Bush Censorship....

[Johnnyringo]

Just wanted to know what the rest of the forum felt about the steps the Bush administration has taken to censor popular media like radio and t.v.. I just saw something on MTV (such a reliable news source) on a Louisiana lawmaker trying to ban low rise jeans... Anyone else think this sh*t is going too far?

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Thats pretty stupid, if they are telling you what to wear then what else would they like to control :roll:

[ibstolidude]

Just wanted to know what the rest of the forum felt about the steps the Bush administration has taken to censor popular media like radio and t.v.. I just saw something on MTV (such a reliable news source) on a Louisiana lawmaker trying to ban low rise jeans... Anyone else think this sh*t is going too far?
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Just wanted to know what the rest of the forum felt about the steps the Bush administration has taken to censor popular media like radio and t.v and
just saw something on MTV (such a reliable news source) on a Louisiana lawmaker trying to ban low rise jeans... - remotely related?

Define what steps please.

[Johnnyringo]

They're hopefully not related, it's just that when I see the federal government crackdown on free speech, and in one of the states a crackdown on freedom of "clothing"... my warning radar goes off. What does that say for the freedoms were fighting for? What does that say for the Taliban we kicked out?

Just wanted to raise some thoughts... let the flaming begin :lol:

[usa320]

i kinda dont blame em.

Im sick of watching smut on channels that arent supposed to be smutty, and im sick of seeing some guys ass hanging out of his pants as he trips over them.,

[chauncy republicans]

Just wanted to know what the rest of the forum felt about the steps the Bush administration has taken to censor popular media like radio and t.v.. I just saw something on MTV (such a reliable news source) on a Louisiana lawmaker trying to ban low rise jeans... Anyone else think this sh*t is going too far?
Yes, you have an exellent point. The govornment is also trying to send a man to prison for five to fifteen years(forgot his name) for his **** agency.*Note the **** agency was "extreme associates"(I think). They act out murders and rapes ect. I find this kind of media disgusting and downright offensive...if I were to happen to see it. After all, you have the freedom of expression not freedom from expression. I would never watch anything like this and I do think it should be filtered out of mainstream media, but sending a man to prison?

[cure]

hehe....talk about "freedom"...we cant even get the "read" news now

[Fintin]

just cause my jeans only have two bottons on the fly doesnt make them bad...they kick ass.....whats next...cant wear tight jeans.....then leather is gone.....hell why doesnt everyone, both male and female wear a figgin sheet over our heads....it pisses me off that people in government waist tax payers money like that....my jeans are low....not below my ass, and they arnt tripping me up....they are just a 70s vintage cut jean....why the hell should some fat ass tell me i cant wear my cloths i like them...people like them on me....im not paying taxes next year....this has been random ranting from fintin

[Midtown]

**** it, im not even gonna wear pants this week.

[HELEX]

Censoring Scientific Information

Fall 2003


The scientific data on which Americans rely is being manipulated by the Bush Administration, according to a new report, Politics and Science, prepared for Representative Henry Waxman of California by minority staff of the House Committee on Government Reform. It cites examples of censorship and “distortion of scientific information, interference with scientific research and manipulation of scientific committees” in federal agencies responsible for monitoring the nation’s food, water and medicine; medical research and disease control; education; defense; workplace safety; and the environment. For example:


Lead Poisoning: Secretary of Health and Human Services, Tommy Thompson, rejected eminently qualified scientists from the Center for Disease Control’s Advisory Committee on Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention in favor of industry consultants, including one who defends exposure levels that most scientists and the government rejected years ago.


Abortion and Breast Cancer Risk: In the summer of 2002, under pressure from opponents of abortion rights, the National Cancer Institute web site removed information rejecting a purported link between abortion and breast cancer, and, instead, called the evidence “inconclusive.” After protest by members of Congress, NCI convened a conference of leading experts on breast cancer. The panel concluded that “induced abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk.” On March 21, 2003 the NCI web site was updated with this conclusion.


Environmental Health: The Environmental Protection Agency altered its report on the environmental impact of a hydraulic fracturing process—a technology for processing oil and gas—which was developed by Halliburton, the company headed previously by Vice President **** Cheney. EPA reported that the process could result in excessive levels of benzene in drinking water. These data were later revised downwards, “‘based on feedback’ from an industry source.” Environmental risks of hydraulic fracturing were likewise deleted from a White House report.


Prescription Drug Advertising: The Food and Drug Administration mischaracterized a study on physician attitudes about prescription drug advertising, to support the position advanced by the pharmaceutical industry. In fact, most physicians surveyed did not think that such advertising is beneficial to patients.


Federally-funded medical research: HIV/AIDS researchers have reportedly been told that grant proposals with words like “gay” and “homo******” will be subject to “‘unusual scrutiny.’”


