Putin pledges to enhance General Staff significance in Russia

[M4ko]

Besides the energy resources, Putin places military complex as the pilar of economic diversificaiton of Russia. Basicaly a copy of US system, which could mean that a new arms race is to happen.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070215/60811925.html



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MOSCOW, February 15 (RIA Novosti) - The significance of the Russian General Staff will steadily grow in the future, President Vladimir Putin said at a Defense Ministry board session Thursday.

Putin has appointed Anatoly Serdyukov, 45, who headed the Federal Tax Service for the last three years, as new defense minister, replacing Sergei Ivanov.

"I certainly hope that the ministry, at least the part of it that deals with development, will pay close attention to the economic and financial components [of defense activities]," Putin said.

"At the same time, the significance of the military component, the significance of the General Staff, will certainly become even higher than it is now," the president said.

He also reiterated the need to use the potential of the Russian defense industry to ensure further innovative development of the country's economy.

"Our defense industry has been showing steady development, and we should use everything that it has to satisfy the needs of the civilian sector [of the economy]," Putin said.

[Thor]

Putin more and more come off as Adolf Putin. Many similarities indeed.

[DarthJesus]

Thats the stupidest comment I've ever heard

[asch]

Putin more and more come off as Adolf Putin. Many similarities indeed.
for example?

[Smersh]

a new russian themed thread everyday this week.

[Kangars]

Russia is getting STRONG!!!!1111....gly popular:)

[Thor]

for example?
That's the person who comes to mind given the total picture with nationalism, aggressive foreign policy in every shape, form and direction, rhetorics, justifications, promotion of a personal power base, weakened democracy and rule of law, sudden violent deaths of dissidents, possible upcoming anschluss policy regarding Belarus, Ukraine and other nations. And in this short article the expressed hopes of building an economic momentum based on drastically increased defense spendings.

[themacedonian]

That's the person who comes to mind given the total picture with nationalism, aggressive foreign policy in every shape, form and direction, rhetorics, justifications, promotion of a personal power base, weakened democracy and rule of law, sudden violent deaths of dissidents, possible upcoming anschluss policy regarding Belarus, Ukraine and other nations. And in this short article the expressed hopes of building an economic momentum based on drastically increased defense spendings.

you just described George W. Bush. :)

you attached aggresive foreign policy in every shape, form and direction ???? Putin?? has he invaded some country that we don't know about. This comment just killed your whole argument.

Not even one point is even close to fact.

[Mamont]

Wow, Thor, you must be really getting much free time.. Read alot lately anti-russian propaganda?

[Thor]

you just described George W. Bush. :)

you attached aggresive foreign policy in every shape, form and direction ???? Putin?? has he invaded some country that we don't know about. This comment just killed your whole argument.

Not even one point is even close to fact.
On the contrary you're the one who don't have a single point.

Putin's foreign policy is a fact.


Wow, Thor, you must be really getting much free time.. Read alot lately anti-russian propaganda?
No, I live in the free part of the world, you on the other have been force fed with anti-western propaganda since birth.

[Mamont]

No, I live in the free part of the world, you on the other have been force fed with anti-western propaganda since birth.

What? Stop smoking whatever you have.. What "free part" has to do with your blind hatred for Putin? Not to mention the things that your living in the "free part" is based upon..

[Thor]

What? Stop smoking whatever you have.. What "free part" has to do with your blind hatred for Putin?
I used to semi-like Putin, but since then he has wandered off in the wrong direction.

[Mamont]

I used to semi-like Putin, but since then he has wandered off in the wrong direction.

:) And another funny comment. Between Putin and you i guess Putin knows better in which direction he must go..

[Thor]

:) And another funny comment. Between Putin and you i guess Putin knows better in which direction he must go..
Just like Hitler did?

[Smersh]

No, I live in the free part of the world, you on the other have been force fed with anti-western propaganda since birth.

I could easily say you have been fed anti-russian/soviet propaganda since birth. Just like a majority of people in "the west". I thought the cold war ended in 1990.

these threads are getting more and more ridicilous. I don't think I can keep up with them anymore. Constant crazy paranoid accusations.

[Mamont]

Just like Hitler did?

:) No, like Bush. Or Merkel, or Shirak, or even Blair for that matter.. :)

Man, you _are_ obsessed with Hitler.. Dreaming about him alot or what?

