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AussieJohnDoe
02-23-2007, 07:40 AM
This is an old article, but it's good to see non-Infantry types getting some recognition. Has anyone here received one yet?



The evolving face of the battlefield has been recognised with the release of the new Army Combat Badge (ACB). The ACB recognises the service of non-infantry regular and reserve personnel who are force-assigned to a combat team or battle group and participate in war fighting against an armed enemy on warlike operations.

http://www.heritagemedals.com.au/images/news/images_med/aa_acb.jpg

CA Lt-Gen Peter Leahy said the decision to issue the ACB reflected how Australian soldiers were involved in a new type of warfare.

“We see now in our combined arms teams that infantry, armour and combat service support are all essentially doing the same job,” Lt-Gen Leahy said.

“A good example of this was AMTG1, who I have just welcomed home. There, the infantry and the armour troops had been doing the same task. Battle groups and combat teams are now a part of the hardened and networked Army, a part of complex warfare and a part of combined arms warfare. So we can now recognise the performance of all of the people in those combat teams and battle groups.”

The ACB is similar to the Infantry Combat Badge (ICB) and has similar qualifying conditions, but does not replace the ICB. Members who wear the ICB or are eligible to be awarded the ICB are not entitled to wear or be awarded the ACB.

The badge can only be issued once, and there is no retrospectivity, so issue will be limited to those personnel who were on qualifying operations at the time the badge was introduced. This includes the AMTG in Iraq and the Special Operations Task Group in Afghanistan.

There are also provisions for the ACB to be issued in special circumstances, such as when personnel become involved in direct combat during peacekeeping operations. Details on eligibility and authority to wear the badge will be contained in a soon to be released Defence Instruction.

Lt-Gen Leahy said he was very pleased with the design of the new burnished-bronze badge, which features crossed swords over a laurel wreath.

“It’s fitting recognition for the service people have done in difficult and dangerous circumstances,” he said. “I hope that soldiers will wear it with pride.”

Source: Army News, CPL Cameron Jamieson.

NB: No replicas of this badge are available.

ShotOver
02-23-2007, 07:44 AM
Looks more fancy than the ICB

Opening Batsman
02-23-2007, 07:47 AM
http://www.defence.gov.au/army/RAINF/ICB/ICB.jpg
Not a lot of difference really. :p

ShotOver
02-23-2007, 07:52 AM
It's gold and has 1 more fighting knife on it.

digrar
02-23-2007, 07:58 AM
One is highly desired and one will rapidly become a joke (some might say that both are heading that way......)

Opening Batsman
02-23-2007, 08:02 AM
It's gold and has 1 more fighting knife on it.

Thanks for that detailed analysis, it is just as well one of us has eyes. Numpty.p-)

ShotOver
02-23-2007, 08:02 AM
One is highly desired and one will rapidly become a joke (some might say that both are heading that way......)

Join the ranks of the South Fremantle Medal (4 Year medal)?

digrar
02-23-2007, 08:07 AM
I don't have a problem with the ADM, I haven't got around to filling my paperwork out for mine, my care factor isn't overly high, but it's nice for someone who served for a decade back in the 80s to get some recognition of their service.

XIE
02-23-2007, 08:08 AM
The ACB could become a joke if not issued and controlled correctly. I know alot of guys who wear it with pride atm.

ShotOver
02-23-2007, 08:10 AM
I certainly agree with it for the boys in the Cav, they roll outside the wire with the Infantry, so why not.

Opening Batsman
02-23-2007, 08:14 AM
I haven't got around to filling my paperwork out for mine, my care factor isn't overly high

Just another one to throw on the pile right, Medal-Boy?p-)

digrar
02-23-2007, 08:16 AM
It's not much of a pile.

Opening Batsman
02-23-2007, 08:18 AM
Stop passively destroying my insults.

velvet-cream
02-23-2007, 12:39 PM
I certainly agree with it for the boys in the Cav, they roll outside the wire with the Infantry, so why not.

Too right for the recon scouts. And also for those who are attached to infantry, and take the same risks / fight with them.