Global Warming: A supposedly comprehensive environmental report omitted any mention of global warming or climate change. White House advisors reviewed a draft that included a section on the subject, but the section was deleted from the final version. The petroleum industry questions the evidence for global warming, which is endorsed by most scientists and the National Academy of Science.


http://www.ncac.org/cen_news/cn91scientificinfo.htm

[ibstolidude]

Can ANYONE out there actually present a case of the BUSH administration issuing EO's or policy statements or anything of the sort that support some of this crap. The only things I have seen coming from the Bush Admin have been *** related. Anyone having anything that could actually be considered evidence, or is his admin just getting blamed for a practice that has been long in use?

[HELEX]

Evolution challenged in US schools

By the BBC's religious affairs reporter Mark Duff
Religious campaigners in the United States are to challenge the way evolution is taught in American schools in a debate likely to reignite arguments over the origins of life.

Supporters of a theory called Intelligent Design want the concept added to the school science curriculum in the state of Ohio, alongside Darwin's theory of evolution.

The discussion is being seen as the biggest public test yet of the new theory.

Even the president has cast his opinion on the matter of science versus religion.

During his election campaign, George W Bush made the following assertion.

"On the issue of evolution," he said, "the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth."

To secular listeners familiar with Mr Bush, this may have sounded like a gaffe.

It probably wasn't.

More likely, it reflected a deeply held belief among many fundamentalist Christians in the United States that unquestioning adherence to the theory of evolution has too often been used as an argument against the existence of God.

Divine plan

In the past, those same Christians have tried to get the Biblical explanation of creation taught as scientific fact.

What is being discussed in Ohio isn't a simple return to Creationism - as a literal belief in the Bible story is called.


Intelligent Design accepts that the universe is indeed very old.

But it argues that the diversity and complexity of life suggests that an "intelligent designer" has been at work.

What its supporters want, they say, is the right to challenge Darwin's theory scientifically.

Their critics argue that what it is really about is finding a backdoor way of getting Creationism into America's schools.

Even before the dust settles on the discussion, it has already shown just how deeply-ingrained the religious sentiment is in the world's most powerful and technologically advanced nation.

For many Americans, religion is still a keenly felt reality.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1866476.stm

[HELEX]

Lies About War, Economics, Science: President's Lies Are Never-Ending
by Bill Gallagher

The house of cards in the House of Bush is toppling. The whole administration is in serious disarray and everywhere you turn there is evidence that the once invincible and slick political operation is unraveling.

It would be a joy to watch if so many people didn't have to suffer and die because of the terrible policies and actions Bush has foisted on the world and the American people. From Nobel prize-winning scientists to the president's own cabinet members, the credibility of George W. Bush is under a barrage of attacks.

The deliberate deceits and lies that previously worked are no longer flying, as the public realizes the frauds and what's been happening. Now the truth is the administration's undoing.

Until recent weeks, Bush & Co. was noted for its discipline and focus, the loyalty of its minions and its ability to keep everyone "on message." No one dared wander. Everything was controlled. Disloyalty was dealt with swiftly.

Now there is public disorder and the voices of dissent are making noise. People are protecting their own hides and the "blame game" is in full stride. What we know and see is certainly only a minor reflection of the mess inside the West Wing, where Karl Rove, the president's brain, and his army of zealous Christian soldiers are working, now nervously, on the re-election campaign.

Like the occupation of Iraq, the re-election campaign was supposed to be a "cake walk." After the president's landing on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln and the banner declaration "Mission Accomplished," Bush's handlers viewed election 2004 as the road to coronation. America would have King George IV. George III, you'll recall, ran into the mess of the American Revolution, and the would-be George IV is now facing the revolt of the American people waking up to his lies and systematic deceptions.

We went to war in Iraq because we were told Saddam Hussein was an immediate threat to our national security and that he was in cahoots with international terrorists taking aim at the United States. Now the man singularly most responsible for creating that image of Saddam is admitting it was a lie. He should know. He did it.

Ahmed Chalabi for years has been the principle conduit for Iraqi defectors who provided information about what was going on in Saddam's Iraq. We now know the information was at best wildly off-the-mark and, in many cases, pure fabrications. But Chalabi just shrugs it off. No big deal.

In an interview with the London Daily Telegraph, the Iraqi National Congress leader said, "Our objective has been achieved. That tyrant Saddam is gone, and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important."

Chalabi's words were the wacky weed for the Bush warmongers. They puffed away on his assessments, dragging in the lies they were longing for in the first place and, in the haze of obsession to get Saddam by any means necessary, they took everything Chalabi said as sacred writ.

Why not? He was saying the things Bush and his boys wanted to hear. Vice President **** Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz pinned more value on Chalabi's reports and credibility than on all the other sources of intelligence on Iraq combined.

Warnings about the lack of truth in Chalabi's reports were simply ignored. The CIA was onto his lies and he failed a polygraph in May 2002. Intelligence agencies were warned Chalabi's information was unreliable. But his friends in the highest places chose to accept his word over the assessments of professionals who knew better.

