REMEMBER JANE

[HKFIN]

I get this e-mail for my american friend!


REMEMBER JANE

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/441_1082794683_janefonda.jpg

KEEP THIS MOVING; ACROSS AMERICA HONORING A TRAITOR This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.
A sucky part of American and Vietnamese history but is militaryphotos.net the best place to kick off a chain letter. I think not.

[ShotOver]

Yeah, title all in caps.
Bad place to start a chain letter.
It will never end up on her computer, if she even has one.

[Uninen]

HKFIN,

http://www.saunalahti.fi/sakarit/kerro-lisaa/mitspuklauskannon.jpg

Or / and...

http://www.saunalahti.fi/sakarit/kerro-lisaa/up-gender-00017.jpg

You just dont have a fooking clue.

Ja ihan näin Suomenkielellä, tollaset höyrypäät pitäis kaikki upottaa suohon.

[HKFIN]

Ok i cut off that last period even its part of e-mail!

[HELEX]

Title is in all caps.... This needs to be locked :lol:

http://www.fantasyfemales.co.uk/fonda/fondapagepix/poster.jpg

[Grim]

How can a fellow country men be so cruel to US soldiers?
She obviosly made a terrible jugdmental error. But I wonder if she has ever told the american service men, she was wrong and that she is sorry?

[Tengu]

How can a fellow country men be so cruel to US soldiers?
She obviosly made a terrible jugdmental error. But I wonder if she has ever told the american service men, she was wrong and that she is sorry?Idd did the bitch regret this **** afterwards??

[ChuckThunder]

How can a fellow country men be so cruel to US soldiers?
She obviosly made a terrible jugdmental error. But I wonder if she has ever told the american service men, she was wrong and that she is sorry?Idd did the bitch regret this **** afterwards??

Hasn't yet.

[Javehn]

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[Uninen]

In picture one:

"Suck my thumb" and "Good post" (which this arent.....)

In picture two:

"Talk to the fist" and "Fist listens"

And the last line:

"And here in plain Finnish: I think that all steam heads like you should be dumbed at some swamp."

Because this post in all its glory is a "flame bait" and "chain letter" and BS like that dont belong to this forum IMHO. :|

[Javehn]

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[MSG Dman]

I love it when you sh#t heads don't like the subject and nit pick the thing to get it locked. Who gives a damn if that small title is in caps. Healprix is the last one who should be asking to get a subject locked.

How can you possily say that this is not a topic to be discussed in a military site? We have topics about "What size rubber do you wear" but we want to lock a topic about how POWs were treated in war!

This site has hit a new low.

[Merik]

Hanoi Jane was a traitor and deserved to be shot.

[big80a2]

http://bigalivy.com/STUFF/fonda-9.jpg

rofl rofl

[king_nothing100]

If this is true the bitch should rot in a place worse than any other place for the rest of her misserable life. BTW I'm not American but that story is just sick whatever nationallity you are.

[Chris1]

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp


The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above -- that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result -- are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda."

The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him.

[California Joe]

Jane screwed up. Not to the extent portrayed in the fictional account that started this thread. Unless you're John McCain simmah don.

[Merik]

Did you know she actually sat in the seat of a 30mm AA gun and shot at a US aircraft?

[Flagg]

Did you know she actually sat in the seat of a 30mm AA gun and shot at a US aircraft?

First of all Soviet light AA systems were typically 23mm & 57mm, NOT 30mm.

Here is a photo from the series you may be referring to:

http://www.3rdmarines.net/fondapic.jpg

I have never heard anyone claim Jane actually fired the weapon, let alone at a US aircraft.

So I believe you are wrong on both points........if you are adamant about your statement...please show proof/references to substantiate your claim.

I'm my opinion, Jane Fonda's actions something akin to Sean Penn's recent excursions to Iraq, both before and after the conflict.

Sean Penn has certain thoughts and opinions regarding the conflict and as his profession is that of court jester/entertainer he was unaware of how he was manipulated by Saddam's regime to suit THEIR interests and likely exacerbated the situation....just as Jane Fonda was manipulated by the North Vietnamese in the above photo during her foolish junket to North Vietnam.

It's likely both regret their actions as they have both been perceived negatively to and by the public , but you can't put the bullet back in the gun, so to speak.

As I'm not a Vietnam Veteran, I don't have an opinion either way as to how to characterise her.....at worst she was a traitor, at best a fool......

[IDFM203]

Well to be honest I am writing here to get your attention for my P.S. ;) but since I cant just scream and post to look at that thread and leave it at that, I might as well get in a few counter points :D




I'm my opinion, Jane Fonda's actions something akin to Sean Penn's recent excursions to Iraq, both before and after the conflict. I am not an expert on what she did, but didn’t she go DURING the war whereas sean penn went before.

I am not sure of the exact difference but somehow I think there should be one.

I mean perhaps during the war is treason and before is a traitor….though here too I am not sure of the exact difference.

To me it seems like going during a war and giving ones enemy, aid and comfort is an act of outright treason and nothing short of the death penalty is warranted?


It's likely both regret their actions as they have both been perceived negatively to and by the public , :roll: I don’t understand how you can say this?

We don’t know how she feels and certainly its not incumbent on anyone to assume what’s likely or not and certainly not for you or anyone to assume that its likely she regrets it.

I think a stronger case can be made that she does not at all, but either way it’s a bit absurd to say that its likely that she does when you cant possibly back that up in any way.