[asch]

easy, people. it's just old good Thor Ze Mpnet Certified CommiePurger. one of a little mob who have problems with us ruskies and reality.

;)

[Thor]

Oh yes, everyone hate ruskies and NATO eat babies. Doesn't that thinking ever get old?

I think it's pretty clear that it's the soviet fan boy patrol here that has a problem with reality and the evil west. Pursuing a confrontational line not because of reason, but because of some induced cold war revanschismo.

[ollevarm]

"you attached aggresive foreign policy in every shape, form and direction ???? Putin?? has he invaded some country that we don't know about."

And that makes it ok? So the russian army can kill pepole just becuse you slept through highschool geography?

[asch]

And that makes it ok? So the russian army can kill pepole just becuse you slept through highschool geography?

wtf you talking about?

[ollevarm]

Oppps sorry. I ment the exact and precise anti-terror operation chechnya witch involves filtration camps, disappearances, rape, murder etc etc

And no, the yanks are no better, Gitmo is a concentration camp.

[Mamont]

Oh yes, everyone hate ruskies and NATO eat babies. Doesn't that thinking ever get old?

I think it's pretty clear that it's the soviet fan boy patrol here that has a problem with reality and the evil west. Pursuing a confrontational line not because of reason, but because of some induced cold war revanschismo.

Hmm, Thor, when were your last visit to Ussr/Russia?

[asch]

Oppps sorry. I ment the exact and precise anti-terror operation chechnya witch involves filtration camps, disappearances, rape, murder etc etc

And no, the yanks are no better, Gitmo is a concentration camp.
Oppps, dumb me sorry too.
i meant "What Ze Feck You Talkig About?"

[Sergei]

I used to semi-like Putin, but since then he has wandered off in the wrong direction.

That's only your opinion, nothing more.

[Player]

I don't see anything funny with Thor's comments, actually his comments are way more realistic than most of comments posted in this thread.

Russians seek the Soviet/Fascist nationalism by getting inspired with totalitarian leaders such as Putin, at least following the history of Putin's leadership concerning democracy, the interests and the way Russians perceive it everything goes down to this point.

[asch]

I don't see anything funny with Thor's comments, actually his comments are way more realistic than most of comments posted in this thread.

Russians seek the Soviet/Fascist nationalism by getting inspired with totalitarian leaders such as Putin, at least following the history of Putin's leadership concerning democracy, the interests and the way Russians perceive it everything goes down to this point.

Yeah, thank you for this wondrous insight! I know that there is something evil and wrong in me!
:cantbeli:

[Player]

Your the first to say it's wrong...

Evil? err.... Your location says it all ;)

[/sarcasm]

[KZ_Finland]

This thread was practicaly killed in second post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

[asch]

Your the first to say it's wrong...

Evil? err.... Your location says it all ;)

[/sarcasm]
my location always betrays me. seriously. p-)


This thread was practicaly killed in second post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
fellow Thor is a walking Goldwin's law, you know? :)

[Flamming_Python]

Have ANY of you big talkers actually been to Russia and talked to Russians!!!??? Yeah sure there are a lot of political discussions, but Americans and Europeans, are treated with a lot of respect and are quite popular foreigners in Russia.

All i'm hearing is a lot of stupid misconceptions about how Russians despise the West and it's culture, etc... What a load of ****

But yeah, don't be suprised if Bush is not so popular there... along with just about everywhere else in the world :roll:

[sir-chimp]

Have ANY of you big talkers actually been to Russia and talked to Russians!!!??? Yeah sure there are a lot of political discussions, but Americans and Europeans, are treated with a lot of respect and are quite popular foreigners in Russia.
:

Its amazing what hard currency will do

[asch]

Its amazing what hard currency will do

uhh. here is bull**** delivery service come.

[Sergei]

Its amazing what hard currency will do

Right dude, the evil ruskies are no longer commies. They like the OMFG MONEY!!! Just like the good ol' american folks. :)

[Flamming_Python]

Its amazing what hard currency will do
Right dude, the evil ruskies are no longer commies. They like the OMFG MONEY!!! Just like the good ol' american folks. :)

Yeah, well......... Ok you win :D

[sir-chimp]

Yeah, well......... Ok you win :D

win what?

we always said underneath every diehard commie was a capitalist just dying to come out.

russia went from the worst aspects of communism to the worst aspects of capitalism- well the russian form of capitalism anyway

if anyone "won" it was by far the west.

but I digress

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

What is it with the world being paranoid with Russia?

