big vents, and is very durable. Developed in conjunction with scandinavian special forces. When I was in the military we were issued with the helly hansen version of this, which because of price and other factors were absolute rubbish, and not representative of normal HH quality.

Alhill2488
08-06-2008, 09:36 AM
I have the British DPM smock, does the job when I'm in the field with the ATC, which isnt alot now I'm afraid. comfortable, warm and got lots of pockets and stuff to mess around with. Top stuff :D

wbear
08-08-2008, 10:02 PM
where can they be purchased?

What size do you want? I might be able to help you out.

slobo
08-11-2008, 08:31 PM
Can any sqauddies confirm that the current issue British goretex jacket has two chest pockets, closed with velcro flaps, a rank tab and different shell fabric w- darker camo? I believe theres a desert DPM version as well.

If this is current issue, can anyone comment on its qualities vs. the S'95 version it replaces without the pockets?

weka
09-27-2008, 07:48 AM
Agree the BW issue parkas are lacking, but the best pants are the BW olive drab ones the ankle ties are great. I could use mine as thiigh waders.

jsb
09-28-2008, 05:01 AM
I bought a new Gore Best Defense jacket .
see my earlieer post.

It,s the cold weather set for the Apache en chinook crew off the Dutch Army.The compleet set pants and jacket are new and only 100 euro.
the materials are Gore BD Paramyde and Meta armide and carbon.

Walker-69
09-28-2008, 05:19 AM
I have an Austrian army surplus Goretex jacket. It is plain olive in colour, very ugly (some weird white stains), but feels great. I could not be happier with it's performance. I paid something like 50 euros (~70USD) for it. It is not very thick, and maybe that's why it breathes so well. Of course I can always wear more clothes underneath if it gets colder.

dersammler
09-28-2008, 06:07 AM
which one? i guess the older m-65 style one. we've got a new one (pic). a little stiff but way better...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=479&pictureid=5344

Walker-69
09-28-2008, 06:46 AM
which one? i guess the older m-65 style one. we've got a new one (pic). a little stiff but way better...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=479&pictureid=5344

I guess it must be the older one then. I got it from www.varusteleka.fi, but now they don't seem to be showing it in their inventory any more.

leatherneck
11-30-2008, 10:19 PM
which one? i guess the older m-65 style one. we've got a new one (pic). a little stiff but way better...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=479&pictureid=5344

Can you vouch for the quality of the Austrian gore-tex bibs?
http://www.swisslink.com/products/product.php?id=680&sid=17

specialDFX
12-01-2008, 10:46 PM
I bought a new Gore Best Defense jacket .
see my earlieer post.

It,s the cold weather set for the Apache en chinook crew off the Dutch Army.The compleet set pants and jacket are new and only 100 euro.
the materials are Gore BD Paramyde and Meta armide and carbon.

That's really slick.


PM received, thanks.

AIRBORNEJOCK
12-22-2008, 06:03 PM
Can any sqauddies confirm that the current issue British goretex jacket has two chest pockets, closed with velcro flaps, a rank tab and different shell fabric w- darker camo? I believe theres a desert DPM version as well.

If this is current issue, can anyone comment on its qualities vs. the S'95 version it replaces without the pockets?

yes your right the new issue one is the exact same as the ol s95 one but has two velcro closed pockets on the chest and a rank slide and is in a slightly darker shade of dpm.cant pass judgement on them as ive only seen one.and it is also available in desert dpm.

personally i use the old issue one which has the button pockets and i large wire reinforced hood with a lot thicker material.

i just want to put it out there about this nonsense of putting your smock over the top is the biggest load of crap ive ever heard of as soon as the gore tex gous on the smock comes of you cant put anything in your smock pockets anyway as youve always got body armour covering there anyway........just my 2 pence worth.

i managed to swap a canadian ice jacket which is an awesome gore tex jacket for fishing but i wouldnt like to walk very far in it.

Lerch
12-22-2008, 07:48 PM
Yeah the ICE jacket isn't really that nice, you end up sweating more then its worth when you're moving a good distance. For my job on the guns though which is alot of standing around shivering, its nice p-)

Totoche08
05-30-2009, 12:52 PM
Hello everyone.

I am searching for a replacement jacket since my flecktarn parka isn't good enough to support rain and cold; I have the goretex rainsuit too, but it's not made to be worn byt itself, just as a layer over the parka.

So I was wondering if this product was good enough :

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/uscgt2na.html

I've find it interesting, and well built too; is there anybody who have the same type of jacket??

I would like to know if u.s. soldiers are issued this type of jackets?( I know ACU have copyrights so I guees this must be a civilian version of the real jacket; if there is one)

Anyway, thank you very much in advance for your help!

(sorry for my bad english hehhe)

Bisley_Bob
05-30-2009, 01:11 PM
Can any sqauddies confirm that the current issue British goretex jacket has two chest pockets, closed with velcro flaps, a rank tab and different shell fabric w- darker camo? I believe theres a desert DPM version as well.

If this is current issue, can anyone comment on its qualities vs. the S'95 version it replaces without the pockets?

I have been issued with one, its literally exactly the same as the older one but with two handy pockets which is nice. Having said that, I've had it for just under a year and have never actually worn the thing! I treated my smock with waterproofing agent, it lets some moisture through but is fine in anything other than *******ial rain.


you cant put anything in your smock pockets anyway as youve always got body armour covering there anyway........just my 2 pence worth.

With Osprey I agree, but CBA goes under the smock (it does in my unit anyway) so you can use the pockets.

Totoche08
05-30-2009, 05:04 PM
Got any help for me?

Bisley_Bob
05-30-2009, 05:22 PM
Got any help for me?

I'm sure someone who knows about that jacket will give you a hand, it hasn't even been a day since you asked the question so give it some time.

killa
03-22-2010, 09:32 AM
Reviving an old thread...

I have used the ECWCS Gen 1 parka actively in quite demanding conditions this winter (civilian outdoor use). I have to say that it's hard to believe that this outfit was first issued as early as in the 80's, it's that good. I would be really interested in getting my hands on the USMC APECS parka, just out of sheer interest towards well designed and executed military equipment, and for comparing how military Gore-Tex gear has developed in 20 years. Of course I'm aware of the USMC's strict policy protecting these items from being sold to civilians. It would be nice to hear some opinions on the said items from military personnel who have actually used them in the field.

Lasse
03-22-2010, 10:53 AM
I would recoment the Norwegian gore-tex suit.:) Only if you get it from a proper producer and not the Cato Ringstad crap.

For civilian use, I'd rather go with a proper brandname instead of some Mil issue stuff.

killa
03-22-2010, 11:26 AM
For civilian use, I'd rather go with a proper brandname instead of some Mil issue stuff.

Well, for starters I do own lots of civilian outdoor gear as well. However, for 50 euros it's hard to find a "proper brandname" product that would come anywhere close to the qualities of e.g. the ECWCS parka. Besides, I thought this thread was about military Gore-Tex jackets, right?

slobo
01-27-2012, 02:34 PM
Reviving this thread -- The USMC desert digital goretex lightweight "mountain" suit looks nice. Anyone with field experience with this suit? I would be particulalry interested in the wearability and durability of the pants.