(Video) Special Forces having fun with some AK-47's.

[D-gin]

Cool video of some SF gents at the range doing weapons drills and a little "juggling".....Hope you fellas like it.

If this is a repost or the mods feel that this is breaking OPSEC/PERSEC just delete.




http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1777279699

[Helo07]

Cool video there.. What a beard!

[Cheky]

hes breaking his own persec with that my space page. (cool vid, it just didnt seem right)

[Helo07]

hes breaking his own persec with that my space page. (cool vid, it just didnt seem right)

By the sounds of it, he isn't SF... He was just with some 'buddies' as it stated.

[D-gin]

hes breaking his own persec with that my space page. (cool vid, it just didnt seem right)

The gentleman who has the Myspace page I believe is in the 10th Mountain Div. The video is him and SF guys.

[Cheky]

my bad, i should really learn to read the fineprint :oops:

[uglybaby]

Good Times...Good Times..

[DevilDogHopeful]

Badass video! Thanks.

[Roman P.]

Nice vid..One fellow is very hairy...

[Chosen Man]

Very nice video. Do you reckon they actually hit anything?? p-)

[ShotOver]

Very professional shooting, the bloke with the mo` is unreal. Cheers D man

[wicked_hind]

Are those Hungarian AMD-65 rifles they're shooting?

[w1ldcard]

wicked!

great vid D-gin!

[Mike762]

They look like their having way too much fun. :)

[Pook2]

I'snt there a way to download these myspace movies as .flv files?


EDIT-nevermind, figured it out.

[vulgar]

well if they train every day all day, they hit everything.

Another question is, why shoot to a target only 50m away. Back in the days when I was inlisted we shoot to a targets at 150, 250 an 350m. And with AK47 (Zastava) is really simple to hit at 150. So at the range of 50m you can hit blindfolded.:)

Nice video. This SF dudes are like... dudes. ZZ top all the way :).

[D-gin]

I'snt there a way to download these myspace movies as .flv files?

I don't know how to but if anyone does please tell because I would like to have a copy this.

[Pook2]

I don't know how to but if anyone does please tell because I would like to have a copy this.

www.keepvid.com

[D-gin]

www.keepvid.com (http://www.keepvid.com)

Cheers Pook.

[Flamming_Python]

Lot's of beards.

Tell tale sign of eliteness :D

Well ok that and the impressive shooting tactics.

[el_kab0ng]

Yup.. those were AMD-65s.

You can tell they don't actively use the AK though based on the way they engage the selector switch. (Hence this was just another play day at the range it seems)

[Commander Shepard]

well if they train every day all day, they hit everything.

Another question is, why shoot to a target only 50m away. Back in the days when I was inlisted we shoot to a targets at 150, 250 an 350m. And with AK47 (Zastava) is really simple to hit at 150. So at the range of 50m you can hit blindfolded.:)

Nice video. This SF dudes are like... dudes. ZZ top all the way :).

What you undoubtedly did was shoot deliberate aimed shots at silhouettes (or equally sized targets) at 150, 250, and 350m from some sort of a supported position (****e, kneeling, sitting etc), similar to US Army Basic Rifle Marksmanship. The SF guys on the other hand were practicing reflexive fire, at 3" x 5" cards taped to those silhouettes which were being used as backers.

Two very different types of shooting there.

[w1ldcard]

.....just love the double-tap sounds hehehe

[flanker7]

Yup.. those were AMD-65s.

You can tell they don't actively use the AK though based on the way they engage the selector switch. (Hence this was just another play day at the range it seems)

What is the "correct" way to use the selector switch on AK type weapons? Or the more usual..

[silveykyle]

I wish I could have facial hair like that

[el_kab0ng]

What is the "correct" way to use the selector switch on AK type weapons? Or the more usual..

With any rifle work I teach, your firing hand never leaves the trigger. On an AK, this is a bit rough since the cocking handle and the selector switch are both on the right side of the weapon. (For lefties this is no big deal, for the rest of us it takes training to get it right.)