A resurgent Russia is good for business and international relations. Especially when China becomes the dominate nation in the world.

[Lokos]

if anyone "won" it was by far the west.

Talk about hollow victories.

Lokos

[sir-chimp]

Talk about hollow victories.

Lokos

lol

I will take the total collapse and failure of a political system and the empire whose thumb it imposed its rule over and the turning of the antagonist country into a shadow of its former self - with out directly firing a shot - as victory any day of the week.

But hey I say tomato, you say watermelon

[50pushman]

for example?

Because he is challenging the American self-proclaimed hegemony in the world. ;)

[Lokos]

as victory any day of the week.

What did you win?

What's the prize?

A chance to be the global policemean that everyone loves to hate? The opportunity to impale your military on the stake of a number of extremely costly, open-ended conflicts? The bitter resentment of the 'vanquished' on whose energy supplies you will come to depend on more and more?

Is it the prestige of having 'defeated' this 'empire' you speak of (and what a laugh that is) by outspending it? Congratulations. If only all victories were so fulfilling, dolt.


and the turning of the antagonist country into a shadow of its former self

And then you wonder why the Russians would consider the United States a threat to their security. Taking pleasure in the misery of another won't earn you his friendship. But, then again, the US has never been interested in partners - merely constables. It has become the Hobbesian Leviathan.

Lokos

[sir-chimp]

What did you win?

What's the prize?

lol who said anything about a "prize"

A chance to be the global policemean that everyone loves to hate? The opportunity to impale your military on the stake of a number of extremely costly, open-ended conflicts? The bitter resentment of the 'vanquished' on whose energy supplies you will come to depend on more and more?

lol

Is it the prestige of having 'defeated' this 'empire' you speak of (and what a laugh that is) by outspending it? Congratulations. If only all victories were so fulfilling, dolt.

The ineptitude of the russians helped as much as any strategic effort on the wests part to bring their brittle house of cards down - my sycophantic friend (yes I can use insults too dear lokos)


And then you wonder why the Russians would consider the United States a threat to their security. Taking pleasure in the misery of another won't earn you his friendship. But, then again, the US has never been interested in partners - merely constables. It has become the Hobbesian Leviathan.

Have far up your ass do you have to reach to pull this out? jesus christ rofl

Lokos

lol you need to a shoulder to cry on

keep that upper lip stiff lokos

[Lokos]

lol who said anything about a "prize"


Victory involves gain. What's the gain?


lol

Well, at least you're honest when you don't really have an answer.


The ineptitude of the russians helped as much as any strategic effort on the wests part to bring their brittle house of cards down - my sycophantic friend (yes I can use insults too dear lokos)

What ineptitude? Keeping up with the arms race by spending a third of the GDP on defence is 'ineptitude'? Since when? Congratulations for having the more robust economy, champion.


Have far up your ass do you have to reach to pull this out? jesus christ

Indeed?

Name some US partners. I will show you that they are merely constables. A hyperpower isn't interested in partners. It isn't interested in a multipolar world. Its interest is best served by unilateralism coupled with bilateral lip service. This is basic Western political science. I'm giving you a theoretical approach already being taught at Western universities.


ol you need to a shoulder to cry on

keep that upper lip stiff lokos

What are you, a ****ing five year old? Stop telling people that they need a shoulder to cry on. Again and again, the same old rubbish from you. Get a neuron. And, hopefully, some common sense. You're pathetic.

Lokos

[Russian_dude]

I think the US should concentrate on it's "friends" first, last time I checked, Ossama was hiding in Pakistan and most 9/11ers came from Saudi Arabia. What has Russia done lately that DIRECTLY threatens the average American and not some Haliburton suit's yearly bonus?

[sir-chimp]

Victory involves gain. What's the gain?

lol what loss
Well, at least you're honest when you don't really have an answer.

lol

What ineptitude? Keeping up with the arms race by spending a third of the GDP on defence is 'ineptitude'? Since when? Congratulations for having the more robust economy, champion.

nah everything was fine untill that magical day - then poooof

Indeed?

