minority Presidents....

[camerashy]

Lets say that in 20 years the latino population is larger than that of the european Americans, IE whitey. LOLOL Kidding.
So if the next President elected were white, would that make them the first minority President?

EDIT: 20 years is speculation, it will probably happen sooner seeing how the Catholic church won't allow condoms or pulling out.

[gaijinsamurai]

I suppose so.
Then, can we "whiteys" be eligible for Affirmative Action?

(actually, my dad benefitted from it, so I can't complain too much.)

[camerashy]

Well I think affirmative action is slowly dying, as it should. Lets not forget that AA was designed solely because of white guilt for slavery.
AA doesn't help anyone, especially non-whites. University of Cali V Bakke is a prime example. Smart white guy, Bakke, did great on his entry exams to the UC medical school. He didn't get in becasue they had to have more diversity. They eventually let him in after 8 months. Personally, I would prefer to have a brilliant white doctor operate on me than another black man who is pretty good.

[gaijinsamurai]

My dad applied for a job as an electrician for the city government in my hometown. First, he listed "white" as his race, and didn't get an interview. Then, he applied a second time and listed "native american" (he's 1/4), and was hired. He didn't feel good about it, but thought it was what he had to do to get the job (he had over 20 years of experience when he applied).

[camerashy]

My dad applied for a job as an electrician for the city government in my hometown. First, he listed "white" as his race, and didn't get an interview. Then, he applied a second time and listed "native american" (he's 1/4), and was hired. He didn't feel good about it, but thought it was what he had to do to get the job (he had over 20 years of experience when he applied).

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for manipulating the system to get what you want. I actually think it is pretty awesome that he got the job. I wonder what the interviewer was thinking when they first saw his white ass?? LOLOL
EDIT: You'll have to forgive me for my racial vulgarity. I just think people are still too sensitive about race... I heard an old guy in Georgia use the word "darkie" and I laughed my ass off!!

[Ordie]

Lets say that in 20 years the latino population is larger than that of the european Americans, IE whitey. LOLOL Kidding.
So if the next President elected were white, would that make them the first minority President?

EDIT: 20 years is speculation, it will probably happen sooner seeing how the Catholic church won't allow condoms or pulling out.

Define Latino/Hispanic?

A Latino could be an Argentine of Italian Heritage, Cuban of African Heritage, A Peruvian of Japanese Heritage, A Panamanian of Chinese Heritage, or a Mexican of Irish Heritage.

The Catholic Church dominance among Latinos in the US is being challenged. Partly due to the lack of Spanish Speaking clergy and inaccesibility of churches and parishes in rural communities or communities that have not had a traditional Catholic presence (i.e The South).

Moreover, the fastest growing segment within the Evangelical/Penticostal (Major GOP supporter) movement are Latino immigrants. The major motivation is to break from the past (i.e. old country) and spiritual fullfillment. It is not common for Latino immigrant families to be of mixed legal resident/undocumented/Catholic/Evangelical at the same time.

Yet the Latinos who do vote are ideal GOP voters (Social Conservatives, enterpenural, family values, high percentage of military service....etc...) However, many have kin who are undocumented and are put off by the recent negative immigration policies of the far right GOP. This is why they'll continue to vote Democratic. The Nevada primaries will give us a picture on how the Latinos will vote.

Usually first generation immigrants have more kids. Subsequent generations, with education and jobs tend to have fewer kids. A very small minority of Catholics follow the dictates of the Holy See. The majority of Catholics in the US irregularly attened mass and are secular by nature.

[gaijinsamurai]

No offense taken, Camerashy!
In the Marine Corps, we were usually very free with our choice of words, and didn't worry about being "politically correct", because we knew that when it came down to it, 99% of us had the utmost respect for each other, whatever the race. When you know your fellow Marine would dive on a grenade for you, it doesn't matter if he's Black, White, Latino, or Asian.
Upon returning to the civilian world, I quickly learned that a person has to be very careful in how they talk, and if they aren't they can get burned quickly.

About the issue of Latinos, it is funny that when I lived in Latin America (Guatemala and El Salvador), a person of Spanish descent was considered "white", with all the priviledge that went along with it. Then, I went to college in the US, and saw all these light skinned people with Spanish last names ranting about persecution, "Azatlan", and solidarity with "La Raza". I found it difficult to take seriously.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Lets say that in 20 years the latino population is larger than that of the european Americans, IE whitey. LOLOL Kidding.
So if the next President elected were white, would that make them the first minority President?


That's an interesting question...

but IMHO don't think so - because no matter what logic and common sense dictates, "minority status" has become tied to income redistribution and preferential hiring practices under our system. Therefore, the system, those making a living from it, and those benefiting from it will take measures to preserve the status quo. So minorities will continue to be minorities even if they are majorities, so long as the former majority is where the money is to be found. The civil rights industry will lobby to have the name changed to "traditional minority" or some such contrivance, and money will carry the day.

