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Lazy Lob
02-21-2007, 04:17 AM
Lessons never learned

Opinion | Thursday, February 15th, 2007 | 12:58 am | Trackback

By CLIFF MAY

“Our enemies are little worms. I saw them at Munich.”

That was Hitler’s appraisal of the leaders of Britain and France he hosted in the Bavarian capital in 1938. British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain had requested the meeting “to find a peaceful solution” to growing tension over Nazi Germany’s grievances and demands.

The outcome: an attempt to appease Hitler through the betrayal of Czechoslovakia. “Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonor,” Winston Churchill remarked at the time. “They chose dishonor. They will have war.”

In 1972, Munich again was linked to appeasement: Palestinian terrorists massacred 11 Israeli Olympic athletes. The group responsible was guided by Palestine Liberation Organization Chairman Yasser Arafat. Nevertheless, Arafat received more encouragement than condemnation: He was invited to address the UN where “the question of Palestine” rose to the top of the agenda; it has remained there ever since with no resolution in sight.

Against this backdrop, last weekend I attended the 43rd annual Munich Conference on Security Policy, a gathering of the international political elite: presidents and prime ministers, defense and foreign secretaries, ambassadors, scholars and journalists from more than 40 countries.

The conference was opened by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. She surveyed a minefield of world crises but proposed little in the way of strategies to resolve them, other than “Peace through Dialogue” — the conference’s slogan prominently displayed in German and English behind her on the stage.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., asked Merkel if there was not a “global moral responsibility to stop the genocide” of black Muslims in Sudan. She agreed there was, but added that before action could be contemplated “the African Union has to make clear what it thinks.”

Russia’s Vladimir Putin was the next world leader to take the microphone. He launched into a venomous attack on America, charging that because of Washington “nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law,”

The possibility that international law is not meant to conceal despots was not raised with him. However, Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., did ask Putin to explain why he was selling nuclear technology and sophisticated surface-to-air missile systems to the regime in Tehran. “We don’t want Iran to feel cornered in a hostile region,” the Russian president said dismissively.

Only seven weeks into his new job, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates decided not to respond to Putin in kind. Instead, he remarked that the former KGB officer’s words “almost filled me with nostalgia for a less complex time. Almost. … one Cold War was quite enough.”

Finally, there was Ali Larijani, the Secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, playing the role of the indignant revolutionary deigning to address the benighted emissaries of a dying order. “What is important,” he sternly instructed, “is that the world undergoes fundamental changes.”

Cunningly, he appealed for multicultural tolerance: “In the West you have adopted secularism as the basis of democracy. Our democracy is based on Islamic thoughts.” Assuming the mantle of victim, he complained that “in the West, the defamation of the Prophet of Islam is being supported.”

As for Iran’s nuclear program, he insisted it is intended only to generate electricity. “We have no intention of aggression against any country,” he said, sounding offended by the very thought. He added that, on the contrary, “We are a victim of terrorism.” At whose hands, he did not specify.

Larijani sternly set down the rules for those wishing to question him: He was not to be asked about “suspension of uranium enrichment, the Holocaust or Israel.”

Perhaps the sharpest rejoinder came from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. “It must have been difficult for you to say what you said,” he told the Iranian official. “Because it was difficult for me to listen.”

Graham observed: “No one who denies the Holocaust can be trusted with nuclear materials.” And he advised Larijani to “Go visit Dachau,” the Nazi concentration camp preserved as a memorial in Munich’s bucolic suburbs; an unintended consequence of the policy of appeasement.

In contrast with Graham and other members of the American delegation — which also included Senators John McCain and Jon Kyl — few European leaders seemed distressed by Larijani. If anything, they congratulated themselves for having invited him to Munich to begin a process of “peace though dialogue.”

As for what Larijani and his fellow Islamist revolutionaries think of their European hosts, one can only surmise. But I suspect it is not too far from the Fuhrer’s appraisal of those he humiliated in Munich nearly 70 years ago.