Name some US partners. I will show you that they are merely constables. A hyperpower isn't interested in partners. It isn't interested in a multipolar world. Its interest is best served by unilateralism coupled with bilateral lip service. This is basic Western political science. I'm giving you a theoretical approach already being taught at Western universities.

uncle sam booogy maaaaan boooooooooo

western universities - rofl

What are you, a ****ing five year old? Stop telling people that they need a shoulder to cry on. Again and again, the same old rubbish from you. Get a neuron. And, hopefully, some common sense. You're pathetic.

its ok lokos my little sycophantic apologist just let it out

Lokos


lol .

[Kak]

No, I live in the free part of the world, you on the other have been force fed with anti-western propaganda since birth.
I live in the United States of America, grew up in a incredibly religious Polish Catholic family that hates Communism and Russians, and I along with everyone else in the west have been fed anti-russian propaganda since birth. And I think what you are saying is ridiculous.

[Russian_dude]

I have always noticed that the most rabid anti-russians live in countries where they have next to no contact with them and have never been in their countries. It is the second generations Ukranian Canadians or Polish Canadians who always have some opinions on the country they claim to love, but never been to. Poles from Poland and Ukranians from Ukrain usually get on with Russians extremely well. Heck even the Baltick people often prefer to hang around with Russians. Hmmm, maybe us Russians are not so bad as people once you actually get to know us.

[Switek]

I have always noticed that the most rabid anti-russians live in countries where they have next to no contact with them and have never been in their countries. It is the second generations Ukranian Canadians or Polish Canadians who always have some opinions on the country they claim to love, but never been to. Poles from Poland and Ukranians from Ukrain usually get on with Russians extremely well. Heck even the Baltick people often prefer to hang around with Russians. Hmmm, maybe us Russians are not so bad as people once you actually get to know us.

Privately if I had a coice I'd prefer to overthrowa half or better a litre with Russians but I regret yo notice taht in mp.net world I became born Russians babies eater... :|

[TheArmenian]

Privately if I had a coice I'd prefer to overthrowa half or better a litre with Russians but I regret yo notice taht in mp.net world I became born Russians babies eater... :|

From the way you are writing and all the spelling mistakes you are making, I can guess that you have already had more than half a liter of that Vodka...

By the way is it Russian or Polish Vodka you are drinking?

[Switek]

From the way you are writing and all the spelling mistakes you are making, I can guess that you have already had more than half a liter of that Vodka...

By the way is it Russian or Polish Vodka you are drinking?

Just beer ;)

[Lokos]

lol what loss


So no gain, no loss, but victory?

Explain that.


nah everything was fine untill that magical day - then poooof


The Soviet economy struggled under the strain of the defence budget for over a decade, before the collapse of the USSR. Again; is it ineptitude because they couldn't afford to spend as much as the US, but did?


uncle sam booogy maaaaan boooooooooo

western universities -


'Uncle Sam' is a hyperpower uninterested in partners. I see that you have elected not to respond to my challenge.


its ok lokos my little sycophantic apologist just let it out


The sad thing is that you probably had to look up 'sycophant'. You're like a kid - all excited about this big new word you've learned, so you use it over and over again.


lol .

At what? Your inane ****? What is it that you add to this forum? 'LOL' seems to be about it, really.

Lokos

[Smersh]

I've never seen chimp make any serious comments on any thread. I wonder why moderators continue to let him be here.

[perdurabo]

I have always noticed that the most rabid anti-russians live in countries where they have next to no contact with them and have never been in their countries. It is the second generations Ukranian Canadians or Polish Canadians who always have some opinions on the country they claim to love, but never been to. Poles from Poland and Ukranians from Ukrain usually get on with Russians extremely well. Heck even the Baltick people often prefer to hang around with Russians. Hmmm, maybe us Russians are not so bad as people once you actually get to know us.
because Russians as peaple are great, but your leaders have tendency to point at us "look those evil poles will eat your babies like they did in XVIIth century" p-)

[Flamming_Python]

because Russians as peaple are great, but your leaders have tendency to point at us "look those evil poles will eat your babies like they did in XVIIth century" p-)

What leaders have done that?

That holiday thing? Please... :D

Poland is not considered an important potential adversary, it is simply too small. Now if there were problems with China and America on the other hand, than i'm sure that sort of stuff would happen, as it happens in every country.

[RomanS]

Everytime I see Lokos rip a new one, makes me all warm and giggly.

And all the other side can do is say lol

incredible !

Way to go Lokos. You do the owning with style.