LRPV
02-25-2007, 10:07 PM
I suppose its better than the AIRN. Bling. Once upon a time if you saw ribbon or metal on an Aussie uniform it meant something.

Yesterday we were told that Australian flags would be issued for use on Auscam Working Dress. Now awaiting a breast pocket tag that reads "ARMY".


http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/badges-new-aussie/airn.jpg
AIRN badge....bling for just doing your job.

ShotOver
02-25-2007, 10:10 PM
Reckon we will issue a Steyr Qual badge soon? Or maybe a medal for graduating from Basic training? The septics love that crap. Maybe even a seamanship qual medal or some other randoms, will fill out my pollies quite nicely.

LRPV
02-25-2007, 10:20 PM
Reckon we will issue a Steyr Qual badge soon? Or maybe a medal for graduating from Basic training? The septics love that crap. Maybe even a seamanship qual medal or some other randoms, will fill out my pollies quite nicely.

THe AIRN is just that. Pass a BFA, F88 qual, medical and dental up to date...good to go..just add bling.

ShotOver
02-25-2007, 10:24 PM
Yeah, forgot what the Army called theirs. Our Sea Readyness Badges had a bit more meaning to them, different badges and colours for what sea going you were getting. More of a "how much time up you have" thing. Also had the PFA, F88 med and dental.. etc.

Silver anchor
Gold anchor
Silver star
Gold star

That 4 year medal seems like the start of more bling for all, in my opinion. I won't mind getting it though ( :lol: ) since I won't be getting that Iraq one...

digrar
02-25-2007, 10:29 PM
Did the gold AIRN for 5 years of continuous AIRN compliance ever get up?

Opening Batsman
02-25-2007, 10:29 PM
What is this AIRN thing?

velvet-cream
02-25-2007, 10:34 PM
army individual readiness notification

ShotOver
02-25-2007, 10:34 PM
What is this AIRN thing?

A readyness badge, you wear it when your medical, dental, PFA and weapon Quals are all upto scratch. I guess it saves people looking through your PmKeys.

Opening Batsman
02-25-2007, 10:35 PM
I see.:|
...

ShotOver
02-25-2007, 10:39 PM
I see.:|
...

Something to get picked up on by a WO1 or a CPO when you are cruising around your base.
"Where is your Readyness Badge, sailor!?"
- "Chief - the dental dept said I can't wear it because I need a filling."
- "Chief - I havent been to the WTSS this year to get my F88 requal."
- "Chief - I am out of date for my PFA."

"Well get it done then"

is usually the answer to all of them.

LRPV
02-25-2007, 11:00 PM
Did the gold AIRN for 5 years of continuous AIRN compliance ever get up?

To my knowledge....and best hopes...no. I have never seen one worn. Most people I know resent the AIRN badges, and more than a few have well earnt service awards. (eg Timor p-) )

LRPV
02-26-2007, 12:46 AM
Off on a tangent....

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5396718,00.jpg (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/index/0,,31477,00.html#)

The national flag is below the Rising Sun. Must be some RSMs spitting dummies over that breach of D.I.s. (National flag should not be worn underneath other patches).

Opening Batsman
02-26-2007, 12:50 AM
Tut tut.:p
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/Auzzzie/Ex%20Tigris%2011%202%2007/20060211adf8262658_094_lo.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/Auzzzie/Ex%20Tigris%2011%202%2007/20070208adf8262658_016_lo.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/Auzzzie/Ex%20Tigris%2011%202%2007/20070208adf8262658_040_lo.jpg
This is on a pre-deployment ex.

digrar
02-26-2007, 12:52 AM
Off on a tangent....



The national flag is below the Rising Sun. Must be some RSMs spitting dummies over that breach of D.I.s. (National flag should not be worn underneath other patches).

I was going to say it was a chicken and egg thing, with the biscuit being sewn on there first, but looking at Auzzzies pic, they're velcroed on....

LRPV
02-26-2007, 01:41 AM
I was going to say it was a chicken and egg thing, with the biscuit being sewn on there first, but looking at Auzzzies pic, they're velcroed on....

Frankly Digrar, the entire thing is BS of the first order. I am a proud choc but I fail to see why the biscuit is necessary on a camouflage uniform.

