Tan Beret

So what do you guys think of the Tan Beret that the Rangers wear? You like it better than the Black Beret, what's your opinion on it?

I personally like the Tan Beret better... (Visually)

[Fearless-Falcon]

I personally like the Black Beret better
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[NcDeuce]

The Latest on the Black Beret

They call it "The Big Lie".
Thousands of soldiers assigned to Ft. Bragg, NC, many who don't serve in the Army's 'go to war' combat forces have received special training that is required before wearing the coveted Black Beret.

'What did this special training consist of?', one might ask.

Where they required to take the Army's PT test and pass the 17 year old standards with 75% and above?

No.

Were they required to march a 12 mile rucksack march wearing a 55 pound rucksack, LBE and assigned weapon in under 3 hours?

No, many of these soldiers only see their assigned weapon once or twice a year. They've rarely even seen their rucksack and LBE since it was issued by CIF, and it is still brand new, collecting dust in a corner of their barracks room. They surely have never even felt what 55 pounds feels like on their back.

Where these soldiers required to pass airborne school prior to getting fitted with their black berets?

No.

Where these soldiers required to attend an Indoctrination Program which consists of:

The most strenuous physical training seen in the US Army?
Special skills required to accomplish the specialized combat role of the unit?
Learning the detailed historical battlefield accomplishments which make the unit unique to all combat forces, amongst other combat forces in the entire world?
Receive 'lessons learned' through the experiences of others who have served in combat while assigned to the unit.
No.

What then did the specialized training consist of, that the soldiers received prior to being able to don the Black Beret on June 16th, 2001?

The soldiers attended a class, where the primary instructors were Paratroopers assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division. The soldiers received training from these Paratroopers on the proper wear and care of a beret as headgear.

Despite the United States Army's problems relative to the foreign production of the Black Beret and their requiring the Defense Logistics Agency to break the law (the Berry Amendment) in order to fulfill its needs, it was reported that there is no shortage of Black Berets in the Ft. Bragg area. Throughout the rest of the Army there are great shortages of Black Berets as most of the Berets have been returned, either due to poor quality or because they were made in Communist China.

Since Ft. Bragg is where the most intense opposition exists among soldiers to General Shinseki's plan to steal the heritage of the United States Army Rangers by issuing the Black Beret to the entire United States Army, it makes sense for him to direct the Army to increase the availability of berets in Ft. Bragg, NC. That is after all, the largest concentration, be they Paratrooper or Special Forces soldiers, of beret wearing soldiers in the United States Army.

History will have a special place for General Shinseki. He won't be remembered as the Chief of Staff who 'Transformed the Army' from the cold war era to some future force, after all, there are others with a similar vision and progress marches forward no matter who sits in the Army's top position. Soon enough the Secretary of Defense will be telling General Shinseki what he can and can't do in regards to Transformation anyway as part of his defense review process. Where issues of spending Billions of Dollars are at stake, there is political control, at least budgetary control, of our Military. The Chiefs of each service resent this, as they feel they should have a free hand to direct their services without political or civil control.

Brazenly stealing the heritage of the Black Beret, earned by Rangers through a rigorous selection process, training, standards, and combat might cost only 'Millions' of dollars, at least for the Berets. That is something that surely a Chief of Staff ought to be able to do. The only problem with it, is that General Shinseki has lied to the American people, the Congress and to every soldier who serves on the front lines of our Army in order to accomplish his goal.

The Black Beret being issued to the entire Army is not going to enhance it's performance, for there are no performance enhancing standards behind it. Having a symbol without something tangible behind it leaves the symbol wanting for some claim to credibility as to stature. It's simply not there. We know this and the American people know this also. Repeating the lie will not make it true, no matter how many times the Chief of Staff or his supporters do so.

So, back to the special place that history might have for General Shinseki. Now that he has hung his career on a hat, he has seriously degraded his own credibility amongst his peers, his subordinates, the congress and the American people. It was necessary for the Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz to attend a press briefing to support the General, due to the flawed logic of his assertions of a connection between the issuing of the Black Beret and Transformation. Well informed media persons took him to task and it wasn't pretty. They know a lie when they hear one and they know faulty logic when they see it.