In any event, engaging the selector switch is as simple as reaching under the rifle and cupping your hand around the bottom of trigger guard directly behind the magazine well. Your index and middle fingers should now be able to reach the selector switch allowing you to pull down/push up to change positions.

For cocking, a slight tilt of the rifle to the right so that the cocking handle is at an angle allows your left hand to reach under and chamber a round. Some people train to rake the top receiver cover and catch the cocking handle with your pinky to chamber, but I find this to be difficult with most AKs. The only exception to this would be with 74 variants where the cocking handle has been turned "up" at manufacture allowing for the pinky to catch it more easily.

When done right, neither method removes the business end of your weapon from being pointed at your target.

I am in no way doubting the skills of the troopers shown in the video, I just think either they have never really been trained on the AK or they are just having a good time at the range. No big deal, really.. it's a cool video nonetheless.

[flanker7]

I was told that the usual method when patroling was not to have your hand on the pistol grip but rather a bit forward of it so as your trigger finger and middle finger can reach the selector. So that when you have to react in a hurry, like an ambush, you oull the selector down from safety and by continuing the movement your hand goes to the pistol grip and trigger....

[DevilDogHopeful]

www.keepvid.com (http://www.keepvid.com)

Thanks.

Do you by any chance know how to convert them into other file types?

[el_kab0ng]

I was told that the usual method when patroling was not to have your hand on the pistol grip but rather a bit forward of it so as your trigger finger and middle finger can reach the selector. So that when you have to react in a hurry, like an ambush, you oull the selector down from safety and by continuing the movement your hand goes to the pistol grip and trigger....

This violates the "no hands off the trigger" rule in my book. This also means that the shooter is probably not aiming his weapon properly while engaging the selector switch. The way I teach allows the rifle to already be at your shoulder and the first rounds sent down range as soon as the selector is dropped.

In any event, I'm not saying what you were told was wrong.. it's just not the way I would train on nor teach.

[flanker7]

Thanks for the answers. Helpfull!

[Silent 6]

Makes me wish I was at the range!

[Kak]

There are no AK-47s in that video.

Still cool though. :)

[w1ldcard]

There are no AK-47s in that video.

Still cool though. :)

yeap.

....the beast they're using, the Hungarian AMD65.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2842/dscn4903po1.jpg

:-)

[Wamba]

On the topic of how to engage the safety lever in the AK series. How do the aftermarket modified safety levers - see pics - actually performs in real life? Any one???

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l117/pedroesper/AK49-1.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l117/pedroesper/AK50.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l117/pedroesper/AKforwardgrip3.jpg

[ErkMichael1]

With any rifle work I teach, your firing hand never leaves the trigger. On an AK, this is a bit rough since the cocking handle and the selector switch are both on the right side of the weapon. (For lefties this is no big deal, for the rest of us it takes training to get it right.)

In any event, engaging the selector switch is as simple as reaching under the rifle and cupping your hand around the bottom of trigger guard directly behind the magazine well. Your index and middle fingers should now be able to reach the selector switch allowing you to pull down/push up to change positions.

For cocking, a slight tilt of the rifle to the right so that the cocking handle is at an angle allows your left hand to reach under and chamber a round. Some people train to rake the top receiver cover and catch the cocking handle with your pinky to chamber, but I find this to be difficult with most AKs. The only exception to this would be with 74 variants where the cocking handle has been turned "up" at manufacture allowing for the pinky to catch it more easily.

When done right, neither method removes the business end of your weapon from being pointed at your target.

I am in no way doubting the skills of the troopers shown in the video, I just think either they have never really been trained on the AK or they are just having a good time at the range. No big deal, really.. it's a cool video nonetheless.

This sounds great but on the majority of weapons as you hit the safe/selector switch your finger comes off the trigger assembly as your thumb(left side selector switch) hit the lever.Natural reaction plain and simple. Watch the video and you'll see even the guys on there with their M4's were taking finger off trigger to hit selector with thumb. I'm not saying this is bad in anyway, i'm just saying it sounds good on paper but it's going to vary with hand size(bigger hands easier to hit switches/more room to move without taking finger off trigger), Whatever is most effective/practical to the individual is more how i see it.