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imohammed2
02-23-2007, 02:24 AM
wanna summarize this please??

apm
02-23-2007, 05:59 AM
to sum it up with one word: polemic.

the listed examples are not comparable due to entire different backgrounds, aims and results.

Lazy Lob
02-23-2007, 07:25 AM
He is not trying to compare the backgrounds. It seems he is just explaining how appeasement came about in different eras and the result. Of course the backgrounds are different. He is highlighting the disdain appeasers are regarded with.

The European political elite, if you can call them that, seem to believe that their touchie feely approach to vote grabbing at home (by trying to accommodate the most vociferous sectors of society) will yield fruits in the international arena. It won’t. That is comparing the incomparable.

They have an almost infantile outlook on life. Just because you share one pet hate with some one else does not mean they don’t consider you scum as well.

Some European leaders are going one step further. This is their pet hate: They have such a rancid and overpowering hate of the US and anything Western conservative that they end up shooting their nose to spite their face.

The concept of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” will not work here. “New” Socialism’s alliances with extreme Islam and other anti US groups are purely opportunistic. They haven’t grasped the reality that their new allies work along very different lines. Unlike them, they have a very defined and focused outlook on life. The real extremists will make all the right noises and will use the “new” socialism’s parasitic approach to policies to suit their purposes.

The “new” socialists’ allies despise homo******ity, do not tolerate other faiths regardless of their tolerant sound bites, subjugate women etc. They couldn’t be more dissimilar.

The A-Jad problem is a difficult and complex one. What the US and Europe do NOT need is a chorus of different voices in international negotiations and be very wary of appeasement as it creeps up on you whether you realise it or not. Then it’s too late.

apm
02-23-2007, 08:46 AM
He is not trying to compare the backgrounds. It seems he is just explaining how appeasement came about in different eras and the result. Of course the backgrounds are different. He is highlighting the disdain appeasers are regarded with.

The European political elite, if you can call them that, seem to believe that their touchie feely approach to vote grabbing at home (by trying to accommodate the most vociferous sectors of society) will yield fruits in the international arena. It won’t. That is comparing the incomparable.

They have an almost infantile outlook on life. Just because you share one pet hate with some one else does not mean they don’t consider you scum as well.

Some European leaders are going one step further. This is their pet hate: They have such a rancid and overpowering hate of the US and anything Western conservative that they end up shooting their nose to spite their face.

The concept of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” will not work here. “New” Socialism’s alliances with extreme Islam and other anti US groups are purely opportunistic. They haven’t grasped the reality that their new allies work along very different lines. Unlike them, they have a very defined and focused outlook on life. The real extremists will make all the right noises and will use the “new” socialism’s parasitic approach to policies to suit their purposes.

The “new” socialists’ allies despise homo******ity, do not tolerate other faiths regardless of their tolerant sound bites, subjugate women etc. They couldn’t be more dissimilar.

The A-Jad problem is a difficult and complex one. What the US and Europe do NOT need is a chorus of different voices in international negotiations and be very wary of appeasement as it creeps up on you whether you realise it or not. Then it’s too late.

i do wonder who you are talkin about...because in my humble opinion your interpretation of the article is compared to that text polemic as well.

Lazy Lob
02-23-2007, 10:15 AM
i do wonder who you are talkin about...because in my humble opinion your interpretation of the article is compared to that text polemic as well.

The interpretation is just in my first paragraph. The rest is not an interpretation but an extrapolative rant. Polemic? Most definitely but I feel much better after a good pugnacious rant.

apm
02-23-2007, 10:23 AM
The interpretation is just in my first paragraph. The rest is not an interpretation but an extrapolative rant. Polemic? Most definitely but I feel much better after a good pugnacious rant.

p-) that´s your good right. nevertheless i (really) would like to know to which european leaders you refer your statement.