The repercussions from this lie are that there are serious problems whenever and where ever General Shinseki appears to advocate ANY plan or vision on the Army of the future. Where there were four or five questions about an issue, there are now twenty or thirty. His ideas are now under the microscope in every manner and from every direction. He has damaged his credibility and therefore, as the Chief of Staff and most senior officer in the United States Army, cannot effectively advocate to fill the needs of an entire branch of service of the United States Military.

When he started out on this process, of wanting for some symbol to instill pride in the force, it would have been an easy matter for him to select anything, ANYTHING, other than the Black Beret of the Rangers. It has already been paid for in blood spilt in foreign lands, defending our nation's interests. A six year period from 1973-1979 that scattered Armour units wore the Black Beret is not a superior claim to wear the beret when compared to the 1951-2001 history of the Rangers. That is the big lie. It is an assault on the intelligence of every soldier serving today, to expect them to believe this lie. Nonetheless, it has been repeated time and time again by the Chief of Staff and his supporters.

Many soldiers throughout the Army will never forget that their service Chief lied to them about this. This era, if we would be ignorant enough to refer to General Shinseki's tenure as Chief of Staff as an 'era', as if it defined an important and unique period of history, is one that American soldiers had thought was over with the election of President Bush. The Clinton Administration ended, and hopefully, the military's disdain for it's top leader could end also. But alas, General Shinseki is like a rude hangover, willing to look down to the American Service member from the top, demanding good faith service, while lying to their faces.

Don't worry General Shinseki. You shall have their good service. They took an oath to deliver it and will be true to that oath. But know this: they look past you, just as those serving President Clinton looked past him, to a brighter future, hopefully filled with persons of integrity in powerful positions, such as the position you currently occupy.

Veteran Ranger Community Position

The rest of the world should know, the veterans of the Ranger Community are saddened to see the Black Beret go to the rest of the Army. We fought hard to keep it in order to honor our brothers who were lost to some of the fiercest fighting our Nation has asked any soldier to participate in.

Please understand that we, the veteran community DO NOT regard this so called "compromise" as a victory at all.


We are disappointed in those who might suggest that the contributions of a single soldier, the Chief of Staff of the United States Army, could possibly outweigh the contributions of the over 25,000 Rangers who have served our nation since 1951 and who overwhelmingly opposed his decision to eliminate the Army Traditions under which we served.

We are very disappointed that the Chief of Staff's office used disinformation extensively, to mislead the public, the media, the Congress and Senate to argue the merits of his action.

We know that transforming the Army into a more lethal and deployable force has no logical connection with ending a 50 year tradition, removing the heraldry of one active duty unit, and assigning it to others.

We are disappointed that the review Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfowitz was to conduct may not be conducted, as specifically requested by both President Bush and Senator Warner, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

We strongly believe that a beret of any color worn by soldiers serving in the United States Army should be manufactured in America only.

To all our supporters in the public, lawmakers who have represented us when we asked, we greatly appreciate all of your assistance and advocacy. We hope that those who opposed this action will continue to aspire towards a higher calling: the truth.

Ranger Black Beret Items

Veterans of the 75th Ranger Regiment will always have a reverence for the Black Beret. We should, we EARNED IT.

That article just about sums it up. Doesn't matter which one looks better...it's the principle of it.

[Uncle Sam]

Don't get me started !

[crazyman]

this topic has been done to death. its a hat. move on.

on a side note, the tan beret is also worn by the brit SAS. not a bad way to go

[Fintin]

i dont get it...why didnt they just give tan ones to everyone else.....am i just that much smarter then the government...

[Uncle Sam]

this topic has been done to death. its a hat. move on.

on a side note, the tan beret is also worn by the brit SAS. not a bad way to go

No, it's a Beret and history. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Merik]

Thats Shinskei for ya. Don't Armor guys and Armored Cav guys have a beret also? I think its red or green cant remember.

[mocking_loudly_died]

How about a big pirate hat with a big f*ck off skull on it, ROAR!

[Flagg]

I think the Rangers should drop the beret all together and adopt a Viking helmet for daily wear:

http://www.johnhelmer.com/products/full/89.jpg

It kinda sends a "Don't F with me" message

I'm always coming up with the good ideas.