-Erkmich

[Pekhota]

Thought I'd bring this question up here. Why exactly do SF like that grow beards? Is it just because hey, why shave all the time when you dont have to, and its more comfortable against wind in the desert, or is it merely a sort of callsign of being a Special Forces guy?

[jagermeister]

cool video

[M_trace1187]

Thought I'd bring this question up here. Why exactly do SF like that grow beards? Is it just because hey, why shave all the time when you dont have to, and its more comfortable against wind in the desert, or is it merely a sort of callsign of being a Special Forces guy?

something about gaining the the trust of the afghan people.

[EffJi]

After whatching that I so want to buy a couple of dismanteled handgrenades. They're like the ultimate jugglnig prop. Just a little difficult to explain when you're caught with them outside Riksdagen :)

[el_kab0ng]

This sounds great but on the majority of weapons as you hit the safe/selector switch your finger comes off the trigger assembly as your thumb(left side selector switch) hit the lever.Natural reaction plain and simple. Watch the video and you'll see even the guys on there with their M4's were taking finger off trigger to hit selector with thumb. I'm not saying this is bad in anyway, i'm just saying it sounds good on paper but it's going to vary with hand size(bigger hands easier to hit switches/more room to move without taking finger off trigger), Whatever is most effective/practical to the individual is more how i see it.

-Erkmich

Although I appreciate the comment, please make sure you understand I was not referring to the trigger finger... I was talking about your firing hand. The right (or left for those lefties out there) hand should never leave the pistol grip for any reason during a firefight unless you are ditching your weapon for some reason. Even though your trigger finger might be at high register for safety reasons, your hand is always in place for any engagement.

[bzjr68]

Awesome !! thanx D-gin !!

[el_kab0ng]

On the topic of how to engage the safety lever in the AK series. How do the aftermarket modified safety levers - see pics - actually performs in real life? Any one???

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l117/pedroesper/AK49-1.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l117/pedroesper/AK50.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l117/pedroesper/AKforwardgrip3.jpg

I have a friend of mine who has modified a few selector switches to move forward the flap with decent success. This allows the index finger to engage the selector switch without using your other hand. The only downside I see is the leverage to drop the selector switch is not there (you'll notice this compared to a standard switch on a typical AK) which makes it more difficult to move.

Not to be a nay-sayer to after market work on AKs, but again training kicks in here. It's always best to train on the lowest common denomenator; since that's typically what you find when operating in hostile environments where AKs are plentiful.

If you train on the standard AK (of which there might be many variants, but things like the selector switch are ALWAYS the same), then you will be proficient when it comes time to commandeer one from a dead enemy.

Again, take everything I say with a grain of salt... as I'm sure there are others out there who have a better way of doing everything. I'm only relaying what I was taught and what I teach. It's gotten me this far, so it must be working. :-)

[ErkMichael1]

Although I appreciate the comment, please make sure you understand I was not referring to the trigger finger... I was talking about your firing hand. The right (or left for those lefties out there) hand should never leave the pistol grip for any reason during a firefight unless you are ditching your weapon for some reason. Even though your trigger finger might be at high register for safety reasons, your hand is always in place for any engagement.
Alright, all is understood now. Miscommunication is what happened. I interpreted "your firing hand never leaves the trigger" as, your firing finger should never leave the trigger. But, i can still activate the safety/firing selector on an AK without my palm/hand leaving the pistol grip. This is all without the aid of another hand.

-Erkmich

[ERTFREAK]

well if they train every day all day, they hit everything.

Another question is, why shoot to a target only 50m away. Back in the days when I was inlisted we shoot to a targets at 150, 250 an 350m. And with AK47 (Zastava) is really simple to hit at 150. So at the range of 50m you can hit blindfolded.:)

Nice video. This SF dudes are like... dudes. ZZ top all the way :).

Different time different mandate ... Close quarter/guerrilla warfare therefore fire and movement drills at closer range as for hitting the target blindfolded (if while walking) I would love to see that :|

[bigjeff]

I can't see it :(
Anybody can upload it onto youtube?