An example of this is that there are already lots of big cities where, for example, blacks make up a majority of the population (and the list is bigger for smaller communities);

1 Gary, Indiana 84.03
2 Detroit, Michigan 81.55
3 Baldwin Hills, California 80.07
4 Birmingham, Alabama 73.46
5 Jackson, Mississippi 70.64
6 New Orleans, Louisiana 67.25
7 Baltimore, Maryland 64.34
8 Memphis, Tennessee 61.41
9 Atlanta, Georgia 61.39
10 Washington, D.C. 60.01
11 Richmond, Virginia 57.19
12 Savannah, Georgia 57.08
13 Newark, New Jersey 53.46
14 Flint, Michigan 53.27
15 St. Louis, Missouri 51.20

And whites in those communities are not "minorities" or eligible for various state and federal benefits. So I'd guess we'd see the same thing on a larger scale?

Not that it really matters to your question (since you were probably just pulling a number out of the air I suppose) - but it will be a while longer before those self-identifying as Hispanic or Latino constitute a majority.


The projected Hispanic population of the United States for July 1, 2050, is of 102.6 million people. According to this projection, Hispanics will constitute 24% of the nation’s total population on that date.[4] These projections, however, are based on the problematic assumption that the children of the people who identify today as Latino or Hispanic will necessarily identify as Latino or Hispanic fifty years from now. Given that Hispanic is an ethnic identifier in the US Census, there is reason to believe that it will decrease in popularity as some Hispanics assimilate and become unhyphenated Americans

[Ordie]

Several states are now in the minority-majority realm.
These are states where the white population is less than 50%.

They include:
Hawaii
California
New Mexico
Texas
District of Columbia

The white population had fallen below 60% in the following states and are expected to enter the minority-majority status:
Maryland
Georgia
Nevada

For me the minority-majority terminology is a bit misleading. If you break it down into the municipal level in some cases there is no clear majority nor minority.

Fremont California for example is a good case. 47 % of the population is white, 36 % are Asians (Chinese/Indians/Afghan) the rest are Latinos, African Americans and others. However being a minority does not equate to low socio-economic status. The median income for Fremont residents is $82,000 per year. Its more minority - non minority status.

Given the demographics, its going to be a lot of fun when both Nevada and California have early presidential primaries. The only westerners are McCain of Arizona and Richardson of New Mexico. Given the Clinton's personal connection in California and Guiliani's fiscal conservative vision they stand a good chance in winning.

[bugkill]

That's an interesting question...

but IMHO don't think so - because no matter what logic and common sense dictates, "minority status" has become tied to income redistribution and preferential hiring practices under our system. Therefore, the system, those making a living from it, and those benefiting from it will take measures to preserve the status quo. So minorities will continue to be minorities even if they are majorities, so long as the former majority is where the money is to be found. The civil rights industry will lobby to have the name changed to "traditional minority" or some such contrivance, and money will carry the day.

An example of this is that there are already lots of big cities where, for example, blacks make up a majority of the population (and the list is bigger for smaller communities);

1 Gary, Indiana 84.03
2 Detroit, Michigan 81.55
3 Baldwin Hills, California 80.07
4 Birmingham, Alabama 73.46
5 Jackson, Mississippi 70.64
6 New Orleans, Louisiana 67.25
7 Baltimore, Maryland 64.34
8 Memphis, Tennessee 61.41
9 Atlanta, Georgia 61.39
10 Washington, D.C. 60.01
11 Richmond, Virginia 57.19
12 Savannah, Georgia 57.08
13 Newark, New Jersey 53.46
14 Flint, Michigan 53.27
15 St. Louis, Missouri 51.20

And whites in those communities are not "minorities" or eligible for various state and federal benefits. So I'd guess we'd see the same thing on a larger scale?

Not that it really matters to your question (since you were probably just pulling a number out of the air I suppose) - but it will be a while longer before those self-identifying as Hispanic or Latino constitute a majority.

hey dude, you have to remember that many whites "chose" to leave those big cities and ran to the suburbs. also, it is about the makeup of the state, not just the cities. we (blacks) make up to about 13-14% of the country and that ain't s**t. the hispanic population has just passed us up and is the largest ethnic group outside of whites.

i'm just getting tired of all this talk about us (blacks) as if we upset the balance of white americans in this country. do you realise how many "all white" towns there are in this country? people keep talking about AA, but aren't we in a crisis when it concerns young black males in jail or being dead? so, please tell me how we are taking jobs from white men at an alarming rate? you can't and i think the whole AA argument is bogus, the numbers just don't add up.

i just wish that all this talk about race, especially within the black community, would just go away. it seems that everyone is using emotions to express their opinions and not just facts. i'm cool to everyone, black or whatever, and i only deal with individuals that deserve respect. i don't piss and moan about the past because it is what it is....history.

i'm 100% american, not african-american or any other bullsh**t, i'm all american. people from my ethnic group were here before the united states was even created and we have fought in EVERY war that this country has been in, including the one that led to what our country is today. i love my country and i have fought for it. i did'nt fight for just the black population, i did it for all americans and people just need to start looking at one another as americans.