[Sabre]

Back in Black, the way to go.

Just seen the new beret for the first time, didn't give a monkey's until I saw the colour:

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You've got to walk over the Beacons for that mate!

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Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

[[AFSOC]]

Didnt the Canadian Airborne Regiment wear TAN BERETS?

[NcDeuce]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

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Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

you're not acquainted with the use of smilies are you?

I won't ever try because I will NEVER and I mean NEVER fight for the US army, and that is a promise.

[Merik]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

you're not acquainted with the use of smilies are you?

I won't ever try because I will NEVER and I mean NEVER fight for the US army, and that is a promise.

We dont care............. p-)

[Gordon]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

[NcDeuce]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

Contradicting, wouldn't you say?

[johnnysix]

the cav in vietnam and some years prior wore the black beret as well as the stetson. the rangers didn't start wearing the black beret until the late 70's early 80's timeframe. though sad the beret no longer signifies a member of the u.s. army ranger batt, it also no longer signifies the original bearers, the armored cav. enjoy-

[MSG Dman]

In that first picture it looks like 1LT Ditomasso (SP?) from Blackhawk Down (Far left). That picture must have been taken shortly after their return from Somalia.

[Merik]

the cav in vietnam and some years prior wore the black beret as well as the stetson. the rangers didn't start wearing the black beret until the late 70's early 80's timeframe. though sad the beret no longer signifies a member of the u.s. army ranger batt, it also no longer signifies the original bearers, the armored cav. enjoy-

Yeah I knew they wore Berets. We still wear Stetson's by the way, very very important heritage there.

[Gordon]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

Contradicting, wouldn't you say?

Yeh, probably, but i get unreasonable when i'm drunk.

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Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

Contradicting, wouldn't you say?

Yeh, probably, but i get unreasonable when i'm drunk.

same here! NcDouche, though, is unreasonable all of the time.

[NcDeuce]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

Contradicting, wouldn't you say?

Yeh, probably, but i get unreasonable when i'm drunk.

same here! NcDouche, though, is unreasonable all of the time.

rofl

You really do talk out of your ass.

[Spearin]

]Didnt the Canadian Airborne Regiment wear TAN BERETS?

Nope. Maroon Berets.

I believe the British SAS uses Tan Berets though.

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Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

Contradicting, wouldn't you say?

Yeh, probably, but i get unreasonable when i'm drunk.

same here! NcDouche, though, is unreasonable all of the time.

rofl

You really do talk out of your ass.

and how would you know that?

[Salty Dog]

Sand coloured is clearly superior to black and should be worn by anyone but the most elite, which rangers arn't quite. ;)

Not another movie/book expert critic who has been there and done that. I'd like to see you score an 80% on the APFT, complete CWST, go through RIP, USASOC assessment, complete all examinations, and make it through the three final 3 training phases.

That's right...you won't ever try numbnuts.

Keep your bull**** for those give a damn.

Contradicting, wouldn't you say?

Yeh, probably, but i get unreasonable when i'm drunk.

same here! NcDouche, though, is unreasonable all of the time.

rofl

You really do talk out of your ass.

and how would you know that?

because he's lookin at your ass when you're talking to him?

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because he's lookin at your ass when you're talking to him?

rofl

Do you often have those kind of thoughts?

[THE_Dorff]

The British armed forces used a regimentalised system of berets in order to differentiate between different units and different standards of training,
i.e, standard beret is DARK blue, maroon for para's (red devils), tan for the SAS, green for the Royal Marines, Black for the Ghurkas...

It is widely regarded that this use of different coloured berets increases morale, pride and a sense of "unity".

This is where the argument for the ranger beret colour comes in, it is to my understanding that black is the basic beret colour for all basic US armed forces (bar green berets)- am I right? ( I could be completely wrong, so no offence intended)...

surely the introduction of a tan (or any colour for that matter) beret is a way to show your fellow servicemen throughout the US forces who you are and prove WHAT you have been through in order to obtain it? (this is true with the UK's forces, marines get it on the top of dartmoor after the 30-miler in 7 hours, Paras after their trg. and the SAS after theirs)

why not see the introduction of a new coloured beret as the start of a new legend, based on the achievements of your predecessors for you and the rest of the rangers to build upon?

theres my ten pence! B

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As far as I know, the reason why the rangers are upset about this is because the black beret had tradition behind it, and only speacial forces had berets before.