As the ADF becomes involved in overseas flirtations I can understand the flag. But please explain to this nong why I need a flag to wander around barracks here in Australia? :cantbeli:

As for velcro...the older pattern DPCU does not have velcro. The flag issued for that was sewn on. Below the biscuit. Moot point now as chocs that don't have new pattern DPCU are due to swap uniforms now.

The suggestion I have heard is for the biscuit to change arms as the flag must not be worn 'backwards'. ie Union Jack orientation correct.

ShotOver
02-26-2007, 01:53 AM
Hrm, I don't think I will need that flag. I have one permanently "stitched" on in the same place and style.
:oops:
I blame James Squire Pilsner.

ArmyJonHall
02-26-2007, 02:12 AM
As the ADF becomes involved in overseas flirtations I can understand the flag. But please explain to this nong why I need a flag to wander around barracks here in Australia?

As for velcro...the older pattern DPCU does not have velcro. The flag issued for that was sewn on. Below the biscuit. Moot point now as chocs that don't have new pattern DPCU are due to swap uniforms now.
Well the flags aren't compulsary right now. If you have them you can wear them, but at the moment theres no standing order stating you HAVE to wear the flag. I can assure you the first thing I take off my DPCUs when I go out field is the flag.

And who the hell was sewing flags under the biscuit on the old uniform? I'm pretty sure thats against ASOD's.

Opening Batsman
02-26-2007, 02:23 AM
Is it just me or are those bright blue things on your arms not very circumspect? Is there a camo version of the flag, if you get what I mean?

ShotOver
02-26-2007, 02:26 AM
SORD Sells some for trips to Iraq, with AUSTRALIA written in Arabic.

ArmyJonHall
02-26-2007, 02:26 AM
You can get subdued versions from SORD and places like that, but I haven't seen any subdued ones on general issue yet.

LRPV
02-26-2007, 02:41 AM
Well the flags aren't compulsary right now. If you have them you can wear them, but at the moment theres no standing order stating you HAVE to wear the flag. I can assure you the first thing I take off my DPCUs when I go out field is the flag.

And who the hell was sewing flags under the biscuit on the old uniform? I'm pretty sure thats against ASOD's.

No-one is being directed to wear the flag. Yet. No-one is wearing the flag in a tactical environment. As stated, it is barracks BS. The velcro set I was given was palmed off to a medic that wanted wally factor:roll: .

As for ASODs (Army Standard Orders for Dress for the benefit of non-Aussies) my understanding is that these issues are being considered.

Are you aware the wally factor goes further? The new pattern DPCUs have velcro both sides....yep...you guessed it. Why have blank velcro ? :cantbeli:

I have seen one regiments proposed sleeve patch....

ArmyJonHall
02-26-2007, 02:44 AM
Are you aware the wally factor goes further? The new pattern DPCUs have velcro both sides....yep...you guessed it. Why have blank velcro ? :cantbeli:

I have seen one regiments proposed sleeve patch....
The velcro patch on the right arm usually has the ops patch on it. It replaces the brassard that used to be worn on the left arm. For instance, the first AMTG contingent wore this on their right arm-
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/cloth/amtg1.jpg

Also MP and RP patches have started coming out.

Opening Batsman
02-26-2007, 02:48 AM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/Auzzzie/CQC%20Drills%20in%20Timor/20070209adf8246638_024_lo.jpg

LRPV
02-26-2007, 02:49 AM
The velcro patch on the right arm usually has the ops patch on it. It replaces the brassard that used to be worn on the left arm. For instance, the first AMTG contingent wore this on their right arm-


Also MP and RP patches have started coming out.

And medic crosses.

I wasn't referring to operations patches. ergo why I called it wally factor.

tboy01
02-26-2007, 02:51 AM
The velcro patch on the right arm usually has the ops patch on it. It replaces the brassard that used to be worn on the left arm. For instance, the first AMTG contingent wore this on their right arm-
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/cloth/amtg1.jpg

Also MP and RP patches have started coming out.

WHo in the world would want to tell everyone they are an RP or MP???:roll:

ShotOver
02-26-2007, 02:51 AM
Anyone hear the buzz about battalion patches? Had a bloke say they were being considered. I called bull**** though.