Chalabi doesn't mind that, because of his lies, more than 500 Americans have died, more die every day, and we are faced with an indefinite occupation and mess in Iraq that is costing billions. Thousands of Iraqis are dead and the nation's infrastructure is in shambles.

But Chalabi's happy. "We are heroes in error," he said. "As far as we're concerned, we've been entirely successful." Tell that to the families of the dead.

And then he cavalierly added, "The Bush administration is looking for a scapegoat. We are ready to fall on our swords if (President Bush) wants." If Chalabi were an American, he should be tried for treason. The fact that George W. Bush and his crew would rely so much on such a despicable creep speaks volumes about them.

Remember, Chalabi was convicted in Jordan of embezzling millions from a bank in the late 1980s. He was sentenced to 22 years in prison. The Jordanians have been demanding the extradition of the convicted thief, but we're refusing to turn over our favorite liar.

One of Chalabi's great defenders has found his preferred scapegoat for the bogus intelligence before the invasion of Iraq. Richard Perle, a member and former chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, says that "heads should roll," and he wants top U.S. intelligence officers to resign.

Perle told the Christian Science Monitor, "When you discover that you have an organization that doesn't get it right time after time, you change the organization, including the people." Perle takes dead aim at CIA Director George Tenet, two weeks after President Bush gave him a vote of confidence. "George Tenet has been at the CIA long enough to assume responsibility for its performance. There is a record of failure and it should be addressed in some serious way," Perle said. He also called for the resignation of Navy Vice Admiral Lowell Jacoby, the head of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency.

Perle, bear in mind, is an appointee of the Secretary of Defense to the Defense Policy Board. How is it that a man Donald Rumsfeld appointed can take positions directly counter to the president? Why the lack of discipline? Or maybe Perle is a stalking horse for others in the administration who are looking to pin all the intelligence failures on the CIA and the uniformed military.

But perhaps Perle is upset because the CIA took on his pal, the thief and professional liar Ahmed Chalabi. "His detractors, by and large ... are the people who know him the least, and his defenders are the people who know him best. ... The CIA has been engaged in a character assassination of Ahmad Chalabi for years now, and it's a disgrace," Perle whined.

Chalabi committed character suicide long ago. Only Perle, whose own financial affairs and influence-peddling have a heavy stench, would run to defend a man who lied to get the war he wanted, aided, of course, by vermin like Perle himself.

Bush & Co. is also perplexed over economic forecasting and job creation. The annual Economic Report of the President sent to the Congress contains glowing projections for job growth this year. The reports projects 2.6 million new jobs in 2004.

Before the ink was even dry on the rosy report, the administration was backpedaling. Treasury Secretary John Snow distanced himself from the forecast, saying the administration was uneasy with specific job growth numbers.

Then the president avoided embracing his own jobs report, offering this strange assessment. "I think the economy is growing, and I think it's going to get stronger," the vague president said. Yes, and I'll bet it rains in April and gets hot in July.

White House flack Scott McClellan repeatedly refused to endorse the administration's own jobs forecast. "The president is not a statistician," McClellan said. I'll say. And given the size of the Bush deficits and the record $7 trillion in national debt, I wonder if George W. is capable of simple arithmetic like adding and subtracting.

But Bush is well-versed in an important facet of statistics. Start with the truth in economic issues and everything else and George W. takes a standard deviation from it.

Oh, well, you say. That's politics. Economics is a nebulous "soft" science. All those politicians stretch the truth a bit and fudge now and again. Nothing new here. Think again.

The Bush administration is deliberately suppressing, censoring, distorting and manipulating science to serve its political purposes. That's the conclusion of a distinguished group of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates and several science advisers to past Republican presidents.

The Union of Concerned Scientists, an independent organization, issued a report, "Scientific Integrity in Policymaking," that details the accusations. The report was undertaken following numerous complaints from top scientists.

"We found a serious pattern of undermining science by the Bush administration, and it crosses disciplines, whether it's global climate changes or reproductive health or mercury in the food chain, or forestry -- the list goes on and on," said Kevin Knobloch, president of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

We shouldn't be surprised that the same people who lied about the reasons for war would try to twist science to suit their political agenda.

The challenge for George W. Bush, Karl Rove, their corporate sponsors and the radical Christian right is clear. They must come up with bigger and better lies to stay in power. The old ones are failing.

Bill Gallagher, a Peabody Award winner, is a former Niagara Falls city councilman who now covers Detroit for Fox2 News.

[Merik]

Ummm what exactly is Bush censoring towards freedom of speech?

[ibstolidude]

HELEX neither article reflects actions taken to censure US media outlets.

typical someone asks for apples you offer oranges and think "hah I showed them" - I am no Bush fan but no more than I support some of the bul**** posted about Kerry do I support bull**** supported about Bush -

It nevers ceases to amaze me how a person will call someone a liar and use their own dishonesty to show how the other poerson in negative light - we call that the pot and the kettle.