[Maine Finn]

As far as I know, the reason why the rangers are upset about this is because the black beret had tradition behind it, and only speacial forces had berets before.

That sounds right to me. The Rangers were the only ones with the black beret, and the Green Berets obviously had the green. I can understand their resentment that the black beret was issued to the rest of the Army.

[Yard Ape]

]Didnt the Canadian Airborne Regiment wear TAN BERETS?
Nope. The CAR wore the maroon beret. Canada does not have a tan beret.

[Royal]

The British armed forces used a regimentalised system of berets in order to differentiate between different units and different standards of training,
i.e, standard beret is DARK blue, maroon for para's (red devils), tan for the SAS, green for the Royal Marines, Black for the Ghurkas...

The standard for the CS and CSS Corps is a very dark blue, the standard for line infantry is a sort of ****ty brown (although there are exceptions - the Light Division and the Brigade of Gurkhas wear a Rifle green beret not black).

[James]

Granted, I am a Marine, not a Soldier, but...

It's a friggin' hat. Don't put so much damn value in material things...

Just a thought...

[Jack Mehoff]

I really don't see the big deal with giving out black berets to all soldiers and tan berets to Army Rangers. You must be really heavy on crack if you think wearing black berets make you more "elite" because I've been wearing black beret for a while and I don't feel anymore "elite". In fact, I want my freaking soft cap back because the beret just doesn't give enough sun protection and it looks freaking ugly on some fat heads.

[Argyll]

Nc Deuce,
Unless you've gone through all that you mentioned you're in no position to judge others ;)

[James]

Maybe the USMC should adopt a "Camel Tan" Beret... :P

[fantassin]

Isn't it great than now they all wear a FRENCH hat ?!!!

The first unit to wear berets as regulation headgear was the Chasseurs Alpins, the French mountain rifles; then the Brits found that sort of headgear practcal and cheap when they mingled with the French during WW1; and from then on it spread across the world....

From dictionary.com

French béret, from French dialectal berret, and from Old Provençal berret, cap both from Late Latin birrus, hooded cloak.See biretta.]

[digrar]

Austarlian berets, Black - Armoured
Sandy - SASR
Rifle Green - RAR
Maroon - Para
Light blue - Aviation
Scarlet Red - MPs
Green - Commando
Dark navy blue - Army standard issue

edit- should have posted this in the other beret thread.

[Hydro]

The British armed forces used a regimentalised system of berets in order to differentiate between different units and different standards of training,
i.e, standard beret is DARK blue, maroon for para's (red devils), tan for the SAS, green for the Royal Marines, Black for the Ghurkas...

The standard for the CS and CSS Corps is a very dark blue, the standard for line infantry is a sort of ****ty brown (although there are exceptions - the Light Division and the Brigade of Gurkhas wear a Rifle green beret not black).

Black is worn by Armour regiments. Green and Maroon berets are also worn by personnel who aren't part of Para Reg or RM but have passed P Coy or the AACC (though I've heard some Army CO's don't like having the different berets and insist that qualified pers wear standard unit berets).

[n4292936]

Look with all dure respect, Rangers aren't the elite of the elite. They are a superb light infantry force but are of the same calibre as the Brits Para and RM - if those forces were in the US they would classes as SF. Cut was making a comparison between the SAS (which the Ranger's are no more comparable to than they are to Delta in terms of allocated resources, training time & diversity prior to being "badged") and the Rangers.

Back on topic, I know, as Im sure many of you do, that the Rangers were none too pleased about the general swap to black berets that seemed to negate the Ranger's "special" status. My brother was among many who were fuming for ages over it. I think that some mark of distinction is fitting for a unit with the heritage and skills that the Rangers possess. There's nothing wrong with having elites among the Army's ranks - a point the generals seem to miss on occassion.

[Royal]

Green and Maroon berets are also worn by personnel who aren't part of Para Reg or RM but have passed P Coy or the AACC (though I've heard some Army CO's don't like having the different berets and insist that qualified pers wear standard unit berets).