LRPV
02-26-2007, 02:52 AM
Is it just me or are those bright blue things on your arms not very circumspect? Is there a camo version of the flag, if you get what I mean?

Circumspect? If I read you correctly, the issue is that cammies are both "Dress of the day" (working dress) and a tactical uniform. You wouldn't wear the blue flag on DPCU background in the weeds.

LRPV
02-26-2007, 02:53 AM
Anyone hear the buzz about battalion patches? Had a bloke say they were being considered. I called bull**** though.

Did you read post #35?

ArmyJonHall
02-26-2007, 02:53 AM
And medic crosses.

I wasn't referring to operations patches. ergo why I called it wally factor.
Err... righto, I'm a little confused as to what you're trying to say here. Are you saying we need to get rid of the velcro patches because they 1) look 'wally' or 2) are useless?

ShotOver
02-26-2007, 02:55 AM
Did you read post #35?

Yeah sorry mate, I read "Regiment", not Battalion.

LRPV
02-26-2007, 03:03 AM
Err... righto, I'm a little confused as to what you're trying to say here. Are you saying we need to get rid of the velcro patches because they 1) look 'wally' or 2) are useless?

If I was unclear...my bad. The velcro has its uses, I guess. I can certainly see the benefit of the Aussie flag flying in a multi-national environment. I have not served in the ADF overseas so I'll leave velcro on that issue to those that know what they are on about.

My unit is not going anywhere overseas (as a unit). What I am questioning and in fact *****ing about is the increasing prevalence of barracks wallys wandering about with flags on their arms. Why? Do they need to be reminded where they are? Just more bling.

However it now appears that the powers to be have designed unit patches for the upper sleeve velcro. These have nothing to do with operations or signalling identity to friendly coalition troops.

Not sure if that is any clearer...if not I'll hammer the keyboard again.

XIE
02-26-2007, 05:54 AM
I have heard some strong rumours that the old system of unit flashes will be placed onto the right side. Look at all the WW1/2 photos and you see each unit had the rising sun on the left and individual unit patch on the right. I reckon bring it back on. More distictive and cant hurt to develop a bit of esprit de corps.

Cheky
02-26-2007, 06:04 AM
I have heard some strong rumours that the old system of unit flashes will be placed onto the right side. Look at all the WW1/2 photos and you see each unit had the rising sun on the left and individual unit patch on the right. I reckon bring it back on. More distictive and cant hurt to develop a bit of esprit de corps.

colour patches and crops badges does that, i dont think its really need on the dpcu.

digrar
02-26-2007, 06:11 AM
I was thinking that the colour patch does the job already.

XIE
02-26-2007, 06:24 AM
When the hat is off......it is a touch of nostalgia and I can see some good uses for it in a barracks environment and even possibly/more so in a field environment.

Cheky
02-26-2007, 06:29 AM
When the hat is off......it is a touch of nostalgia and I can see some good uses for it in a barracks environment and even possibly/more so in a field environment.


dont really need it there as well, you can sorta tell what crops you are in while you are out field (a big ****in howitzer gives it away for me:) ), but we try not to distinguish ourselves on the battlefield to deny the enemy information of our forces, something like not saluting, sigs and engineers are still prime targets for snipers and such.

velvet-cream
02-26-2007, 10:14 AM
dont really need it there as well, you can sorta tell what crops you are in while you are out field (a big ****in howitzer gives it away for me:) ), but we try not to distinguish ourselves on the battlefield to deny the enemy information of our forces, something like not saluting, sigs and engineers are still prime targets for snipers and such.

My thoughts exactly. I think it would be giving the enemy freebie intelligence about friendly formations and tactics. Assuming the enemy finds a dead aussie soldier in DPCU, it doesn't tell them a terrible lot. But a dead soldier with a unit patch (especially from a more specialised unit/corps) tells a lot more. And what if the enemy, (knowing that we normally wear unit patches) captures a soldier without one? That soldier will have a hard time in interogation trying to deny they are from SF or Int.