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[justagoodolboy]

An example of this is that there are already lots of big cities where, for example, blacks make up a majority of the population (and the list is bigger for smaller communities);

1 Gary, Indiana 84.03
2 Detroit, Michigan 81.55
3 Baldwin Hills, California 80.07
4 Birmingham, Alabama 73.46
5 Jackson, Mississippi 70.64
6 New Orleans, Louisiana 67.25
7 Baltimore, Maryland 64.34
8 Memphis, Tennessee 61.41
9 Atlanta, Georgia 61.39
10 Washington, D.C. 60.01
11 Richmond, Virginia 57.19
12 Savannah, Georgia 57.08
13 Newark, New Jersey 53.46
14 Flint, Michigan 53.27
15 St. Louis, Missouri 51.20



I think a lot of these statistics can be drawn directly to the end of the civil war. During reconstruction, many blacks fled to Northern cities where jobs (as a result of the great industrial revolution blah blah blah) were available, or the Southern cities, where Northerners held much authority and influence. It's been argued that the large southern cities of today are nothing like those of their former, pre-civil war selves, but are almost little pieces of the North on the wrong side of the mason dixon line.

That's my little bit of useful information for the day.

Back to the topic on hand, the only minority I can think of right now remotley in a position to win the presidency that I would vote for is Walter E. Williams.

That is one smart son of a

[2Sheds_Jackson]

hey dude, you have to remember that many whites "chose" to leave those big cities and ran to the suburbs. also, it is about the makeup of the state, not just the cities. we (blacks) make up to about 13-14% of the country and that ain't s**t. the hispanic population has just passed us up and is the largest ethnic group outside of whites.

Well I don't disagree with you here- but I don't think any of that makes a difference. Minority status has nothing to do with why one is a minority, only that one is. Humans of course experience reality on the local level as well - so what does it matter if the world outside a 300 mile radius is different? AA polices are designed to override the supposed racial biases of racist hiring managers and bigoted college admissions clerks etc. - and in those cities, you'll find most of them are black (and are probably women). Therefore, their racial/gender biases would be exactly the opposite of what AA policies are designed to correct.



i'm just getting tired of all this talk about us (blacks) as if we upset the balance of white americans in this country. do you realise how many "all white" towns there are in this country? people keep talking about AA, but aren't we in a crisis when it concerns young black males in jail or being dead? so, please tell me how we are taking jobs from white men at an alarming rate? you can't and i think the whole AA argument is bogus, the numbers just don't add up.

But there's an important difference between the the issue of government sanctioned discrimination via AA, and the number of young black men in jail. Yes, they are both issues that deserve attention. But the difference is that of personal destiny being determined by one's own actions. AA policies institute an external limitation on one's potential - i.e. the government tells you that you can't have a job or get into a school because you're the wrong color, age, or gender. One winds up in prison because of one's own actions. We're supposed to be accountable for our actions. We're not supposed to be discriminated against by our government. If there is an evil to be found between the two - I have to point at the fact that the government has codified polices that, were I as an individual to implement them, would put me in jail.


i just wish that all this talk about race, especially within the black community, would just go away. it seems that everyone is using emotions to express their opinions and not just facts. i'm cool to everyone, black or whatever, and i only deal with individuals that deserve respect. i don't piss and moan about the past because it is what it is....history.

i'm 100% american, not african-american or any other bullsh**t, i'm all american. people from my ethnic group were here before the united states was even created and we have fought in EVERY war that this country has been in, including the one that led to what our country is today. i love my country and i have fought for it. i did'nt fight for just the black population, i did it for all americans and people just need to start looking at one another as americans.

I'm onboard with you 100%. I think that any group identifying themselves as hyphenated-Americans is doing both themselves and the nation a disservice. Anybody perpetuating it as a business is probably a scumbag. I think one of America's greatest strengths is our ability to keep the past in the past, and focus instead on improving the future. Anybody who keeps revisiting the past in an effort to correct it will find an endless list of grievances to address...and they'll never be satisfied. That being said, I do think we owe it to ourselves to do our best to use the values we hold as a nation to fix any current inequeties....

[Tyler Durden 95]

No idea. Demographic forecast are often proven wrong. Black were about 13% of the american population two centuries ago. About the same as they are today.

The hispanic population will end up stabilizing too. Despite Buchanan, Huntington and others worrying everyone about this.

[Ordie]

No idea. Demographic forecast are often proven wrong. Black were about 13% of the american population two centuries ago. About the same as they are today.

The hispanic population will end up stabilizing too. Despite Buchanan, Huntington and others worrying everyone about this.

We'll all end up with a brother-in-law named Jose or Jeff if you're Latino.