Actually green and maroon berets should only be worn by serving members of 3 Commando or 16 Air Assault Brigade or by members of the Royal Marines (Band Service excepted) or the Parachute Regiment. There are qualification badges for commando and parachute trained personnel - these may be worn when serving outside the relevant brigades.

This rule is frequently flouted (particularly by commando trained RN personnel), but it is a rule none the less.

[Roger Rabbit]

Question, recently i saw some people wearing a sandy beret. However i'm fairly sure the capbadge was RLC, Signals or another unit which i'm unsure of. Would those people have done selection or do they just get to wear the beret because they are attached to the SAS?

How does the beret system work in the British Army? If say someone from the RLC or REME is attached to an infantry unit do they keep their capbadge and change to the beret or what?

[Chris1]

How does the beret system work in the British Army? If say someone from the RLC or REME is attached to an infantry unit do they keep their capbadge and change to the beret or what?
In that example, no.
An Attached REME techie is still an Attached REME Techie.
REME beret, REME cap badge.
He isn't part of the Regiment
He is attached to it.
There are exceptions.
I have a low opinion of those who "frequently flout" the rules
Suffice to say, passing P Coy and spending a bit of boys time in the Para's, then spending 20 years as a work dodging pay clerk and spouting off about the good old days when training was hard to Infantry soldiers who unlike them can still remember what PT feels like, does not tend to make friends and influence people :)

[California Joe]

Yeah Roger, don't make Royal "beast" you.

[TheKiwi]

Isn't it great than now they all wear a FRENCH hat ?!!!
The first unit to wear berets as regulation headgear was the Chasseurs Alpins, the French mountain rifles; then the Brits found that sort of headgear practcal and cheap when they mingled with the French during WW1; and from then on it spread across the world....


I seem to remember reading somewhere that Brit regiments would normally adopt headwear from their enemies. (As seen in Nap Wars where Brit units ended up post war wearing French style caps).

WW1 bought an end to that tradition as no-one wanted to wear the German Picklehaub. :D

[FallenAngel]

I got to agree with James...

but then again, Marines don't wear anything that sets them apart from other Marines.

[DnA]

Thats Shinskei for ya. Don't Armor guys and Armored Cav guys have a beret also? I think its red or green cant remember.

Everyone in the US Army wears a black beret, with the exception of the Rangers, Airborne, Special Forces and 160th SOAR
(did I miss anyone?)

[DnA]

the cav in vietnam and some years prior wore the black beret as well as the stetson. the rangers didn't start wearing the black beret until the late 70's early 80's timeframe. though sad the beret no longer signifies a member of the u.s. army ranger batt, it also no longer signifies the original bearers, the armored cav. enjoy-

Any pictures of cav troops wearing berets?

Yes, the Black beret became the official headress of the Rangers sometime in the late '70s/early '80s, but the black beret was worn by Rangers before it became their official headdress.

[ArmyRanger]

Gotta wear what they issue. what more can you do. They review that **** each year. a board of old people that sit around and make changes to uniforms and other things. most are changes to hospital clothing or somthing minor.

i still like black over tan. :)

everyone having a beret is an insult to the SF, Ranger and Airborne community. i think it would have been ok to give the new black beret to combat arms like Infantry , Combat Engineer, FO , Ect . but its stupid when you go on base and you see a cook wearing a beret.

[ShakesFIST]

Maybe a branch colored beret of some sort. For example; The infantry guidon is blue and white. Why not a blue beret with a white front where the unit crest goes.

[ArmyRanger]

cause thats united nations beret :)

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms2/un-beret.jpg

[ShakesFIST]

"Infantry blue" is darker than "UN Blue" :bash: :D

[Opening Batsman]

Austarlian berets, Black - Armoured
Sandy - SASR
Rifle Green - RAR
Maroon - Para

Light blue - Aviation
Scarlet Red - MPs
Green - Commando
Dark navy blue - Army standard issue

edit- should have posted this in the other beret thread.