And if you're in the same army, you should be able to tell which corp they are from their equipment. And in the field who really cares? (we are part of the same army. Leave the corp rivalry on the parade ground or the boozer. In the end, everyone in the army has an important job to do).
Besides it's just another thing for the soldier to worry about losing, and you can't hoochie cord the patches.

The only patch that I think will be relevant, are for the specialists who need to be immediately identified, such as medics etc.

In barracks, I won't have a problem with unit patches. Then again, we have appropriate headress to distinguish ourselves anyway.

Like other people on this forum have mentioned, we don't need to be reminded which country we are serving. As far as I know, other than paintballers, no other country wears DPCU. So we don't really need that flag, cause any military minded person who can identify DPCU will know we are Australian.

As for wearing the flag overseas, I can understand having it whilst serving in a multinational security operation such as Iraq, Timor Leste etc. But if I was sent to a conventional war, I doubt the flag would stay on my arm for long.

goose36
02-26-2007, 04:59 PM
the best patch for the velco is blood group, yeh the flag looks cool but who cares, we had to wear the aus flag then some timor/aus thing last year then we all got blood group.

kamarian
02-26-2007, 05:50 PM
Hrm, I don't think I will need that flag. I have one permanently "stitched" on in the same place and style.
:oops:
I blame James Squire Pilsner.

you can blame James Squire for alot of things!


Did the gold AIRN for 5 years of continuous AIRN compliance ever get up?

Yes. I have seen a few of the brass wearing them, but not sure about the rest of the guysa and girls. will have to keep a close eye out on ANZAC day.

XIE
02-26-2007, 06:06 PM
I think unit patches/other required info on the right arm velcro square is a good thing and definately cant hurt.

Cheky
02-26-2007, 06:22 PM
the best patch for the velco is blood group, yeh the flag looks cool but who cares, we had to wear the aus flag then some timor/aus thing last year then we all got blood group.

yes flag on the left arm, ops on the right but blood group??? so what happend to your dog tags?

digrar
02-26-2007, 07:15 PM
Why have your blood group on two seperate items, so the medics can ignore it twice?

tboy01
02-26-2007, 08:19 PM
Why have your blood group on two seperate items, so the medics can ignore it twice?

Because thats the "in" thing Dig!! YOu know monkey see, monkey do..

ShotOver
02-26-2007, 08:34 PM
Reading my Vietnam book at the moment (Delta Four) and those blokes went out in the scrub with nothing, plain green uniform, no biscuit, no flag, nothing. Everyone knew who they were because of how they acted and what Area of Operations they had been designated to.
Old school and got the job done.

Cheky
02-26-2007, 09:16 PM
its the gucci factor, looking good is half the battle

S70A_9
02-26-2007, 09:25 PM
A readyness badge, you wear it when your medical, dental, PFA and weapon Quals are all upto scratch. I guess it saves people looking through your PmKeys.

Don't forget job qualified... plenty of blokes who change corps and go back to training are told to remove the AIRN badge. "You're fit, healthy, rifle qualified, AND competent at something but take it off, you can't wear that here."

:|

ShotOver
02-26-2007, 09:35 PM
its the gucci factor, looking good is half the battle

Yeah pretty much it, was starting to look like Boy Scouts before I left, with the amount of badges on everyones coveralls.


Don't forget job qualified... plenty of blokes who change corps and go back to training are told to remove the AIRN badge. "You're fit, healthy, rifle qualified, AND competent at something but take it off, you can't wear that here."

:|

Is that only for when you are under training after a Corps Transfer?

digrar
02-26-2007, 09:42 PM
Is the AIRN being worn in barracks on DPCUs again? :|

ArmyJonHall
02-26-2007, 10:31 PM
Is the AIRN being worn in barracks on DPCUs again? :|
No, absolutely not.

LRPV
02-26-2007, 11:51 PM
Yes. I have seen a few of the brass wearing them, but not sure about the rest of the guysa and girls. will have to keep a close eye out on ANZAC day.

I stand corrected. I'm buggered if I've seen one.

XIE
02-27-2007, 01:32 AM
All those that are not deploable are unable to wear the AIRN. All those capable to be deployed can wear the AIRN. It should be a case of.....look - he doesnt have AIRN....rather than oohh look he does. It is like the rising sun on your slouch.....everyone should have it!