P.S. I am not sure if you missed this or not, but I would appreciate if you took a look at the last post in this thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12825&start=112) ;)

Shalom :D

[Merik]

Did you know she actually sat in the seat of a 30mm AA gun and shot at a US aircraft?

First of all Soviet light AA systems were typically 23mm & 57mm, NOT 30mm.

Here is a photo from the series you may be referring to:

http://www.3rdmarines.net/fondapic.jpg

I have never heard anyone claim Jane actually fired the weapon, let alone at a US aircraft.

So I believe you are wrong on both points........if you are adamant about your statement...please show proof/references to substantiate your claim.

I'm my opinion, Jane Fonda's actions something akin to Sean Penn's recent excursions to Iraq, both before and after the conflict.

Sean Penn has certain thoughts and opinions regarding the conflict and as his profession is that of court jester/entertainer he was unaware of how he was manipulated by Saddam's regime to suit THEIR interests and likely exacerbated the situation....just as Jane Fonda was manipulated by the North Vietnamese in the above photo during her foolish junket to North Vietnam.

It's likely both regret their actions as they have both been perceived negatively to and by the public , but you can't put the bullet back in the gun, so to speak.

As I'm not a Vietnam Veteran, I don't have an opinion either way as to how to characterise her.....at worst she was a traitor, at best a fool......

Sheesh no need to get p'oed at me. So I got the millimeter worng on the gun, oops. As for her shooting at an aircraft, I read it several years ago in a book that I have no bloody clue what the name was sorry.

[Flagg]

Sheesh no need to get p'oed at me. So I got the millimeter worng on the gun, oops. As for her shooting at an aircraft, I read it several years ago in a book that I have no bloody clue what the name was sorry.

Nope...not PO'd...just wanted to clarify...there's quite a bit of Urban Legend stuff floating around on this topic....


It's likely both regret their actions as they have both been perceived negatively to and by the public ,


I don’t understand how you can say this?

We don’t know how she feels and certainly its not incumbent on anyone to assume what’s likely or not and certainly not for you or anyone to assume that its likely she regrets it.

So you're entitled to making assumptions when it suits IDFM203 and I am not?

Check your own post history on your own comments........have YOU not made ANY assumptions?

Are you casting stones? Cause it cetainly reads like it :|

I guess having the acrimony of your birth nation directed against you, maturity, and 3 decades of hindsight isn't going to result in regret?

If the world is in general agreement that you made a mistake, aren't you LIKELY to have regrets for your actions?


I think a stronger case can be made that she does not at all,

So in YOUR OPINION, it's LIKELY Jane Fonda has NO regrets getting photographed behind a Russian Made North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun being used to shoot down and kill her fellow Americans?

Funny that...I think it's LIKELY you are wrong in YOUR OPINION.


but either way it’s a bit absurd to say that its likely that she does when you cant possibly back that up in any way.

How's this? I found this quite quickly on Google using (Jane Fonda Vietnam Apology keywords)


She didn't merely protest the Vietnam War as Oprah Winfrey wrote. Jane Fonda took the side of the North Vietnamese. In that recently published interview Jane Fonda states, "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an antiaircraft [gun] carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. That had nothing to do with the context that photograph was taken in. But it hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless. I wasn't thinking. I was just so bowled over by the whole experience that I didn't realize what it would look like."

Sounds like regret to me :| Or am I STILL somehow wrong?


Sean Penn, just back from his three-day "fact finding" trip to Iraq, turned on his new pals in Saddam Hussein's government - claiming they've transformed him into a weapon of mass propaganda.

Penn and various Iraqi bigwigs seemed to be fast friends on Sunday when the star issued a statement saying, "If there is a war or continued sanctions against Iraq, the blood of Americans and Iraqis alike will be on our hands."

But then Baghdad's online news service came up with a considerably more juicy story about the Hollywood actor.

"The American movie star Sean Penn has condemned the U.S.-British threats to wage war against Iraq," it said.

Not only that, but "he [Penn] confirmed that Iraq is completely clear of weapons of mass destruction and the United Nations must adopt a positive stance towards Iraq."

The story also said that Penn "condemned the U.S.'s misleading claims, arguing that it is the U.S., not Iraq, who is practicing such illegal behavior."

Penn's flack howled in protest, claiming her boss was the victim of terrorist misquotes.

"Oh, please! I don't know where those statements are being fabricated from," said spokeswoman Mara Buxbaum.

"This is specifically propaganda. It's a twisted interpretation of what he said. They are twisting his words."

According to Buxbaum, Penn never even spoke with the Iraq Daily.

Is it likely Penn could regret being so easily manipulated for Iraqi purposes? If not, why the press release from his spokeswoman?

I think I've substantiated my point.....you can keep yours.


I've been away for a couple of days.....I'm on my way to the thread you linked to now...

[Khabbi]

So she went to a Vietnam POW camp and was responsible for US casualties and shot down US Airplanes , And the US goverment did nothing ? .

cmon ppl , even OJ couldent get out of that mess .

[Tengu]

So she went to a Vietnam POW camp and was responsible for US casualties and shot down US Airplanes , And the US goverment did nothing ? .

cmon ppl , even OJ couldent get out of that mess .Yep a very good question.

[hood]

I love it when you sh#t heads don't like the subject and nit pick the thing to get it locked. Who gives a damn if that small title is in caps.

It gets my panties in a bunch unlike anyone has ever seen. :) I like how he edited out the part about "forward this on to everyone" after the fact so it didn't seem quite as much like a chain letter. Say goodnight Gracie.