Darn good way of doing it, if you ask me. :) But most people don't wear them anyway, I was up in Darwin last week and there were heaps of defence personell around there, but only four were wearing berets that I could see, two 3RAR and two Armoured (one of whom totally greased off my mate as we were walking past for no reason ;) ). The bucket hat thingoes seem to be in fashion at the moment. :P

[BadKarma26]

The Tan beret looks badass I think. Who the hell cares anyways, we don't wear the beret in combat like the Brits do. (which i think we should because it looks badass)

[garyfanclub]

"Infantry blue" is darker than "UN Blue" :bash: :D

You mean "shoot-me blue" right? :oops:

[NcDeuce]

I thought the change was senseless, but about regulated headgear, I personally prefer my soft cap...

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/6416/SF-SoftCap.jpg

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/7590/SF-SoftCap2.jpg

Edit:
Headgear looking cool and/or badass rofl

[Durandal]

Should still be wearing the damn field cap. It was actually useful.

[digrar]

Darn good way of doing it, if you ask me. :) But most people don't wear them anyway, I was up in Darwin last week and there were heaps of defence personell around there, but only four were wearing berets that I could see, two 3RAR and two Armoured (one of whom totally greased off my mate as we were walking past for no reason ;) ). The bucket hat thingoes seem to be in fashion at the moment. :P

Mate it's called a bush hat (not to be confused with the poxy boony hat that pouges and newbies wear), and you need to have about a meter of para cord threaded through the rim and under your chin so you don't loose it during a contact ;).
I'm not suprised that the splat cats were wearing their berets, I've seen them wear them out bush during a non tac period and then back on with the bush hats when we have gone tac again. :cantbeli:
When I was in Brisbane 8/9RAR wore Slouchies and 6RAR wore berets. About 12 months after 8/9RAR was retired they said we had to wear slouchies at 6RAR due to occ health and saftey as berets were a sunburn risk :cantbeli: . Slouchies are a pain in the arse to drag around all the time, so bush hats became really popular after that ;) .

[Flagg]

Mate it's called a bush hat (not to be confused with the poxy boony hat that pouges and newbies wear), and you need to have about a meter of para cord threaded through the rim and under your chin so you don't loose it during a contact Wink.
I'm not suprised that the splat cats were wearing their berets, I've seen them wear them out bush during a non tac period and then back on with the bush hats when we have gone tac again. Can't Believe It
When I was in Brisbane 8/9RAR wore Slouchies and 6RAR wore berets. About 12 months after 8/9RAR was retired they said we had to wear slouchies at 6RAR due to occ health and saftey as berets were a sunburn risk Can't Believe It . Slouchies are a pain in the arse to drag around all the time, so bush hats became really popular after that Wink .

I've got my J-hat officially de-pogued by some of my RF mates..it's been "mod-ed" with a lower profile and an arc-ed shape and an elastic band instead of a drawstring...now I'm a low-speed high dragger with a super groovy BTDT style J-hat.

Now I look like the business rofl

[supercontra]

Give all the morons who can barely shoot a bright pink beret. That way the rest of us can instantly spot them and take cover should they carry a firearm.

[California Joe]

Flagg is the heat.

[Flagg]

Flagg is the heat.

No Joe, You da Heat

I just play the Heat on weekends when the missus says I can :roll:

[Opening Batsman]

Darn good way of doing it, if you ask me. :) But most people don't wear them anyway, I was up in Darwin last week and there were heaps of defence personell around there, but only four were wearing berets that I could see, two 3RAR and two Armoured (one of whom totally greased off my mate as we were walking past for no reason ;) ). The bucket hat thingoes seem to be in fashion at the moment. :P

Mate it's called a bush hat (not to be confused with the poxy boony hat that pouges and newbies wear), and you need to have about a meter of para cord threaded through the rim and under your chin so you don't loose it during a contact ;).
I'm not suprised that the splat cats were wearing their berets, I've seen them wear them out bush during a non tac period and then back on with the bush hats when we have gone tac again. :cantbeli:
When I was in Brisbane 8/9RAR wore Slouchies and 6RAR wore berets. About 12 months after 8/9RAR was retired they said we had to wear slouchies at 6RAR due to occ health and saftey as berets were a sunburn risk :cantbeli: . Slouchies are a pain in the arse to drag around all the time, so bush hats became really popular after that ;) .

I like the slouch hats, all the super cool Digger history behind them. woot