LRPV
02-27-2007, 02:27 AM
All those that are not deploable are unable to wear the AIRN. All those capable to be deployed can wear the AIRN. It should be a case of.....look - he doesnt have AIRN....rather than oohh look he does. It is like the rising sun on your slouch.....everyone should have it!

Exactly. The damn thing is useless bling.

XIE
02-27-2007, 05:41 AM
I dont think it is useless, more of a standard accoutrement like your corps badge, lanyard, rank insignia....I wouldn't call it useless....

LRPV
02-27-2007, 09:46 PM
I dont think it is useless, more of a standard accoutrement like your corps badge, lanyard, rank insignia....I would call it useless....

^ I take it that was a typo... Each to his own mate. Rank and unit badging have obvious reasons for being. I just have difficulty accepting the need for a badge to indicate someone is only minimally fit for work. What next? A little steering wheel for drivers? Crossed paddles for WOPS?
Must be something about old dogs and new tricks.
The clothing store is sending off a message for me, WTF is a gold AIRN? None in stock and none in memory. It's got me curious, so if you are interested I'll post the answer.

goose36
02-28-2007, 07:50 AM
yes flag on the left arm, ops on the right but blood group??? so what happend to your dog tags?


these days your dog tags are under that much crap[ shirt, armour, chest rig etc] that it takes too long to find, a simple patch on your shoulder or on your rig somwhere does the job. it's our SOP to put a FAD in our left shoulder pocket so everyone knows, not in some random pouch that isn't marked, so the patch works good there.

LRPV
03-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Finally got a useable/quotable answser. The gold AIRN is no longer issued. Is was to signify 5 years of consecutive AIRN compliance but was dropped.

Opening Batsman
03-07-2007, 08:08 AM
http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1161/images/09%20-%20MIB%20copy.jpg
MILITARY instructors may now be qualified to receive one of several new awards.

Awards include instructor patches for Assistant Instructors, Bronze Military Instructor Badges (MIB) for Instructors and Qualified Assessors (pictured) and Silver MIBs for Training Supervisors.

Former RSM Training Command-Army WO1 Darryl Kelly said these awards would promote instructors to strive for excellence.

“This is great recognition for instructors and it challenges all those entrusted with training Army’s greatest asset – soldiers and officers,” he said.

For more information visit http://intranet.defence.gov.au/armyweb/Sites/TCA/.

digrar
03-07-2007, 08:56 AM
FFS who is the RSM Army at the moment?

ShotOver
03-07-2007, 09:02 AM
Instructors at Cerberus wear badges like that, to show they are qualified RI's..

More bling anyone?

digrar
03-07-2007, 09:25 AM
Army Recruit instructors have a badge too, this appears to be a variation on the theme.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7078/recruitinstdz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

They probably have ARTC or some other noob acronym on them now....

Sparticus76
03-07-2007, 08:08 PM
AIRN is simply part of the Polly uniform, if the RSM has to talk to you about your readiness when you lack one, then your immediate superiors are not doing their jobs.
As for the flags etcetera on the shoulders, it's just the way the uniforms are now and yes it's all worn outside the wire unless otherwise ordered to sanitize on leaving.
Which kinda brings me to the ACB and ICB. You're illegible for these if you've simply been outside the wire in a dangerous zone instead of what I think a combat badge should be issued for, which is...if you've been in combat. I believe the German combat badges of WW2 were awarded after something crazy like 20 combat missions or something, now that gives credibility to the badge. Whats happening now I believe, just detracts from its credibility for those who receive it and have been in combat when Joe Blogs gets it for simply leaving the front gate.

LRPV
03-07-2007, 08:17 PM
This situation is getting beyond a joke. No it is beyond a joke. Back in the 80s when I was an ADGie we used to laugh at the yank marines, young 20 somethings with two rows of ribbons and enough medallions to embarrass a soviet general. Now we are going down the same track. Leave the bling for the hollywoods and leave uniforms for rank, unit designations and awards that were earnt and thus showing the wearer is someone worthy of respect.